Delmary Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2155598/Southampton-prepare-bid-Jack-Butland-Manchester-City-Spurs-lurk.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Man City will have a huge advantage.. Their goalkeeping coach Dave Watson is with him throughout the Euro's. He will be surely be having words with him and they will match any fee we can offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Man City will have a huge advantage.. Their goalkeeping coach Dave Watson is with him throughout the Euro's. He will be surely be having words with him and they will match any fee we can offer. Would be a strange decision for a young keeper to accept warming a bench for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Man City will have a huge advantage.. Their goalkeeping coach Dave Watson is with him throughout the Euro's. He will be surely be having words with him and they will match any fee we can offer. Yep, except for the fact that Dave Watson works for Birmingham City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Would be a strange decision for a young keeper to accept warming a bench for the foreseeable future. Not really. Ben Foster did it at Man U, Scott Carson and Chris Kirkland did it at Liverpool, Joe Hart did it for years at Man City. Richard Wright did it at Arsenal. In fact it seems all promising young keepers decide to do just thst so actually it would be a much stranger thing to do to join a club like Southampton when he has the choice of Man United, City or Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Not really. Ben Foster did it at Man U, Scott Carson and Chris Kirkland did it at Liverpool, Joe Hart did it for years at Man City. Richard Wright did it at Arsenal. In fact it seems all promising young keepers decide to do just thst so actually it would be a much stranger thing to do to join a club like Southampton when he has the choice of Man United, City or Arsenal. Yes, it must have been nice for a professional footballer to play less than 10 times for their clubs over 5 or so years. Good job all those keepers developed exactly as expected and are now all England number 1, playing for top top sides in the champions league. But of course you're right because anything is better than playing for a club like saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Yes, it must have been nice for a professional footballer to play less than 10 times for their clubs over 5 or so years. Good job all those keepers developed exactly as expected and are now all England number 1, playing for top top sides in the champions league. But of course you're right because anything is better than playing for a club like saints. Typical reaction id expect to being wrong. I didnt say it was the right move for Foster, Carson and co or joining Saints would be a mistake, in fact even with my saints bias i would say Saints are a very attractive proposition for a player. However you stated it would be a Strange move for a promising Keeper to Move to a big club and bench warm (although there is a good chance Butland would be loaned out if he did) Given the fact that that is what virtually every promising young keeper in England has done for the past 10 years then actually it wouldn't be Strange at all would it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Typical reaction id expect to being wrong. I didnt say it was the right move for Foster, Carson and co or joining Saints would be a mistake, in fact even with my saints bias i would say Saints are a very attractive proposition for a player. However you stated it would be a Strange move for a promising Keeper to Move to a big club and bench warm (although there is a good chance Butland would be loaned out if he did) Given the fact that that is what virtually every promising young keeper in England has done for the past 10 years then actually it wouldn't be Strange at all would it. Yes, IMO it's strange for any professional footballer to accept a bit part role for substantial period of time. My original response was specific to him joining City knowing that he probably won't get a sniff with Hart there. I never said that he shouldn't join another big or at least bigger side than Saints. But your examples have shown that it's not always a good move, most those players have had to drop down a couple of levels in order to rebuild their careers. Nothing is better than actually playing football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Yes, IMO it's strange for any professional footballer to accept a bit part role for substantial period of time. My original response was specific to him joining City knowing that he probably won't get a sniff with Hart there. I never said that he shouldn't join another big or at least bigger side than Saints. But your examples have shown that it's not always a good move, most those players have had to drop down a couple of levels in order to rebuild their careers. Nothing is better than actually playing football. You might think it's a strange thing to do and i actually agree with you that i dont understand why any player would join a club knowing it might be years before they break into the first team when they could play first team football at a smaller club, but that is the way of modern football sadly. Most players just want to play for the biggest clubs. As in the case of the goalkeepers mentioned above, it rarely seems to have a positive effect on their careers and it's only really Joe Hart, who has a case to be called the best keeper in the world, who seem to make it at the really big clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Ben Foster did it at Man U, Scott Carson and Chris Kirkland did it at Liverpool, Richard Wright did it at Arsenal. How did it work out for them? None of them are still at those clubs, nor did they play many games for those clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 How did it work out for them? None of them are still at those clubs, nor did they play many games for those clubs. You might think it's a strange thing to do and i actually agree with you that i dont understand why any player would join a club knowing it might be years before they break into the first team when they could play first team football at a smaller club, but that is the way of modern football sadly. Most players just want to play for the biggest clubs. As in the case of the goalkeepers mentioned above, it rarely seems to have a positive effect on their careers and it's only really Joe Hart, who has a case to be called the best keeper in the world, who seem to make it at the really big clubs. Typical reaction id expect to being wrong. I didnt say it was the right move for Foster, Carson and co or joining Saints would be a mistake, in fact even with my saints bias i would say Saints are a very attractive proposition for a player. However you stated it would be a Strange move for a promising Keeper to Move to a big club and bench warm (although there is