Scotland to get the vote in 2 years

[Thedelldays]

good luck to them

I don't think it will happen, should they go alone...what they have will see them suffer...seriously in finical terms.

we would only end bailing them out anyway...maybe publicly see them ask mother England for help.

 

 

so many people I have spoken to up there see Alec Salmond as a self made king..."king alec"....or so he wishes

[Whitey Grandad]

Let 'em go, but don't have them back when it all goes bosoms up. By the way, how do the Shetlands feel about things?

[dune]

If they do we shouldn't allow them to use our currency because they'll only end up like Greece with a choice between Labour and the even more socialist SNP.

[buctootim]

There is a chance that Scotland will make a lot of money in the future from wind and tidal energy. Personally I'd prefer it if they decided to go independent and ended up like Pakistan. Unfortunately its possible they will end up like Norway.

[TopGun]

There is a chance that Scotland will make a lot of money in the future from wind and tidal energy. Personally I'd prefer it if they decided to go independent and ended up like Pakistan. Unfortunately its possible they will end up like Norway.

 

Spot on Buctootim. Scotland has huge renewable energy potential and already exports wind generated electricity to England now. When tidal and wave becomes commercially viable, which it will within 10 years, Scotland will be very well placed. England would stand to benefit from this also though as it's likely that Scottish electricity exports to the continent via planned interconnectors would be transmitted through England before offshoring.

 

Additionally, evolving technology will also mean that the oil and gas reserves surrounding Scotland that are currently non-economically viable to extract will offer a short term second fossil fuel boom (though probably not as big as the 1970s - 1990s).

[Trader]

I think the whole thing's the wrong way round - we should be seeking independence from them.

 

Then maybe we could afford free care for the elderly, prescriptions, tuition fees and all the other perks they already enjoy, because we wouldn't have to subsidise those Scottish b*stards.

[Trader]

And when the oil runs out, and the fish stocks are finally depleted I can't see how the whisky, shortbread, haggis and kilt industries are going to sustain them.

 

I suppose they could rely on their legendary strong banks.

[RonManager]

And when the oil runs out, and the fish stocks are finally depleted I can't see how the whisky, shortbread, haggis and kilt industries are going to sustain them.

 

I suppose they could rely on their legendary strong banks.

Revenue from the inexhaustible underground Irn Bru lakes will keep them in deep fried Mars bars, Buckfast and jellies for a fair old while yet, nae bother pal.

[TopGun]

And when the oil runs out, and the fish stocks are finally depleted I can't see how the whisky, shortbread, haggis and kilt industries are going to sustain them.

 

I suppose they could rely on their legendary strong banks.

 

And presumably you think that England has a trade surplus...

[trousers]

When do I get a vote on the future of my country? (Great Britain)

[Thedelldays]

And presumably you think that England has a trade surplus...

 

England has Christ knows how much more going for it than Scotland

[dune]

A the mother country I think it should be us who is asked whether we will grant them independence from our Empire.

[dune]

England has Christ knows how much more going for it than Scotland

 

Of course it does, and anyone who thinks wind farms are economic is a deluded fool.

[stev2001]

I don't want Scotland independent but if they do then it has to be done fairly. It will no doubt cost a lot to do, so will it be the 6m scots paying for that who voted yes or the 58m who are left in the UK who didn't vote?

Will all Scottish companies remain Scottish and bring their wealth with them? ALex Salmond will of course say yes. Will they then except that RBS and HBOS are Scottish and take on all their debt too....I think not!

I really dont want to pay a shed load of tax paying for Scotland to be independent, not bringing a fair proportion of THIER debt with them and then saying how much money they will make from THEIR natural resources.

[solentstars]

good luck to the scots and i,ve always found them nice friendly people and if they voted to regain their own parliament,i don,t think it will effect us at all and will make scottish people feel closer to their own government .life will go on has before so i,m not bothered by the usual doom and gloom brigade and their regular cynical and negative views .

[moonraker]

Spot on Buctootim. Scotland has huge renewable energy potential and already exports wind generated electricity to England now. When tidal and wave becomes commercially viable, which it will within 10 years, Scotland will be very well placed. England would stand to benefit from this also though as it's likely that Scottish electricity exports to the continent via planned interconnectors would be transmitted through England before offshoring.

 

Additionally, evolving technology will also mean that the oil and gas reserves surrounding Scotland that are currently non-economically viable to extract will offer a short term second fossil fuel boom (though probably not as big as the 1970s - 1990s).

 

Your statement that they export wind energy to England is real Samondism, this infers that they generate more wind energy than they need, not the case currently they have 4,796 megawatts of installed generating capacity (if all the wind is blowing under the perfect conditions) Scotland needs at least 6.5 GW to serve her domestic market, so very very occasionally there may be times when Scottish demand is low and the wind is right when they have a surplus.

