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James

James

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Yes.

 

So a 18 year old keeper who's only first team experience is in League Two over the keeper was voted the best in the Championship? Assuming, as I do that the best three English keepers get selected.

 

Ridiculous view point to hold. 24 games at Cheltenham over a full season in a Premier League promotion winning team? I know who I'd rather have.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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So a 18 year old keeper who's only first team experience is in League Two over the keeper was voted the best in the Championship? Assuming, as I do that the best three English keepers get selected.

 

Ridiculous view point to hold. 24 games at Cheltenham over a full season in a Premier League promotion winning team? I know who I'd rather have.

 

 

 

Oh well. Just me and the England team manager then.

 

Picking Kelvin Davies for England would have been a completely pointless and laughable exersize.

krissyboy31

krissyboy31

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Oh well. Just me and the England team manager then.

 

Picking Kelvin Davies for England would have been a completely pointless and laughable exersize.

Absolutely. KD wouldn't have been good enough to be called up if he was 25 let alone 35.
SNSUN

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I think it's a good idea to take Butland to the Euros, more so than had we taken Ruddy. It gives him the experience of being at a major competition, especially as he'll be in the England set up for years to come. We did it with Ferdinand, we did it with Walcott. Besides which, how often is it for a nation's third keeper to be selected to play? Very rare. Had we not had a cemented first choice keeper, I reckon perhaps we'd have picked a more experienced third choice keeper, but thankfully we have Hart, so the other two will barely get a look in anyway, bar injuries and suspensions to Hart.

 

In the argument of Davis or Butland, I'd say Butland. Davis or Green would be a closer argument...

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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not so long ago...after South Africa..the whole country was full of..."get rid of the golden generation and promote from the U21s and build for future"

 

well, here we are doing it

CB Fry

CB Fry

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Kelvin Davis has been at Saints for six years now. Isn't that long enough to know that it is "Davis" and not "Davies"? ;)

 

 

Shut it you freak.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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Ok Jack, which bench would you like to keep warm, Southamptons or Man U's ?.............

 

How quickly would Butland likely oust 21 year old, £17 million signing David De Gea?

 

How quickly would Butland likely oust 35 year old Kelvin Davis?

tedmaul

tedmaul

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Most ****s on this site hadn't even heard Butland or had any opinion on him, suddenly he's Gordon Banks in the making. A 19 year old goalkeeping genius

Hopkins

Hopkins

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How quickly would Butland likely oust 21 year old, £17 million signing David De Gea?

 

How quickly would Butland likely oust 35 year old Kelvin Davis?

 

How quickly is he likely to oust a goal keeper who could easily be sold at his current club?

 

People seriously need to chill out about these rumours. Great if we sign him. But your clinging onto a daily mail article ffs. It's embarrassing.

 

However...It's not as embarrassing as people acting like they are some sort of know it all about Jack Butland and what's best for his career.

Saint J 77

Saint J 77

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How quickly would Butland likely oust 21 year old, £17 million signing David De Gea?

 

How quickly would Butland likely oust 35 year old Kelvin Davis?

 

Good point but ultimately money will talk. I expect his agent will probably steer him in the wrong direction, just for the extra notes he will pick up.

The9

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Er, the reason Butland is in the squad is because he got called up from being 4th choice when the 3rd choice got injured. I'm fairly sure no-one gives a toss about who the 3rd choice choice keeper is anyway, squads very rarely use them, so getting him some experience can't hurt.

 

Also, I'm not going to pretend I have any clue if he's actually decent, as I, like probably everyone else on here, have never seen him play, mainly because he's only played for a Lge 2 side in competitive matches.

beavis17

beavis17

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Aside from a dodgy performance against Southend, Butland was superb for Cheltenham and was one of the major reasons a team that was favourites for relegation finished in the play-offs.

 

For those criticising him, did Joe Hart not start at Shrewsbury at a similar age and move straight to Man City? What's he up to now?

Saint J 77

Saint J 77

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Er, the reason Butland is in the squad is because he got called up from being 4th choice when the 3rd choice got injured. I'm fairly sure no-one gives a toss about who the 3rd choice choice keeper is anyway, squads very rarely use them, so getting him some experience can't hurt.

 

Also, I'm not going to pretend I have any clue if he's actually decent, as I, like probably everyone else on here, have never seen him play, mainly because he's only played for a Lge 2 side in competitive matches.

 

Joe Hart was 3rd choice in the world cup, just saying ;)

The9

The9

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Joe Hart was 3rd choice in the world cup, just saying ;)

Did he get a game, even when Green made his error and James was past it?

Saint J 77

Saint J 77

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Did he get a game, even when Green made his error and James was past it?

 

No but he should have done. Both Green and James being a head of him was criminal. It raises a good point in itself, why has Green been given another chance after his mistake when Robinson and Carson never were given a second chance? They are both better keepers in my opinion. I know they retired internationally and said they would never play for Capello again but now he is gone either one of those would be better than Green

david in sweden

david in sweden

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if any of this is really true, which I beginning to have my doubts about...it may only be paper talk...

