Saint J 77 Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18205513 I know it can seem unfair but I wouldn't want to see them gone. What could they possibly use as an alternative that would be fair? Looking at shots on target at goal? most possession? Heads or Tails?
terrasaint Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18205513 I know it can seem unfair but I wouldn't want to see them gone. What could they possibly use as an alternative that would be fair? Looking at shots on target at goal? most possession? Heads or Tails? Great minds think alike as i appear to have duplicated thread at same time as you posted!!!!!!
littleoldladysaint Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 The fact that the Champions League has just been won by an English team via a penalty shootout is entirely coincidental!!
Turkish Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 5 minutes each of attack v defence. Each team chooses 5 players, the defending team must include a goal keeper. The game is played entirely in the defending teams third. No offsides, just five minutes of both teams going for for it. Whoever scores most goals in that time wins, if it's still a draw repeat again but with one less defender and keep doing this until there is a winner.
Wurzel Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 It is a difficult one. Initial reaction is that it has to be decided on what's happened during the game. Idealy first on number of corners , then maybe attempts on goal, and so on. BUT would a team 1-0 up and 5 corners ahead defend for the last 20 mins knowing they have to let in 2 goals (or 1 plus 5 more corners) ? My favourite would be play on till someone scores but with NO keepers on the pitch. Should make for some exciting scrambles and long range shots.
moonraker Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Football is a simple game, the team scoring the most Goals wins, you must convert possession and or territory into goals if you don’t you draw or loose any change that impacts on this basic principle will be bad for the game. The penalty shoot out was introduced to avoid replays, one answer is to re-introduce replays a much better approach in my opinion. One alternative, along the lines of the suggestion at post 4 is to reduce the teams to 7 men for the extra time period thus opening up the game considerably and hence creating many more goal scoring opportunities you could refine this by adopting the Golden Goal approach thus the reward for scoring is much greater that reward for avoiding conceding.
Hatch Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 more extra time, 7 mins each way, but only 7 a side. Would be so much more room, so more likely a goal to be scored. Then if still a draw, soggy biscuit between the two captains.
JPTCount Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 go with the American idea they use in ice hockey, run from the halfway line with the ball and try n beat the keeper failing that go with drawing straws
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Can't see anything replacing them. The drama and excitement is massive.
Saintandy666 Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 I love/hate penalties. They should stay, nothing beats the drama of them.
Dimond Geezer Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 (edited) When I was a kid I used to play in a 6-a-side competition where the team winning the most corners were awarded drawn games, that way the more attacking team should win (in theory at least). I've no idea what would happen if the corner count was equal. Edited 25 May, 2012 by Dimond Geezer
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Penalties are meaningless. For a knockout competition they're ok but for the Champions League final it's simple, if it's a draw, nobody wins it.
Dog Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 First to 5 on Paper Rock Scissors would be a good decider.
pedg Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Not sure about number of shots on goal. Teams would just shoot all the time even when little chance of scoring to get their count up.
aintforever Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 It's time for multiball Mayhem. At the end of extra-time, if it's still a draw a new ball is thrown on the pitch every 2mins. 2 rules: no handball, no eye gauging.
buctootim Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 (edited) There should be a diving competition and the winners get a free penalty. A bit like the rest of the match. Edited 25 May, 2012 by buctootim
toofarnorth Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 A friend once suggested taking one player away from each team every five minutes until the first goal was scored. Thought that would be entertaining.
Saint J 77 Posted 25 May, 2012 Author Posted 25 May, 2012 A friend once suggested taking one player away from each team every five minutes until the first goal was scored. Thought that would be entertaining. Interesting idea but can you imagine the havoc that would cause to live Television games? The cup matches could end up going on for hours more than usual messing up the running times of all the other programmes. At the moment they can factor in any potential time for extra time and penalties but that could really be a big unknown, time wise. Admittedly penalties could go on a long time if players kept scoring all the time but that rarely happens.
pap Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 The purest solution is to replay until a winner is found. Don't understand why we don't do this, especially for major international finals. Italy may have won the World Cup, but they were not the best team in the world. Sure, it throws out timing, but you could counter that by allowing teams to have bigger squads and playing the replay the day after. That'll buck their ideas up
pedg Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Probably take the simon cowell route and have the winner decided by number of calls to the sepp blatter dinner expenses premium rate phone numbers.
pedg Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 excluding the obvious problem of finding people who were suitably unbiased and uncorruptible maybe there should be expert judges. Say doing scores like in boxing by rating each team under a number of criteria for 15 minute sections of the match? Lots of other sports use judges to determine who wins.
Eastcowzer Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Can't see anything replacing them. The drama and excitement is massive. Penalties are a joke. especially in the play-offs, and European games are no exception, either, After normal time and extra-time, the play continues to a 'sudden death' finish with no interval. Penalties are a joke and rely entirely on the luck of the goalkeeper choosing the right direction, as no player in the Champions League, or any other for that matter, should miss from the penalty spot, even Inigo Idiakez.
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Is this thread for real, some of the suggestions are bonkers.
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Is this thread for real, some of the suggestions are bonkers. How about tossing a coin?
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Penalties are a joke. especially in the play-offs, and European games are no exception, either, After normal time and extra-time, the play continues to a 'sudden death' finish with no interval. Penalties are a joke and rely entirely on the luck of the goalkeeper choosing the right direction, as no player in the Champions League, or any other for that matter, should miss from the penalty spot, even Inigo Idiakez. "Penalties are a joke" case settled....... There's no luck in taking good penalties under pressure. It takes mental strength combined with good technique - funny how Germany have won so many and England haven't! must be down to luck! lol If you take a good penalty it doesn't matter which way the goalie goes because he's got no chance of saving it. Are you suggesting that Matt Le Tiss was lucky to have such a good record? Who'd you rather took the decisive kick in a shoot-out: Le Tiss or Olly Lancashire? As you think it is down to luck I guess you wouldn't mind.