a good chance Butland would be loaned out if he did) Given the fact that that is what virtually every promising young keeper in England has done for the past 10 years then actually it wouldn't be Strange at all would it. Read before you type you helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Yep, except for the fact that Dave Watson works for Birmingham City. and is still Joe Harts g/k coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 well it seems we're still a long way from signing Butland, but maybe we could seal the deal with a player-exchange...if / when we sign him. Maybe Birmingham haven't heard, but we have another goalie named Tommy Forecast. He was once tipped as a future England 'keeper, too... and perhaps they might want to consider........?....just maybe. Ssssssh... don't say the obvious, it might be our only chance to get rid of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 and is still Joe Harts g/k coach Pat, what are you on about? Dave Watson has never worked for Manchester City. He coached Joe Hart while he was at Birmingham (and will do now for England), and he obviously coaches Jack Butland at Brum when he's not out on loan. Other than Joe Hart being a City player, Man City will have no imfluence over Butland at the Euros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Will Dave Watson follow Hughton to Norwich ? Just another possible angle to influence this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jack-butland-has-been-advised-to-snub-870593 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jack-butland-has-been-advised-to-snub-870593 Good stuff. Rather him than Green I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Janine Self from the People believes that Butland to Saints has a 7/10 possibility. (Watch the Video) http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/laptv/two-minute-warning/doumbia-to-arsenal-toon-chase-debuchy-butland-to-saints/? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Doubt he'd go to City. He'd be waiting a very long time to shift Joe Hart, who is one of the World's best and still fairly young himself. United have a young keeper already in De Gea, Chelsea have a poor record of bringing through youngsters and Liverpool are a circus atm, so competition amongst the others should be hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jack-butland-has-been-advised-to-snub-870593 Another snub! I love a snub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Originally Posted by Dig Dig Yes, it must have been nice for a professional footballer to play less than 10 times for their clubs over 5 or so years. Good job all those keepers developed exactly as expected and are now all England number 1, playing for top top sides in the champions league. But of course you're right because anything is better than playing for a club like saints. Typical reaction id expect to being wrong. I didnt say it was the right move for Foster, Carson and co or joining Saints would be a mistake, in fact even with my saints bias i would say Saints are a very attractive proposition for a player. However you stated it would be a Strange move for a promising Keeper to Move to a big club and bench warm (although there is a good chance Butland would be loaned out if he did) Given the fact that that is what virtually every promising young keeper in England has done for the past 10 years then actually it wouldn't be Strange at all would it. Wouldn't say you are wrong, equally not enough to say you are right. You are correct in what has gone on in the past but I would argue the "success" of that experience means it is less likely now. What happened with Foster and Carson made it look like there was no direction to their careers and hardly an endorsement of going to a big club, then to be loaned out. One very important point is that Joe Hart looks ensconced as England goalie for many years to come, so any other goalie wanting to make a dent here will have to be playing regularly. So I doubt he will be going any where as a long term #2, otherwise he is not going out on loan. So the main consideration after money is going to be a move where he believes he can play regularly at the highest level. This can go either way, even a stay at Birmingham could make sense, his aim prior to the England call up. For Saints this is a big risk, marginalised by Kelvin. If we have made the offer it appears too good to be true for the lad, something that hits all the right buttons. We are not talking about anywhere near a true England #3 but someone who has a bright future, currently a good League 2 goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Another snub! I love a snub. Have you read the article or just the URL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Have you read the article or just the URL? Yes, my little pedantic one, I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Whether it's Butland or someone else, the task of signing a quality keeper has to be a top priority because the list of options is far shorter than it is for outfielders, and the window of opportunity is much smaller. This is one we can't afford to dither over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 TO be honest he shouldn't even be with England Kelvin should be Its sham bollok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Well this could get interesting... From the font of all knowledge - Alan Nixon dankiz1: @reluctantnicko Butland? reluctantnicko: @dankiz1 Yup. Have been in. Not at 3m. But interest. Same agent as Rodriguez. Hmm ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 We want him, that seems to be well documented in most places. Guess we're sounding it out, but it fits what we do in the market. I can't say I've seen a great deal of him but for all the interest and talk he's quite clearly got something about him. You don't get called up to a Euro squad if you're rubbish (ok, maybe that argument falls a bit flat with Downing, but that's another debate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 There will be a minor bit on hopefully on the mirror site tonight about Saints and Butland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Don't use twitter as such, but saw this on Nixon's page... Q: @reluctantnicko Do you think Saints will be in for Craig Gordon. Sky Sports site saying he's linked with us? Or we focused on Jack Butland? A: @danbsfc Butland is a live one. Down to valuations. If u wanted Gordon u would have signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Bid submitted for Butland but deemed not enough. No article link as of yet. (Will update post when it appears) danbsfc: @reluctantnicko Site has had some articles added but nothing on Butland so far. reluctantnicko: @danbsfc Bid in. But in installments. Not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 If we want him we will get a bid accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Going by Nixon's tweets to others, it seems as