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Having tasted international fringe recognition he is not going to want to just bench warm. The fact he was recognised due to his performances on loan at Cheltenham would probably not rule out loans for him.

 

His options appear to be first team at Birmingham, transfer to another Championship team or to a higher league as a genuine competitive first team option, or transfer to a top Premier side and loaned to a Premier/top Championship side. BC are not financially strong and may well cash in. Has a deal for Foster been done at WBA or is he also back at BC?

 

Do you actually think players join clubs just to sit on the bench and not compete for a first team place?

 

I would not sign players that demand first team football. No player has a right to be picked and any that demand it clearly have an inflated opinion of themselves. I would also not sign anyone who joins as "backup" much to the dispointment of those on here who continually claim we need to sign back up players and think football squads consist of eleven first team players then eleven back up players who are not as good and will only play in the case of injuries and suspensions.

 

We need 20-25 good players all aware they are part of squad and if they play well, work hard and show the right attitude they play. Their performances and attitude make them guarenteed first team football, not stamping of feet and demanding it in their contacts.

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Do you actually think players join clubs just to sit on the bench and not compete for a first team place?

 

I would not sign players that demand first team football. No player has a right to be picked and any that demand it clearly have an inflated opinion of themselves. I would also not sign anyone who joins as "backup" much to the dispointment of those on here who continually claim we need to sign back up players and think football squads consist of eleven first team players then eleven back up players who are not as good and will only play in the case of injuries and suspensions.

 

We need 20-25 good players all aware they are part of squad and if they play well, work hard and show the right attitude they play. Their performances and attitude make them guarenteed first team football, not stamping of feet and demanding it in their contacts.

 

At 19 there is a bit of leeway there but now that involved at England senior level I would expect him to go where he is going to play. I rate KD as a shotstopper and I think he will get plenty of opportunity to practice that this year. However I don't rate his dealing with crosses, command of the box, communication and short distribution. He deserves first crack at keeping the spot but we need a better keeper to bring in if he doesn't step up to the plate. I've never seen Butland but there seems to be a few decent keepers on the market at the moment.

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Having tasted international fringe recognition he is not going to want to just bench warm. The fact he was recognised due to his performances on loan at Cheltenham would probably not rule out loans for him.

 

His options appear to be first team at Birmingham, transfer to another Championship team or to a higher league as a genuine competitive first team option, or transfer to a top Premier side and loaned to a Premier/top Championship side. BC are not financially strong and may well cash in. Has a deal for Foster been done at WBA or is he also back at BC?

 

I cannot see the logic in Birmingham loaning him out next season, unless on a very good deal which would appear unlikely. Birmingham have financial issues and in Butland a source of capital. Birmingham will either use him or the money from his sale. It just makes little sense for Birmingham to go for another loan now the player has value.

 

As to what happens next, only someone with a good knowledge of the lads character will be able to provide some clues, along with what offers are received by Birmingham. I am reasonably confident that Saints have made an offer from some of the feed back and I don't believe the lad would get a better opportunity else where for playing. I would expect him to get nigh on equal status to Kelvin with definite opportunities for the season. I don't see a better opportunity for the Premier though I expect he will get a full chance at a Championship club. Bearing in mind he is only proven at League 2 level, he's got a lot to prove to himself and others higher up. If he were cautious about his future it would make a lot of sense to stay at Birmingham or go to another Championship club where he will be given an opportunity, though the Saints deal looks very attractive.

 

What does concern me is that we would be going into a Premier season with Kelvin and Butland. Butland would be a good signing just as J Rod has been, but it hardly fills me with confidence that we really know what the Premier is all about. A big risk without known Premier experienced players.

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I cannot see the logic in Birmingham loaning him out next season, unless on a very good deal which would appear unlikely. Birmingham have financial issues and in Butland a source of capital. Birmingham will either use him or the money from his sale. It just makes little sense for Birmingham to go for another loan now the player has value.

 

On the flip side; if they can afford not to offload him, they can potentially get a decent season long loan fee for him and then see where they are next year. If Butland plays well in the Premier League, and indeed goes on to actually play for Enfland, his stock will have risen massively and he'll likely be worth significantly moe than the £3M approx that is being talked about now. At that point Birmingham will have the option of recalling him if they gain promotion to the PL or selling him for a much higher price.

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What does concern me is that we would be going into a Premier season with Kelvin and Butland. Butland would be a good signing just as J Rod has been, but it hardly fills me with confidence that we really know what the Premier is all about. A big risk without known Premier experienced players.

