Guly Article

[Saint86]

Really? i thought he was utter ****e against better defences and midfielders, cant header or tackle and doesn't close down fast enough or track back, he's got good vision but the prem is way out of his league. Cup games only im afraid. Lee, lambo, sharp and possibly Jay Rod will be main strikers, and Lallana, Morgan, Cork will be ahead of him that leaves one last spot, a spot that he struggled in, the right midfield which im sure will goto someone with pace and a box to box type player.

 

Always those with abusive language attack him! Did you not see him track back against Coventry at the final game, even when the game was won he was chasing and keeping up the pressure. One of our best players that day. And he was playing half the season in right midfield which is not his position, i feel he did well most of the time. I mean for gods sake, people are yelling at a striker for not being a heroic central defender in one game against a team that got what was coming to them anyway. We didn't draw with skates in 2 games because of just one player did we, its ridiculous! He's been with us for the whole journey, scored some crucial goals, and some crackers, and he netted double figures last season. When you look at some of the **** we have had its mental that people attack him all the time. Good lord, maybe you would like stern john or bradley wright philips back?

[Mowgli]

I watched the Coventry game again this week and was surprised to see Guly playing a role in 3 of the 4 goals. His contribution to the first was amazing. Almost MLT style. Never thought he would step up from div 1 and pleased to be proved wrong. Seem to recall Cortese saying something very similar at one of the dinners. Was reluctant to make the loan permanent but was persuaded by his staff

[Clifford Nelson]

The poor guy's only enemies are a bunch of fans who appear to appreciate sweat, toil and endeavour as the only yardstick for a footballer, apart from possibly love for the badge. If NA picks him it is because he is good enough for what it is NA wants him to do. It also appears that the players are appreciating him as an exceptional talent. Why is it so difficult to accept that?

 

If Guly is rubbish, then so is NA for picking him, but I don't hear that being shouted by people in the stands. I hope we can sober up when it come to Guly and support him next season. That would help him repeating those performances when his talent has shone.

[St Marco]

I don't want to slag the guy off as it's wrong to do that to your own players.

 

But in all honesty I don't think he will be good enough for the PL.

First off what position will he play? He lacks pace and seeing as the PL is played at 300mph where the winger has to get back to defend I can't see him being able to play that role. Imagine if he was up against guys like Theo,Nani,Lennon,Chambo,Bale,Silva,Nasri,Mata,Hazard etc etc. He will struggle to keep up with those guys, they will breeze past him. But when it is the other way around will he be able to get past them? I don't think so.

 

If he plays up front then he will do much better. He has a presence about himself and could do well if we need to revert to pump it long into the box style.

 

My main concern though is he goes missing in games a lot. If you have a bad game in the PL you get punished. You can't carry any players and for the second half of last season he was carried a lot. Which is okay if you have a strong squad in the division and you have quality players who will step up. But in the PL we will have one of the weakest teams as of right now.

 

So as a fan of the club I think everyone should support him. But I would be surprised if he plays much. If we use him as a winger like we did last season then we are in deep **** imo.

[toe_punt]

Are you lot mad?

 

He is utter c r a p. The only Brazillian on the planet with no touch whatsoever.

 

Did he score a single goal after Christmas?

Jos scored more - and better - goals than Guly in the second half of the season.

Can't pass, won't tackle, weak shot, can't head the ball. Too lazy to even be a headless chicken.

[dune]

Are you lot mad?

 

He is utter c r a p. The only Brazillian on the planet with no touch whatsoever.

 

Did he score a single goal after Christmas?

Jos scored more - and better - goals than Guly in the second half of the season.

Can't pass, won't tackle, weak shot, can't head the ball. Too lazy to even be a headless chicken.

 

Well said.

[miserableoldgit]

Are you lot mad?

 

He is utter c r a p. The only Brazillian on the planet with no touch whatsoever.

 

Did he score a single goal after Christmas?

Jos scored more - and better - goals than Guly in the second half of the season.

Can't pass, won't tackle, weak shot, can't head the ball. Too lazy to even be a headless chicken.

