SaintNeil90 Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Human being in making mistake shocker……… And not the first time he has done it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 still can't say I was over-impressed when watching Butland's England debut. I thought £6 mill. sounded a lot...Brum's claim that he's worth £18 mill. is pure fantasy. It can be argued that he (Butland) didn't have much chance with the Italian goal, though he was several yards off his line, but I was much more impressed by Ruddy's two great saves after the break. Did you watch any of team GB's matches? He was phenomenal against Brazil. Plus, he's only 19! Not sure why we're still discussing it, he ain't coming here any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Young keeper under a lot of pressure, wouldnt worry about it too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 I'd take him in a heartbeat. He'll go for a lot more than £6m in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Whoops. 2 howlers from Butland, 2 goals against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Whoops. 2 howlers from Butland, 2 goals against. I like a little Schadenfreude, be funny as hell if he turns out to be complete bobbins in 6 months and his valuation has plummeted and Brum get a little money wobble that 7months earlier £6m could have papered over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 .....good also to see that Saints didn't pursue that particular deal to a doomed conclusion, especially when their manager was talking £18 million at one stage. I stand by my original comments on #601, two weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 I like a little Schadenfreude, be funny as hell if he turns out to be complete bobbins in 6 months and his valuation has plummeted and Brum get a little money wobble that 7months earlier £6m could have papered over.How many young 'star of the future keepers' have we seen disappear. I recall only a season or so ago Peterboros keeper was the new starlet. Their confidence can be broken too easily, bart being another example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Ill stick my neck out now and say hell be of the Hart mould in the future, writing a keeper off after one bad game is pathetic IMHO If it turns into consista t howlers over a few games ok, but of course a young under pressure player loses his head after his first howler. Id take him in an instant Nb - not for 18m though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Ill stick my neck out now and say hell be of the Hart mould in the future, writing a keeper off after one bad game is pathetic IMHO If it turns into consista t howlers over a few games ok, but of course a young under pressure player loses his head after his first howler. Id take him in an instant Nb - not for 18m thoughyou cant write him off after 1 game, but whilst a good game makes his value seem to jump it soon comes back into reality after a poor one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 He was never worth 18m and Brum knew what they thought his value was before the Olympics anyways The lad had a big rep in the game already and in all honesty I thought that 6m for him would have been a steal. I reckon a bid of around 10-12 would seal it, ok if you have that sort of cash sat around but Id rather get a wide man and a CB first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartarus112 Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Just by way of comparison Hugo Lloris would probably cost less than the £18m Brum are asking for. Probably out of our reach with Spurs having already made a bid but shows what you can get for that sort of money. We'd be mad to bid more than £8-10m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 How many young 'star of the future keepers' have we seen disappear. I recall only a season or so ago Peterboros keeper was the new starlet. Their confidence can be broken too easily, bart being another example. I never thought Bart was any good - and he certainly wasn't lauded in the media like Butland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 He was never worth 18m and Brum knew what they thought his value was before the Olympics anyways The lad had a big rep in the game already and in all honesty I thought that 6m for him would have been a steal. I reckon a bid of around 10-12 would seal it, ok if you have that sort of cash sat around but Id rather get a wide man and a CB first. .well... he had a big rep. in L2, and as an U21 keeper before he tried out for England , and I wasn't too impressed then either. How long before he's dropped as first choice keeper at Brum ?..... I can hear the manager now ......" he's had a hard summer, and played in team GB ...and for England,.and club(s) bidding ridiculous sums for him ... it's a lot to expect from a 19.y.o. he's a great prospect but were going to let him develop slowly .......yeah, yeah, yeah.... [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 ....Is ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 ....Is ****. I assume you've just looked at the Barnsley score? He kept that score down fwiw. Will be a very good keeper, but still learning the ropes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I'm happy with what we have now, Gazzanigga will offer us something different from other keepers as he gets that ball upfield very quickly & Boruc reminds me of our very own Niemi. We also have a future GK coach in Kelvin as he's Saints through & through like Jaidi. Current players need these breeds around the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I assume you've just looked at the Barnsley score? He kept that score down fwiw. Will be a very good keeper, but still learning the ropes. yes but you know ...if he had been at Saints ...with a scoreline like that ....he'd be in line behind Tommy Forecast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Just seen these goals. Butland had no chance. the parting of the Red Sea had nothing on Birmingham's defence when Craig Davies had the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGF Posted 18 October, 2012 Share Posted 18 October, 2012 Here we go again!! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2219431/Jack-Butland-Everton-Southampton-radar-Birmingham-consider-sale.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DSportsmail%2BReporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 18 October, 2012 Share Posted 18 October, 2012 Can't see us wanting him now, think that one died when we brought in Gazza. Probably just lazy journalism seeing as though we bid for him in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 18 October, 2012 Share Posted 18 October, 2012 Can't see us wanting him now, think that one died when we brought in Gazza. Probably just lazy journalism seeing as though we bid for him in the summer. Precisely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 18 October, 2012 Share Posted 18 October, 2012 No thanks gazza is a fine backup we have no problems with GK anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 18 October, 2012 Share Posted 18 October, 2012 Lol he hasn't even been all that good. If he is a million then maybe but Gazza has solved they young keeper crisis by being really good so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 18 October, 2012 Share Posted 18 October, 2012 Can't see us wanting him now, think that one died when we brought in Gazza. Probably just lazy journalism seeing as though we bid for him in the summer. what a good job Brum were so greedy they didn't want to sell him......I'm still not 100% on Gazza, but am certainly glad that it isn't Butland with his current record. As if being 4th of bottom of the Prem. isn't uncomfortable enough ......have you seen where Brum are in the Championship? .....being fairly good in the England U21 side isn't an automatic recommendation for a place in the full England side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Not convinced that he is the answer, although I can't say I've seen that much of him but... http://www.teamtalk.com/southampton/8338540/Lee-Clark-says-Birmingham-s-Jack-Butland-worth-substantial-figure Sounds like a 'come and make a bid' from Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Boruc was a brilliant move, wasn't he? Would like to see Butland at St Mary's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Not convinced that he is the answer, although I can't say I've seen that much of him but... http://www.teamtalk.com/southampton/8338540/Lee-Clark-says-Birmingham-s-Jack-Butland-worth-substantial-figure Sounds like a 'come and make a bid' from Clark. By the reckoning of that article, £6 million wasn't enough in the summer and they now think he is worth more so that;s surely pushing the price up to closer £10 million. Can't see us spending that much on a keeper and I can't see that he is worth it. Pretty sure Liverpool are favourites to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 I'm not sure really, but it's certainly a 'give us so much and we're willing to sell' I reckon £7/8m would get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 give them Boruc and £4m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 He will be a top top keeper and if we didnt need reinforcements elsewhere Id welcome the club spending that sort of cash, we do however need reinforcements elsewhere and 10 mill will go a long way towards plugging some gaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 He will be a top top keeper and if we didnt need reinforcements elsewhere Id welcome the club spending that sort of cash, we do however need reinforcements elsewhere and 10 mill will go a long way towards plugging some gaps. Agreed. 10m buys you a lot of CB or DM. If all other positions are filled, if we've removed some deadwood from the books and we still have a spare 7-10m burning a hole in our pockets, snap him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 I do like him as a keeper, I've seen a fair bit of him when I have been able to - mainly because of our interest in him, so i've taken more attention of him. Very confident, very agile, leads from the back and communicates very well. I've seen him pull off some complete stunning saves in some games, and then do a silly pass out from the back in others - he's young, and those mistakes from the start of the year are now few and far between. He's become a very consistent top championship keeper. If i'm honest, it should wait until the summer as he will cost a fair sum (and then he's got another 6 months experience in him). Would rather we concentrate our January budget on top quality CB's. If we stay up, then we'll be in a better position to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 for people who think that £12 million was wasted on Ramirez.....