 

I don't necessarily disagree that it would be nice to sign 1 or 2 experienced heads. That said I don't see it as the be all and end all; Norwich and Swansea both had effective seasons without those types of players. QPR on the other hand went down the expensive experienced route and considerably struggled.

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I cannot see the logic in Birmingham loaning him out next season, unless on a very good deal which would appear unlikely. Birmingham have financial issues and in Butland a source of capital. Birmingham will either use him or the money from his sale. It just makes little sense for Birmingham to go for another loan now the player has value.

On the flip side; if they can afford not to offload him, they can potentially get a decent season long loan fee for him and then see where they are next year. If Butland plays well in the Premier League, and indeed goes on to actually play for Enfland, his stock will have risen massively and he'll likely be worth significantly moe than the £3M approx that is being talked about now. At that point Birmingham will have the option of recalling him if they gain promotion to the PL or selling him for a much higher price.

 

Can see your point in the other post but not here. For this to work Birmingham need to find a Premier club to take him on a decent loan deal for the next season (which would always be accompanied by a buy clause) and to actually use him for the season. No Premier club is going to take all the risk without the rewards.

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Can see your point in the other post but not here. For this to work Birmingham need to find a Premier club to take him on a decent loan deal for the next season (which would always be accompanied by a buy clause) and to actually use him for the season. No Premier club is going to take all the risk without the rewards.

 

There's all sorts of ways that it could work; Brum could offer a buy clause that is only conditional on them not actually getting back to the PL. I certainly wouldn't like to suggest that I know for sure what all 20 Premier League clubs think about that sort of deal.

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Birmingham are in all sorts of financial trouble, i imagine they will sell anyone clubs are interested in. They are just trying to get as much as possible up front to ease their problems.

 

They could sell Foster and Butland and get Myhill possibly.

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Would be surprised if he came here, unless no other club comes up with the money. His star is massively in the ascendancy, people were concerned that Jay Rod may not choose us over more established Premier League sides and he is very likely to be a first choice striker and is nowhere near getting an England call up for a friendly, let alone going to a major tournament.

 

If he is not going to be the clear 1st choice here, he may as well go to a large premier league team where he can get a large contract and the option to go out on loan somewhere to prove himself. Put yourself in his shoes, would you come to Saints for wages likely lower than he could earn elsewhere and the prospect of being 1st choice when Kelv retires? I think it would take an awful lot for KD to not be clear 1st choice next season, unless we get some hidings in our early fixtures and confidence drops.

 

I'm just not that sure that we are that attractive a prospect to players, despite our impressive recent progression. We're broadly similar to where Norwich were last summer to outside parties IMO

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Birmingham’s Butland is on the 35-strong shortlist but Pearce was under the impression that his club were going to take advantage of an edict over players not being involved in both tournaments. But the FA have already had written confirmation from Birmingham’s owners that they have ‘no issues’ with Butland, who might be sold before the Games, being in Team GB.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2158438/Charles-Sale-Laid-Pearce-happy-fly-solo.html#ixzz1xf6EhNuj

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Now I have never been and will never be 'ITK', but a mate from Birmingham today asked me whether we were in for a Blues 'keeper. When I said that there had been reports of interest in Butland he replied in the affirmative with the comment, "I know his mum and that's what she was saying".

 

Only a tiny snippet so yes, I know there's little substance. Just thought I'd share as it seems a bit of a strange thing for her to come out with if we haven't made an approach. Not really like we're a big enough step up from Birmingham for it to be worth a fabricated brag.

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http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?id=906787/

 

Mirror saying Butland's England call up could be pricing us out of a move for him. What, with our mega wealth???

 

This looks like an old story - despite the 23 June dateline, I'm sure I've seen it before. But dear 'tache, I'm not so sure about Saints' mega wealth. I have the impression that Mr Cortese is operating within a budget dictated by estimated income. Haven't heard SFC making noises about any of the £10m or £20m plus players that the wealthy top half-dozen clubs are repeatedly linked to. I think we may have to accept that 'we know our place' and that we will be depending on the talent in our squad to over-perform. If we have a £15m player in our side it will be because one of our youngsters turns out to be a Walcott or a Chamberlain, or because we pick up a prospect such as Butland before he's played any league games.

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Colin Tattum ‏@colintattum

Peter Pannu:"I'd like to make it clear Jack Butland & Nathan Redmond are not for sale unless we are subject to an eye-popping offer"#blues

 

Sounds like a 'Come and Get Them' statement.

