Verbal Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 That wasn't the question that was asked And no I don't believe it for one moment. But I would answer your question with... So where are Team GB staying & training? (Genuine one that as I have no idea, don't think they will find much space in Stratford) Stratford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 Most unlikely that we would buy two up and coming keepers both aged 20, with only 40 league games between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 I think it's quite likely Butland would come down to take some pics if they knew a deal could be signed shortly but that he'd be away with GB for the next few weeks and wouldn't be able to do the photos after today. But then it was a mate of my wife's who started the story on FB. To be fair the source has some previous ITK too, a few things but I only remember them correctly stating the bubble plans for the Fratton Match (inc departure times). Not sure why her mate was at the ground but she said she recognised him cos "He's fit" or something like that. Was posted late afternoon, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 Possibly because Butland is tied up with Team GB training at the moment and wouldn't have time for a day trip? Also with the players and manager out of the country much longer the only real "Saints iconography" currently in the country for a pic is the Stadium. Seeing as he can't really nick off to Switzerland to shake Nigel's hand when he's tied up with the UK team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 With an extreme price tag and a demand to play premier league football we let go and signed Gazzinga. Butland is history as far as we are concerned. Let's move on. Exactly this. This deal isn't going to happen now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 You may very well be proven right, and like you I was hoping we'd sign him. Whatever happens though, I hope the "we should have signed Butland" issue does not become a stick to beat Gazziniga with. I do agree with you on that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Lucky escape for the boy then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Lucky escape for the boy then. Trying to facilitate a move to Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 2 August, 2012 Share Posted 2 August, 2012 Must say very impressed with the lad last night v Uruguay Can see why a host of clubs are interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 2 August, 2012 Share Posted 2 August, 2012 Must say very impressed with the lad last night v Uruguay Can see why a host of clubs are interested I disagree...first game one of his kicks went straight to the opposition. Not good enough by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 2 August, 2012 Share Posted 2 August, 2012 I disagree...first game one of his kicks went straight to the opposition. Not good enough by a long shot. Trying to work out if you're joking or just stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 2 August, 2012 Share Posted 2 August, 2012 he looks class ...even good enough to be our No1 from the 3 games I've seen him....in seriousness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_disco123 Posted 2 August, 2012 Share Posted 2 August, 2012 I still feel that Gazziniga will be our number 1, I feel hes better then Butland anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 August, 2012 Share Posted 2 August, 2012 I still feel that Gazziniga will be our number 1, I feel hes better then Butland anyway! Hard to make a judgement like that at the moment. I personally think both are very good young keepers with enormous potential, too early to say who will end up being the better of the 2 - they're both no where near the finished article yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 August, 2012 Share Posted 2 August, 2012 is it just me....... or does anyone else think that Butland looks a bit " overvalued" at £6 million ? I watched him in¨the Team GB games and YES he does have talënt ---.but 6 mill ? ..... I think Brum may regret not taking our offer .....if indeed we made one for that value. Let's hope that "Gazza " CDAJFU" instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 2 August, 2012 Share Posted 2 August, 2012 I disagree...first game one of his kicks went straight to the opposition. Not good enough by a long shot. I thought it was quite a short ball not a long shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 Ooooops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 Ooooops The new Joe Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 Ooooops Down to 3m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 Ooooops Ooooops indeed, he should of saved that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 Ooooops indeed, he should of saved that! Yes, did look a bit soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwheeler52 Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 Butland worth 6m, you must be having a laugh seeing that gaff he made tonight!