Hatch Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Is this thread for real, some of the suggestions are bonkers. I was just jesting with the soggy biscuit idea, i wasn't being entirely serious.
Saint J 77 Posted 25 May, 2012 Author Posted 25 May, 2012 (edited) Is this thread for real, some of the suggestions are bonkers. I don't want penalties to go, I was merely asking if he got his way what would the alternative be? Edited 25 May, 2012 by Saint J 77
Saint J 77 Posted 25 May, 2012 Author Posted 25 May, 2012 (edited) To be honest I don't think there is a sensible solution that could replace the effective way penalties end a match. Edited 25 May, 2012 by Saint J 77
Shroppie Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 more extra time, 7 mins each way, but only 7 a side. Would be so much more room, so more likely a goal to be scored. QUOTE] I've often thought this would be better than pens.
voteforpedro Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 The problem is after 120 players legs have usually gone completely. Reducing the number of players etc opens up the game but if players are physically shattered, which they usually are, you are stuck with the problem that no one will score. It doesn't always reward the team that have played best throughout the game but penalties aren't meaningless. It is a huge test of mental toughness and is a great spectacle (if your nerves can take it).
David Strover Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Didn't the old North American league have line painted about thirty yards out from the goal-line at each end and if the match was a draw the ball was placed on it, the goalie stood on his line and when the referee blew his whistle a player had about 23 seconds or summat to get the ball into the goal - the equivalent of a breakaway and similar to an ice-hockey penalty-shot. Best of three, then sudden-death, at least there is some proper football skill involved in getting the ball into the net or stopping someone scoring.... I think FIFA stopped the American's doing this in the end too - they don't want change just the old boys club and stagnation - mind you many supporters are stuck in the past and 'tradition'.
derry Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 The League of Ireland used corners to settle matches many years ago but long gone. Total goals scored to date in the competition at full time.
Frank's cousin Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 didn't we have the golden goal..? This... cant see why they stopped it -r or even teh silver goal where the half of et is completed...
The Worm Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Didnt he also want the golden goal replaced because South Korea beat Italy with it in the 2002 world cup?
Micky Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Back to back pistoli duels - march ten paces, turn and fire - ze last man standing iz ze winner.....
stev2001 Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 (edited) A friend once suggested taking one player away from each team every five minutes until the first goal was scored. Thought that would be entertaining. I had the exact same idea as it could get very tactical with choices whether to take off defenders or attackers etc. would be great to watch and would really make players work. This should be done after 90 mins not after extra time as players would become seriously tired! It might even make teams try harder to win it in 90 mins if they have used all their subs early on and all their players are knackered for example. Quite often we see teams just playing out the 90 Mins or extra time to get to the next stage. Edited 25 May, 2012 by stev2001
Lazlo78 Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 Didn't the old North American league have line painted about thirty yards out from the goal-line at each end and if the match was a draw the ball was placed on it, the goalie stood on his line and when the referee blew his whistle a player had about 23 seconds or summat to get the ball into the goal - the equivalent of a breakaway and similar to an ice-hockey penalty-shot. Best of three, then sudden-death, at least there is some proper football skill involved in getting the ball into the net or stopping someone scoring.... I think FIFA stopped the American's doing this in the end too - they don't want change just the old boys club and stagnation - mind you many supporters are stuck in the past and 'tradition'. This is indeed how it was done in the NASL in the days of Pele, Beckenbauer, Alberto, Chinaglia etc at NY Cosmos - apparently the players quite liked it!
benjii Posted 25 May, 2012 Posted 25 May, 2012 "Penalties are a joke" case settled....... There's no luck in taking good penalties under pressure. It takes mental strength combined with good technique - funny how Germany have won so many and England haven't! must be down to luck! lol If you take a good penalty it doesn't matter which way the goalie goes because he's got no chance of saving it. Are you suggesting that Matt Le Tiss was lucky to have such a good record? Who'd you rather took the decisive kick in a shoot-out: Le Tiss or Olly Lancashire? As you think it is down to luck I guess you wouldn't mind. Exactly. Penalty shoot outs are entirely fair and very entertaining. Great way to settle something.
Saint J 77 Posted 25 May, 2012 Author Posted 25 May, 2012 "Penalties are a joke" case settled....... There's no luck in taking good penalties under pressure. It takes mental strength combined with good technique - funny how Germany have won so many and England haven't! must be down to luck! lol If you take a good penalty it doesn't matter which way the goalie goes because he's got no chance of saving it. Are you suggesting that Matt Le Tiss was lucky to have such a good record? Who'd you rather took the decisive kick in a shoot-out: Le Tiss or Olly Lancashire? As you think it is down to luck I guess you wouldn't mind. Agreed! Matt always said the trick to taking a good penalty was wanting to take it! Thats why he only ever missed one in his career. His technique was also pretty much flawless too
Saint J 77 Posted 25 May, 2012 Author Posted 25 May, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO6ypZmDXkI&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL87C6C01402D240B9 He mentions about his penalty technique here in this video. Watch from 7.08 onwards for his approach to taking a penalty but the whole video is worth a watch if you haven't seen it before.
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