Echo Article - Lee Holmes

[AussieDog]

I remember NC when he arrived when we were bottom of league 1, all big talk and spin.

 

Reality check time chaps he is full of it, what's he achieved in 3 seasons? (apart from winning a trophy at Wembley and two promotions)

 

 

 

A bit of a failure when you look back - not good enough to win L1 or the Championship and couldn't even get to the final of a mickey mouse cup without the lottery of penalty shoot-outs along the way FFS.....Cortese out!

[This Charming Man]

I think many people overlook where Man City were fairly recently. People would have laughed if you said they would win the PL in 2012 back in 1998. Chelsea have only become a major force since Abramovich took over, they were nearly always a mid-table side before that. Newcastle have had one good season (definitely no fluke), but it will be a real test of Pardew to repeat that next season when their squad is stretched due to the Europa Noddy League. Only Manure and Arse have been consistent top performers for the last 20 years. Spuds have hardly been top 6 until Redkrapp took over, if he goes (which is looking more likely) expect their fortunes to decline again (though it hurts me to say it). Things change. Look at Blackburn, even Forest and Derby, Villa are rubbish at the moment. It doesn't usually happen overnight, there is nothing wrong with ambition, I don't see us winning the PL in the foreseeable future, but nothing to say we could not sneak into the top 4 occassionally in a few years, Europa League is a definite possibility, although that really can be a double-edged sword, smaller clubs definitely struggle to maintain Europa and PL competitiveness.

 

I think you've over-looked the amount of money they've spent in doing that and it's still taken them 4 years to do it.

 

We're going to do similar in 5 years apparently but without spending any money.

[Turkish]

Seems self evident to me, Puncheon is a bit of a tosser, Holmes isn't. What has Puncheon said anyway since his return to the fold, clearly even he could see that things were actually pretty good at Saints. Anyway, I don't see what Holmes has said that is so unreasonable. He says he sees a bright future for the Club and people think he is mad. Really don't see that him being a practcing Christian has anything to do with it, did Ian Paisley always (ever) say nice things?

 

That's the point, Holmes is a nice fella, he's going to say nice things. However, Holmes comments are lauded with "wow, look what he's saying, isn't life at SFC so great" and gospel, whereas a different view from Puncheon was greeted with "the blokes a tosser" Surely they both have the same inside info, so why is one view, ironically the one everyone wants to believe greeted with slaps on the backs and the other, the one not so popular greeted with howls of derision?

 

And you're right. Amidst all the celebration that a nice ex player leaving the club makes nice comments shocker, People have actually lost sight of what he did say. It is nothing like the "Saints are definitely going to the champions league" MLG and the Intellient posters type translation of it. More what those of us stuck with a Dell sized midset have been saying. That we can build and establish ourselves as a top half club and have a go at the Europa league as some point.

[Verbal]

WTF is a Dell sized midset? New bling from an admirer?

[capitalsaint]

That's the point, Holmes is a nice fella, he's going to say nice things. However, Holmes comments are lauded with "wow, look what he's saying, isn't life at SFC so great" and gospel, whereas a different view from Puncheon was greeted with "the blokes a tosser" Surely they both have the same inside info, so why is one view, ironically the one everyone wants to believe greeted with slaps on the backs and the other, the one not so popular greeted with howls of derision?

 

Probably for the same reason that fans swear blind that 50-50 tackle was definitely a penalty, the opposition's goal was miles offside or that their local rivals are all inbred.

 

Fans are biased towards their own team so will tend to listen to something which supports that bias rather than denies it. Whether you agree with them or not, you must surely see that.

[Turkish]

WTF is a Dell sized midset? New bling from an admirer?

 

Welcome back Verbal.

 

A Dell sized midset is anyone that dares to suggest that it's highly unlikely we are going to be the new Barcelona and dominate Europe in our 50k stadium with a team full of academy graduates.

[Turkish]

Probably for the same reason that fans swear blind that 50-50 tackle was definitely a penalty, the opposition's goal was miles offside or that their local rivals are all inbred.

 

Fans are biased towards their own team so will tend to listen to something which supports that bias rather than denies it. Whether you agree with them or not, you must surely see that.

 

Course i can see. It's amusing though, no? In the same way that any postive media article is a great piece of journalism and any remotely negative articles are lies made up by lazy journalist scumbags with an anti Saints agenda.