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 It was always going to be the case that this Olympic appearance would determine Butland's value at this moment in time. On his showing, lots of potential, but nothing like the finished article, and worth £3-4 million tops from our transfer budget, and for those reasons I'm out. Time to get in an old sweat with Prem experience as cover for KD and mentoring for Gazza... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Get the feeling he's a bit of a "Hollywood" keeper. Capable of pulling off great reflex saves but falls short of some of the fundamentals of goalkeeping. Nothing wrong with that, they can be taught. He reminds me a bit of Shay Given when he first came through. Great saves but his kicking and concentration were poor. Didn't hold him back though, he developed in to one of the Prem's best ever. The difference is Given was bought for something like £1.5m whereas Butland is looking like he could cost us anything north of £6m. Money better spent elsewhere on the squad in m opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Remember, the money we would have to pay Would make him the 10th most expensive keeper in history of football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 After last nights performance we don't need him. Why the hell didn't he wait until the ball was kicked rather than pre-empt the kicker? Far too many keepers these days dive before the kick and then the 'tater' says 'He was sent the 'wrong way'. Sorry to be so negative but he ain't as good as Gazza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 After last nights performance we don't need him. Why the hell didn't he wait until the ball was kicked rather than pre-empt the kicker? Far too many keepers these days dive before the kick and then the 'tater' says 'He was sent the 'wrong way'. Sorry to be so negative but he ain't as good as Gazza. How many times have you seen both of them play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Does it mean anything at all do ya think that G-Nigga was wearing the old 31 shirt yesterday? I mean rather that Bart's 21? Is they saving that for another keeper? Is G-Nigga gonna be 3rd choice? I'm totally on board with the Butlands tho! I'm a sucker for hype and find myself totally believing he'll be a really top goalkeeper, even after he laid that egg yesterday and didn't get anywhere near them penalties or whatever. But then I read Delldays saying he'll be the 10th most expensive keeper ever, and that seems a bit rich but then I spose that says more bout undervaluing keepers than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 I see people are snapshoting a single performance again, and deciding that's that. You cannot do that, you need to look at the bigger picture. Both are very good young keepers, they will both make absolute howlers and bad decisions. Both are probably at the same level at the moment, but it'll be Interesting to see who goes further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Does it mean anything at all do ya think that G-Nigga was wearing the old 31 shirt yesterday? I mean rather that Bart's 21? Is they saving that for another keeper? Is G-Nigga gonna be 3rd choice? Good question, wasn't Fox number 21 as opposed to his usual 13. It seems as if that number has a vacancy to fill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 August, 2012 Share Posted 6 August, 2012 Good question, wasn't Fox number 21 as opposed to his usual 13. It seems as if that number has a vacancy to fill... The numbers were all over the shop again, Sharp's worn 25 and 26, it's also quite likely that they numbered up the preseason kits when Forecast was still there and just made the keepers 1 and 31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 August, 2012 Share Posted 6 August, 2012 Fwiw I wasn't entirely convinced Butland's effort at Ji's shot was all that bad, it went like a bullet and moved right in front of him. Interesting choice to punch though, seem to be a lot of keepers just deflecting away due to modern balls shifting about. I was more concerned at the one he batted out straight to the striker when he missed the unchallenged open goal rebound tbh. I still think his all round game is excellent and he'd be a great signing for about £5m, he's already better than Kelvin in a lot of areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Most unlikely that we would buy two up and coming keepers both aged 20, with only 40 league games between them. back to the original discussion about no. 2 keeper. I still expect us to sign ... "an experienced, international / Prem. keeper " as... no.2 / back-up / competition to KD. The like of "Gazza" and this Davies lad from Everton (if that happens)....... will fight it out for a season or two until the time that KD leaves his gloves in the drawer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 back to the original discussion about no. 2 keeper. I still expect us to sign ... "an experienced, international / Prem. keeper " as... no.2 / back-up / competition to KD. The like of "Gazza" and this Davies lad from Everton (if that happens)....... will fight it out for a