S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2013 Posted 2 January, 2013 Although I agree with the sentiment, simply quoting a Birmingham fan is meaningless. There could be someone on the brum board quoting Alpine Saint. You're right, football fans are funny creatures. These comments are probably at the heat of the moment after he'd made the error anyway, which clouds any previous good stuff he's done. Interestingly, only 2 days ago, he was being talked up as a £10m player by the same fans.
Thedelldays Posted 2 January, 2013 Posted 2 January, 2013 You're right, football fans are funny creatures. These comments are probably at the heat of the moment after he'd made the error anyway, which clouds any previous good stuff he's done. Interestingly, only 2 days ago, he was being talked up as a £10m player by the same fans. but he is still making these very bad errors.....hmmmm
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2013 Posted 2 January, 2013 but he is still making these very bad errors.....hmmmm I think he'll be a very good keeper, but he doesn't feel right for me at the moment. If he does sign, I hope he goes on and becomes our number 1 for years and answers all our questions, but it just feels - in our situation at the mo - a real gamble in an area which we've already gambled on twice.
the stain Posted 2 January, 2013 Posted 2 January, 2013 I'd rather not risk £6m on an unproven goalie.
The Kraken Posted 2 January, 2013 Posted 2 January, 2013 Quick google search throws up this thread on one of their forums: http://www.smallheathalliance.com/read.php?1,1111569 "Is Butland the most overrated player in Blues history?" Its a mixed bag of answers. This one sticks out for me: "Butland is potentially the best keeper in the world. At the moment though there are gaps in his game, he's learning his trade with us. He's nowhere near the finished article, but how can we expect him to be at 19?"
Turkish Posted 2 January, 2013 Posted 2 January, 2013 Quick google search throws up this thread on one of their forums: http://www.smallheathalliance.com/read.php?1,1111569 "Is Butland the most overrated player in Blues history?" Its a mixed bag of answers. This one sticks out for me: "Butland is potentially the best keeper in the world. At the moment though there are gaps in his game, he's learning his trade with us. He's nowhere near the finished article, but how can we expect him to be at 19?" you can't beat mongboards can you. Everything from potentially the best keeper in the world to the most overrated player in Birminghams history.
The Kraken Posted 2 January, 2013 Posted 2 January, 2013 you can't beat mongboards can you. Everything from potentially the best keeper in the world to the most overrated player in Birminghams history. My guess is that Butland's true ability level lies somewhere in between those two yardsticks. Just my guess though. Seriously though; I'd have enormous reservations about this signing. If Boruc had turned out to be in his Celtic prime then it would make more sense. But we're crying out for an experienced and reliable head in there, Butland isn't it for me. And quite where it would leave Gazzaniga is a guess; fairly small transfer fee but significant enough nonetheless, and it looks like he'd be the third choice keeper. Very odd.
Turkish Posted 2 January, 2013 Posted 2 January, 2013 My guess is that Butland's true ability level lies somewhere in between those two yardsticks. Just my guess though. Seriously though; I'd have enormous reservations about this signing. If Boruc had turned out to be in his Celtic prime then it would make more sense. But we're crying out for an experienced and reliable head in there, Butland isn't it for me. And quite where it would leave Gazzaniga is a guess; fairly small transfer fee but significant enough nonetheless, and it looks like he'd be the third choice keeper. Very odd. My thoughts entirely. I've no doubt he's potentially very good. Just not what we need right now.
hypochondriac Posted 2 January, 2013 Posted 2 January, 2013 My guess is that Butland's true ability level lies somewhere in between those two yardsticks. Just my guess though. Seriously though; I'd have enormous reservations about this signing. If Boruc had turned out to be in his Celtic prime then it would make more sense. But we're crying out for an experienced and reliable head in there, Butland isn't it for me. And quite where it would leave Gazzaniga is a guess; fairly small transfer fee but significant enough nonetheless, and it looks like he'd be the third choice keeper. Very odd. Indeed. Would only really make sense if we got rid of boruc and Davis and signed butland and another older keeper. Not going to happen though so as I said I hope we know what we are doing.