[VectisSaint]

That's the point, Holmes is a nice fella, he's going to say nice things. However, Holmes comments are lauded with "wow, look what he's saying, isn't life at SFC so great" and gospel, whereas a different view from Puncheon was greeted with "the blokes a tosser" Surely they both have the same inside info, so why is one view, ironically the one everyone wants to believe greeted with slaps on the backs and the other, the one not so popular greeted with howls of derision?.

Really finding it difficult to see your point. When has Puncheon said anything, let alone anything negative? He got ****ed off because he wasn't included in the plans, but I don't recall him saying anything along the lines of Saints are crap, will be relegated to the Conference and all of Cortese's plans are rubbish. He just threw a hissy and wanted out. Then he saw that actually things are not so bad and wanted back in, only trouble is that he found that he simply was not good enough on a regular basis to be in the team. The guy is a tosser, but no-one that I can see apart from you is comparing anything Holmes said with what Puncheon said. Your argument is a bit pointless and never required the Puncheon mention, you just seem to be arguing for the sake of increasing your post count and continuing to make an arse of yourself.

[aintforever]

What did Puncheon say anyway?

[Turkish]

Really finding it difficult to see your point. When has Puncheon said anything, let alone anything negative? He got ****ed off because he wasn't included in the plans, but I don't recall him saying anything along the lines of Saints are crap, will be relegated to the Conference and all of Cortese's plans are rubbish. He just threw a hissy and wanted out. Then he saw that actually things are not so bad and wanted back in, only trouble is that he found that he simply was not good enough on a regular basis to be in the team. The guy is a tosser, but no-one that I can see apart from you is comparing anything Holmes said with what Puncheon said. Your argument is a bit pointless and never required the Puncheon mention, you just seem to be arguing for the sake of increasing your post count and continuing to make an arse of yourself.

 

Not at all. I just find it amusing everytime there is a postive article about us its hailed a piece of journalistic brilliance or the guy saying it is a top guy and clear evidence we are going to be in the champions league with 5 years. Everytime there is a negative article all journalists are lying scum with an anti Saints agenda or the bloke saying it is a tosser. Apart from the few of us with Dell Sized mentalities no one seems to be able to take most of what is written with a pinch of salt, such as in the case of Holmes, nice guys in saying nice things about former employer shocker. Most of you have missed the point in what he was saying anyway.

[Mowgli]

What did Puncheon say anyway?

 

Not much really. Most of the animosity was in fans minds. There was clearly a bust up behind the scenes. Allegedly with AC. Resulted in him going out on loan and NA indicating he would not play for club again. But attempts by his agent to orchestrate a transfer were thwarted by NC holding out for big fee to get the transfer fee we paid back. Eventually Punch made a derogatory tweet about NC along the lines of 'Nicola is some lil hater KMT'. That brought it all to a head and everyone agreed on a fresh start. Some fans don' really understand what hat means

[aintforever]

Not at all. I just find it amusing everytime there is a postive article about us its hailed a piece of journalistic brilliance or the guy saying it is a top guy and clear evidence we are going to be in the champions league with 5 years. Everytime there is a negative article all journalists are lying scum with an anti Saints agenda or the bloke saying it is a tosser. Apart from the few of us with Dell Sized mentalities no one seems to be able to take most of what is written with a pinch of salt, such as in the case of Holmes, nice guys in saying nice things about former employer shocker. Most of you have missed the point in what he was saying anyway.

 

It's you that has missed the point all along.

 

What Holmes said is pretty much word for word what some on here have said yet mongs like you somehow translated our opinions on the club's future plans and ambitions as our expectations.

[Turkish]

It's you that has missed the point all along.

 

What Holmes said is pretty much word for word what some on here have said yet mongs like you somehow translated our opinions on the club's future plans and ambitions as our expectations.

 

Afraid not dumbass. Read it again. he says we can push for the Europa league in a few years time. Which is exactly what the Dell sized mentality posters such as myself have been saying all along. No where does he mention Chelseas attendances in 1984, Reading expanding or how many season ticket holders Sunderland had in 1995 as concrete evidence to expand St Marys. neither does he say we are on an unstoppable march to the champions league and it's going to happen because they once said man would never climb everest. Which is word for word what some on here have said, the self titled intellegent posters nonetheless. Come on dumbass, wrong again, you need to raise your game sushine.

[aintforever]

Afraid not dumbass. Read it again. he says we can push for the Europa league in a few years time. Which is exactly what the Dell sized mentality posters such as myself have been saying all along. No where does he mention Chelseas attendances in 1984, Reading expanding or how many season ticket holders Sunderland had in 1995 as concrete evidence to expand St Marys. neither does he say we are on an unstoppable march to the champions league and it's going to happen because they once said man would never climb everest. Which is word for word what some on here have said, the self titled intellegent posters nonetheless. Come on dumbass, wrong again, you need to raise your game sushine.