(I don't) ....surely cannot concede that such sums would be well spent on ..... Butland ! I'll take an older experienced keeper at this stage...I really can't see Butland coming good.....regardless of where he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 I do like him as a keeper, I've seen a fair bit of him when I have been able to - mainly because of our interest in him, so i've taken more attention of him. Very confident, very agile, leads from the back and communicates very well. I've seen him pull off some complete stunning saves in some games, and then do a silly pass out from the back in others - he's young, and those mistakes from the start of the year are now few and far between. He's become a very consistent top championship keeper. If i'm honest, it should wait until the summer as he will cost a fair sum (and then he's got another 6 months experience in him). Would rather we concentrate our January budget on top quality CB's. If we stay up, then we'll be in a better position to get him. Thing is young keepers are always a risk for big fees, look at the likes of Wright, Kirkland, Craig Gordon, maybe De Gea. Whilst I like the idea of us shelling out for highly rated young prospects, especially those coveted by big clubs, I thik currently with experienced keepers like Freidel, Robinson, Given around for low fees, spending £8-10 million on a keeper is a waste for us when we need quality in other areas that will likely cost a lot more. Maybe if we stay up then a new bid in the summer might be a better time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 Butland is no better than Gazza IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 Some people talk of Robinson in the came breath as Freidel and Given, no thank you, what we have is better and fitter than fat Robinson. And why Butland? its experience we need not youth, Gazza will be as good as Butland given a little bit of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 @GraemeBailey: "My sources tell me Butland will definitley NOT be a Birmingham player next season" Good stuff from @Dorselator http://t.co/I6TcDYvK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 @GraemeBailey: "My sources tell me Butland will definitley NOT be a Birmingham player next season" Good stuff from @Dorselator http://t.co/I6TcDYvK I read the chat - basically says that Liverpool and Evertona re among the clubs keen. His representatives want to sort out a Prem team for him but one where he will play as a first choice. My opinion is that we signed Gazza instead of Butland. NA clearly rates him and he has loads of potential. The same reasons people wanted Gazza dropped apply to Butland, he is young, inexperienced and makes errors. The difference is he costs 6m to Gazza's 1m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 (edited) I read the chat - basically says that Liverpool and Evertona re among the clubs keen. His representatives want to sort out a Prem team for him but one where he will play as a first choice. My opinion is that we signed Gazza instead of Butland. NA clearly rates him and he has loads of potential. The same reasons people wanted Gazza dropped apply to Butland, he is young, inexperienced and makes errors. The difference is he costs 6m to Gazza's 1m. This! Based on his performances this year we were right not to take Butland. Definatly one for the future but not ready for the BPL. Edited 19 December, 2012 by Saint Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 gazza has been a bit of a disaster....i would be amazed if butland came in and made so many school boy errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 gazza has been a bit of a disaster....i would be amazed if butland came in and made so many school boy errors This. Have people forgotten how bad he was? In that run of games - Swansea, QPR, Newcastle, Norwich, we conceded 3 goals that were all his fault, and dropped 4 points because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 @gordonsimpson: If #saintsfc still want Jack Butland then the £6m bid they had rejected in the summer may do the job in Jan, acc to B'ham chief Peter Pannu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 @gordonsimpson: If #saintsfc still want Jack Butland then the £6m bid they had rejected in the summer may do the job in Jan, acc to B'ham chief Peter Pannu.I bet it would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 More on this, from our resident Saints mole....Nixon Birmingham need to sell. Unless there is a takeover. And you are back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 More on this, from our resident Saints mole....Nixon Birmingham need to sell. Unless there is a takeover. And you are back in. @adkinsisourking: @reluctantnicko @crucialguy is butland the answer though? Need a bit of stoke like experience. @reluctantnicko: @adkinsisourking @crucialguy Not sure he is. But your people seem very, very keen ... Seems we could potentially be recruiting our 3rd goalkeeper of the season in January if the price is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Can't believe the Butland story is still around. We must be planning to spend a sh1t-load in January if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 What about Jason Steele at Boro ? Young, solid, english and probably wont cost us 10 mil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 What about Jason Steele at Boro ? Young, solid, english and probably wont cost us 10 mil I think they would want something similar, especially as they are pushing hard for promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 4/5m +sell ons would get Butland IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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