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2013 Posted 2 January, 2013 Indeed. Would only really make sense if we got rid of boruc and Davis and signed butland and another older keeper. Not going to happen though so as I said I hope we know what we are doing. There is talk of Gazza being sent to Birmingham on loan as part of the deal. Does make me question the Gazza deal if I'm honest, slightly. We clearly wanted Butland in the summer, when it came apparent we couldn't sign him we looked for another good young keeper instead. I think we'd have been a bit more sensible getting in an experienced head, and then trying in January for Butland - as we're doing anyway.
hypochondriac Posted 2 January, 2013 Posted 2 January, 2013 There is talk of Gazza being sent to Birmingham on loan as part of the deal. Does make me question the Gazza deal if I'm honest, slightly. We clearly wanted Butland in the summer, when it came apparent we couldn't sign him we looked for another good young keeper instead. I think we'd have been a bit more sensible getting in an experienced head, and then trying in January for Butland - as we're doing anyway. Butland is only really going to come here if he is first choice. I'm not sure he is the answer for this season though.
Badger Posted 2 January, 2013 Posted 2 January, 2013 Butland is only really going to come here if he is first choice. I'm not sure he is the answer for this season though. Well, he will be. For the first three games, then he'll have to share his turn with the other two or three until one of them falls out of favour.
The Kraken Posted 2 January, 2013 Posted 2 January, 2013 Butland is only really going to come here if he is first choice. I'm not sure he is the answer for this season though. He should be, yes. But given that we've already spent £7M and £3.5M on two players who aren't considered first choice players, anything could happen.
trousers Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Simon Peach @SimonPeach Nigel Adkins has confirmed #SaintsFC will NOT be bringing in a new goalkeeper this month.
jayrivers Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Simon Peach @SimonPeach Nigel Adkins has confirmed #SaintsFC will NOT be bringing in a new goalkeeper this month. In the chelsea pre-match interview thing on saints player he said Gazza is one for the future, Kelvin has been tremendous and will always have a big role to play at the club, Boruc has impressed massively in training. But now he needs to make a decision as to who he is going to give a good run of games to
Colinjb Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Simon Peach @SimonPeach Nigel Adkins has confirmed #SaintsFC will NOT be bringing in a new goalkeeper this month. Remember, he denied interest in Maya Yoshida. 7 days later....
JackanorySFC Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 I hope we're spending the entire week rolling the ball back to Boroc at varying angles/ speeds with players closing him down and getting him to lace it every time! Cannot remember seeing a keeper with such an inability to clear the ball before....
Matthew Le God Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Looks like it will be Boruc for the rest of the season and Gazzaniga in the future.
itchen_dan Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Nixon re: Adkins comments today and Butland. reluctantnicko: @gregvul Again. That would be odd considering a call and meeting that has gone on this week.
Crab Lungs Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Good. Complete waste of time and money IMO. This.
Dazza82 Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Nixon re: Adkins comments today and Butland. reluctantnicko: @gregvul Again. That would be odd considering a call and meeting that has gone on this week. Driving down the transfer fee?
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Looks like it will be Boruc for the rest of the season and Gazzaniga in the future. or gazza may never play again and just go out on loan, be average, sold off to a league 1/lower NPC team quite why people are so certain gazzaniga will be a premier league standard keeper is beyond me
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 or gazza may never play again and just go out on loan, be average, sold off to a league 1/lower NPC team quite why people are so certain gazzaniga will be a premier league standard keeper is beyond me Because every player we have is GUARANTEED to get better. Every one of them has had the words 'is young and will improve' following their name this season at some point. It will definitely happen. Like it did with Ryan Smith, Jake Thompson, Lee Molyneux etc.
