eelpie Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 I'm gutted at the enormous hike in prices for the coming season. Yes, times are harder (as for us all) with increased fuel, heating costs, employment etc. but as things stand it does not look like I will be able to afford to renew my ST for the first time in years at the new prices. The ST increase by an additional 67% from £415 to £695 (an increase of £280) really is exorbitant, notwithstanding that we will be playing top clubs and the club is ambitious. It is the core, loyal fans that have been the foundation of the cub's success; students, pensioners and other concessionaries who are now being priced out of seeing their team live. Like others, I have attended regularly during the relegation years when attendances were down to 10,000 and times were grim. It is not just the high cost of watching Saints that is unfair. When match dates and times are altered for live televising it is not always possible to make the rearranged dates due to previous commitments (and while sometimes these can be sorted, not all can). Travelling from London can make some rearranged midweek matches difficult. Last year I had to miss out on 5 games for this, and I factor in a few, but it galls that the club is making money twice over on my seat, on TV revenues (which is good) and on my rearranged ST seat when I cannot be present through no fault of my own (which is bad). Other entertainments offer to reimburse if they have to rearrange dates which the purchaser cannot attend, but not SFC. True, there are cheaper seats in the narrow wings (though not many, so these are sure to be oversubscibed) but why should loyal supporters have to be moved from sitting with friends? I really enjoy watching the games with companions that I have been sitting with over the seasons, which is part of the match day experience and bonding with the club. It is us loyal supporters who are being denied the opportunity to watch the team that we have supported all our lives. Without the core fan base Markus and Nicola might not have been so interested in puchasing Saints. And it is the affluent 'fair weather' supporters who are supplanting us. Shame on you, Mr Cortese Anyone else going to miss out due to the high price hike?
Thedelldays Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 seriously, because someone can afford to go..why does that make them fair weather yet those who now can't really afford it...proper fans..?
saintmatt Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 Sit somewhere cheaper. The prices are very reasonable. There are people dying in the world.
Saint86 Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 I have a question, my studentship expires soon after the ticket release. If I turn up with my council tax exemption letter and proof of enrolment can I purchase my ticket at concession rate, even if I am no longer a student in during the course of the season? Any ideas? Is it what I am at the time of buying?
Saint_Donovan Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 I'm pretty sure they didn't think of you when pricing the tickets this year so please don't be personally offended, someone else will be happy to have your ticket. Thank you for your service.
Thedelldays Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 Sit somewhere cheaper. The prices are very reasonable. There are people dying in the world. there are of course, plenty..plenty of saints fans that have not been able to afford to eat properly in this recession.. he (the OP) should be thankful he has been able to afford such great times in the last couple of years...and could still afford it if he chose to move a few blocks..
trousers Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 Sit somewhere cheaper. The prices are very reasonable. There are people dying in the world. ^ This, this and this
Matthew Le God Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 I'm gutted at the enormous hike in prices for the coming season. Yes, times are harder (as for us all) with increased fuel, heating costs, employment etc. but as things stand it does not look like I will be able to afford to renew my ST for the first time in years at the new prices. The ST increase by an additional 67% from £415 to £695 (an increase of £280) really is exorbitant, notwithstanding that we will be playing top clubs and the club is ambitious. It is the core, loyal fans that have been the foundation of the cub's success; students, pensioners and other concessionaries who are now being priced out of seeing their team live. Like others, I have attended regularly during the relegation years when attendances were down to 10,000 and times were grim. It is not just the high cost of watching Saints that is unfair. When match dates and times are altered for live televising it is not always possible to make the rearranged dates due to previous commitments (and while sometimes these can be sorted, not all can). Travelling from London can make some rearranged midweek matches difficult. Last year I had to miss out on 5 games for this, and I factor in a few, but it galls that the club is making money twice over on my seat, on TV revenues (which is good) and on my rearranged ST seat when I cannot be present through no fault of my own (which is bad). Other entertainments offer to reimburse if they have to rearrange dates which the purchaser cannot attend, but not SFC. True, there are cheaper seats in the narrow wings (though not many, so these are sure to be oversubscibed) but why should loyal supporters have to be moved from sitting with friends? I really enjoy watching the games with companions that I have been sitting with over the seasons, which is part of the match day experience and bonding with the club. It is us loyal supporters who are being denied the opportunity to watch the team that we have supported all our lives. Without the core fan base Markus and Nicola might not have been so interested in puchasing Saints. And it is the affluent 'fair weather' supporters who are supplanting us. Shame on you, Mr Cortese Anyone else going to miss out due to the high price hike? How much did you expect them to be? There are in line with other Premier League clubs and put Saints 10th/11th out of the 20. If your current seat is too expensive to renew, move to a cheaper seat. You've had plenty of time to save up with promotion looking a real possibility for a long time, Saints prices are mid range for the Premier League. You could also pay in instalments and spread the cost. When were attendances down to 10,000? If you can't make a game as you mentioned, why not give your ticket to a friend/relative?