Yes, I wonder what the manager who has got us two automatic promotions in two seasons is thinking about!! Obviously knows nothing about football and is having the wool pulled over his eyes, whereas you, who are obviously the fount of all football knowledge has seen through him.

[Window Cleaner]

FWIW Guly scored 3 after Christmas including the 2 that enabled us to beat Palace

[ant]

Are you lot mad?

 

He is utter c r a p. The only Brazillian on the planet with no touch whatsoever.

 

Did he score a single goal after Christmas?

Jos scored more - and better - goals than Guly in the second half of the season.

Can't pass, won't tackle, weak shot, can't head the ball. Too lazy to even be a headless chicken.

 

You forgot to say that he lacks creativity and almost never manages to make a valuable contribution in the build-up to a goal.

 

What is it that causes such vitriol towards one of our own players? Not saying that criticism is a bad thing, but it goes far beyond that with Guly when he's made a scapegoat for everything.

 

It's a complete myth that he lacks a decent workrate. Perhaps when he first came to England that was true but our coaching team have sorted it big-time. Whenever he's played at RM now he really puts a shift in tracking back and covering Richardson/Butterfield when they're maruading forward.

 

Can't pass? He's probably got one of the best touches in the squad. Again, for some reason Guly is vilified for a couple of passes going astray in a match, whereas our golden boys such as Lallana and Lambert get off scot-free. The slate's wiped clean when they pull off a bit of magic, so why not for Guly?

 

He lacked goals in the latter half of the season but created many. Anyway, 11 strikes for the season wasn't it? Not a bad return in anyone's books (better than a good few teams' leading men), especially for a guy mostly played out of position on the flank.

[miserableoldgit]

You forgot to say that he lacks creativity and almost never manages to make a valuable contribution in the build-up to a goal.

 

What is it that causes such vitriol towards one of our own players? Not saying that criticism is a bad thing, but it goes far beyond that with Guly when he's made a scapegoat for everything.

 

It's a complete myth that he lacks a decent workrate. Perhaps when he first came to England that was true but our coaching team have sorted it big-time. Whenever he's played at RM now he really puts a shift in tracking back and covering Richardson/Butterfield when they're maruading forward.

 

Can't pass? He's probably got one of the best touches in the squad. Again, for some reason Guly is vilified for a couple of passes going astray in a match, whereas our golden boys such as Lallana and Lambert get off scot-free. The slate's wiped clean when they pull off a bit of magic, so why not for Guly?

 

He lacked goals in the latter half of the season but created many. Anyway, 11 strikes for the season wasn't it? Not a bad return in anyone's books (better than a good few teams' leading men), especially for a guy mostly played out of position on the flank.

Good post, but sadly facts will never get in the way of a good "scapegoating".

[St Marco]

Yes, I wonder what the manager who has got us two automatic promotions in two seasons is thinking about!! Obviously knows nothing about football and is having the wool pulled over his eyes, whereas you, who are obviously the fount of all football knowledge has seen through him.

 

To be fair you have to remember a lot of the players we have were bought with playing in league one in mind. Guly is without a doubt one of them. I cannot imagine Pardew/Adkins brought him in as they saw him as a PL player. He is a league one/championship player at best. I'm sure as the transfer window goes on we will see more players brought in who will replace a lot of the players who were here in league one.

[sammysaint]

His work rate needs improving, at RW ot behind the striker you need to work hard, this is why i think CM would be decent for him he done well when he came on vs Reading there.

[Stu Man Do]

I remember at one game this season some lads in front of me giving him abuse after 2 minutes ... problem was it wasn't even him making the mistake. Its the tool mentality at the Northam end of the ground at work again. Guly misplaces a pass he's the worst player ever, Lalana does and its bad luck. FWIW I think he is a decent player although perhaps not as consistent as we would all like. He's played a valuable part in our rise up the leagues and for that I think he deserves a far greater level of respect than some on here and at games give him credit for. He may not be upto it in the prem but then again who would have predicted Norwich and Swansea players stepping upto the mark so well last season, more to the point Nathan Dyer is a premier league player ... Who wouldda thought it!