 

Not even in his wildest dreams could Butland think he would come in and replace a Prem.goalie in August.

good he may be, and good he may look... but as far as I can see he's not played at a higher level than L2 (?), so who is he likely to replace first...

 

Joe Hart at Man.City..or one of the two multi-million pound keepers at Man. U ..or a 36 y.o. KD? Don't think we need a poll on that do we ?

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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http://www.thefa.com/videocentre

 

watch englands finishing practice - green and Butland are the keepers !!

 

either of them are better option than davis for me... in my opinion ( prepearing for sentimental backlash!!!)

 

 

well yes, they're both in the England squad and KD isn't.I do hope we get someone better than KD before the season starts.

MarkSFC

MarkSFC

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.I do hope we get someone better than KD before the season starts.

 

This. He derserves to be involved but he is not the keeper to take us up the Premier League. Butland maybe. Gordon maybe. A.N.Other probably! Who ever it is must be a far better commander of his box on corners particularly and have far quicker distribution and kicking ability. Davis does not aid our fast paced keep ball style.

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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This. He derserves to be involved but he is not the keeper to take us up the Premier League. Butland maybe. Gordon maybe. A.N.Other probably! Who ever it is must be a far better commander of his box on corners particularly and have far quicker distribution and kicking ability. Davis does not aid our fast paced keep ball style.
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Been watching the "Road to the PL" video..September, jeez was KD awful against Forest. Gifted them 2 goals and then should have been sent off and a penalty awarded against us,not the only occasion either, lost us the game at home to Bristol City amongst others.We will be crucified if we start with KD against good sides ithe Premier League, too slow,too badly positioned

doesn't control his box and doesn't anticipate,surely it's number 1 priority.I'd take all that money we're supposed to be offering for

Rodriguez and give it to Green(or someone like that) for a 4 year contract.

Saint J 77

Saint J 77

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Been watching the "Road to the PL" video..September, jeez was KD awful against Forest. Gifted them 2 goals and then should have been sent off and a penalty awarded against us,not the only occasion either, lost us the game at home to Bristol City amongst others.We will be crucified if we start with KD against good sides ithe Premier League, too slow,too badly positioned

doesn't control his box and doesn't anticipate,surely it's number 1 priority.I'd take all that money we're supposed to be offering for

Rodriguez and give it to Green(or someone like that) for a 4 year contract.

 

I agree we need a new keeper to challenge for the number 1 spot but I definitely don't want Green.

Cabrone

Cabrone

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well yes, they're both in the England squad and KD isn't.I do hope we get someone better than KD before the season starts.

 

Top priority for me as it's a crucial position.

 

The defence is going to face top quality strikers next season so we need as good a GK as we can get.

 

A top class GK could save 10-15 points over a season.

 

If Butland is as good as the hype then I'd fully expect him to challenge KD from day 1.

 

That's probably what NA will say to him too as he's not going to want to come here to sit on the bench.

Turkish

Turkish

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How quickly would Butland likely oust 21 year old, £17 million signing David De Gea?

 

How quickly would Butland likely oust 35 year old Kelvin Davis?

 

If we want him and Man United want him, there is only one place he is going to end up. Deal with it.

RobM

RobM

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Been watching the "Road to the PL" video..September, jeez was KD awful against Forest. Gifted them 2 goals and then should have been sent off and a penalty awarded against us,not the only occasion either, lost us the game at home to Bristol City amongst others.We will be crucified if we start with KD against good sides ithe Premier League, too slow,too badly positioned

doesn't control his box and doesn't anticipate,surely it's number 1 priority.I'd take all that money we're supposed to be offering for

Rodriguez and give it to Green(or someone like that) for a 4 year contract.

 

I really don't disagree that we need another keeper, but this makes it sound like you've forgotten all the points KD saved us last season! KD was our best player on the pitch more than a few times, certainly enough to prove he is a quality keeper and nothing like you're making out. You don't get a place in the Team of the Year if you're as bad this post makes out (beating Green to the place, it should be remembered).

 

We do need another keeper, KD is at the later stages of his career and has, IMO, one possibly two years of competitive top-flight (Prem or Champ) football in him. We need somebody to push him, to become a part of the team and build the all-important relationships he needs.

RinNY

RinNY

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If we want him and Man United want him, there is only one place he is going to end up. Deal with it.

 

I guess it depends whether he wants to spend much of his career sitting on the bench as a backup (ManU already have two top young keepers in DeGea and Lindegaard), or would like to be a starter. Given Davis' age, at Saints he'd be a starter before very long, if he's as good as advertised. Same goes for ManC's reported interest: does Butland want a career as Joe Hart's backup? I suspect not. The real alternative to us is more likely to be Spurs, who are also said to be interested: there he would have a real prospect of starting before too long.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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I guess it depends whether he wants to spend much of his career sitting on the bench as a backup (ManU already have two top young keepers in DeGea and Lindegaard), or would like to be a starter. Given Davis' age, at Saints he'd be a starter before very long, if he's as good as advertised. Same goes for ManC's reported interest: does Butland want a career as Joe Hart's backup? I suspect not. The real alternative to us is more likely to be Spurs, who are also said to be interested: there he would have a real prospect of starting before too long.

