Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Unless Gazza is on his way out, I would say Robinson is a better bet at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Unless Gazza is on his way out, I would say Robinson is a better bet at the moment. I don't think he's out, but he's certainly not ready (yet) for Premier League. Let's have four weeks of Boruc .....then decide about Robinson or ..someone else, but not Butland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Offer £5million for him and Curtis Davies. I wonder if other clubs interest is spin to try and drive his value up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I don't think he's out, but he's certainly not ready (yet) for Premier League. Let's have four weeks of Boruc .....then decide about Robinson or ..someone else, but not Butland. Having watched both Butland for Team GB and Gazza this season there is not much difference! Butlands kicking is abysmal as well and another rookie keeper is not what we need now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 @gordonsimpson: If #saintsfc still want Jack Butland then the £6m bid they had rejected in the summer may do the job in Jan, acc to B'ham chief Peter Pannu. No chance. They don't have a pot to p*ss in since their owner's assets were seized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Butland is no better than Gazza, especially for £6m if true. Oh for another Antii Niemi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Butland is no better than Gazza, especially for £6m if true. ´ Oh for another Antii Niemi.[/QUOTE] ......even on loan would be nice. What a great keeper he was...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the scud Posted 1 January, 2013 Share Posted 1 January, 2013 Sounds like he has made another mistake v Cardiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 1 January, 2013 Share Posted 1 January, 2013 I would offer them £3m plus Davis. They haven't got a pot to p*ss in and would probably take half the £6m they're banging on about in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 1 January, 2013 Share Posted 1 January, 2013 My god....Boruc looks a complete and utter liability! Why the hell is this useless p***k playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 1 January, 2013 Share Posted 1 January, 2013 My god....Boruc looks a complete and utter liability! Why the hell is this useless p***k playing? He has a case of the nerves, he's not ****. Lets just see how the next 75% of the match go shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 1 January, 2013 Share Posted 1 January, 2013 do we really want a keeper from the team 20th in the Champs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 January, 2013 Share Posted 1 January, 2013 Not sure he's the answer, yet. Would be happy with a loan GK for for 6 months, then go for him in the summer. But if we really want him, then to be honest we may find ourselves in a situation where it's this window or no window. Tough one. I think he's going to be class, and obviously so do the club, it's just when to go for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 1 January, 2013 Share Posted 1 January, 2013 Sounds like he has made another mistake v Cardiff That's about 7-8 for the season Sounds like he makes quite a few "uncharacteristic errors" like Reina, Schwarzer etc... yet they still have an amazing reputation. He'll probably be a half-decent Ben Foster clone eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 January, 2013 Share Posted 1 January, 2013 I've been against the idea of signing (Butland) since day 1....I didn't think that was Prem.class.....and all the press about him and Team GB .etc .....drove everyone mad. Now that Brum are struggling....and very short of cash.....I 'm beginning to think again. IMHO....just now ....he's no better than Gazzaniga....but thats not to say he's no good to us. It seems likely (to me) that this will be KD's last season.......and so... we have a month to see how Artur Boruc works out, and he may be good enough to see out the rest of the season.. IF......we are so close to signing Butland (as the papers suggest)...and Liverpool and Everton aren't going to bother..then WHY NOT? Butland and Gazzaniga both have a lot more to learn......and I don't think either is Prem.right yet ..but ....in a year or two we'd have TWO top-class young keepers vying for the top spot...not such a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 1 January, 2013 Share Posted 1 January, 2013 I've been against the idea of signing (Butland) since day 1....I didn't think that was Prem.class.....and all the press about him and Team GB .etc .....drove everyone mad. Now that Brum are struggling....and very short of cash.....I 'm beginning to think again. IMHO....just now ....he's no better than Gazzaniga....but thats not to say he's no good to us. It seems likely (to me) that this will be KD's last season.......and so... we have a month to see how Artur Boruc works out, and he may be good enough to see out the rest of the season.. IF......we are so close to signing Butland (as the papers suggest)...and Liverpool and Everton aren't going to bother..then WHY NOT? Butland and Gazzaniga both have a lot more to learn......and I don't think either is Prem.right yet ..but ....in a year or two we'd have TWO top-class young