[stev2001]

good luck to the scots and i,ve always found them nice friendly people and if they voted to regain their own parliament,i don,t think it will effect us at all and will make scottish people feel closer to their own government .life will go on has before so i,m not bothered by the usual doom and gloom brigade and their regular cynical and negative views .

 

I have no problem with the scots at all and if they want independance then they should have it, but don't see why this should be at the expensive of the English, welsh and northern Irish. Unfortunately I feel Alex Salmond would want the UK to pay for this and not take hardly any responsibility for the UKs huge debt.

It annoys me how Alex Salmond can make all this noise about Scotland this and Scotland that in a Scottish parliament where as if someone on TV mentions anything in favour of the English there seems to be an over cry in Scotland even though there are 10 times more English than scots.

If the Shetlands do go with scotland and it all goes pear shaped, I hope Scotland we be happy to pay for the Shetlands to leave them if the people of those islands vote to join the UK again. I also hope not one scot will have any say on this and they bring back any oil and natural resource with them.

[dune]

And if they build more ghastly wind farms how's that going to impact on tourism?

[stev2001]

Your statement that they export wind energy to England is real Samondism, this infers that they generate more wind energy than they need, not the case currently they have 4,796 megawatts of installed generating capacity (if all the wind is blowing under the perfect conditions) Scotland needs at least 6.5 GW to serve her domestic market, so very very occasionally there may be times when Scottish demand is low and the wind is right when they have a surplus.

 

This annoys me too, the UK (only 10% of scots) has spent billions on renewable energy and oil exploration of the north sea and now Alex Salmond wants it all for Scotland. What gives him the option of picking and choosing when to leave. It funny how this happened on the back of a time when the UK has massive debt (which Scottish banks played a major role). Never heard Alex Salmond talking about Scottish debt only the UKs

[stev2001]

Why do we not have an English parliament? Because if we got something the Scots didn't they would say they are being unfairly treated and a disproportionate amount of money was going to England and not the other countries etc. there would be loads of unrest. However it's OK for scotland to have free universities etc.

[stev2001]

And if they build more ghastly wind farms how's that going to impact on tourism?

 

The UK has looked at building wind farms out at sea in England but so far has spent most of that budget building them in Scotland. Maybe the UK should be a little fairer and only spend 10% of that budget in Scotland from now on.

[solentstars]

I think the whole thing's the wrong way round - we should be seeking independence from them.

 

Then maybe we could afford free care for the elderly, prescriptions, tuition fees and all the other perks they already enjoy, because we wouldn't have to subsidise those Scottish b*stards.

 

Oh dear the victim mentality we can have the same has the Scots but our parliment chose a different direction .

 

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[skintsaint]

Without really knowing too much about the subject, what would happen to the armed forces if it was voted yes?

[Thedelldays]

lets be honest, all this talk about renewable engery is all guff....so much money for very little return

 

good luck to scotland...they will need it

[solentstars]

Without really knowing too much about the subject, what would happen to the armed forces if it was voted yes?

 

Don't think it will effect the army and they will still be useing the pound only difference will be they can make their own laws and tax raising rules .just like the usa do in most of their states.

The queen will still be the head of state.

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[Thedelldays]

Without really knowing too much about the subject, what would happen to the armed forces if it was voted yes?

king alec was making huge noises about scotland being nuclear free etc

however, the facility in Faslane generate 10's of millions of pounds for the local economy and the area would simply die if he effectively shut it down

he has however, since said he would considering keeping it open and England paying rent on the facility..?

 

what the fuk...?

[skintsaint]

Don't think it will effect the army and they will still be useing the pound only difference will be they can make their own laws and tax raising rules .just like the usa do in most of their states.

The queen will still be the head of state.

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ok got it thanks.

[stev2001]

Don't think it will effect the army and they will still be useing the pound only difference will be they can make their own laws and tax raising rules .just like the usa do in most of their states.

The queen will still be the head of state.

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I'd like to think that we'd get to decide whether they keep the pound. Look how Greece can be pull down the Euro. This is about them leaving, they they shouldn't be able to decide which bits of the UK they keep. either way English, Welsh and Northern Irish lose out as we'll be paying for the huge cost of them going it alone. Cameron should just say ok you keep everything Scottish and you pay for the whole process of breaking away. Alex Salmond would soon change his mind.

[Thedelldays]

I'd like to think that we'd get to decide whether they keep the pound. Look how Greece can be pull down the Euro. This is about them leaving, they they shouldn't be able to decide which bits of the UK they keep. either way English, Welsh and Northern Irish lose out as we'll be paying for the huge cost of them going it alone. Cameron should just say ok you keep everything Scottish and you pay for the whole process of breaking away. Alex Salmond would soon change his mind.

absolutely

but we won't...we will dance to their whinging tune

[stev2001]

How about the rest of the UK vote about Scotland leaving before they do. If the vote is yes then the UK will equally share the costs of them leaving. If its a no vote then Scotland can of course still leave but have to fund it themselves. That's fair but unaffordable to Scotland so it won't happen.