though this could well happen. The overall bid = 3m but it is in instalments. Birmingham rejected as not enough guaranteed (up front). Can definitely see us going back in and getting this one if we can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Still not 100% sure what to make of Nixon, will watch this one from afar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Still not 100% sure what to make of Nixon, will watch this one from afar! Give him credit, he seems to get the initial story and then kind of waffles his way thorough the rest of it. I can see this one happening purely for the fact that his agent is the same as Rodriguez's - Ade Akinbiyi. Plus, other journalists over the last few days have rated his chances of coming here higher than going to somewhere like City so we'll see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Give him credit, he seems to get the initial story and then kind of waffles his way thorough the rest of it. I can see this one happening purely for the fact that his agent is the same as Rodriguez's - Ade Akinbiyi. Plus, other journalists over the last few days have rated his chances of coming here higher than going to somewhere like City so we'll see! ah, didn't know he had the same agent, interesting. Mr Akinbyi could be in for a nice double agent fee here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Still not 100% sure what to make of Nixon, will watch this one from afar! He definitely has some very good contacts and a lot is true I think. Just milks it a bit as a tabloid journo would. He was spot on with our pursuit of Sharp in Jan and largely with JR too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Think he would be no2 to Davis for a year then take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Easy for me to say this as its not my money paying for him .... but this is one position we can't play a cool poker hand. £3M is a bit low for a goalkeeper with 20 years ahead of him. I would offer more and put something like £3M down and £2M in addons. Let's get this deal closed if we can. By all means, play it cool and slow on outfield deals, but this one, wrap it up while everyone's focused on the Euros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Easy for me to say this as its not my money paying for him .... but this is one position we can't play a cool poker hand. £3M is a bit low for a goalkeeper with 20 years ahead of him. I would offer more and put something like £3M down and £2M in addons. Let's get this deal closed if we can. By all means, play it cool and slow on outfield deals, but this one, wrap it up while everyone's focused on the Euros. We are unlikely to offer a 20 year contract so that is a bit of a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 We are unlikely to offer a 20 year contract so that is a bit of a moot point. What a ridiculous point to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 What a ridiculous point to make. I agree. The point the original bloke "the saint in winchester" was getting at St. Chalet, was that Birmingham are selling what could potentially be 20 years of the lad's career if he was to stay at the club he moved to. Therefore, assuming he does not end up back at Birmingham one day, the club are selling a potential 20 years of goalkeeper, and therefore want a fair amount for that. He could well be a future England keeper looking at his career to date and should his development continue also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 And that type of moronic idiocy is apparently in charge of moderating a forum. Dear Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 And that type of moronic idiocy is apparently in charge of moderating a forum. Dear Lord. Careful mate. They've stared dishing out infractions for pointless comments again. I expect a few thousand points will be issued today, we wouldn't want any inconsistency from our moderators would we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 Perhaps interesting comments from Pulis re Saints going for Butland. Might just be quoting the reports, or he might have more of an inside track... http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/story-16346719-detail/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 Give him credit, he seems to get the initial story and then kind of waffles his way thorough the rest of it. I'd agree with this re: Nixon. Thing is, deals probably are intricate with delays etc. Probably are quite hard to follow. Hope we get Butland - I would prefer him over Green. Certainly fits in with our structure more. I couldn't really see us signing someone who West Ham couldn't agree a contract with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 Careful mate. They've stared dishing out infractions for pointless comments again. I expect a few thousand points will be issued today, we wouldn't want any inconsistency from our moderators would we. How come u ain't been banned yet then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 How come u ain't been banned yet then? I take it the irony in your post is lost on you. an y r u postin in dat txt spk, r u 13 yrs old? LOL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombletomble Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 Perhaps interesting comments from Pulis re Saints going for Butland. Might just be quoting the reports, or he might have more of an inside track...http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/story-16346719-detail/story.htmlMy favorite line from that articlePulis added: "Everybody knows Reading have got money to spend and West Ham will spend anyway." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 Having tasted international fringe recognition he is not going to want to just bench warm. The fact he was recognised due to his performances on loan at Cheltenham would probably not rule out loans for him. His options appear to be first team at Birmingham, transfer to another Championship team or to a higher league as a genuine competitive first team option, or transfer to a top Premier side and loaned to a Premier/top Championship side. BC are not financially strong and may well cash in. Has a deal for Foster been done at WBA or is he also back at BC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 I think we can explain to him he would COMPETE with Kelvin for the next two years and then be viewed the NUMBER ONE keeper after that. I would hope Nige would give him at least 10 games, maybe more, in order to prove himself. Sadly, using Bart for cup games only against inferior opposition meant he wasn't prepared for the league games when KD was injured and he came in, with frightening results (the Blackpool game?). The second choice keeper needs to play enough to hone his match fitness. I don't know much about Butland, but I hope we can sign a GK soon, be it Butland, Gordon or Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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