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 I'm gutted at the enormous hike in prices for the coming season. Yes, times are harder (as for us all) with increased fuel, heating costs, employment etc. but as things stand it does not look like I will be able to afford to renew my ST for the first time in years at the new prices. The ST increase by an additional 67% from £415 to £695 (an increase of £280) really is exorbitant, notwithstanding that we will be playing top clubs and the club is ambitious. It is the core, loyal fans that have been the foundation of the cub's success; students, pensioners and other concessionaries who are now being priced out of seeing their team live. Like others, I have attended regularly during the relegation years when attendances were down to 10,000 and times were grim. It is not just the high cost of watching Saints that is unfair. When match dates and times are altered for live televising it is not always possible to make the rearranged dates due to previous commitments (and while sometimes these can be sorted, not all can). Travelling from London can make some rearranged midweek matches difficult. Last year I had to miss out on 5 games for this, and I factor in a few, but it galls that the club is making money twice over on my seat, on TV revenues (which is good) and on my rearranged ST seat when I cannot be present through no fault of my own (which is bad). Other entertainments offer to reimburse if they have to rearrange dates which the purchaser cannot attend, but not SFC. True, there are cheaper seats in the narrow wings (though not many, so these are sure to be oversubscibed) but why should loyal supporters have to be moved from sitting with friends? I really enjoy watching the games with companions that I have been sitting with over the seasons, which is part of the match day experience and bonding with the club. It is us loyal supporters who are being denied the opportunity to watch the team that we have supported all our lives. Without the core fan base Markus and Nicola might not have been so interested in puchasing Saints. And it is the affluent 'fair weather' supporters who are supplanting us. Shame on you, Mr Cortese Anyone else going to miss out due to the high price hike? Not me, I can't afford it due to high prices for the train from London. However, **** happens, I can accept that we live in an economy that works on supply and demand, and that inflation levels over previous years have increased prices in our economy. It's like buying a box in L1, and then expecting there not be a big price hike whem the club re-enters the Prem. Last year my season ticket for my golf course nearly doubled in price to £1800. Do you know what I did? Moved golf club. Move seat, and get over it.
Thedelldays Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 a fair chunk of the chapel is colour coded as pretty cheap to renew..? not in a "narrow wing"...? and when the hell was the last time we had a 10,000 home gate in a league game..? 1993 ..? during branfoot protest.?
batterseasaint Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 The prices per se are fair, but the way it is structured for concessions, not. My 9 yr old daughter has been coming with me for the last three years, but now she has to pay full whack I can't get her a ST. Because many games will be evening matches, it will cost me about 30-40 quid more per game if I get us both STs. And I can't get myself a ST only, because then my daughter wouldn't be able to sit with me for the games she can come. It also removes the material bond that children feel through having a ST. It will be harder for football to win against all her other commitments and interests if there isn't the ST to keep her coming to games. As a result, I am giving up on my ST for the first time in living memory, and I suspect the club may lose a young fan. My brother is in the same predicament with his daughter, so that is 4 STs gone immediately, and I suspect I ain't going to be the only one in this situation.
View From The Top Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 seriously, because someone can afford to go..why does that make them fair weather yet those who now can't really afford it...proper fans..? Those who couldn't be ars.ed to go during the dark years are lesser fans than those who did. I find myself in a similar position as the OP in terms of games that I can get to. The price I'd have to pay for my nipper & I are fair for the EPL but as I can't make midweek or Sunday games I'm likely to miss a minimum of 5 games. I'm still tempted to get them and then "sell them" for the games I can't make.
dune Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 Football is a rip off, but our prices aren't expensive compared to others. At the end of the day people are going to have to get used to not going regularly and just going for an occasional treat.
pingwing Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 I have a question, my studentship expires soon after the ticket release. If I turn up with my council tax exemption letter and proof of enrolment can I purchase my ticket at concession rate, even if I am no longer a student in during the course of the season? Any ideas? Is it what I am at the time of buying? Last season my old student card ran out end of September, but the season ticket is sold at concession price at point of sale (not life of the ticket) so as long as you can prove you are enrolled on June 6th when they go on sale they will sell at concession rate I have to do the same this year (still a student thankfully)
MarkSFC Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 life's a ***** get over it. I'm unemployed through no fault of my own. I can barely afford to eat let alone buy a ST. Get real OP....things change...put up or shut up.