 

Lee Holmes believes Saints will soon become a “force to be reckoned with” in English football.

The winger has backed the club to continue their incredible rise up the divisions and eventually challenge towards the top of the Premier League.

Holmes, who was released this summer, reckons that within five years Saints could be competing for a European spot, and possibly even a Champions League place.

“The club is only going to go onwards and upwards,” said the 25-year-old, who this week agreed a two-year deal with League One side Preston.

 

“There’s a passion behind the scenes that means they won’t stop until they achieve what they want.

“There is going to be a time where Southampton will be a force to be reckoned with in English football.

“In the next five years, I expect them to be right up there with the best of them.”

So, is European football a possibility in that timeframe?

Holmes certainly thinks so.

“You look at the passion and backing behind the club, and the infrastructure involved, and I can’t see why not,” he said.

“Look at the clubs in the Premier League who are all fighting for European spots. I can’t see why Southampton can’t get right up there.

“I’m not saying it will be next season, but definitely in the next few years.”

And what about the pinnacle of European club competition, the Champions League?

“Long term, I think you could only look to strive for that,” said Holmes.

“The long term goals between everyone in the club are that they are looking for the highest achievement in football.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t a plan in place for that to happen in the next five years, or maybe a little bit longer.”

Holmes points to another club that not too long ago dropped out of the Premier League, only to return and start seriously challenging the established top four or five sides.

“Look at Newcastle,” he said.

“They’re a massive club, but it’s only a few years ago that they were down in the Championship, so I think it’s something that could happen for Southampton.”

[Turkish]

Lee Holmes believes Saints will soon become a “force to be reckoned with” in English football.

The winger has backed the club to continue their incredible rise up the divisions and eventually challenge towards the top of the Premier League.

Holmes, who was released this summer, reckons that within five years Saints could be competing for a European spot, and possibly even a Champions League place.

“The club is only going to go onwards and upwards,” said the 25-year-old, who this week agreed a two-year deal with League One side Preston.

 

“There’s a passion behind the scenes that means they won’t stop until they achieve what they want.

“There is going to be a time where Southampton will be a force to be reckoned with in English football.

“In the next five years, I expect them to be right up there with the best of them.”

So, is European football a possibility in that timeframe?

Holmes certainly thinks so.

“You look at the passion and backing behind the club, and the infrastructure involved, and I can’t see why not,” he said.

“Look at the clubs in the Premier League who are all fighting for European spots. I can’t see why Southampton can’t get right up there.

“I’m not saying it will be next season, but definitely in the next few years.”

And what about the pinnacle of European club competition, the Champions League?

“Long term, I think you could only look to strive for that,” said Holmes.

“The long term goals between everyone in the club are that they are looking for the highest achievement in football.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t a plan in place for that to happen in the next five years, or maybe a little bit longer.”

Holmes points to another club that not too long ago dropped out of the Premier League, only to return and start seriously challenging the established top four or five sides.

“Look at Newcastle,” he said.

“They’re a massive club, but it’s only a few years ago that they were down in the Championship, so I think it’s something that could happen for Southampton.”

 

Thanks dumbass, but i've already read it.

 

Where are the bits about abosultely definitely making the champions league and it can happen because they said man would never climb everest? Where are the bits about expanding SMS because Chelsea only got 12k in 1982 and we sold out against Bolton in 2005?

 

Come on think before you post dumbass, think before you post.

[Matthew Le God]

Afraid not dumbass. Read it again. he says we can push for the Europa league in a few years time. Which is exactly what the Dell sized mentality posters such as myself have been saying all along.

 

It seems it is you that needs to read it again. At no point does he use the phrase "push for the Europa League in a few years time".

 

Where as this is what he says when asked about the Champions league...

 

And what about the pinnacle of European club competition, the Champions League?

 

“Long term, I think you could only look to strive for that,” said Holmes.

 

“The long term goals between everyone in the club are that they are looking for the highest achievement in football.

 

“I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t a plan in place for that to happen in the next five years, or maybe a little bit longer.”

 

In any case if that is what you claim to have been saying "all along", then you also think Saints can challenge for the Champions League! There is only one spot given through league placing for the Europa League. If you are fighting for 5th place then you are likely to be in the race for 4th for a significant part of the season. We have a BREAKTHROUGH!

[Matthew Le God]

Thanks dumbass, but i've already read it.

