James Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Two things about this latest development: a) There is no way we'd offer 6m for Butland b) If we did there is absolutely no way that Brum would turn it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 NOW THIS... The world has gone nuts It is understood that Southampton are not willing to guarantee Butland first-team football but believe he could challenge current number one Kelvin Davis next season and Saints are prepared to come back with a slightly improved offer. http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/06/28/southampton-set-to-make-improve-bid-for-england-goalkeeper-jack-butland/? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 he is a risk and if he is £6m then !!!! we have seen many young keepers with promise fall from grace. Goalkeepers IMo are at their best later in their careers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 NOW THIS... The world has gone nuts It is understood that Southampton are not willing to guarantee Butland first-team football but believe he could challenge current number one Kelvin Davis next season and Saints are prepared to come back with a slightly improved offer. http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/06/28/southampton-set-to-make-improve-bid-for-england-goalkeeper-jack-butland/? 6 mil for a keeper. Now that would show ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Sounds to me like Brum are saying something just over £6m would do it to try and enduce the top 4 to pay over the odds. Good to see the ambition from Saints though but I don't think it's Butland that we'll buy in the end. As discussed on the other thread, with Bart gone and Forecast probably not even the best keeper on this forum, I'd imagine we'll be buying two keepers anyway, perhaps the 3rd choice one from League 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 NOW THIS... The world has gone nuts It is understood that Southampton are not willing to guarantee Butland first-team football but believe he could challenge current number one Kelvin Davis next season and Saints are prepared to come back with a slightly improved offer. http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/06/28/southampton-set-to-make-improve-bid-for-england-goalkeeper-jack-butland/? Whats gone nuts is people believing a stupid website of made up rubbish...how the hell would they know our plans for goalkeeping more than you or I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Whats gone nuts is people believing a stupid website of made up rubbish...how the hell would they know our plans for goalkeeping more than you or I. Maybe supersonic writes for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 he is a risk and if he is £6m then !!!! we have seen many young keepers with promise fall from grace. Goalkeepers IMo are at their best later in their careers Yeah but Nick. If he was 2million then would he be worth a punt? Because the way that add-ons work is that they only get paid IF the player is successful..... If he is rubbish we don't pay for set number of games, England Call ups CL qualification () etc The press always do this with transfer fees we have no idea of knowing what the true bid was (if any) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Sounds to me like Brum are saying something just over £6m would do it to try and enduce the top 4 to pay over the odds. Good to see the ambition from Saints though but I don't think it's Butland that we'll buy in the end. As discussed on the other thread, with Bart gone and Forecast probably not even the best keeper on this forum, I'd imagine we'll be buying two keepers anyway, perhaps the 3rd choice one from League 2. Why? I really don't understand why people think we need or will be buying two keepers. We only had two credible keepers when Bart was here why do we suddenly need an extra one? Last time we were in the premier league we had two decent keepers in Jones and Niemi, don't forget we had to loan Kasey Keller because they were both injured. It's very rare for both keepers to be injured or suspended at the same time and goalkeepers generally get injured, suspended or need a rest less than outfield players anyway. Are we really going to sign a keeper who won't even make the bench most of the time and what sort of keeper do you think we'll get who will settle for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 I don't believe we have bid £6m for him. Even if we have, it won't be £6m up front will it? It will be something like £1.5m up front, with the rest dependent upon appearances for Saints, international caps and Saints' achievements (E.g staying up) If the deal is structured in such a way, Butland would basically have to usurp Joe Hart as England's number 1 for the deal to cost Saints the full £6m (which if it happened, will mean that Butland is a great deal for us). We're not spending £6m up front on a keeper. We're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Why? I really don't understand why people think we need or will be buying two keepers. We only had two credible keepers when Bart was here why do we suddenly need an extra one? Last time we were in the premier league we had two decent keepers in Jones and Niemi, don't forget we had to loan Kasey Keller because they were both injured. It's very rare for both keepers to be injured or suspended at the same time and goalkeepers generally get injured, suspended or need a rest less than outfield players anyway. Are we really going to sign a keeper who won't even make the bench most of the time and what sort of keeper do you think we'll get who will settle for that? Actually last time we had Niemi, Smith and Blayney (with Poke as an 18 year old). Whatever anyone thinks of Blayney, he was decent enough as third choice - he's made a good career for himself in Northern Ireland I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 I don't believe we have bid £6m for him. Even if we have, it won't be £6m up front will it? It will be something like £1.5m up front, with the rest dependent upon appearances for Saints, international caps and Saints' achievements (E.g staying up) If the deal is structured in such a way, Butland would basically have to usurp Joe Hart as England's number 1 for the deal to cost Saints the full £6m (which if it happened, will mean that Butland is a great deal for us). We're not spending £6m up front on a keeper. We're not. Wouldn't that be the case no matter who we are signing? We need to stay up. And if saints are going to tie up £6m in any which way, I expect that player to be good enough, right now. To oust said player we already have in that position. We we spend £6m on a RM. I expect him to be better than GUly and chaplow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Why? I really don't understand why people think we need or will be buying two keepers. We only had two credible keepers when Bart was here why do we suddenly need an extra one? Last time we were in the premier league we had two decent