Jack Butland

[SaintNeil90]

Human being in making mistake shocker………

 

And not the first time he has done it either.

[Big_Bald_Si]

still can't say I was over-impressed when watching Butland's England debut. I thought £6 mill. sounded a lot...Brum's claim that he's worth £18 mill. is pure fantasy.

 

It can be argued that he (Butland) didn't have much chance with the Italian goal, though he was several yards off his line, but I was much more impressed by Ruddy's two great saves after the break.

 

Did you watch any of team GB's matches? He was phenomenal against Brazil. Plus, he's only 19!

 

Not sure why we're still discussing it, he ain't coming here any time soon.

[Smirking_Saint]

Young keeper under a lot of pressure, wouldnt worry about it too much

[derry]

I'd take him in a heartbeat. He'll go for a lot more than £6m in time.

[The Kraken]

Whoops.

 

2 howlers from Butland, 2 goals against.

[John Boy Saint]

Whoops.

 

2 howlers from Butland, 2 goals against.

I like a little Schadenfreude, be funny as hell if he turns out to be complete bobbins in 6 months and his valuation has plummeted and Brum get a little money wobble that 7months earlier £6m could have papered over.

[david in sweden]

.....good also to see that Saints didn't pursue that particular deal to a doomed conclusion, especially when their manager was talking £18 million at one stage.

 

I stand by my original comments on #601, two weeks ago

[OldNick]

I like a little Schadenfreude, be funny as hell if he turns out to be complete bobbins in 6 months and his valuation has plummeted and Brum get a little money wobble that 7months earlier £6m could have papered over.

How many young 'star of the future keepers' have we seen disappear. I recall only a season or so ago Peterboros keeper was the new starlet. Their confidence can be broken too easily, bart being another example.

[Smirking_Saint]

Ill stick my neck out now and say hell be of the Hart mould in the future, writing a keeper off after one bad game is pathetic IMHO

 

If it turns into consista t howlers over a few games ok, but of course a young under pressure player loses his head after his first howler.

 

Id take him in an instant

 

Nb - not for 18m though

[OldNick]

Ill stick my neck out now and say hell be of the Hart mould in the future, writing a keeper off after one bad game is pathetic IMHO

 

If it turns into consista t howlers over a few games ok, but of course a young under pressure player loses his head after his first howler.

 

Id take him in an instant

 

Nb - not for 18m though

you cant write him off after 1 game, but whilst a good game makes his value seem to jump it soon comes back into reality after a poor one.

[Smirking_Saint]

He was never worth 18m and Brum knew what they thought his value was before the Olympics anyways

 

The lad had a big rep in the game already and in all honesty I thought that 6m for him would have been a steal.

 

I reckon a bid of around 10-12 would seal it, ok if you have that sort of cash sat around but Id rather get a wide man and a CB first.

[Tartarus112]

Just by way of comparison Hugo Lloris would probably cost less than the £18m Brum are asking for. Probably out of our reach with Spurs having already made a bid but shows what you can get for that sort of money. We'd be mad to bid more than £8-10m

[Danbert]

How many young 'star of the future keepers' have we seen disappear. I recall only a season or so ago Peterboros keeper was the new starlet. Their confidence can be broken too easily, bart being another example.

 

I never thought Bart was any good - and he certainly wasn't lauded in the media like Butland.

[david in sweden]

He was never worth 18m and Brum knew what they thought his value was before the Olympics anyways

The lad had a big rep in the game already and in all honesty I thought that 6m for him would have been a steal.

I reckon a bid of around 10-12 would seal it, ok if you have that sort of cash sat around but Id rather get a wide man and a CB first.

 

 

 

.well... he had a big rep. in L2, and as an U21 keeper before he tried out for England , and I wasn't too impressed then either.

 

How long before he's dropped as first choice keeper at Brum ?.....

 

I can hear the manager now ......" he's had a hard summer, and played in team GB ...and for England,.and club(s) bidding ridiculous sums for him ... it's a lot to expect from a 19.y.o.

 

he's a great prospect but were going to let him develop slowly .......yeah, yeah, yeah....

 

 

 

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[SB]

....Is ****.

[S-Clarke]

....Is ****.

 

I assume you've just looked at the Barnsley score? He kept that score down fwiw.

 

Will be a very good keeper, but still learning the ropes.

[Pilchards]

I'm happy with what we have now, Gazzanigga will offer us something different from other keepers as he gets that ball upfield very quickly & Boruc reminds me of our very own Niemi.

