Turkish Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 45 years ago today they were legalised. What are your views on them? Should they still be illegal? Is it great to have the choice if you want to have a baby or not? Does one person effective have the right to decide if another one has the right to live or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 They should be legal, everyone should have the choice. Its a monumental life choice. Sweepstake on SaintAndy666' first life experienced view ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 Coathangers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Z5K_pKbto&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 definitely legal is right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 45 years ago today they were legalised. What are your views on them? Should they still be illegal? Is it great to have the choice if you want to have a baby or not? Does one person effective have the right to decide if another one has the right to live or not? Shouldn't be illegal, as the alternatives are worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 Illegal if you wear whole tracksuits. Otherwise it's your decision to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2012 but by them being legal are we giving authority for one person to decide if another has the right to live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 but by them being legal are we giving authority for one person to decide if another has the right to live? I don't think the blob of what ever up there is classes as a person......is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2012 I don't think the blob of what ever up there is classes as a person......is it? It's still a living being and would become a human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 It's still a living being and would become a human. it would become a human.....maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 I'm grateful for them being an option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 It's still a living being and would become a human. You could say something similar about what ends up going into your "special sock". Don't know why such primacy is being placed on the human right to live. Anyone reading this is a massive accident of chance ( at least from your Dad's side ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 I have a very different attitude to abortions now - much older and two kids of 9 and 7 - than I did at 19 and 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2012 I have a very different attitude to abortions now - much older and two kids of 9 and 7 - than I did at 19 and 26. What's your view now Timothy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 (edited) What's your view now Timothy? Bit on the fence tbh. Ideally if you can see a pregnancy through to completion you should imo. The maximum time for a termination should definitely be brought down to something like 16 weeks. Aborting at 27 weeks is barbaric imo. Edited 23 May, 2012 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 I am against...right to life and all that. Too many women use them as contraception. Population is too high but that's another subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 (edited) Tough one. Wouldn't let it go to 24 weeks, unless the mother was in real danger. Don't agree with it as a "lifestyle" choice either, but wouldn't want to see choice withdrawn. And anyone who has seen a 19 week scan would not say it is just a "bunch of cells" Edited 23 May, 2012 by Special K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 I am against...right to life and all that. Too many women use them as contraception. Population is too high but that's another subject. I've been under the misconception (if you'll excuse the pun) that it generally takes a woman AND A MAN to make a baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2012 I've been under the misconception (if you'll excuse the pun) that it generally takes a woman AND A MAN to make a baby. What's your view BTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 What's your view BTF? I don't really have a view one way or the other (for a change!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 They should be legal, everyone should have the choice. Its a monumental life choice. Sweepstake on SaintAndy666' first life experienced view ? Doesn't look like your sweepstake was too popular. However, I agree with you 100%. I can't imagine how much of a tough decision it must be for those who are forced to take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 A miscarriage is a disaster, but an abortion is okay? Same baby. I think as you become older your opinion on this changes. Personally, abortion does not sit well with me, but of course women need to have that option. The alternative is even worse - bottle of gin and the stairs. I think the upper limit for the number of weeks should be reduced, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2012 Doesn't look like your sweepstake was too popular. However, I agree with you 100%. I can't imagine how much of a tough decision it must be for those who are forced to take it. Indeed. It must be tough to end a life. That is what its effectively doing isn't it Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2012 I don't really have a view one way or the other (for a change!) Hmm, im not sure i believe you....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 I take the opposite view to this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 Hmm, im not sure i believe you....... No, I really don't. I can also understand and sympathise with both sides of the debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 Some politician in Arizona recently tried to make it illegal in Arizona for men to masturbate to protect potential children. Even in Arizona that one never got off the ground! It's tough to know where to draw the line between meaningful life and living blob. I think abortion should be legal until the fetus starts to look like Winston Churchill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 24 weeks is too late. Babies are regularly surviving at that duration already. Some statistics were released last week that some women are now on their NINTH abortion. To me that sounds like its being used for contraception - something it was never intended to be, but then its just another way that UK 2012 has perverted noble and just causes by selfishness and laziness. For me abortion is murder, but I can live with it as a necessary evil in some cases. But