[solentstars]

I'd like to think that we'd get to decide whether they keep the pound. Look how Greece can be pull down the Euro. This is about them leaving, they they shouldn't be able to decide which bits of the UK they keep. either way English, Welsh and Northern Irish lose out as we'll be paying for the huge cost of them going it alone. Cameron should just say ok you keep everything Scottish and you pay for the whole process of breaking away. Alex Salmond would soon change his mind.

They have always had the pound I even used the old Scottish pound note and they are talking about independance and running their own affairs not about breaking the union has far as I am aware and unlike Greece we have the same levels of productitly plus the fact we have been interlinked for centurys

 

 

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[solentstars]

absolutely

but we won't...we will dance to their whinging tune

 

Unlike the whinging poms has the aussies like to call us:cool:

 

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[Thedelldays]

They have always had the pound I even used the old Scottish pound note and they are talking about independance and running their own affairs not about breaking the union has far as I am aware and unlike Greece we have the same levels of productitly plus the fact we have been interlinked for centurys

 

 

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the last sentence in their new declaration...

 

- a Scotland that stands alongside the other nations on these isles, as an independent nation.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Oh dear the victim mentality we can have the same has the Scots but our parliment chose a different direction .

 

 

Parliament did vote in another direction for the English. This vote included Scottish MP's.

[scotty]

Don't think it will effect the army and they will still be useing the pound only difference will be they can make their own laws and tax raising rules .just like the usa do in most of their states.

The queen will still be the head of state.

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Thats a point right there. Salmond was bleating a few years ago about independence, and one of his firmest commitments was that if they achieved it he would immediately ditch sterling and adopt the euro.

 

Fast forward to yesterday morning and f*ck me, theres an SNP spokeswoman on R4 explaining how and why they would remain in sterling and how thats what they always intended.

 

I dont trust that fat sack of sh*t any farther than I can throw him. And I'm a ten stone weakling.

[skintsaint]

Unlike the whinging poms has the aussies like to call us:cool:

 

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the aussies whinge more than us...

[Lord Duckhunter]

Thats a point right there. Salmond was bleating a few years ago about independence, and one of his firmest commitments was that if they achieved it he would immediately ditch sterling and adopt the euro.

 

Fast forward to yesterday morning and f*ck me, theres an SNP spokeswoman on R4 explaining how and why they would remain in sterling and how thats what they always intended.

 

I dont trust that fat sack of sh*t any farther than I can throw him. And I'm a ten stone weakling.

 

To be fair to salmond, he was not the only one.

 

The Lib/Dems, Useful idiots in the Tory party like Clarke & Hestletine, and a large portion of the Labour party & unions wanted to join. They still refuse to rule out joining even now.

 

In '99 Blair called Tories oppossed to the single currency, "extremists".

[stev2001]

The funny thing about all this is the SNP know they won't get independance and this is all a bluff to get the devo Max in place. This is basically a way in which Scotland can raise its own revenue but if things go t1ts up the treasury has to bail them out.

 

Nice if they can get it. I'm sure Alex Salmond thinks he is scaring the UK government with all this independence talk so that they give him a even better deal than they are already getting. According to a recent poll more English want Scottish independence than scots do as a percentage. He better stop wishing something as he might just get it.

[Viking Warrior]

Salmons has said very little on what he will do apart from suggesting there will be tax increases up here and a year or so ago he mentioned the armed forces . He wants to pull every Scottish soldier out of afghan . He will have small Scottish airforce army and navy . He hasn't said how this will be achieved as many scits are equally dispersed across all areas of the armed forces . Likewise English in Scottish regiments . Does he sack all non scots in Scottish regiments . As for airforce he said a. While ago he wanted to keep all 3 air bases open but has now referred to only having one airbase . Shetland and Orkney do not see them selfs as part of the process but there is a small nucleus of snow supporters around the Orkney candidates have very little respect

[Badger]

Salmons has said very little on what he will do apart from suggesting there will be tax increases up here and a year or so ago he mentioned the armed forces . He wants to pull every Scottish soldier out of afghan . He will have small Scottish airforce army and navy . He hasn't said how this will be achieved as many scits are equally dispersed across all areas of the armed forces . Likewise English in Scottish regiments . Does he sack all non scots in Scottish regiments . As for airforce he said a. While ago he wanted to keep all 3 air bases open but has now referred to only having one airbase . Shetland and Orkney do not see them selfs as part of the process but there is a small nucleus of snow supporters around the Orkney candidates have very little respect

 

Is it not time for the Orkney's to seek independance from Scotland ?