[Thedelldays]

would we buy Guly if he was available to us this summer

 

 

not a chance in hell

[Faz]

We will need players in the PL who are capable of doing something different. He is one of those.

[The Cat]

I remember at one game this season some lads in front of me giving him abuse after 2 minutes ... problem was it wasn't even him making the mistake. Its the tool mentality at the Northam end of the ground at work again. Guly misplaces a pass he's the worst player ever, Lalana does and its bad luck. FWIW I think he is a decent player although perhaps not as consistent as we would all like. He's played a valuable part in our rise up the leagues and for that I think he deserves a far greater level of respect than some on here and at games give him credit for. He may not be upto it in the prem but then again who would have predicted Norwich and Swansea players stepping upto the mark so well last season, more to the point Nathan Dyer is a premier league player ... Who wouldda thought it!

 

It's not just the Northam. I'm in the Kingsland and quite a few people around me give him abuse for no reason. Also happens at away games too.

 

There really are a lot of Saints fans who don't rate him at all. I'm not one of them though, I think he's ok and has done a decent job for the team and made many vital contributions.

[bowers-sfc]

I honestly look forward to saying " I told you he would be class for us in the PL "

 

I think he will be a key player for in the Pl, hes good when he has time, and you get more time in the premier league.

[Thedelldays]

would you all be happy with the following players..

 

Nugent

marlon king

carlton cole

paul taylor

kevin nolan

zigic

kenny miller

 

 

all scored more than guly andy no doubt, get more space (like guly) in the prem..?

[ericb]

would you all be happy with the following players..

 

Nugent

marlon king

carlton cole

paul taylor

kevin nolan

zigic

kenny miller

 

 

all scored more than guly andy no doubt, get more space (like guly) in the prem..?

 

If wages weren't an issue i'd happily take Kevin Nolan to be honest, better than some of what we have in that position and played in the prem already.

 

As for Guly i was a big fan in league one & the champ' thought he was a good creative player who scored goals and created too. Don't think he's good enough for the prem' but then i tend to think a lot of our squad aren't & without a lot of investment/luck we'll struggle.

 

So the gamble is let someone like Guly go on the basis that we sign someone on higher wages in the hope we stay up, or give some of our players the opportunity to prove they're good enough.

 

That's the poisoned chalice of the prem' though isn't it? Change the side to stay up & fu.ck it up & we end up with a lot of problems financially again & our better players leaving anyway. Go with what we've got, struggle and maybe go down again, and then have to face our better players still going but in a financially sounder position.

 

Of course we'll be pushing europe/champions league so this won't be an issue, but it does worry me.

[miserableoldgit]

To be fair you have to remember a lot of the players we have were bought with playing in league one in mind. Guly is without a doubt one of them. I cannot imagine Pardew/Adkins brought him in as they saw him as a PL player. He is a league one/championship player at best. I'm sure as the transfer window goes on we will see more players brought in who will replace a lot of the players who were here in league one.

I for one have never said that he is brilliant or our best player, but he deserves far more credit than some of "football experts" give him on here and in the ground. I do think that he is capable of doing a decent job for us in the Prem, although once again I am sure that we could find someone better. I just think that he needs to be treated fairly and there are too many on here that won`t do that.

[CWD]

Next season he'll be allowed to have Guly on his shirt instead of do prado. Even more reason to love the guy IMO.

[shurlock]

would you all be happy with the following players..

 

Nugent

marlon king

carlton cole

paul taylor

kevin nolan

zigic

kenny miller

 

 

all scored more than guly andy no doubt, get more space (like guly) in the prem..?

 

How many of those played in midfield most of the time?

[Thedelldays]

How many of those played in midfield most of the time?

that is a good point

 

god help us if Guly plays midfield when we are in the prem

[Noodles34]

Dont think anyone accused of not rating Guly is a WUM, surely people are okay to post an opposite opinion?

As for 'scapegoating', correct me if i am wrong, but you would use that term in blaming someone when things go wrong, we've been promoted, how can anyone be scapegoat.

