Saint-Armstrong Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 ...of all people: http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/8645/38/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyp Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 why we accepted him as part of the deal i just dont no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MongoNeil Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 You would think he would take the hint, I just guess some people out there are happy to sit on their backsides and collect their pay-check. I think it's disgraceful, surely his friends and family must think it's a bit strange how he hasn't made a first team appearance...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 It's a bit lenient, he's the worst keeper I've ever seen who gets paid. How many times have you've seen him play? I've never seen him play once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 You would think he would take the hint, I just guess some people out there are happy to sit on their backsides and collect their pay-check. I think it's disgraceful, surely his friends and family must think it's a bit strange how he hasn't made a first team appearance...? Take the hint and do what? Rip up his contract? Of course he's going to keep doing what he's doing with us. As little opportunity as he's getting with us, his biggest chance of staying in professional employment beyond this contract is to have the status of being affiliated with us; it may hold some sway with a lower league club. He proved he wasn't even good enough for the non-league sides he went on loan to, so there's every possibility that when he leaves us it will be his last pro contract in the game, and he'll have to retrain and find something else to do. If I were him I'd absolutely take the money while I could, he'd be a complete idiot not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 How many times have you've seen him play? I've never seen him play once... 6 .....I am with Adrian and I saw Dave McLaren play and he was sh1te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Putting aside the customary slating of Tommy, it is quite interesting I think, that someone who was on the books at Spurs, and therefore, in theory, did something to be noticed and offered a contract there, should actually supposedly be so bad that his only appearances in FOUR years are a few games at Grimsby. Even the likes of Darryl Flahavan and Scott Bevan have gone on to respectable lower league careers, and our long-term Number 13, Neil Moss, was still plenty good enough to go back to Bournemouth. Frankly, if I was him, I'd be embarrassed by it all. But then I have scruples. He clearly doesn't, whilst taking his money and doing sweet F.A. for it in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 It's a bit lenient, he's the worst keeper I've ever seen who gets paid. When have you seen him play Adrian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blandford saint Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I've seen him play against Salisbury City - didn't stand out, even at that level! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Pompey are in need of a goalkeeper... it really is a perfect match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 He's our Tal Ben Haim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 He's our Tal Ben Haim Except he aint on anything between £36-£50k a week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 He's certainly in our: he came, he signed, he never really played XI alongside such greats as Sammy Lee, Kleber Chala, Imants Bleidelis, Marcelo Tejera, Federico Arias and Marcelo Sarmiento. Actually, it would be interesting to finish off that XI, if anyone's got any others to add? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 He's certainly in our: he came' date=' he signed, he never really played XI alongside such greats as Sammy Lee, Kleber Chala, Imants Bleidelis, Marcelo Tejera, Federico Arias and Marcelo Sarmiento. Actually, it would be interesting to finish off that XI, if anyone's got any others to add?[/quote'] Antony Pulis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Antony Pulis. Ah yes, how could I have overlooked that footballing great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Putting aside the customary slating of Tommy, it is quite interesting I think, that someone who was on the books at Spurs, and therefore, in theory, did something to be noticed and offered a contract there, should actually supposedly be so bad that his only appearances in FOUR years are a few games at Grimsby. Even the likes of Darryl Flahavan and Scott Bevan have gone on to respectable lower league careers, and our long-term Number 13, Neil Moss, was still plenty good enough to go back to Bournemouth. Frankly, if I was him, I'd be embarrassed by it all. But then I have scruples. He clearly doesn't, whilst taking his money and doing sweet F.A. for it in return. Presumably he shows up for training, so he isnt doing sweet fa for his wages, just missing 90 minutes on a saturday. He has a contract with the club which presumably they weren't forced into, if they dont want to use him but cant find anyone to buy him he is entitled to draw the wages agreed until that contract expires. Puncheon said as much a while ago, and he's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I think by now, he'd realise that the pro game isn't going to be for him. Having said that, most pro and semi pros have very big egos, and very often dont see what everyone else can about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I'm trying to recall how many times he's played for us. Like Blandford Saint, I saw him against Salisbury about 4 years back. Did he play against Totton too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I think by now, he'd realise that the pro game isn't going to be for him. Having said that, most pro and semi pros have very big egos, and very often dont see what everyone else can about them. You are so right about semi-pros. I was in that game years ago, and a more conceited bunch you couldn't wish to meet. And they weren't that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 (edited) I know someone who works in a non playing staff role at SMS, they say he is the rudest most up themselves person involved in the club, all the other players are very nice and polite and see them as a work colleague. Forecast sees them as........... Well he doesn't ! Spurs must have been rolling about on the floor when they off loaded him, his agent must rub his hands together giggling whenever his percentage comes through and Tommy must cry his eyes out laughing for hours everytime he opens his pay packet............................. Probably him and Puncheon alternate visits to each others homes on payday just in case one or the others sides split!!! Still nowhere near the Ali Dia fiasco