S-Clarke Posted 26 May, 2012 Share Posted 26 May, 2012 It doesn't get much more exciting than today's playoff final! But Christ, what an horrendous game of football. I've never seen so much **** in 120mins. Pleased for Hudders given how far they pushed us 2 seasons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 May, 2012 Share Posted 26 May, 2012 Even me, being German, detest penalties. I'm with that old git here as well. Penalties are just a 50-50 lottery and that should not decide a football match or even a final... They are not a lottery, they are a test of footballing skill and nerve. Drawing lots, which penalties replaced, was a lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 May, 2012 Share Posted 26 May, 2012 (edited) Hats off to Chelsea, I was happy when they won but I ****ing love it now. Sepp Blatter and that nazi c*nt Beckenbauer must have hated it when the English side took the trophy home. Blatter has such an anti English agenda, a German team loses on penalties and it's a tragedy, yet he didn't say a thing about goal=line technology when we scored that goal against the kraut c*nts. Of course he didn't... he DEFINITELY didn't apologise for the goal not standing and DEFINITELY didn't reopen the goal-line technology debate as a result of that goal alone. That DEFINITELY DIDN'T HAPPEN. In your head. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10452713 Or for those who CBA to click the link and see the video : Blatter sorry for disallowed Lampard 'goal' 29 June 2010 Last updated at 15:48 Fifa president Sepp Blatter has apologised to the Football Association over Frank Lampard's disallowed goal in England's World Cup defeat by Germany. Blatter told a press conference the error had convinced him to reopen the debate on goal-line technology at a board meeting in July. "Personally I deplore it when you see evident referee mistakes but it's not the end of a competition or the end of football, this can happen," added Blatter. Edited 26 May, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 May, 2012 Share Posted 26 May, 2012 Of course he didn't... he DEFINITELY didn't apologise for the goal not standing and DEFINITELY didn't reopen the goal-line technology debate as a result of that goal alone. That DEFINITELY DIDN'T HAPPEN. In your head. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10452713 Or for those who CBA to click the link and see the video : Blatter sorry for disallowed Lampard 'goal' 29 June 2010 Last updated at 15:48 Fifa president Sepp Blatter has apologised to the Football Association over Frank Lampard's disallowed goal in England's World Cup defeat by Germany. Blatter told a press conference the error had convinced him to reopen the debate on goal-line technology at a board meeting in July. "Personally I deplore it when you see evident referee mistakes but it's not the end of a competition or the end of football, this can happen," added Blatter. Not exactly saying it's a "tragedy" though is it? Just pathetic excuses for apologies. And where are we since then, still no technology. Chelsea won fair and square, yet it is somehow a tragedy. Blatter is just a c*nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1885 Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 They are not a lottery, they are a test of footballing skill and nerve. Drawing lots, which penalties replaced, was a lottery. Every non league team might be able to beat the lights of Chelsea, ManU or ManCity on penalties. Does that make them the better football side ? What about the 2006 WC ? Germany winning (again) on penalties - with the Argies the better football team went out... You might be right with one point - It's the nerves. But unfortunately just the nerves and luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 Every non league team might be able to beat the lights of Chelsea, ManU or ManCity on penalties. Does that make them the better football side ? What about the 2006 WC ? Germany winning (again) on penalties - with the Argies the better football team went out... You might be right with one point - It's the nerves. But unfortunately just the nerves and luck... I disagree. And I think it is incredibly short-sighted and disingenuous to say it comes down to luck. Every team knows how a cup game could end. So if they don't practice penalties they are unprepared. Only in England do managers say 'you have to look into the player's eyes after the game and see who 'fancies' it)?!!!!!! Bonkers. In NO other professional sport would you leave something like this to chance. You should know your first five penalty takes. They should take them in training, in the correct order, over and over... Some will say 'you cannot recreate the atmosphere or pressure' - bo llo x. Tiger Woods doesn't have 2,000 people around the practice green when he puts out a hundred times a day... Where is the luck in any penalty?? It's one man versus another. It's about two men pysching out one another. It's about two men's technique. If a non-league team beat United on penalties they are the better side, because they matched them over 120 minutes and then had the better execution of a football skills to win, surely?? Luck surely plays a bigger part in the remainder of a game than it does on penalties?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 There is an element of luck in penalties but there is just as much during the game itself. It's more about mental strength and technique. That's why England are so poor, we don't have great technique and have a feeble loser's mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 Every non league team might be able to beat the lights of Chelsea, ManU or ManCity on penalties. Does that make them the better football side ? It does if they can hold them to a draw for 2 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 Not exactly saying it's a "tragedy" though is it? Just pathetic excuses for apologies. And where are we since then, still no technology. Chelsea won fair and square, yet it is somehow a tragedy. Blatter is just a c*nt. He actually first described penalties as a tragedy about six years ago referring to Italy's WC win. Obviously an anti-English agenda though... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/5388458.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 He actually first described penalties as a tragedy about six years ago referring to Italy's WC win. Obviously an anti-English agenda though... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/5388458.stm Blatter obviously doesn't like the English game. Might be the press, or just jealousy but he's made loads of comments before. One example was when Real Madrid came in with silly money for Ronaldo it was "let Ronaldo leave" and "modern slavery" when Utd turned down the bid. 6 months later City offered silly money for Kaka and it was "Is it morally acceptable to offer such sums of money for a single player?". Then there's the World cup farce etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 Blatter obviously doesn't like the English game. Might be the press, or just jealousy but he's made loads of comments before. One example was when Real Madrid came in with silly money for Ronaldo it was "let Ronaldo leave" and "modern slavery" when Utd turned down the bid. 6 months later City offered silly money for Kaka and it was "Is it morally acceptable to offer such sums of money for a single player?". Then there's the World cup farce etc. you do get the impression that the power brokers do not like the English game. Platini had a face like thunder when Chelsea won the CL last week sadly, UEFA and FIFA need England involved domestically and internationally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 sadly, UEFA and FIFA need England involved domestically and internationally Ive always hoped the homes nations would break away from FIFA and UEFA and set up our own football federation. How exactly did we let our game get controlled by a bunch of fat, foreign, corrupt crooks only in it to see how long they can stay on the gravy train? It makes about as much sense as the US giving up control of baseball to the French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 Ive always hoped the homes nations would break away from FIFA and UEFA and set up our own football federation. How exactly did we let our game get controlled by a bunch of fat, foreign, corrupt crooks only in it to see how long they can stay on the gravy train? It makes about as much sense as the US giving up control of baseball to the French. Absolutely, we should have it controlled by the fat British corrupt crooks instead and/or the blazer brigade who are still locked in the 19th century. We (the UK) actually still have far more control than any other nation in the world, with the 4 home nations having 4 members of the IFAB and FIFA having the other 4 members ensuring that the Laws of the Game are maintained largely only with the agreement of the UK home nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 Do you really think the IFAB or what ever it is has much power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 Absolutely, we should have it controlled by the fat British corrupt crooks instead and/or the blazer brigade who are still locked in the 19th century. We (the UK) actually still have far more control than any other nation in the world, with the 4 home nations having 4 members of the IFAB and FIFA having the other 4 members ensuring that the Laws of the Game are maintained largely only with the agreement of the UK home nations. That only deals with rules and even then, we still couldnt get video evidence in the game (purely because of 1 man) even though weve wanted it for a decade. Everyone in FIFA is corrupt. you just have to look at the WC venues to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 That only deals with rules and even then, we still couldnt get video evidence in the game (purely because of 1 man) even though weve wanted it for a decade. Everyone in FIFA is corrupt. you just have to look at the WC venues to see that. Don't disagree, but the point is everyone at the top in the FA is corrupt or incompetent as well, its not something that is exclusive to Jonny Foreigner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 Don't know who your source is, but platini said this, after watching the Germans loose to the english in Munich. 4 years ago he was praising them, then the english win.... now he hates them! What a bender, and get your facts straight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 Do you really think the IFAB or what ever it is has much power? Direct from Wiki... IFAB is made up of representatives from each of the United Kingdom's pioneering football associations—England's Football Association (The FA), the Scottish Football Association (SFA), the Football Association of Wales (FAW) and Northern Ireland's Irish Football Association (IFA)—and Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA), the international governing body for football. Each UK association has one vote and FIFA has four. IFAB deliberations must be approved by three-quarters of the vote, which translates to at least six votes. Thus, FIFA's approval is necessary for any IFAB decision, but FIFA alone cannot change the Laws of the Game—they need to be agreed by at least two of the UK members. There is also a quorum requirement that at least four of the five member associations, one of which must be FIFA, have to be present for a meeting to proceed. So yes, IFAB is entirely responsible for whether stupid crap like bigger goals, tucked in shirts or that ridiculous backpass rule from 1990 gets adopted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 27 May, 2012 Share Posted 27 May, 2012 To paraphrase Churchill: Many forms of (Government) of settling results have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that (democracy is) penalty shoot-outs are perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that (democracy is) penalty shoot-outs are the worst form of (government) of settling results except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 28 May, 2012 Share Posted 28 May, 2012 Don't disagree, but the point is everyone at the top in the FA is corrupt or incompetent as well, its not something that is exclusive to Jonny Foreigner. Yeah but its our game, control should have never been handed away from us and I dont think our FA are as bad as Blatter and co were bribes are compulsory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 May, 2012 Share Posted 28 May, 2012 Direct from Wiki... IFAB is made up of representatives from each of the United Kingdom's pioneering football associations—England's Football Association (The FA), the Scottish Football Association (SFA), the Football Association of Wales (FAW) and Northern Ireland's Irish Football Association (IFA)—and Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA), the international governing body for football. Each UK association has one vote and FIFA has four. IFAB deliberations must be approved by three-quarters of the vote, which translates to at least six votes. Thus, FIFA's approval is necessary for any IFAB decision, but FIFA alone cannot change the Laws of the Game—they need to be agreed by at least two of the UK members. There is also a quorum requirement that at least four of the five member associations, one of which must be FIFA, have to be present for a meeting to proceed. So yes, IFAB is entirely responsible for whether stupid crap like bigger goals, tucked in shirts or that ridiculous backpass rule from 1990 gets adopted. I never knew about IFAB, very interesting. Explains why FIFA have such a chip on their shoulder about England then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2012 Don't know who your source is, but platini said this, after watching the Germans loose to the english in Munich. 4 years ago he was praising them, then the english win.... now he hates them! What a bender, and get your facts straight! there was a very large article on BBCs football site last week... with Blatter being quoted as saying it was a tragedy for football that games like that had to be settled by penalty kicks. How else do you suggest Herr Blatter? ...who didn't seem to mind supporting the idea for the last ..15 years?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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