keepers vying for the top spot...not such a bad idea. Why not? Because money is always a finite resource and £Xm on Butland means that much less money is available to spend on others areas of the squad that could also do with strengthening. If memory serves we spent £3m on Mayuka and have hardly used him - £3m that might have got us a better keeper that the three we now have and seen has less perilously placed in the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 Really don't think But land is a good purchase at £6m. Why not wait until Brum drop into L1? He'll be available for £1-2m then. Buy Robinson now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 (edited) Why not? Because money is always a finite resource and £Xm on Butland means that much less money is available to spend on others areas of the squad that could also do with strengthening. If memory serves we spent £3m on Mayuka and have hardly used him - £3m that might have got us a better keeper that the three we now have and seen has less perilously placed in the table. TBH....... it's the first time I've been open to the idea of even considering buying Butland....but of course £6 mill. or will it be five? is still a lot of money. My reasons are stated above. I've previously written that we need players in other areas, but the backbone need to be there......Goalie, CB and CF. If anyone really knows about our finances it's Cortese....and he's surely sees the figs. for £60 million...or was it £70 million...or more ? TV sponsorship money and he surely knows that survival means ...another similar sum next season ...come what may....so maybe it's not SO much after all. You have to invest to see results and I'm afraid that many people seem to think that £3million is a lot of money, it is ...... but it's not so much in the Prem. nowadays. Maybe having a £4 million transfer record..... (from 11 years ago)..... seems to blind some to the fact that inflation has been in the football world for the last decade, too As for your complaint about Mayuka....(or anyone else you choose)....when you reply to this ..please tell us WHO you would drop from the present team selection ..in order to play him? Edited 2 January, 2013 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 We will offer about £3m + £2m in add ons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 We will offer about £3m + £2m in add ons ......I had roughly the same idea, no-one else seems interested at present and Brum are desperate for cash. As long as L'pool and Everton are getting favourable results, there won't be many other takers...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 For all those who dont want Butland as he has made a few mistakes - Can you name a suitable alternative (that hasnt made a mistake this season)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 For all those who dont want Butland as he has made a few mistakes - Can you name a suitable alternative (that hasnt made a mistake this season)? However you look at it, signing a really young keeper is a gamble in our position especially if we put him straight in the first team. I would be nervous and I don't think he is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 We will offer about £3m + £2m in add ons That would be acceptable to me, whilst I'm not sure he is the answer for now, he has potential to be a top class keeper and in a few years the fee could look like a steal, I mean how much would clubs pay now for a Hart, Cassillas, Buffon etc?. If we can afford it AND get the players we need in other areas then it's a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 However you look at it, signing a really young keeper is a gamble in our position especially if we put him straight in the first team. I would be nervous and I don't think he is the answer. That would be acceptable to me, whilst I'm not sure he is the answer for now, he has potential to be a top class keeper and in a few years the fee could look like a steal, I mean how much would clubs pay now for a Hart, Cassillas, Buffon etc?. If we can afford it AND get the players we need in other areas then it's a no brainer. Ive not actually watched him in a full game so know little about him - have you watched him and what in particular worries you about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 Ive not actually watched him in a full game so know little about him - have you watched him and what in particular worries you about him? I've watched quite a lot of highlights and seen a number of errors that have cost goals. In the premiership that sort of thing would be even worse. IMO we need an experienced and reliable keeper even of its just for the short term. Butland will most likely be a decent keeper but he isn't what we need now to help us stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 Ive not actually watched him in a full game so know little about him - have you watched him and what in particular worries you about him? I've seen a few championship games and the olympics games, he has the all the attributes to be a top keeper but he makes errors, so his experience is obviously lacking and the mental side of his game might not be up to scratch. He's more likely than any of our current keepers to pull off a sensational save, but he's just as likely to kick the ball straight to an opponent or flap at