 

Doesn't look like it to me. See my post above.

 

Come on think before you post dumbass, think before you post.

 

Again see my post above.

[Turkish]

It seems it is you that needs to read it again. At no point does he use the phrase "push for the Europa League in a few years time".

 

Where as this is what he says when asked about the Champions league...

 

And what about the pinnacle of European club competition, the Champions League?

 

“Long term, I think you could only look to strive for that,” said Holmes.

 

“The long term goals between everyone in the club are that they are looking for the highest achievement in football.

 

“I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t a plan in place for that to happen in the next five years, or maybe a little bit longer.”

 

In any case if that is what you claim to have been saying "all along", then you also think Saints can challenge for the Champions League! There is only one spot given through league placing for the Europa League. If you are fighting for 5th place then you are likely to be in the race for 4th for a significant part of the season. We have a BREAKTHROUGH!

 

“Long term, I think you could only look to strive for that,” Doesnt say it's definitely going to happen.

 

Look at the clubs in the Premier League who are all fighting for European spots. I can’t see why Southampton can’t get right up there.

“I’m not saying it will be next season, but definitely in the next few years.” -0 Which is exactly what the Dell sized mentality posters have been saying.

 

Deal with it.

[Hamilton Saint]

Rory Delap

Paul Telfer

Jermaine Wright

[Matthew Le God]

I doubt you'll answer any of these, but here goes...

 

“Long term, I think you could only look to strive for that,” Doesnt say it's definitely going to happen.

 

1) He says long term he wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a plan in place for around five years or slightly more. Given he has been at the club the entire time Liebherr/Cortse have been don;t you think he knows more about their intentions than you or I? He has also been released so isn't exactly a club propaganda tool, he is saying so off his own back.

 

Look at the clubs in the Premier League who are all fighting for European spots. I can’t see why Southampton can’t get right up there.

“I’m not saying it will be next season, but definitely in the next few years.” -0 Which is exactly what the Dell sized mentality posters have been saying.

 

2) As I said earlier, fighting for 5th place (the only league place that guarantees a Europa League spot) often mean you are in the race for 4th place and a Champions League spot for the majority of the season. Do you not agree?

 

Deal with it.

 

I will if you answer both questions. But given your track record I don't hold much hope.

Edited 5 June, 2012 by Matthew Le God

[Matthew Le God]

Take this season as an example, only 4 points between the only guaranteed Europa league place through league position and the final Champions League place. Turkish you have just admitted you think Saints can compete for a Europa League place. If they are good enough for that, then they would be far off a Champions League spot. Lee Holmes even makes the comparison with Newcastle himself. You really are digging your own hole here!

[CB Fry]

I doubt you'll answer any of these, but here goes...

 

 

 

1) He says long term he wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a plan in place for around five years or slightly more. Given he has been at the club the entire time Liebherr/Cortse have been don;t you think he knows more about their intentions than you or I? He has also been released so isn't exactly a club propaganda tool, he is saying so off his own back.

 

 

 

2) As I said earlier, fighting for 5th place (the only league place that guarantees a Europa League spot) often mean you are in the race for 4th place and a Champions League spot for the majority of the season. Do you not agree?

 

 

 

I will if you answer both questions. But given your track record I don't hold much hope.

 

 

He says clubs in the Premier League fighting for european spots, not football clubs only fighting for European places that are only achievable through league placings.

 

So all that shi te about you can only get to Europe by fighting for fifth, which actually means fighting for fourth, is bo llock s.

 

Clubs in the premier league fighting for european spot can do so by finishing twelve, or eighth, or fifteeth or even in the relegation spots. It's called getting to the FA cup final or winning the League Cup.

 

See. Pedantic arse aching tedium streched to breaking point to make a pointless point on a webforum. Guess what, it's not just you that can do it.

[CB Fry]

Take this season as an example, only 4 points between the only guaranteed Europa league place through league position and the final Champions League place. Turkish you have just admitted you think Saints can compete for a Europa League place. If they are good enough for that, then they would be far off a Champions League spot. Lee Holmes even makes the comparison with Newcastle himself. You really are digging your own hole here!

 

 

Birmingham got to the Europa league and got relegated you absolute spastic.

[Matthew Le God]

He says clubs in the Premier League fighting for european spots, not football clubs only fighting for European places that are only achievable through league placings.

 

So all that shi te about you can only get to Europe by fighting for fifth, which actually means fighting for fourth, is bo llock s.