Personally think MS is the most technical player we have , followed closely by AL. GUly reminds me of Waigo, could offer you something out of the blue but you might have to wait a while and miss a few. I dont think he deserves a starting place, and those who think that he will better in the PL, how can that be? The PL from 8 teams down is pretty much equal to the top 8 in the Championship, it does not make sense.

Maybe he is worth a shot in the PL, I mean, despite what that article states, have we really had any enquiries for him? So, given that he is signed on with us, I suppose it is worth seeing if he can cut it, personally I think not. It will be hard enough playing with 11 men against the likes of City and Utd, let alone having Guly noncheantly wondering about the pitch looking bored.

[Clifford Nelson]

In consequence of Guly being picked most of the time we must reasonably have an appalling manager! Who is this blind and befuddled idiot? He's only taken us through two consecutive promotions, so what does he know?! Adkins out!

[Turkish]

I am no big fan of Guly... But I honestly think he will look better in the Prem than in the last two seasons. Same with Morgan.

 

Why on earth would a player look better in the premier league than in league one?

[Saint Charlie]

Why on earth would a player look better in the premier league than in league one?

 

Grant Holt did. Lambert and Morgan both looked better in CCC than L1...

[Turkish]

Grant Holt did. Lambert and Morgan both looked better in CCC than L1...

 

The difference being of course were both very good in League one and the championship. Morgan is young and learning so always going to improve. Why is Guly, who has done nothing since before christmas, suddenly going to become great by going UP a level?

[miserableoldgit]

The difference being of course were both very good in League one and the championship. Morgan is young and learning so always going to improve. Why is Guly, who has done nothing since before christmas, suddenly going to become great by going UP a level?

[Jonnyboy]

would we buy Guly if he was available to us this summer

 

 

not a chance in hell

 

 

That would apply to most of our team.

[georgeweahscousin]

Are you lot mad?

 

He is utter c r a p. The only Brazillian on the planet with no touch whatsoever.

 

Did he score a single goal after Christmas?

Jos scored more - and better - goals than Guly in the second half of the season.

Can't pass, won't tackle, weak shot, can't head the ball. Too lazy to even be a headless chicken.

 

Based on this, I can only assume you have never seen him play and are jumping on the "hate Guly" bandwagon?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

In consequence of Guly being picked most of the time we must reasonably have an appalling manager! Who is this blind and befuddled idiot? He's only taken us through two consecutive promotions, so what does he know?! Adkins out!

 

Nonsense.

 

Guly's repeated selection in the face of numerous lackluster performances does however point to Nigel Adkins being even less impressed with the contributions of alternative players such as Jason Puncheon or Steve De Ridder.

 

ps - As for Guly being nearly as good as Matt Le Tissier - Care in the Community has a lot to answer for!

[Turkish]

 

Please explain? What has he done since Christmas? All his good performances and goals, with the exception of the odd one here and there came before christmas. I'm a Guly fan and I've argued with fans at home and away games in defence him. However i dont undrstand the logic that a player who has been struggling at time in the championship is suddenly going to become brilliant when they go up a level.

[georgeweahscousin]

Please explain? What has he done since Christmas? All his good performances and goals, with the exception of the odd one here and there came before christmas. I'm a Guly fan and I've argued with fans at home and away games in defence him. However i dont undrstand the logic that a player who has been struggling at time in the championship is suddenly going to become brilliant when they go up a level.

 

Man of the match against Coventry.

 

The style of play is different in the Premier League to the lower leagues. Guly is technically very good. With the added time and space you get at the higher level, he is the type of player, along with Schneiderlin who will thrive.

 

At times this season I saw Guly do things that would go wrong because actually some of our other players weren't on his wavelength, the crowd would blame Guly for it going wrong, when actually he was guilty of nothing more than expecting too much of a team mate. He became a scapegoat. When Lambert missed a chance, the crowd would say things like "Unlucky Rickie", Guly then misses a more difficult chance and get's a torrent of abuse.

 

I had to bite my tongue on more than one occasion in the Kinglsand, as the abuse of Guly became both more ridiculous and unfair, and worse still, bordering on racist.