 

We also have a future GK coach in Kelvin as he's Saints through & through like Jaidi. Current players need these breeds around the club.

[david in sweden]

I assume you've just looked at the Barnsley score? He kept that score down fwiw.

 

Will be a very good keeper, but still learning the ropes.

 

 

yes but you know ...if he had been at Saints ...with a scoreline like that ....he'd be in line behind Tommy Forecast!

[krissyboy31]

Just seen these goals. Butland had no chance. the parting of the Red Sea had nothing on Birmingham's defence when Craig Davies had the ball.

[BGF]

Here we go again!!

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2219431/Jack-Butland-Everton-Southampton-radar-Birmingham-consider-sale.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DSportsmail%2BReporter

[Saint Garrett]

Can't see us wanting him now, think that one died when we brought in Gazza. Probably just lazy journalism seeing as though we bid for him in the summer.

[rooney]

Can't see us wanting him now, think that one died when we brought in Gazza. Probably just lazy journalism seeing as though we bid for him in the summer.

 

Precisely

[Aura]

No thanks gazza is a fine backup we have no problems with GK anymore

[pingwing]

Lol he hasn't even been all that good. If he is a million then maybe but Gazza has solved they young keeper crisis by being really good so far

[david in sweden]

Can't see us wanting him now, think that one died when we brought in Gazza. Probably just lazy journalism seeing as though we bid for him in the summer.

 

what a good job Brum were so greedy they didn't want to sell him......I'm still not 100% on Gazza, but am certainly glad that it isn't Butland with his current record.

 

As if being 4th of bottom of the Prem. isn't uncomfortable enough ......have you seen where Brum are in the Championship?

 

.....being fairly good in the England U21 side isn't an automatic recommendation for a place in the full England side.

[Saint Garrett]

Not convinced that he is the answer, although I can't say I've seen that much of him but...

 

http://www.teamtalk.com/southampton/8338540/Lee-Clark-says-Birmingham-s-Jack-Butland-worth-substantial-figure

 

Sounds like a 'come and make a bid' from Clark.

[DT]

Boruc was a brilliant move, wasn't he? Would like to see Butland at St Mary's.

[tajjuk]

Not convinced that he is the answer, although I can't say I've seen that much of him but...

 

http://www.teamtalk.com/southampton/8338540/Lee-Clark-says-Birmingham-s-Jack-Butland-worth-substantial-figure

 

Sounds like a 'come and make a bid' from Clark.

 

 

By the reckoning of that article, £6 million wasn't enough in the summer and they now think he is worth more so that;s surely pushing the price up to closer £10 million. Can't see us spending that much on a keeper and I can't see that he is worth it.

 

Pretty sure Liverpool are favourites to sign him.

[Saint Garrett]

I'm not sure really, but it's certainly a 'give us so much and we're willing to sell' I reckon £7/8m would get him.

[Glasgow_Saint]

give them Boruc and £4m

[Smirking_Saint]

He will be a top top keeper and if we didnt need reinforcements elsewhere Id welcome the club spending that sort of cash, we do however need reinforcements elsewhere and 10 mill will go a long way towards plugging some gaps.

[RobM]

He will be a top top keeper and if we didnt need reinforcements elsewhere Id welcome the club spending that sort of cash, we do however need reinforcements elsewhere and 10 mill will go a long way towards plugging some gaps.

 

Agreed. 10m buys you a lot of CB or DM.

 

If all other positions are filled, if we've removed some deadwood from the books and we still have a spare 7-10m burning a hole in our pockets, snap him up.

[S-Clarke]

I do like him as a keeper, I've seen a fair bit of him when I have been able to - mainly because of our interest in him, so i've taken more attention of him.

 

Very confident, very agile, leads from the back and communicates very well. I've seen him pull off some complete stunning saves in some games, and then do a silly pass out from the back in others - he's young, and those mistakes from the start of the year are now few and far between. He's become a very consistent top championship keeper.

 

If i'm honest, it should wait until the summer as he will cost a fair sum (and then he's got another 6 months experience in him). Would rather we concentrate our January budget on top quality CB's. If we stay up, then we'll be in a better position to get him.

[david in sweden]

for people who think that £12 million was wasted on Ramirez.....(I don't) ....surely cannot concede that such sums would be well spent on ..... Butland !

 

I'll take an older experienced keeper at this stage...I really can't see Butland coming good.....regardless of where he goes.