a cross etc, just like our current keepers have done. I'm not against signing him but I think given a longer run in the team, a match fit Boruc will be more reliable because he has more presence/experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 However you look at it, signing a really young keeper is a gamble in our position especially if we put him straight in the first team. I would be nervous and I don't think he is the answer. I have to say I agree with this, I think he will make a top top keeper but he isnt ready yet, and likely to make a few more clangers, it must be difficult though playing for a Brum team that is so short on confidence right now. We are a bit stuck really, as there are no real viable alternatives unless you break the bank, Friedel is the only one screaming at me. Robinson and Given must not be options as they havnt played in ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benali Saint Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 If Butland is to sign, would Gazza go on loan to Brum? Would give him valuable experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 Is he really the answer to everything? I've only really seen him in the Olympics, and yeah fair enough he looked a decent prospect there. But is he really that much than Gazza to command such a fee? Is there much point in having two very good prospects, as surely one is only likely to stifle the others progress. Still think an experienced, commanding keeper is more what we are in need of right now. Someone for now, not the future. Feels a bit odd saying that, I am usually 100% behind the forward thinking recruitment policy, but in this situation I really think someone for now is what is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 Is he really the answer to everything? I've only really seen him in the Olympics, and yeah fair enough he looked a decent prospect there. But is he really that much than Gazza to command such a fee? Is there much point in having two very good prospects, as surely one is only likely to stifle the others progress. Still think an experienced, commanding keeper is more what we are in need of right now. Someone for now, not the future. Feels a bit odd saying that, I am usually 100% behind the forward thinking recruitment policy, but in this situation I really think someone for now is what is necessary. A forward thinking recruitment policy is one that mixes future potential with experience. As in the way we did with Steven Davis, and as I'm sure was the intention with Boruc. Boruc has sadly turned out to be an expensively overweight and out of form gamble, and perhaps a result of a panic buy and a lack of scouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 We had problems with goalies a few seasons back until Richard Wright arrived on loan. You could tell immediately that he was solid, good and gave the rest of the team confidence. We need that level of solidity immediately and for me Butland is not the answer. I haven't seen enough of Boruc to decide whether he's that person but from the Arsenal game I think not. Davis isn't. I've been impressed with Gazza and think he will become a very good, exciting keeper in the next few seasons but we really do need solidity now. Those calling for someone like Friedel short-term were sensible in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 A forward thinking recruitment policy is one that mixes future potential with experience. As in the way we did with Steven Davis, and as I'm sure was the intention with Boruc. Boruc has sadly turned out to be an expensively overweight and out of form gamble, and perhaps a result of a panic buy and a lack of scouting. well, he certainly wasn't " Saints fit " when he arrived, but if we play him thoughout January, then we get a better idea of his potential value to the club ...before the end of the window . I think KD's remaining games can be numbered, but I'm still not happy about Gazzaniga's immediate future as an alternative Prem. keeper....not yet anyway. Who would you play in goal ...when we go to Old Trafford ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 If Butland is to sign, would Gazza go on loan to Brum? Would give him valuable experience Hopefully he stays there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 well, he certainly wasn't " Saints fit " when he arrived, but if we play him thoughout January, then we get a better idea of his potential value to the club ...before the end of the window . I think KD's remaining games can be numbered, but I'm still not happy about Gazzaniga's immediate future as an alternative Prem. keeper....not yet anyway. Who would you play in goal ...when we go to Old Trafford ? Ideally a new keeper. If there is no new keeper that arrives then Boruc; he's the best of a bad bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 well, he certainly wasn't " Saints fit " when he arrived, but if we play him thoughout January, then we get a better idea of his potential value to the club ...before the end of the window . I think KD's remaining games can be numbered, but I'm still not happy about Gazzaniga's immediate future as an alternative Prem. keeper....not yet anyway. Who would you play in goal ...when we go to Old Trafford ? All three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 All three? perhaps so Norm,but