 

I would start with Lambert and Guly up top in the Premier League with every confidence. We need more technically gifted players, not blood and thunder players.

[dune]

Notice how all the Guly lovers only talk about the Coventry game from the 2nd half of last season.

[georgeweahscousin]

Notice how all the Guly lovers only talk about the Coventry game from the 2nd half of last season.

 

He had a quieter second half of the season, that I I will admit.

 

But.... This coincided with the crowd getting on his back, and being played on the wing more. He is a forward.

 

Fact is, in terms of ability, he is starting eleven from our squad. Without doubt.

[dune]

No way. We can't afford to play with 10 men next season. He's like Le Tissier minus the talent.

[georgeweahscousin]

No way. We can't afford to play with 10 men next season. He's like Le Tissier minus the talent.

 

If we had Le Tissier in League One and the Championship you would probably be saying the same things about him....

[dune]

If we had Le Tissier in League One and the Championship you would probably be saying the same things about him....

 

No I wouldn't. Le tissier had skill, Guly doesn't. He's a donkey.

[georgeweahscousin]

No I wouldn't. Le tissier had skill, Guly doesn't. He's a donkey.

 

Too many jubilee pimms?

[dune]

Too many jubilee pimms?

 

Nope, i've seen Guly play badly and make no effort too many times.

[CB Fry]

Man of the match against Coventry.

 

The style of play is different in the Premier League to the lower leagues. Guly is technically very good. With the added time and space you get at the higher level, he is the type of player, along with Schneiderlin who will thrive.

 

 

 

This kind of thing is said a lot but it's just bo llocks isn't it.

 

Why will Everton or Man City let us tap it around all day? Why are the likes of Crystal Palace and Leicester more adept at stopping us playing than Stoke or Newcastle?

[Turkish]

I find it hilarious people claim te higher up you go the more time and space you get. If that was the case then everyone with a crap first touch would thrive in the premier league, they'd have plenty of time to make up for it as they get more

Time on the ball, apparently!!!! Guess what, the beat defenders are the best defenders because they can snap a striker in half AND play, or Do you really think the likes of Vidic and Kompany are great defenders because they stand off and allow players MORE time on the ball?!! Or is it that in top flight players touch, pace and skill level is better so their ability allows them more time?

 

As I said above I'vw defended Guly and have no problem with him but let's not delude ourselves into think he's going to be so much better playing against world class defenders because they'll all stand off him and let him play.

[georgeweahscousin]

It is simple logic.

 

The higher the division, the higher calibre of player, the more comfortable on the ball, the more the ball is under control, the less charging around there is. Therefore the more technically gifted players who end up playing at lower levels will look better in the Premier League as they have the time and space to use the ball as they would like.

 

The likes of Charlie Adam are deemed crap in the SPL, then do well in the Premier League? Why? More time and space.

 

We will encounter more teams who play football like us than we did in the Championship.

 

What Adkins has to do better with players like Guly, is know when to play them, and when not. Guly shouldn't have been in the team at Fratton for instance.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

He had a quieter second half of the season, that I I will admit.

 

But.... This coincided with the crowd getting on his back, and being played on the wing more. He is a forward.

 

Fact is, in terms of ability, he is starting eleven from our squad. Without doubt.

 

Blaming the fans for a players shortcomings is as unconvincing a argument today as it ever was. In any case criticism directed at this player from the stands has - from the Chapel anyway - been sporadic and limited to a small minority.

 

If you mean by technical ability that he can (on occasion) do things with a football that are truly inspired and result in a 'game changing' effect then I agree with you. Unfortunately doing that every now and again for half a season, when your general play is often substandard, is just not good enough at Premier League level.

 

Guly's role as a striker was more or less finished when Lee & Billy Sharp arrived in January. With the prospect of even better forwards (such as J Rodriguez) signing this summer he will soon be even further down the order in all probability. So if he's not going to be a regular forward and many of his most ardent admirers agree that playing on the wing is not really his forte, then the question is what good is he to us anymore?

 

To answer my own question - little more than a cover player I'd have thought.