Sour Mash Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 life's a ***** get over it. I'm unemployed through no fault of my own. I can barely afford to eat let alone buy a ST. Get real OP....things change...put up or shut up. By that theory the club can put the price up to whatever they want and fans shouldn't use a fans forum to have a moan about it?
JPTCount Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 having a season ticket in the EPL means u will miss at least 5 games regardless of how much of a proper fan u are, or whether u actually live near Southampton. and as for other commitments, it's only towards the end of the season that games get switched about at short notice. at the Dell the only time I ever went was when friends gave me n my dad when they were otherwise occupied. and at st marys my dad could never do Saturdays up till xmas so we used to get half season tickets in December my uncle and his mate had full season tickets at the bridge years ago, but due to moving out if sw London and having children they have cut it down, first jus split it with a dad n son, now it's split 4 ways. he pays for 5 games and he goes to 5 games, simples. surely u can find another pair of proper fans and split the difference.
buctootim Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 By that theory the club can put the price up to whatever they want and fans shouldn't use a fans forum to have a moan about it? The OP could move and pay only an extra £80, just £4 more per game for watching EPL football instead of championship. Instead he's moaning that life is unfair. I've got a lot more sympathy for the kids being priced by the concessions changes.
JPTCount Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 By that theory the club can put the price up to whatever they want and fans shouldn't use a fans forum to have a moan about it? but £700 isn't that much compared to average salary, so most can afford it. and it's already been pointed out we are in the middle of the pricing table. step ur trolling game up
trousers Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 having a season ticket in the EPL means u will miss at least 5 games regardless of how much of a proper fan u are, or whether u actually live near Southampton. and as for other commitments, it's only towards the end of the season that games get switched about at short notice. at the Dell the only time I ever went was when friends gave me n my dad when they were otherwise occupied. and at st marys my dad could never do Saturdays up till xmas so we used to get half season tickets in December my uncle and his mate had full season tickets at the bridge years ago, but due to moving out if sw London and having children they have cut it down, first jus split it with a dad n son, now it's split 4 ways. he pays for 5 games and he goes to 5 games, simples. surely u can find another pair of proper fans and split the difference. Nice idea. There's almost the makings of a semi-formal fan sharing scheme there....
Orange Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 Sit somewhere cheaper. The prices are very reasonable. There are people dying in the world. What a f*cking stupid thing to say. For some of us 30+ for a game of football is a lot of money. Like i said in the other thread, its time we looked at what clubs like Dortmund and others abroad do. Just 'cos its alright by English PL standards, doesn't make it good.
saintmatt Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 The prices per se are fair, but the way it is structured for concessions, not. My 9 yr old daughter has been coming with me for the last three years, but now she has to pay full whack I can't get her a ST. Because many games will be evening matches, it will cost me about 30-40 quid more per game if I get us both STs. And I can't get myself a ST only, because then my daughter wouldn't be able to sit with me for the games she can come. It also removes the material bond that children feel through having a ST. It will be harder for football to win against all her other commitments and interests if there isn't the ST to keep her coming to games. As a result, I am giving up on my ST for the first time in living memory, and I suspect the club may lose a young fan. My brother is in the same predicament with his daughter, so that is 4 STs gone immediately, and I suspect I ain't going to be the only one in this situation. I remember a similar situation when the club increased the age that qualified for OAP concession. People were upset and moaning about it when, in reality, they had been getting a VERY good deal previously and were now paying closer to the market rate. Try looking at it that way, and appreciate the good deal you've enjoyed these past few seasons
Sour Mash Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 The OP could move and pay only an extra £80, just £4 more per game for watching EPL football instead of championship. Instead he's moaning that life is unfair. I've got a lot more sympathy for the kids being priced by the concessions changes. I know. How does that relate to my point?
buctootim Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 I know. How does that relate to my point? You had a worthwhile point? **** me.
Sour Mash Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 but £700 isn't that much compared to average salary, so most can afford it. and it's already been pointed out we are in the middle of the pricing table. step ur trolling game up How is that trolling? Read what I actually wrote.
Sour Mash Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 You had a worthwhile point? **** me. I did. Thanks for your contribution though.