Bearsy Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 quite why people are so certain gazzaniga will be a premier league standard keeper is beyond me Adkins said he is "the future of this football club".
Saint_clark Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 or gazza may never play again and just go out on loan, be average, sold off to a league 1/lower NPC team quite why people are so certain gazzaniga will be a premier league standard keeper is beyond me No-ones certain, but we're not exactly going to make plans now for him being a failure are we? What are we supposed to do, sign another 2 or 3 keepers the same age for the future just in case?
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Adkins said he is "the future of this football club". he also told us jonno quick had a future with us
Bearsy Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 he also told us jonno quick had a future with us Did he?
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 No-ones certain, but we're not exactly going to make plans now for him being a failure are we? What are we supposed to do, sign another 2 or 3 keepers the same age for the future just in case? no not at all....just love the way people go on about gazza will play in the future...when..? not in the next 2 seasons I doubt... I bet he will go on loan...do OK and then be sold off in the next few years to barnsley, blackpool, sheff united level....whilst we sign someone miles better assuming we stay up of course...even if we dont, could never imagine him being any good in the NPC next season
Matthew Le God Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 or gazza may never play again and just go out on loan, be average, sold off to a league 1/lower NPC team quite why people are so certain gazzaniga will be a premier league standard keeper is beyond me Nigel Adkins thinks he is the "future for Southampton Football club" and also says he thinks he could represent Argentina at senior level. He is in a more informed position to make such a judgement than anyone on this forum. Of course you could accuse him of lying and not really believing in such a statement, are you?
The Kraken Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 No-ones certain, but we're not exactly going to make plans now for him being a failure are we? What are we supposed to do, sign another 2 or 3 keepers the same age for the future just in case? If Butland does indeed sign then that would be Cropper, Gazzaniga and Butland all signed in the past 6 months; all 20 years old or younger. So you're pretty much spot on there if it goes through, yep.
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Nigel Adkins thinks he is the "future for Southampton Football club" and also says he thinks he could represent Argentina at senior level. He is in a more informed position to make such a judgement than anyone on this forum. Of course you could accuse him of lying and not really believing in such a statement, are you? he may also be wrong.....he big'd up jonno quick quite a bit he may well be...but so many young keepers are going to be the nuts and rarely do
Saint_clark Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 he also told us jonno quick had a future with us No he didn't.
corky morris Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 I remember the PR boy at Saints saying that there had been no approach for Jay Rod on twitter. I challenged him about it & he moved ever so slightly. Problem was I have a client who is on Burnley's board who confirmed there had indeed been discussions. Saints & Adkins will deny almost everything until the deal is signed. We dont like competition.
Dig Dig Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Difficult for Adkins to say we will sign another keeper in public, he's got three others thay he may need to use until Butland did indeed sign. Pinch of salt and all that.
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Nigel Adkins thinks he is the "future for Southampton Football club" and also says he thinks he could represent Argentina at senior level. He is in a more informed position to make such a judgement than anyone on this forum. Of course you could accuse him of lying and not really believing in such a statement, are you? Because Nigel Adkins has never, ever overstated a players ability before, has he.
jayrivers Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Difficult for Adkins to say we will sign another keeper in public, he's got three others thay he may need to use until Butland did indeed sign. Pinch of salt and all that. The one thing that he very strongly hinted as was him wanting Davis to stay on in a coaching role. Hopefully this might happen?
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 he may also be wrong.....he big'd up jonno quick quite a bit he may well be...but so many young keepers are going to be the nuts and rarely do What's Chris Kirkand up to these days?
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 The one thing that he very strongly hinted as was him wanting Davis to stay on in a coaching role. Hopefully this might happen? Would be a good move. Seems to be very well respected as a player and a good proffesional, just not a premier league goalkeeper.
The Kraken Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 What's Chris Kirkand up to these days? Still in trauma and recovery from the wounds inflicted from that vicious assault by the Leeds thug.