[tajjuk]

I do like him as a keeper, I've seen a fair bit of him when I have been able to - mainly because of our interest in him, so i've taken more attention of him.

 

Very confident, very agile, leads from the back and communicates very well. I've seen him pull off some complete stunning saves in some games, and then do a silly pass out from the back in others - he's young, and those mistakes from the start of the year are now few and far between. He's become a very consistent top championship keeper.

 

If i'm honest, it should wait until the summer as he will cost a fair sum (and then he's got another 6 months experience in him). Would rather we concentrate our January budget on top quality CB's. If we stay up, then we'll be in a better position to get him.

 

Thing is young keepers are always a risk for big fees, look at the likes of Wright, Kirkland, Craig Gordon, maybe De Gea.

 

Whilst I like the idea of us shelling out for highly rated young prospects, especially those coveted by big clubs, I thik currently with experienced keepers like Freidel, Robinson, Given around for low fees, spending £8-10 million on a keeper is a waste for us when we need quality in other areas that will likely cost a lot more.

 

Maybe if we stay up then a new bid in the summer might be a better time.

[Mowgli]

Butland is no better than Gazza IMO

[Dellman]

Some people talk of Robinson in the came breath as Freidel and Given, no thank you, what we have is better and fitter than fat Robinson. And why Butland? its experience we need not youth, Gazza will be as good as Butland given a little bit of time

[trousers]

@GraemeBailey: "My sources tell me Butland will definitley NOT be a Birmingham player next season" Good stuff from @Dorselator http://t.co/I6TcDYvK

[Saint Charlie]

@GraemeBailey: "My sources tell me Butland will definitley NOT be a Birmingham player next season" Good stuff from @Dorselator http://t.co/I6TcDYvK

 

I read the chat - basically says that Liverpool and Evertona re among the clubs keen. His representatives want to sort out a Prem team for him but one where he will play as a first choice.

 

My opinion is that we signed Gazza instead of Butland. NA clearly rates him and he has loads of potential. The same reasons people wanted Gazza dropped apply to Butland, he is young, inexperienced and makes errors.

 

The difference is he costs 6m to Gazza's 1m.

[Saint Scott]

I read the chat - basically says that Liverpool and Evertona re among the clubs keen. His representatives want to sort out a Prem team for him but one where he will play as a first choice.

 

My opinion is that we signed Gazza instead of Butland. NA clearly rates him and he has loads of potential. The same reasons people wanted Gazza dropped apply to Butland, he is young, inexperienced and makes errors.

 

The difference is he costs 6m to Gazza's 1m.

 

This! Based on his performances this year we were right not to take Butland. Definatly one for the future but not ready for the BPL.

Edited 19 December, 2012 by Saint Scott

[Thedelldays]

gazza has been a bit of a disaster....i would be amazed if butland came in and made so many school boy errors

[Jack]

gazza has been a bit of a disaster....i would be amazed if butland came in and made so many school boy errors

 

This. Have people forgotten how bad he was? In that run of games - Swansea, QPR, Newcastle, Norwich, we conceded 3 goals that were all his fault, and dropped 4 points because of it.

[trousers]

@gordonsimpson: If #saintsfc still want Jack Butland then the £6m bid they had rejected in the summer may do the job in Jan, acc to B'ham chief Peter Pannu.

[OldNick]

@gordonsimpson: If #saintsfc still want Jack Butland then the £6m bid they had rejected in the summer may do the job in Jan, acc to B'ham chief Peter Pannu.

I bet it would

[S-Clarke]

More on this, from our resident Saints mole....Nixon

 

Birmingham need to sell. Unless there is a takeover. And you are back in.

[itchen_dan]

More on this, from our resident Saints mole....Nixon

 

Birmingham need to sell. Unless there is a takeover. And you are back in.

 

@adkinsisourking: @reluctantnicko @crucialguy is butland the answer though? Need a bit of stoke like experience.

 

@reluctantnicko: @adkinsisourking @crucialguy Not sure he is. But your people seem very, very keen ...

 

Seems we could potentially be recruiting our 3rd goalkeeper of the season in January if the price is right.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Can't believe the Butland story is still around. We must be planning to spend a sh1t-load in January if true.

[Smirking_Saint]

What about Jason Steele at Boro ? Young, solid, english and probably wont cost us 10 mil

[Appy]

What about Jason Steele at Boro ? Young, solid, english and probably wont cost us 10 mil

 

I think they would want something similar, especially as they are pushing hard for promotion.

[Saint Garrett]

4/5m +sell ons would get Butland IMO