holding riot shields in front of them. Happy New Year to you and family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 Thank you, David. All the best for 2013. Will you come over to see us in the FA Cup Final ? ps, how is the log cabin coming along? Stopped for the winter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 (edited) I know its only Twitter blah blah blah but alot of people (not agents, not reporters.) tweeting that we've signed him or are very close to signing him. Don't know how genuine or valid but thought I'd post and provide an update. In a way, I do want him but dont want him because of lack of experience and wont add to squad at the moment. Edited 2 January, 2013 by itchen_dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 I know its only Twitter blah blah blah but alot of people (not agents) tweeting that we've signed him. Don't know how genuine or valid but thought I'd post and provide an update. In a way, I do want him but dont want him because of lack of experience and wont add to squad at the moment. I'm with you on your last bit, for me - he's one for the summer provided we stay up. What we need now is a 6month loan of someone like Given, Friedel, Steklenburg or the like. But as I said on another thread, the club obviously want him, and transfers are often dictated by the situation of the selling club. It could be that this window is the best opportunity for us to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 I'm with you on your last bit, for me - he's one for the summer provided we stay up. What we need now is a 6month loan of someone like Given, Friedel, Steklenburg or the like. But as I said on another thread, the club obviously want him, and transfers are often dictated by the situation of the selling club. It could be that this window is the best opportunity for us to get him. Agree. Summer was the wrong the time. Price started relatively cheap then rocketed after Olympics and Euros. Half a season experience behind him at a good level, getting plenty of practice (poor Brum defence) and now just may the right time to jump in and steal him at the cheapest price yet. In the summer, he'll be in high demand with a full season at Champ level under his belt, potentially more call ups to the England set up and Birmingham potentially in League 1 and admin if they continue the way they're going. He could be even cheaper then but would be too risky waiting that long as so many top clubs will be interested and we wouldnt stand a chance. Seems quite a similar deal to Sturridge at Liverpool. Wanted him in summer, price was too much, tried loan, waited until January, slightly cheaper and would've been in high demand in summer for even cheaper price most probably. January can be a very good transfer window but clubs often get their pants pulled down by selling clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 reluctantnicko: @danbsfc Think reality is that Southampton have the money and the interest to do it now. Liverpool and Everton only have the interest. Also forgot to mention this earlier today. We jumped from 3rd or 4th to odds-on favourites to sign Butland in this window. Bookies don't often get things wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 It's a risk if true. I hope we know what we are doing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 Get him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 Ignore me - for the time being! reluctantnicko: @danbsfc There is a Southampton interest. But there is NO deal as we speak. Pass that on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 http://www.smallheathalliance.com/read.php?1,1123877 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 Get him in. Wouldn't you be a bit worried though that if he is making mistakes in the npc that he will do similar in the premiership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 From a birmingham fan: Butland's shown flashes of brilliance, but he's also shown flashes of ineptitude. He might eventually become as good as he's projected to be, but at this stage he's barely as good as Boaz Myhill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 reluctantnicko: @danbsfc Think reality is that Southampton have the money and the interest to do it now. Liverpool and Everton only have the interest. Also forgot to mention this earlier today. We jumped from 3rd or 4th to odds-on favourites to sign Butland in this window. Bookies don't often get things wrong. FYI 9/4 is not odds on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 From a birmingham fan: Butland's shown flashes of brilliance, but he's also shown flashes of ineptitude. He might eventually become as good as he's projected to be, but at this stage he's barely as good as Boaz Myhill. Although I agree with the sentiment, simply quoting a Birmingham fan is meaningless. There could be someone on the brum board quoting Alpine Saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 January, 2013 Share Posted 2 January, 2013 Terrible mistake in his last home game for us. Ta ra Jack, you butter fingered fecker Boaz Myhill would be getting pelters had he turned in a few of these type of performances last season. Is Butland the most overrated player in Blues history? err Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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