Dig Dig Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 The one thing that he very strongly hinted as was him wanting Davis to stay on in a coaching role. Hopefully this might happen? It would be good although can't see Davis wanting to step into a coaching role just yet. He said he has unfinished business in the prem but I think time has run out for him.
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Still in trauma and recovery from the wounds inflicted from that vicious assault by the Leeds thug. Scott Carson?
batterseasaint Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Weighing up the 'evidence', I suggest this is what happened: - Brum made it clear they want to offload Butland. - We probably made a below par bid, on the basis that we have higher priorities, but if we can get him at a good price, it might be worth it. - Brum said no. - so we put it into the public domain that we aren't after a keeper. Don't want to seem too keen. And actually, we probably aren't that keen that we would pay the current asking price. - see how Brum fare in trying to offload him elsewhere. His other suitors seem to be Everton, who have no money, and Liverpool, who have Reina. I guess they are much in the same boat as us; they would take him, but at the right price. - on Jan 30th, if he hasn't gone elsewhere, repeat the same bid and see what happens. If they haven't managed to scrape together cash from sales by then, they could be a bit desperate.
The9 Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 he may also be wrong.....he big'd up jonno quick quite a bit he may well be...but so many young keepers are going to be the nuts and rarely do Well, he definitely said he was "fast" at least once when we were in League One, but didn't we have a lengthy discussion about how useful pure pace with no accompanying skill is ? I don't recall him saying that much positive other than that he was "Johnno quick", and it all has to be viewed through the prism of "good for League One" anyway.
The9 Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 I remember the PR boy at Saints saying that there had been no approach for Jay Rod on twitter. I doubt we'd do any transfers via twitter. We're not Newport County and/or Lincoln.
The9 Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Weighing up the 'evidence', I suggest this is what happened: - Brum made it clear they want to offload Butland. - We probably made a below par bid, on the basis that we have higher priorities, but if we can get him at a good price, it might be worth it. - Brum said no. - so we put it into the public domain that we aren't after a keeper. Don't want to seem too keen. And actually, we probably aren't that keen that we would pay the current asking price. - see how Brum fare in trying to offload him elsewhere. His other suitors seem to be Everton, who have no money, and Liverpool, who have Reina. I guess they are much in the same boat as us; they would take him, but at the right price. - on Jan 30th, if he hasn't gone elsewhere, repeat the same bid and see what happens. If they haven't managed to scrape together cash from sales by then, they could be a bit desperate. Seems feasible.
Window Cleaner Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Weighing up the 'evidence', I suggest this is what happened: - Brum made it clear they want to offload Butland. - We probably made a below par bid, on the basis that we have higher priorities, but if we can get him at a good price, it might be worth it. - Brum said no. - so we put it into the public domain that we aren't after a keeper. Don't want to seem too keen. And actually, we probably aren't that keen that we would pay the current asking price. - see how Brum fare in trying to offload him elsewhere. His other suitors seem to be Everton, who have no money, and Liverpool, who have Reina. I guess they are much in the same boat as us; they would take him, but at the right price. - on Jan 30th, if he hasn't gone elsewhere, repeat the same bid and see what happens. If they haven't managed to scrape together cash from sales by then, they could be a bit desperate. Back in the summer I told you all that Pienaar was going back to Everton because I knew it to be a fact. Nonsense, everybody cried, they've no money. As it happens they did, they have loads of the stuff and not much debt relatively speaking, probably less than us. They like to maintain the myth that they have no money, keeps the fans from getting over greedy and prospective players from doing the same.
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 everton said they had no money last january and signed jelevic...didnt they?
trousers Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 everton said they had no money last january and signed jelevic...didnt they? It's amazing what you can finance with a loan from the British Virgin Islands...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 everton said they had no money last january and signed jelevic...didnt they? They did indeed, sold a Russian bloke though.
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