 

Clubs in the premier league fighting for european spot can do so by finishing twelve, or eighth, or fifteeth or even in the relegation spots. It's called getting to the FA cup final or winning the League Cup.

 

See. Pedantic arse aching tedium streched to breaking point to make a pointless point on a webforum. Guess what, it's not just you that can do it.

 

If you are trying to "out do" me, at least read the article. Holmes throughout is talking about Saints achieving success through league placing. He even discusses him "not being surprised if the had a plan" for Champions League qualification - something that can't be achieved through reaching cup finals.

 

Birmingham got to the Europa league and got relegated you absolute spastic.

 

I see you yet again return to petty, personal and offensive insults. It really doesn't help your argument in any way or show you in a good light!

Edited 5 June, 2012 by Matthew Le God

[CB Fry]

If you are trying to "out do" me, at least read the article. Holmes throughout is talking about Saints achieving success through league placing. He even discusses him "not being surprised if the had a plan" for Champions League qualification - something that can't be achieved through reaching cup finals.

 

 

 

I see you yet again return to petty personal offensive insults. It really doesn't help your argument in any way or show you in a good light!

 

 

 

I don't need to outdo you.

 

You're a fu c king nutjob.

[Matthew Le God]

I don't need to outdo you.

 

You do when you make a claim that I can easily refute and you have ignored. Respond to my actual points (which you continue not to do) rather than continuing with your usual lack of substance to your debating style and petty insults.

 

You're a fu c king nutjob.

 

Am I the one using petty offensive insults to cover up a lack of debating skills/strength of position?

[dune]

mathew le god matthew le god, sometimes talks sense, but mostly a knob.

[Matthew Le God]

mathew le god matthew le god, sometimes talks sense, but mostly a knob.

 

Swap "mostly" and "sometimes" around and I'll agree with you.

[CB Fry]

You do when you make a claim that I can easily refute and you have ignored. Respond to my actual points (which you continue not to do) rather than continuing with your usual lack of substance to your debating style and petty insults.

 

 

 

Am I the one using petty offensive insults to cover up a lack of debating skills/strength of position?

 

A footballer saying he "would not be surprised" is basically saying he doesn't know.

 

And he doesn't. And you don't.

[Matthew Le God]

A footballer saying he "would not be surprised" is basically saying he doesn't know.

 

And he doesn't. And you don't.

 

1) Has he had personal interaction with the management of the club for the entire time since the takeover?

2) Would he likely to be aware of what the management are saying to players to attract them to the club?

3) Is he in a better position to know the ambitions and resources of the club than you or I?

4) As he has been released and deemed not good enough by the club, is he likely to be spouting the club's propaganda or are these more likely to be his genuine beliefs based on his experiences of Cortese/Liebherr?

Edited 5 June, 2012 by Matthew Le God

[The Kraken]

I don't even understand what's being argued here.

[S-Clarke]

What a boring thread.

[aintforever]

Thanks dumbass, but i've already read it.

 

Where are the bits about abosultely definitely making the champions league and it can happen because they said man would never climb everest? Where are the bits about expanding SMS because Chelsea only got 12k in 1982 and we sold out against Bolton in 2005?

 

Come on think before you post dumbass, think before you post.

 

When have I or anyone on here said we abosultely definitely making the champions league?

 

Holmes has said pretty much word for word what the people you ridicule on here have said. Why do you dell-brains on here think you know better than a proffessional footballer who has spent years at the club?

 

You're a f*cking weirdo.

[Matthew Le God]

Holmes has said pretty much word for word what the people Turkish/CB Fry/Sour Mash like to ridicule have said.

 

Time to break my cover, I am Lee Holmes!

[Greenridge]

Thanks dumbass, but i've already read it.

 

Where are the bits about abosultely definitely making the champions league and it can happen because they said man would never climb everest? Where are the bits about expanding SMS because Chelsea only got 12k in 1982 and we sold out against Bolton in 2005?

 

Come on think before you post dumbass, think before you post.

 

Maybe they'll cover 'debating on an adult level' after the half-term break.

Edited 5 June, 2012 by Greenridge

[CB Fry]

1) Has he had personal interaction with the management of the club for the entire time since the takeover?

2) Would he likely to be aware of what the management are saying to players to attract them to the club?

3) Is he in a better position do know the ambitions and resources of the club than you or I?

4) As he has been released and deemed not good enough by the club, is he likely to be spouting the club's propaganda or are these more likely to be his genuine beliefs based on his experiences of Cortese/Liebherr?

 

Okay, here are my answers.

 

1) The th

[Matthew Le God]

What?