where a supposed Senegalese International actually came on as a sub for probably the most famous player in our history.............. Still we got shot of him quick smart though! Edited 6 June, 2012 by John Boy Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I'm trying to recall how many times he's played for us. Like Blandford Saint, I saw him against Salisbury about 4 years back. Did he play against Totton too? I am trying to think if it is 6 games I have seen him, he deffo made at least 3-4 reserve games ast Staplewood then the Eastleigh game. His kicking is poor, his positional sense is shocking, he gets beaten from distance too easily on the ground and air. He cant deal with crosses into the box - apart from that he is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 The really sad thing that he was part of the pay off to cancel the add ons and sell on fee for Gareth Bale. That means he was bloody expensive as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Presumably he shows up for training, so he isnt doing sweet fa for his wages, just missing 90 minutes on a saturday. He has a contract with the club which presumably they weren't forced into, if they dont want to use him but cant find anyone to buy him he is entitled to draw the wages agreed until that contract expires. Puncheon said as much a while ago, and he's right. I know, i wasn't being literal, but the point still stands. Contracts are contracts but as a human being with a conscience, I couldn't do that. Maybe it's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 You would think he would take the hint, I just guess some people out there are happy to sit on their backsides and collect their pay-check. I think it's disgraceful, surely his friends and family must think it's a bit strange how he hasn't made a first team appearance...? Surely we could have got him on the "Trade Description Act" I mean a Goalkeeper he aint .............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 The only reason I can possibly imagine he stays on he he realises once his contract is up he will never get a contract anywhere else. He just know he's not that good. I'd imagine for a professional footballer to not play a game regularly must be pretty deflating so I'd imagine he's not enjoying his job. He also must know he is not any good at his job and again anyone in that position usually takes steps to change either their employer or what they do. He gets no sympathy from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamSFC Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Antony Pulis. Apparently he now plays for 'Orlando City' in the American third division... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I know, i wasn't being literal, but the point still stands. Contracts are contracts but as a human being with a conscience, I couldn't do that. Maybe it's just me. I happen to agree with you in principle minty, but if I was actually in that situation I might change my mind. He's probably getting more in a month than I make in a year, that might alter my perception of things especially if my current employer was the only avenue of gainful employment open to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 He's certainly in our: he came' date=' he signed, he never really played XI alongside such greats as Sammy Lee, Kleber Chala, Imants Bleidelis, Marcelo Tejera, Federico Arias and Marcelo Sarmiento. Actually, it would be interesting to finish off that XI, if anyone's got any others to add?[/quote'] Alledine Yahia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 My friend wrote that article. He's been doing quite a few bits and bobs for WSC lately. I've seen Forcast play a couple of times and he is indeed completely terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelat17 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Anyone signed up to comment on the WSC site and give a little more details as to how he ended up with us etc - two comments on their already which need to be "answered" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I have seen him play twice each time he let in four, hence the name Tommy Fourpast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I know, i wasn't being literal, but the point still stands. Contracts are contracts but as a human being with a conscience, I couldn't do that. Maybe it's just me. Meh. I'd do it. Pay me a stupid amount of money to do not a lot for four years and I'd be all over it. Especially as a few years down the line when it becomes apparent that you probably don't have much of a career (Occasional hope at the start of each loan deal aside) in this and certainly won't get it as good again, I'd milk it for all I can. Can only hope from a human to human point of view, that he's saved some of the wedge he's on for his obvious decline which will happen when his contract runs out. The story of Michael Johnson is one which is awful to hear about and I fear from the stories of him being out on the smash on a regular basis that he probably hasn't saved some money. I think the slagging off is a bit harsh. Especially from a purely football basis. Bear in mind, that he was on the books at Spurs (Even made there bench occasionally IIRC?) and seemed to have a good little future in the game. We as a club probably see something in him and take a gamble like any signing of a young player is. He's offered a 4 year contract at a club that is in the division below and probably see's a chance to work his way into the team and carry on a seemingly promising career. For me I'd be really interested to know what happened at this point. Nobody knows, so I feel calling Lowe all sorts of names for agreeing to the deal is harsh, as on the face of it, the lad had some ability. We don't know what Forecasts attitude was at this point so I feel slagging him off is also harsh. Did he make a conscious decision to be a bit of an douche and not bother working at his career or is he just a tragic case of someone losing their way in a harsh world and now people are treating him as a lost cause? Has he ever had someone sit down with him and work with him and see where his career has gone wrong? Are the coaches to blame for not getting the best out of him? Would be interesting to hear from him when he does leave. It might give us a little insight into what has happened over the years, although his story would clearly be one sided. It's an interesting subject for me. The mindset of a footballer who must come to soon realise he's a bit out of his depth. The same with Pulis. Bear in mind that when the deal was signed by each of these lads, they thought they were embarking on a promising footballing career and this was an ideal opportunity for them both. Do they realise along the way that it's going wrong? Or is it a shock for them when they get released? They wouldn't look it their lives as objectively as we do. Aside from all that, I really do feel that if this signing was not part of the Bale deal, nobody would give a hoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 who was the chief scout at the time we brought him in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Ahhhh my favourite player to slag off. I do enjoy these threads far too much. mainly because he's a tosser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 who was the chief scout at the time we brought him in? Rupert Lowe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 He's certainly in our: he came' date=' he signed, he never really played XI alongside such greats as Sammy Lee, Kleber Chala, Imants Bleidelis, Marcelo Tejera, Federico Arias and Marcelo Sarmiento. Actually, it would be interesting to finish off that XI, if anyone's got any others to add?