season or two until the time that KD leaves his gloves in the drawer. Its extremely unlikely that we're going to sign another keeper to fight for the number 2 spot. Any new keeper will be a youngster to go into the Development Squad and improve from there IMO. It makes no sense at all to have 3 senior keepers vying for 1 spot, particularly when it is so easy these days to secure an emergency loan keeper (as we have done ourselves in the past few years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Its extremely unlikely that we're going to sign another keeper to fight for the number 2 spot. Any new keeper will be a youngster to go into the Development Squad and improve from there IMO. It makes no sense at all to have 3 senior keepers vying for 1 spot, particularly when it is so easy these days to secure an emergency loan keeper (as we have done ourselves in the past few years). well you taken up the subject Kraken.... but missed my point. Firstly I'm talking about a no. 2 keeper (ala Bart) as back-up/challenger to KD. At present we have only ONE senior keeper ....KD. Even if we sign another... we won't be talking about SENIOR keepers as "Gazza" is only 20 .. (was it ?) and ...theoretically at least, he won't even need to be registered in the 25 squad. If I was NA...... I'd think very carefully about the possibility of going into a Prem. season with only one experienced keeper...(in the event of a serious injury to KD)......what " reliable " keeper could you get..(and for how long) ...who wasn't already signed up with another club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Gazzaniga may be 20 but he's still a senior keeper. Butland is 19 but would have been considered a senior keeper if we had signed him. Why is Gazza different? He will be the competition for Kelvin this year. Emergency loans allow for decent keepers to move very quickly if we need to. I expect Gazza to get League Cup games, development games and if he progresses as expected perhaps even pushing for the first team by the end of the season. There would have been no point at all in buying him just for him to be a 3rd choice keeper, that would be detrimental to his development. As I said, I'd expect any new keeper to be 17 or 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 At present we have only ONE senior keeper ....KD. Even if we sign another... we won't be talking about SENIOR keepers as "Gazza" is only 20 .. (was it ?) and ...theoretically at least, he won't even need to be registered in the 25 squad. You have to register 3 keepers and if you dont then your squad limit is 24 so it doesnt matter if he registered or not unless Saints sign 2 more goalies over 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 ]You have to register 3 keepers[/b] and if you dont then your squad limit is 24 so it doesnt matter if he registered or not unless Saints sign 2 more goalies over 21. as I haven't yet seen confirmation of the Everton lad having signed - that means we have to have one more keeper then .......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Gazzaniga may be 20 but he's still a senior keeper. Butland is 19 but would have been considered a senior keeper if we had signed him. Why is Gazza different? He will be the competition for Kelvin this year. Emergency loans allow for decent keepers to move very quickly if we need to. I expect Gazza to get League Cup games, development games and if he progresses as expected perhaps even pushing for the first team by the end of the season. There would have been no point at all in buying him just for him to be a 3rd choice keeper, that would be detrimental to his development. As I said, I'd expect any new keeper to be 17 or 18. well Kraken, as he's only played half a season for Gillingham.........I don't think that rates him as a candidate for Prem. keeper - or do you ? Of course we'd all like to see him (Gazza) succeed (if /when required,) but I think we're skating on thin ice if anything " goes wrong" with KDs situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 well Kraken, as he's only played half a season for Gillingham.........I don't think that rates him as a candidate for Prem. keeper - or do you ? Of course we'd all like to see him (Gazza) succeed (if /when required,) but I think we're skating on thin ice if anything " goes wrong" with KDs situation. Why not? Jack Butland has played half a season for Shrewsbury Town. Does that rule him out of being a Prem keeper too? If so, why, and until when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire Saint Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Why not? Jack Butland has played half a season for Shrewsbury Town. Does that rule him out of being a Prem keeper too? If so, why, and until when? Butland in fact played for Cheltenham last season, not Shrewsbury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Butland in fact played for Cheltenham last season, not Shrewsbury. Course he did; apologies, my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Why not? Jack Butland has played half a season for Shrewsbury Town. Does that rule him out of being a Prem keeper