How big does an offer have to be to be "eye-popping" IF you're in financial difficulties?

They're NOT for sale right!....oh well, OK they might be

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It doesn't say "pricing us out of a move", it says that Saints think it will put the price up. Two different things.

 

I would say they are the same thing, if the price goes up and we then decline to progress then we are being priced out of a move regardless of whether the reason is a) we can't aford it or b) we think its too expensive. As price in this context can both express an absolute value or relative value.

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I would say they are the same thing, if the price goes up and we then decline to progress then we are being priced out of a move regardless of whether the reason is a) we can't aford it or b) we think its too expensive. As price in this context can both express an absolute value or relative value.

Whatever, its a news article from a gutter level tabloid with no direct quotes attributable to anyone, telling us that a player's value may have gone up because he was called into the tournament squad for his national side.

 

Hold the presses.

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Whatever, its a news article from a gutter level tabloid with no direct quotes attributable to anyone, telling us that a player's value may have gone up because he was called into the tournament squad for his national side.

 

Hold the presses.

 

No its not. Its the Chief sports writer of the Birmingham paper directly quoting the VP of Birmingham FC.

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Peter Pannu:"I'd like to make it clear Jack Butland & Nathan Redmond are not for sale unless we are subject to an eye-popping offer"#blues

 

Sounds like a 'Come and Get Them' statement.

 

 

The Pannu quote. What's currently unavailable?

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The Pannu quote. What's currently unavailable?

 

As MLG said, we weren't discussing the Pannu quote. We (Ivan Katalinic's tash, MLG, fantheflames, me) were discussing the Mirror article; for which the previous link expired, hence I re-posted the new link that you've just quoted.

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I think it's just their way of trying to push up the price. We wont sell unless it's a fantastic offer. They are only setting themselves up for anger from the fans if they then sell the player for a fee fans deem not to be fantastic.

 

I don't think they are in much of a position to hold onto them though, the premier league is a draw to anybody, as we found out to our cost too. Once teams come asking they generally get their players.

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"Our supporters should be reassured that the club will not accept any derisory financial offers for any of our key players, as has been suggested, but equally we are required to make sound and balanced financial decisions which we accept are not always going to be popular. After all, this is a business.

 

I am sure no one wants the club to go into administration, particularly when my remit is for the club to be self sufficient."

 

Part of Pannu's statement. Around the £4 million mark should be enough to get Butland I would have thought.

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"Our supporters should be reassured that the club will not accept any derisory financial offers for any of our key players, as has been suggested, but equally we are required to make sound and balanced financial decisions which we accept are not always going to be popular. After all, this is a business.

 

I am sure no one wants the club to go into administration, particularly when my remit is for the club to be self sufficient."

 

Part of Pannu's statement. Around the £4 million mark should be enough to get Butland I would have thought.

 

Thats a come and bid for our players quote if ever i've heard one.

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Is this the same Birmingham that just sold Jordan Mutch to Cardiff for a cut-price fee? They're there for the taking if you ask me.
Good point My brummie ST mate said he was worth £6m, and he wasn't kidding, and he isn't a total tool. Something tells me that the undisclosed fee was saving the blushes of Cardiff. Any half decent offer and they'll bite our fingers off. They are in big trouble.
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Nabil Hassan ‏@NabilHassan79

New Birmingham City boss Lee Clark has ruled out the chances of #saintsfc target Jack Butland leaving the club.

 

Nabil Hassan ‏@NabilHassan79

Lee Clark on Jack Butland: "'It would take an eye-popping offer for the club even to be tempted to sell Jack". saintsfc

 

Sure this is what was said yesterday, but thought I'd add it to here anyway...

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£6m bid REJECTED by Birmingham tonight.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-bid-6m-for-jack-butland-942682

 

JamesNursey: Hearing #SaintsFC #Southampton had a 6mill bid for Jack Butland rejected by #BCFC tonight

 

colintattum: #blues turn down £6m offer for Jack Butland from Southampton. Full story in Thursday's Birmingham Mail #bcfc

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£6m bid REJECTED by Birmingham tonight.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-bid-6m-for-jack-butland-942682

 

JamesNursey: Hearing #SaintsFC #Southampton had a 6mill bid for Jack Butland rejected by #BCFC tonight

 

colintattum: #blues turn down £6m offer for Jack Butland from Southampton. Full story in Thursday's Birmingham Mail #bcfc

 

I can't believe we would bid 6 million for a player without first time experience.

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