keepers in Jones and Niemi, don't forget we had to loan Kasey Keller because they were both injured. It's very rare for both keepers to be injured or suspended at the same time and goalkeepers generally get injured, suspended or need a rest less than outfield players anyway. Are we really going to sign a keeper who won't even make the bench most of the time and what sort of keeper do you think we'll get who will settle for that? I actually do think we'll sign another keeper; but I imagine it will be someone young (18, 19 20), cheap, not yet ready for the first team but with a bit of promise who can play in the development squad for a year or two before potentially coming through to the first team or as second choice. A bit like Forecast was supposed to turn out. I certainly don't think we'll be getting 2 extra keepers who can all push for the first team though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Actually last time we had Niemi, Smith and Blayney (with Poke as an 18 year old). Whatever anyone thinks of Blayney, he was decent enough as third choice - he's made a good career for himself in Northern Ireland I believe. Blayney wasn't considered good enough by Wigley who got Keller in in loan. He only made a handful of appearances, why do people think we are going to sign two more first team goalkeepers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 I actually do think we'll sign another keeper; but I imagine it will be someone young (18, 19 20), cheap, not yet ready for the first team but with a bit of promise who can play in the development squad for a year or two before potentially coming through to the first team or as second choice. A bit like Forecast was supposed to turn out. I certainly don't think we'll be getting 2 extra keepers who can all push for the first team though. This is possible. We won't be signing 2 first team goalkeepers though that's for sure, unless Davis is on his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdearlove Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Blayney was Ulster Player of the Year 2010-2011 and played pretty much every game for the current Ulster champions Linfield in 2011-2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Blayney was Ulster Player of the Year 2010-2011 and played pretty much every game for the current Ulster champions Linfield in 2011-2012 What sort of standard is that conference? L2 at best I'd imagine. Hardly an endorsement for his first team credentials when he was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 What sort of standard is that conference? L2 at best I'd imagine. Hardly an endorsement for his first team credentials when he was here. No but he did pull off the best save I have ever seen live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 What sort of standard is that conference? L2 at best I'd imagine. Hardly an endorsement for his first team credentials when he was here. It used to be quite a high standard such that players could go straight into an old Div1 club (e.g. Alan Hunter - Coleraine to Bobby Robson's Ipswich). Now all the best youngsters are poached by English academies and the standard is probably about conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyR Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 NOW THIS... The world has gone nuts It is understood that Southampton are not willing to guarantee Butland first-team football but believe he could challenge current number one Kelvin Davis next season and Saints are prepared to come back with a slightly improved offer. http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/06/28/southampton-set-to-make-improve-bid-for-england-goalkeeper-jack-butland/? See our new kit on this link in the list of teams. Nothing like what The9 is on about!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Why? I really don't understand why people think we need or will be buying two keepers. We only had two credible keepers when Bart was here why do we suddenly need an extra one? Last time we were in the premier league we had two decent keepers in Jones and Niemi, don't forget we had to loan Kasey Keller because they were both injured. It's very rare for both keepers to be injured or suspended at the same time and goalkeepers generally get injured, suspended or need a rest less than outfield players anyway. Are we really going to sign a keeper who won't even make the bench most of the time and what sort of keeper do you think we'll get who will settle for that? I agree with you on this Turkish. I can see no reason why we would sign 2 keepers, one is enough. TF is used as the 3rd choice (as currently) and if there is an issue we sign an emergency loan. Having said all of this, 6m does seem over the top for a highly rated yet essentially untested young keeper. Lets not forget Forecast had a contract at Spurs and was highly rated around the same age! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Lets not forget Forecast and a contract at spurs and was highly rated around the same age! No he wasn't. Butland is rated by many in the game to be a competitor for Joe Hart in future years for the England keeper jersey. Forecast has never had such a billing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 I agree with you on this Turkish. I can see no reason why we would sign 2 keepers, one is enough. TF is used as the 3rd choice (as currently) and if there is an issue we sign an emergency loan. Having said all of this, 6m does seem over the top for a highly rated yet essentially untested young keeper. Lets not forget Forcast and a contract at spurs and was highly rated around the same age! If Forecast was as highly rated as some make out, he would never have been sent down here. Spurs knew exactly what they were doing with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 No he wasn't. Butland is rated by many in the game to be a competitor for Joe Hart in future years for the England keeper jersey. Forecast has never had such a billing. The same was said of Scott Carson Steve simonsen Kris kirkland Joe Lewis Scot loach Robert green is deemed a better keeper yet he was laughed at by many when suggested we should get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 If Forecast was as highly rated as some make out, he would never have been sent down here. Spurs knew exactly what they were doing with that one. Ŷou could say, why is such a mega keeper getting dropped by Cheltenham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 If we buy him and stock continues to rise he will be worth at least double that. Same for j rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 If Forecast was as highly rated as some make out, he would never have been sent down here. Spurs knew exactly what they were doing with that one. I don't disagree, but he was given a contract at Spurs whilst young and around the same age. If they did not see anything in him initially, then why sign him on professional terms at all. Granted they eventually realised he was not up to it, but my point is that