too? If so, why, and until when? Perhaps not this season, but half a season in L2 (good though he might have been) doesn't exactly qualify (him) for a regular spot as a Prem. keeper. ....and TB(brutally)H ....I wasn't over-impressed by his games for Team GB ....were you ? At the moment, he is still a Brum reserve and will stay so if they (Brum) continue to demand huge fee for his services. He might well go out on loan again, but I wonder if he will even be their regular keeper this (coming) season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Perhaps not this season, but half a season in L2 (good though he might have been) doesn't exactly qualify (him) for a regular spot as a Prem. keeper. ....and TB(brutally)H ....I wasn't over-impressed by his games for Team GB ....were you ? At the moment, he is still a Brum reserve and will stay so if they (Brum) continue to demand huge fee for his services. He might well go out on loan again, but I wonder if he will even be their regular keeper this (coming) season. I don't understand your logic on the amount of games things. Butland is being talked about in terms of multi-millions. A club the size of Saints don't typically buy someone like that for them to sit on the bench. So surely it should be the same for Gazza, no? Answer this. If we bought Jack Butland for £6M (who is 1 year younger than Gazza) would you expect us to buy another keeper so that Butland could be number 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 8 August, 2012 Share Posted 8 August, 2012 (edited) I don't understand your logic on the amount of games things. Butland is being talked about in terms of multi-millions. A club the size of Saints don't typically buy someone like that for them to sit on the bench. So surely it should be the same for Gazza, no? Answer this. If we bought Jack Butland for £6M (who is 1 year younger than Gazza) would you expect us to buy another keeper so that Butland could be number 3? there are several issues here, and we don't seem to share the same view. Firstly, having watched Butland in the Team GB games; I admit he has talent but I don't see him as a Prem. quality keeper. I believe Saints did bid for him, but I'm wondering if anyone else did ?.......and having got a bid from us ....did Brum look at our bank balance and...... with the help of the media .....up the ante beyond £6 mill? Answer : I don't see us going back with a higher bid now, and buying Gazza looks a better deal anyway. Had we bought (Butland) ....I don't think NA would have dropped KD in the first match in favour of Butland - do you ? Butland is surely a talent for the future, but I don't see him (even) as a regular keeper for Brum next season, let alone for a Prem. side. This is merely a g*t reaction, and I have been wrong before. I would still like to see another experienced / former Prem./ type keeper as no.2 (for KD). If Kelvin (God forbid) got injured... I wouldn't want to throw in Gazza permanently ... or have to try experimenting with loan keepers for half a season. Edited 8 August, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 August, 2012 Share Posted 8 August, 2012 (edited) You have to register 3 keepers and if you dont then your squad limit is 24 so it doesnt matter if he registered or not unless Saints sign 2 more goalies over 21. Good knowledge, that explains the existence of Brian Murphy in QPR's squad then. I was surprised how few teams managed to use all 25 until I saw how many U-21s most of them had listed. http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/squad-lists/squad-lists-february-2012.pdf I look forward to the ill-informed rants about us not having filled our 25 in a few weeks' time... Edited 8 August, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 The 19-year-old keeper had no chance. He actually acquitted himself well during is 45-minute stint before being replaced by John Ruddy, the first time England have had two debut-making goalkeepers in a game since Joe Corrigan and Jimmy Rimmer in 1976. Butland must have enjoyed the sight of two England fans’ flags in particular, Cheltenham Town and Birmingham City. There were also two for Southampton, who have offered £6m for him. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/9478434/England-2-Italy-1-match-report.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 August, 2012 Share Posted 16 August, 2012 still can't say I was over-impressed when watching Butland's England debut. I thought £6 mill. sounded a lot...Brum's claim that he's worth £18 mill. is pure fantasy. It can be argued that he (Butland) didn't have much chance with the Italian goal, though he was several yards off his line, but I was much more impressed by Ruddy's two great saves after the break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Just gifted Sheffield Wednesday a goal. Flapped at a cross and put it straight into the path of a Wednesday player to put into an open goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Human being in making mistake shocker……… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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