 

 

 

Man U and Man City would both loan him out. It's not like he'd just be scrubbing boots.

 

And highly likely he could end up loaned to a prem team as part of that development.

 

And players are optimists. If Man U want him Butland isn't going to think "well they don't really want me, I'll just be back up forever". He would sign with the expectation to be United's number one in time.

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Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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I'd quite like to see us get Courtois in on loan from Chelsea, especially now Cech has a new 4 year deal.

 

would be a good move, Belgians are all the fashion nowadays,wonder how long it will take Chelsea to realise that Hazard isn't worth 40 million £ though.Anyone could look good in the French 1st division,it's a pretty poor league.

ottery st mary

ottery st mary

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I must admit that his appearance at Wembley, was my first real viewing of Hazard.

 

Although I am not an expert:rolleyes: thought he was average and not the magical player I was expecting.

 

Then again real football experts have watched him and paid 30/40 million for his services.

 

Not sure he would get in the Saints side before Deano;)

 

As usual , like many other times he will turn out to be a superstar and prove me wrong...:blush:

 

Butland looks a good prospect ......but surely will end up at a big club and loaned out for the season..

 

NOT..that we are a small club:p

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modern matron

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Been watching the "Road to the PL" video..September, jeez was KD awful against Forest. Gifted them 2 goals and then should have been sent off and a penalty awarded against us,not the only occasion either, lost us the game at home to Bristol City amongst others.We will be crucified if we start with KD against good sides ithe Premier League, too slow,too badly positioned

doesn't control his box and doesn't anticipate,surely it's number 1 priority.I'd take all that money we're supposed to be offering for

Rodriguez and give it to Green(or someone like that) for a 4 year contract.

 

What a silly post! KD was outstanding last season and is a dead cert to start in the prem next season in my view. Jack Buckland is a novice who is one for the future not the present and as for Green he made lots more errors than KD as my hammers supporting brother would tell you! As for not controlling his box and yor other criticisms he played almost as a sweeper, and was key to us playing out from the back. I am not really surprised at the negativity in your post about a great goalkeeper and loyal servant as it seems fashionable to be over critical...

david in sweden

david in sweden

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As others have said, I can see him coming to Saints.... but on loan for the season from Man Citeh or similar.

 

a place in the Prem.. is reputed to be worth £60 - 90million and it would be a brave manager who would buy him with any sort of guarantee of a first team spot - given his lack of League experience and the cost of relegation.

 

IF ....I was a manager buying him to play in the Prem. I'd want a stone wall defence in front of him - just in case.

St Marco

St Marco

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Not sure if it's just me but I think You should only get a call up if your playing well now. I get the whole he will be good one day thing and will maybe provide competition for Hart eventually but that isn't now. A guy who has no top flight experience against top flight opposition shouldn't be anywhere near the national squad for a major tournament.

 

What happened to earning your right to be there? Sure guys like Kelvin are old but on merit surely he should be ahead of players like that?

 

The kid should not get a call up until he has at least played some champions league games. Going from league 2 to international level is a massive jump. Imagine the other two get injured and he is thrown into the deep end. The pressure on him will be emense. Look what happened to Carson when he was put in goal at the last Euros when he made the mistake against Croatia. The media destroyed him and now he plays in Turkey.

 

At Major tournaments you should not be taking along guys like him as its a huge gamble. Try him out in friendlies that is what they are for.

david in sweden

david in sweden

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Not sure if it's just me but I think You should only get a call up if your playing well now.

A guy who has no top flight experience against top flight opposition shouldn't be anywhere near the national squad for a major tournament.

At Major tournaments you should not be taking along guys like him as its a huge gamble. Try him out in friendlies that is what they are for.

 

 

I agree totally St Marco, but in truth a third choice keeper rarely gets a place on the bench, but perhaps like Theo Walcott in the 2006 World Cup, "going along for the ride" is a good way to introduce someone to the bigtime, without having to rely on his skill (or lack of it) at international level.

david in sweden

david in sweden

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,wonder how long it will take Chelsea to realise that Hazard isn't worth 40 million £ though.QUOTE]

 

based on his " non-showing" in the friendly against England.. about 90 minutes. It must have been Abrahamovitch's personal signing, as Chelsea have no "official " manager. Would you let a " caretaker manager " spend £40 million - on one player?

Don't know if he was saving himself, or trying not to get injured..but thought he was fairly unimpressive and not worth anywhere near that - even compared to Carroll.

stevy777_x

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I must admit that his appearance at Wembley, was my first real viewing of Hazard.

 

Although I am not an expert:rolleyes: thought he was average and not the magical player I was expecting.

 

Then again real football experts have watched him and paid 30/40 million for his services.

 

Not sure he would get in the Saints side before Deano;)

 

As usual , like many other times he will turn out to be a superstar and prove me wrong...:blush:

 

Butland looks a good prospect ......but surely will end up at a big club and loaned out for the season..

 

NOT..that we are a small club:p

 

I ve watched him for 3 seasons now in the French League, Hazard is the mustard. Won't take him long to adapt to the Premier League. This guy is a class act.

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