Butland at 19 (or whatever he is) is a massive punt at 6m for a goalkeeper of that age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 The lad is a prospect which in any case is always a gamble. If a keeper can get a call up to internation competition then he must having something about him. Would be a great signing if we pulled it off. I think Birmingham demanding a high fee will put us off though. In any case surely this suggests we gonna spend some this window. I mean 6-7m already on a forward and a 6m bid turned down for a young goalkeeper. Exciting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Ŷou could say, why is such a mega keeper getting dropped by Cheltenham? You could I suppose, if you believe Cheltenham have been given the option of taking him on loan again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 How many European Champions has Fourpast been to again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 How many European Champions has Fourpast been to again? Championships* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Ŷou could say, why is such a mega keeper getting dropped by Cheltenham? Looking forward to your explanation of how he is being "dropped" by Cheltenham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Looking forward to your explanation of how he is being "dropped" by Cheltenham. I was wrong. As I noticed he never played all the games whilst he was due to be on loan He was recalled to sit on the bench in the NPC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 No but he did pull off the best save I have ever seen live. It was awarded Save of The Season by Sky Sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 (edited) See our new kit on this link in the list of teams. Nothing like what The9 is on about!! Erm, all I can see is a picture of Butland in that hideous jade England goalkeeper's kit with crosses all over it ? EDIT : Ah, my work PC didn't display the HTML properly. I've logged in on my phone, I see what you mean now. You'll also note Reading apparently will be playing next season in blue and white halves. Edited 28 June, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Erm, all I can see is a picture of Butland in that hideous jade England goalkeeper's kit with crosses all over it ? Think he means the banner above where they have icons for all the clubs. White shirt two tthin red stripes. Doubt you can rely on that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Think he means the banner above where they have icons for all the clubs. White shirt two tthin red stripes. Doubt you can rely on that though. See above. I also doubt West Ham will be playing in bright orange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 We should not be spending 6 million on an untried keeper. The wise thing to do will be to take Mcgregor on a free who still has alot of playing time ahead of him. Hes only 30 so potentially another 10 years. That to me seems a better investment than Butland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 I know this has been mentioned before, but not sure if it came with a link last time... Jay Rodriguez and Jack Butland have the same agent - Gary Mellor, which might play a part in all of this. http://www.beswickssports.com/sport-news/view/article361.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 I see one link has us turning our attentions to Fraser Forster if we fail to bring in Butland. I don't know about you lot, but I'd be happier with that signing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 The same was said of Scott Carson Steve simonsen Kris kirkland Joe Lewis Scot loach Robert green is deemed a better keeper yet he was laughed at by many when suggested we should get him What you're failing to acknowledge is that all of those you listed would be infinitely better options than Forecast, which was MLGs point. Stop arguing for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 How many of the posters saying that we'd be nuts to pay Brum six mill for Butland ALSO said that Arsenal were nuts to pay us 15 mill for AOC, and that he'd end up anchored to the bench? Come on, fess up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 What you're failing to acknowledge is that all of those you listed would be infinitely better options than Forecast, which was MLGs point. Stop arguing for the sake of it. the point is....countless young keepers have been hailed as the next big thing....when in reality, only joe hart has made it. and how much did he cost man city..? to suggest right now that butland is going to be harts contender for no.1 spot is laughable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 the point is....countless young keepers have been hailed as the next big thing....when in reality, only joe hart has made it. and how much did he cost man city..? to suggest right now that butland is going to be harts contender for no.1 spot is laughable That wasn't what he was suggesting at all, just that there's a difference between Forecast being in the youth team of a Prem club and Butland being rated as the top young keeper in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 That wasn't what he was suggesting at all, just that there's a difference between Forecast being in the youth team of a Prem club and Butland being rated as the top young keeper in the country. I know..but at some point...around when forecast was 19. he was good enough to be Spurs no.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 around when forecast was 19. he was good enough to be Spurs no.2 No he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 I know..but at some point...around when forecast was 19. he was good enough to be Spurs no.2 When was this? As far as I can remember (I believe Ramos was in charge at the time?) when he signed for us they had Heurelho Gomes, Cesar Sanchez and Robinson had just left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 When was this? As far as I can remember (I believe Ramos was in charge at the time?) when he signed for us they had Heurelho Gomes, Cesar Sanchez and Robinson had just left. forcast has been on the spurs bench at the higher end of the premier league at the same sort of age as butland than jack himself has found himself on the bench of a NPC team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 I know..but at some point...around when forecast was 19. he was good enough to be Spurs no.2 forcast has been on the spurs bench at the higher end of the premier league at the same sort of age as butland than jack himself has found himself on the bench of a NPC team Find me that season on this... http://www.footballsquads.co.uk/archive.htm Simply being on the bench a few times does not make you the "Spurs no.2" keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 2007-2008 old tommy made spurs bench 6 times+ 2011-2012, old jacko made brum bench 3 times as well as some games in the mighty league 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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