70's Mike Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 a fair chunk of the chapel is colour coded as pretty cheap to renew..? not in a "narrow wing"...? and when the hell was the last time we had a 10,000 home gate in a league game..? 1993 ..? during branfoot protest.? Please do not point that out Block 20 is the preserve of the old boys club
trousers Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 (edited) I remember a similar situation when the club increased the age that qualified for OAP concession. People were upset and moaning about it when, in reality, they had been getting a VERY good deal previously and were now paying closer to the market rate. Try looking at it that way, and appreciate the good deal you've enjoyed these past few seasons Exactly. When people get a good deal on something for a period of time and then the price 'normalises' people naturally see it as a price hike rather than a realignment from something 'cheap' to something 'normal'. Just human nature I guess. The same thing will happen when mortgage rates 'normalise' in a couple of years time. People won't like the fact that the cost of their mortgage is going up but it'll only be readjusting back to normality. Edited 24 May, 2012 by trousers
Sour Mash Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 having a season ticket in the EPL means u will miss at least 5 games regardless of how much of a proper fan u are, or whether u actually live near Southampton. and as for other commitments, it's only towards the end of the season that games get switched about at short notice. at the Dell the only time I ever went was when friends gave me n my dad when they were otherwise occupied. and at st marys my dad could never do Saturdays up till xmas so we used to get half season tickets in December my uncle and his mate had full season tickets at the bridge years ago, but due to moving out if sw London and having children they have cut it down, first jus split it with a dad n son, now it's split 4 ways. he pays for 5 games and he goes to 5 games, simples. surely u can find another pair of proper fans and split the difference. Not only towards the end of the season that games in the Premier League get moved at short notice.
70's Mike Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 but £700 isn't that much compared to average salary, so most can afford it. and it's already been pointed out we are in the middle of the pricing table. step ur trolling game up not sure if salary is the issue for some it is disposable income that is the problem
John D Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 The prices per se are fair, but the way it is structured for concessions, not. My 9 yr old daughter has been coming with me for the last three years, but now she has to pay full whack I can't get her a ST. Because many games will be evening matches, it will cost me about 30-40 quid more per game if I get us both STs. And I can't get myself a ST only, because then my daughter wouldn't be able to sit with me for the games she can come. It also removes the material bond that children feel through having a ST. It will be harder for football to win against all her other commitments and interests if there isn't the ST to keep her coming to games. As a result, I am giving up on my ST for the first time in living memory, and I suspect the club may lose a young fan. My brother is in the same predicament with his daughter, so that ithe only one in this situation. T Have I missed something, under 11 tickets are available in most areas of the ground so why pay fullwhack?
JPTCount Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 How is that trolling? Read what I actually wrote. i thought thats all u did on here not sure if salary is the issue for some it is disposable income that is the problem proper fans only have saints disposable income
suewhistle Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 I'm still tempted to get them and then "sell them" for the games I can't make. Not a bad idea, and if you wanted to they'd make a great prezzie for the right person. Don't think they'll be too many problems getting rid of them next season. For some of us 30+ for a game of football is a lot of money. Like i said in the other thread, its time we looked at what clubs like Dortmund and others abroad do. Just 'cos its alright by English PL standards, doesn't make it good. I agree with Orange, for some of us £30 is an amount to think about. Sometimes I wonder what sort of meal I could cook at home for that price (let alone the money saved in the pub and for transport): decent bottle of wine (£10-12), smoked salmon, black Bream from Littlehampton, some venison, diver caught scallops. Good chance of a **** afterwards in the right circumstances! As it is when I get the chance I spend it on a ticket and pints with my friends... I suppose when they get the decent sized ground ticket prices will come down a bit.... Dortmund have an 80k stadium and loooowwww prices for some tickets, but look at their commercial and special hospitality offering: http://www.bvb.de/?%80%99Y%1B%E7%F4%9D Football is a rip off, but our prices aren't expensive compared to others. At the end of the day people are going to have to get used to not going regularly and just going for an occasional treat. Christ! I agree with Dune!
wild-saint Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 my ticket for me and my boy (aged 9) in the itchin is £810 for the pair. speaking to a friend today who is a reading st holder said his renewell in a the equivalent area at the mad stad is £450 fo him and his boy. i was stunned how cheap his was, although he did say you wil get to see a second season where as he wont
saintalan Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 I have to admit I have some sympathy with those having to move seats to avoid a hefty increase. I feel somewhat fortunate to have around a 20% increase and not have to move seat. Although thinking ahead, now might be a good idea to move seat as if we are successful chances are the wings etc are probably the place those currently in non premium centre seats may have to move to (to reduce cost) by which time others will have moved there. Of course the real interesting time would be when we move to a larger theatre:)
suewhistle Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 Of course the real interesting time would be when we move to a larger theatre:) Shhhhh, you'll start the cynics off on one. This whole discussion is one illustration why we need a bigger ground. At the moment the club need to maximise revenue, but I'm sure they realise they also need to start recruiting fresh young blood for the future, and at current capacity and prices that's difficult for many. Anyway, it's just reminded me I need to get on to my mate in Soton to remind him I need a ticket for the first match of the season and to book a place on his sofabed.. A skyping I will go....