Edited 4 June, 2012 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE

[georgeweahscousin]

Blaming the fans for a players shortcomings is as unconvincing a argument today as it ever was. In any case criticism directed at this player from the stands has - from the Chapel anyway - been sporadic and limited to a small minority.

 

If you mean by technical ability that he can (on occasion) do things with a football that are truly inspired and result in a 'game changing' effect then I agree with you. Unfortunately doing that every now and again for half a season, when your general play is often substandard, is just not good enough at Premier League level.

 

Guly's role as a striker was more or less finished when Billy Sharp arrived in January. With the prospect of even better forwards (such as J Rodriguez) signing this summer he will soon be even further down the order in all probability. So if he's not going to be a regular forward and many of his most ardent admirers agree that playing on the wing is not really his forte, then the question is what good is he to us anymore?

 

To answer my own question - little more than a cover player I'd have thought.

 

Fair enough, but if it was up to me, he would be ahead of Sharp up front.

[dune]

This kind of thing is said a lot but it's just bo llocks isn't it.

 

Why will Everton or Man City let us tap it around all day? Why are the likes of Crystal Palace and Leicester more adept at stopping us playing than Stoke or Newcastle?

 

Don't ask. If some people think premier league defenders will let him play more they are utterly clueless.

[CB Fry]

It is simple logic.

 

The higher the division, the higher calibre of player, the more comfortable on the ball, the more the ball is under control, the less charging around there is. Therefore the more technically gifted players who end up playing at lower levels will look better in the Premier League as they have the time and space to use the ball as they would like.

 

The likes of Charlie Adam are deemed crap in the SPL, then do well in the Premier League? Why? More time and space.

 

We will encounter more teams who play football like us than we did in the Championship.

 

Not logic. Just wishful thinking.

 

Man City and Man United will close us down and stop us playing far more effectively than, say, Blackpool. Blackpool, funnily enough, "play football like us" and we, errr, struggled like hell against them.

 

Funny that.

[Turkish]

It is simple logic.

 

The higher the division, the higher calibre of player, the more comfortable on the ball, the more the ball is under control, the less charging around there is. Therefore the more technically gifted players who end up playing at lower levels will look better in the Premier League as they have the time and space to use the ball as they would like.

 

The likes of Charlie Adam are deemed crap in the SPL, then do well in the Premier League? Why? More time and space.

 

We will encounter more teams who play football like us than we did in the Championship.

 

What Adkins has to do better with players like Guly, is know when to play them, and when not. Guly shouldn't have been in the team at Fratton for instance.

 

It is very simple logic which is why I don't understand why people contiunue to maintain that you get more time on the ball. Surely if all defenders in the championship do is charge around the the likes of guly with their amazig ability will be able to nick it past them, a dummy ot a faint and away they go, no?

 

Read yesterday papers, Eden Hazard, according to some of them, needs to bulk up a bit to be a success in the premier league? Why is this when he'll have defenders standing off him an be able to waltz through them using his skill? The higher you go the better the players. Come on GWC, you do a blog, I'd expect you to at least have half a clue what you're on about.

[Noodles34]

Man of the match against Coventry.

 

The style of play is different in the Premier League to the lower leagues. Guly is technically very good. With the added time and space you get at the higher level, he is the type of player, along with Schneiderlin who will thrive.

 

At times this season I saw Guly do things that would go wrong because actually some of our other players weren't on his wavelength, the crowd would blame Guly for it going wrong, when actually he was guilty of nothing more than expecting too much of a team mate. He became a scapegoat. When Lambert missed a chance, the crowd would say things like "Unlucky Rickie", Guly then misses a more difficult chance and get's a torrent of abuse.

 

I had to bite my tongue on more than one occasion in the Kinglsand, as the abuse of Guly became both more ridiculous and unfair, and worse still, bordering on racist.I would start with Lambert and Guly up top in the Premier League with every confidence. We need more technically gifted players, not blood and thunder players.

 

yet another misguided Guly fan throws in the racist card, what an idiot!

Jesus, you can be black and crap you know.