[badgerx16]

There is something fishy about a political party whose leader is calld Salmon(d) and the deputy is called Sturgeon.

[stev2001]

Salmons has said very little on what he will do apart from suggesting there will be tax increases up here and a year or so ago he mentioned the armed forces . He wants to pull every Scottish soldier out of afghan . He will have small Scottish airforce army and navy . He hasn't said how this will be achieved as many scits are equally dispersed across all areas of the armed forces . Likewise English in Scottish regiments . Does he sack all non scots in Scottish regiments . As for airforce he said a. While ago he wanted to keep all 3 air bases open but has now referred to only having one airbase . Shetland and Orkney do not see them selfs as part of the process but there is a small nucleus of snow supporters around the Orkney candidates have very little respect

 

Salmond doesn't to seem to have a clue about the actual day to day running of a country. Good luck if he gets his way.

[doddisalegend]

Is it not time for the Orkney's to seek independance from Scotland ?

 

Surely the Orkneys should ask to become part of Norway..like they once were

[doddisalegend]

Surely Scotland leaving basically signals the end of the Union I've always considered myself British rather than English so if the SNP was to dismantle my country ...shouldn't I get a vote about it? Wonder if the break up of the Uk would end up as nasty as the break up of Yugoslavia...although that would take more effort than your average Brition could be arsed with.

[Viking Warrior]

If Scotland become independent there wli be loads of Scottish mps that will be made redundant from Westminster . Including Alistair Carmichael . The last labour cabinet were predominantly Scottish I'm not sur how many of the current cabinet are Scottish

[SuperMikey]

If Scotland become independent there wli be loads of Scottish mps that will be made redundant from Westminster . Including Alistair Carmichael . The last labour cabinet were predominantly Scottish I'm not sur how many of the current cabinet are Scottish

 

Only one I know of is that turd Danny Alexander.

[scotty]

Let them go, if they want to. My guess is than when the jock electorate get to actually vote on it, rather than just spouting nationalist rhetoric, they wont be quite as keen as they portray themselves now. Makes no difference to us either way, the north sea gas/oil fields income is balanced out by their horrendous public sector costs.

[stev2001]

http://englandcalling.wordpress.com/2011/05/14/the-truth-about-uk-oil-and-gas/

 

“• If all North Sea oil revenues had been allocated to Scotland there would only have been 9 years out of* the last 27 when Scotland’s finances would have* been in surplus.

 

The vast majority of the oil is in Scottish waters. With practically all of the gas in* the UK in the southern North Sea, that is in ‘English’ territory.

 

If the orkneys and Shetland vote against leaving and we keep all the gas Scotland would be screwed. It's time cameron starts playing hard ball with Salmond. I'm still in favour to keep the union but Alex Salmond needs to be put in his place.

[Frank's cousin]

Let them go, if they want to. My guess is than when the jock electorate get to actually vote on it, rather than just spouting nationalist rhetoric, they wont be quite as keen as they portray themselves now. Makes no difference to us either way, the north sea gas/oil fields income is balanced out by their horrendous public sector costs.

 

 

Er...only 34% indicate they are pro it now... and thats because that **** Salmond has been pushing the emotional rhetoric. Couple of things before we get more jingoistic little Englander nonsense spouted on here. MOST people have an natural emotional desire for greater local autonomy - But what gave the SNP a minor foothold was not some anti -english nonsense, but a response to the way Thatcher and her cronies treated Scotland as the place to test her loony policies - remember the poll tax? I am sure it gave her some sort of warped pleasure knowing that it was dominated by Labour constituencies, but she allowed the SNP to grow beyond some fring minority spouting ****** about North Sea oil and 'braveheart' and gave them a platform... And whilst the SNP may have a small majority within the Scottish parliament, most folk still go back to a more rounded pparty when it comes to teh important things dealt with by Westminster.

 

What most Scots i speak to say is that they vote SNP in teh Scottish elections, because the SNP have been reasonably appealing in within the devolved environment - and free prescription and universtity places are affordable becuase of the smaller size... but many at least right now know Salmond has no real practical manifesto yet - its the simple things that could prove so costly, and impact on many... moving Tax offices, settingup the hideousness of civil service, defence, passports, etc... what about thos eliving in Sxcotland that work i England... where doews their tax go and do they get the same service? simple yet important issues that will prove vastly expensive to resolve - yet right now all he is trying to feed on is the whole 'braveheart' shiedt - with w&nkers like sean connery (who has not lived in Scotland for nigh on 30 years - ****) calling the emotive tune... sure there will be some youngsters who buy it, but most are more pragmatic and to paraphrase Sir Walter Scot said... the union is like a marriage and most know how painful and costly a divorce can be.

[Whitey Grandad]

If they do get independence, does that mean we'll lose all those Labour MPs and never have a Labour government again?