Saint_Randell Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 Don't forget you'll be able to watch almost every match online somewhere, I know it's no substitute for going but something to take into consideration. Wouldn't take much to get what you get on your laptop up on your TV and you could watch it on there.
dune Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 I agree with Orange, for some of us £30 is an amount to think about. Sometimes I wonder what sort of meal I could cook at home for that price (let alone the money saved in the pub and for transport): decent bottle of wine (£10-12), smoked salmon, black Bream from Littlehampton, some venison, diver caught scallops. Good chance of a **** afterwards in the right circumstances! As it is when I get the chance I spend it on a ticket and pints with my friends... I always knew you were a classy bird Suzy.
Saint_Jonny Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 seriously, because someone can afford to go..why does that make them fair weather yet those who now can't really afford it...proper fans..? To be fair, my Facebook / Twitter is rammed full of people I didn't even know were Saints fans til' about 3 months ago, when it looked like we really might go up. There will be TONNES of JCL's buying ST's for either the first time, or the first time in ages, just because we are back in the Prem.
LGTL Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 I think it really does depend on where you sit as to how happy/annoyed you are with the pricing. My ST in the Northam went from £540 last season to £575. A student ticket in the same area £440 last season to £475 this. Very happy with that.
St Chalet Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 Prices are not a million miles of what they were when we were last in the Prem from memory. Unfortunately it is supply and demand.
fromdayone Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 not sure if salary is the issue for some it is disposable income that is the problem I'm lucky enough to be minted so I have no issue with price hikes, in fact i dont even know why i'm reading this thread!
doddisalegend Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 Please do not point that out Block 20 is the preserve of the old boys club Block 20 is in the family stand. Somone pointed out in the season ticket price thread that the ticket office have told them that you can't have a seat in the family stand unless you have a childs ticket so get ready for the club to move you into the chapel...
Colinjb Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 There was always going to be unhappy people when prices rise, in this case, utterly innevitable that Premiership football will demand a premium. The shrinking of the family area to just the Kingsland/Chapel corner is a bit cheeky though. Can see myself queuing for a beer there at half time next season.
AussieDog Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 Family centre - adult 495 + u11 100 = 595 for the pair. That seems pretty good value to me! What did you pay this past season? The prices per se are fair, but the way it is structured for concessions, not. My 9 yr old daughter has been coming with me for the last three years, but now she has to pay full whack I can't get her a ST. Because many games will be evening matches, it will cost me about 30-40 quid more per game if I get us both STs. And I can't get myself a ST only, because then my daughter wouldn't be able to sit with me for the games she can come. It also removes the material bond that children feel through having a ST. It will be harder for football to win against all her other commitments and interests if there isn't the ST to keep her coming to games. As a result, I am giving up on my ST for the first time in living memory, and I suspect the club may lose a young fan. My brother is in the same predicament with his daughter, so that is 4 STs gone immediately, and I suspect I ain't going to be the only one in this situation.
doddisalegend Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 So can anyone explain why prices have to go up? The way I see it I will be sat in the same staduim, watching the same players(mostly), under the same manager (unless the rumours are true) the match day experince will be different how (apart from the fact there will be less match days)? Our club claims to be debt free has just been given a 50 million windfall andthe first thing they do is hike the prices up cuase it's the PL...other than getting to see Wayne Rooney live I'm at a loss what the PL actually gives the average football fan. On the other hand can't blame the club for jumping on the band wagon..
Thedelldays Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 So can anyone explain why prices have to go up? The way I see it I will be sat in the same staduim, watching the same players(mostly), under the same manager (unless the rumours are true) the match day experince will be different how (apart from the fact there will be less match days)? Our club claims to be debt free has just been given a 50 million windfall andthe first thing they do is hike the prices up cuase it's the PL...other than getting to see Wayne Rooney live I'm at a loss what the PL actually gives the average football fan. On the other hand can't blame the club for jumping on the band wagon.. put it on the other foot would you pay £600-£800 for a season ticket in league 2...? thought not
doddisalegend Posted 24 May, 2012 Posted 24 May, 2012 put it on the other foot would you pay £600-£800 for a season ticket in league 2...? thought not That doesn't answer the question. What is so special about the PL ...other than it's superior marketing division. How has the saints match day experince changed to justify the increase in ticket prices? Why are you happy to pay more to watch Lambert and co play Arsenal than cardiff? Just interested
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