[/quote'] Suppose Ali Dia does not qualify as he at least played in the 1st team for a few minutes. We could add Iago Falque if a 45 minute appearance does not disbar him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Presumably he shows up for training, so he isnt doing sweet fa for his wages, just missing 90 minutes on a saturday. He has a contract with the club which presumably they weren't forced into, if they dont want to use him but cant find anyone to buy him he is entitled to draw the wages agreed until that contract expires. Puncheon said as much a while ago, and he's right. Of course he is entitled to be paid as per his contract. However that doesn't stop the Club paying off his contract in full (in other words giving him a years notice). The current management of SFC had no say in his contract, it was set up by a predecessor, but they do have the power to do something about terminating it. I really can't see the logic of not paying him off now and giving him the opportunity to find himself a club. Something still smells a bit fishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Of course he is entitled to be paid as per his contract. However that doesn't stop the Club paying off his contract in full (in other words giving him a years notice). The current management of SFC had no say in his contract, it was set up by a predecessor, but they do have the power to do something about terminating it. I really can't see the logic of not paying him off now and giving him the opportunity to find himself a club. Something still smells a bit fishy. If they pay him off they have to pay the remainder of his contract all off up front. From a cash flow point of view they can kepp him on the books and spread his payments over the full year. Also, there is still a small chance that we could loan him out to another club, and if not get full payment of his wages at least a part payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 who was the chief scout at the time we brought him in? The bloke from Blue Peter I believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 who was the chief scout at the time we brought him in? Stevie Wonder?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 If they pay him off they have to pay the remainder of his contract all off up front. From a cash flow point of view they can kepp him on the books and spread his payments over the full year. Also, there is still a small chance that we could loan him out to another club, and if not get full payment of his wages at least a part payment. I raelise that. Do you honestly think cash flow is a serious concern? I suspect we have little or no payment from any of the clubs that we have loaned him out to, Bromley, Eastbourne Borough, very much doubt they contributed significantly to his wages, we may have even paid them since the benefit for us was surely for him to gain some experience. No, there is no logical reason for not paying him off, but I suspect there is an illogical one. Still I guess we need someone to put out the cones at Staplewood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I have to say if I was getting paid to play football and was completely bloody rubbish I'd happily pocket the cash for as long as someone was prepared to pay me. That's what contracts are about. I thought the Winston Bogarde reference was quite funny, though at least he was a good footballer once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Suppose Ali Dia does not qualify as he at least played in the 1st team for a few minutes. We could add Iago Falque if a 45 minute appearance does not disbar him. Ah, the wonderboy Ali Dia. If only Gateshead hadn't poached him off us....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Never heard such bo ll ocks. I suspect the majority would be quite adept at sitting on their arses in a job if they were offered a few grand a week and their bosses were negligent enough to not check up on them. It's only the fact TF is in the public eye that there is a problem. Saying that, can't wait to get shot of him and hopefully put an end to the list of atrocious signings made by the club down the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 why we accepted him as part of the deal i just dont no! Well, you do know. Cos that idiot Lowe was the biggest moron to walk the earth yet had such arrogance, he thought he knew better or could learn more in 5mins than lifelong servants to the sport. What a tosser and waste of good money when you consider who the transfer fee was for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Blimey - if i was Forecast I'd be working seriously hard to ram the words of WSC and all you lot right back down your throats. if ever a bloke needed motivation, it's here in spades. Good luck Tommy. FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Blimey - if i was Forecast I'd be working seriously hard to ram the words of WSC and all you lot right back down your throats. if ever a bloke needed motivation, it's here in spades. Good luck Tommy. FFS. Well, we have a season ahead of us to see if he does just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Never heard such bo ll ocks. I suspect the majority would be quite adept at sitting on their arses in a job if they were offered a few grand a week and their bosses were negligent enough to not check up on them. Speak for yourself. It's things like this that contribute to the state the country is in... I accept that human nature means there are plenty of people who *would* do it, which wouldn't be such a problem if many of the same people weren't so quick to try and nab freebies, get stuff for nothing and moan about money saving measures, pay freezes, redundancies etc, etc. Just a question of personal morals I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Blimey - if i was Forecast I'd be working seriously hard to ram the words of WSC and all you lot right back down your throats. if ever a bloke needed motivation, it's here in spades. Good luck Tommy. FFS.you his uncle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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