the current guidelines are plain wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 'tis murder, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 Indeed. It must be tough to end a life. That is what its effectively doing isn't it Andy. It is ending a potential life, yes... there is no doubt about that, it's fact. And I wouldn't want to belittle or simplify what is an incredibly hard decision for anyone who has to take it. However, I maintain my view that it is a fundamental right of a woman to be able to have an abortion if she chooses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 its got me out of a pickle thank god for science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 Some politician in Arizona recently tried to make it illegal in Arizona for men to masturbate to protect potential children. Even in Arizona that one never got off the ground! It's tough to know where to draw the line between meaningful life and living blob. I think abortion should be legal until the fetus starts to look like Winston Churchill. What a ridiculous idea. I do wonder sometimes re the Vatican's position, what they think about the billions of sperm which never make it... given their extreme position on condoms and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 Well, I can agree it can be banned as long as all men involved in an unwanted pregnancy are castrated and then have to take care of the baby... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 Well, I can agree it can be banned as long as all men involved in an unwanted pregnancy are castrated and then have to take care of the baby... Well put, Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 Wouldn't have one meself. Other people can make their own informed choice, who am I to judge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 May, 2012 It is ending a potential life, yes... there is no doubt about that, it's fact. And I wouldn't want to belittle or simplify what is an incredibly hard decision for anyone who has to take it. However, I maintain my view that it is a fundamental right of a woman to be able to have an abortion if she chooses. What about the fundamenntal right of the unborn baby to life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 May, 2012 Well, I can agree it can be banned as long as all men involved in an unwanted pregnancy are castrated and then have to take care of the baby... Why should they be castrated? No one is saying women's fannies be sown up or wombs ripped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 24 May, 2012 Share Posted 24 May, 2012 I couldn't take up a stance as simplified as banning all abortions, there are too many factors that can be involved for any blanket decision. However, after having children and having kept up to date with what would be happening with the baby's development right through pregnancy, I would have trouble ever getting over it if any woman had my baby aborted. They "exist" as an entity, a life of their own, a lot earlier than many would have you believe. I would raise a child on my own rather than have it aborted if that were a choice. I've been sickened in the past and actually found myself permanently distanced from a friend who saw abortion as just the next method of contraception. He thought it wasn't any big deal that a couple of different girlfriends had had them. I am anti-abortion in most cases, but not as an overall decision. What's your view Turkish? You seem to be just playing devil's advocate, but you must have a viewpoint too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 24 May, 2012 Share Posted 24 May, 2012 It's only about 3 generations ago that when babies were born, at home, more often than not, if there was anything wrong with them, they'd go on the fire...true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 24 May, 2012 Share Posted 24 May, 2012 24 weeks is too late. Babies are regularly surviving at that duration already. This, unless mother is at risk of being killed or the baby has no chance of survival. If it is legal, I would halve limit to 12 weeks. IMO as a method of contraception, abortion is wrong. People should learn to take precautions. I realise that this doesn't cover rapes and such like, but that is the minority. If you can't keep your leg's closed, or pop a pill, put on a rubber, coil, morning after pill, whatever, then you should live with the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 May, 2012 Share Posted 24 May, 2012 What about the fundamenntal right of the unborn baby to life? This. Why should a little innocent be deprived of life just because "Mummy" got too p*ssed one night 9 months before ? YES - it does happen. And if it is so "traumatic" to have an abortion, why are there now recorded cases of some women having had NINE abortions ? And I suggest some of you sanctimonious pro-choicers go and look up what is involved in a "partial birth" abortion. the most disgusting thing I have ever read about. The doctor who thought that up is on a par with Josef Mengele. The women and pressure groups in the 50s and 60s who fought for legal abortion had a moral and noble cause, imo. Some women of the 90s, noughties and tens (?) are moral trash that have sullied the achievements of their forebears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 24 May, 2012 Share Posted 24 May, 2012 Completely against unless it's rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 May, 2012 This. Why should a little innocent be deprived of life just because "Mummy" got too p*ssed one night 9 months before ? YES - it does happen. And if it is so "traumatic" to have an abortion, why are there now recorded cases of some women having had NINE abortions ? And I suggest some of you sanctimonious pro-choicers go and look up what is involved in a "partial birth" abortion. the most disgusting thing I have ever read about. The doctor who thought that up is on a par with Josef Mengele. The women and pressure groups in the 50s and 60s who fought for legal abortion had a moral and noble cause, imo. Some women of the 90s, noughties and tens (?) are moral trash that have sullied the achievements of their forebears. Listening to an interview on 5 with a nurse yesterday it seems that abortions are legal if the pregenant women will suffer mental problems due to having a baby. Ie a woman who has a one night stand and gets pregnant could walk in and say "i dont want the baby because i cant afford one" That is not a legal reason to have an abortion. However saying, "i dont want the baby because i would be highly stresed that due to not being able to afford one" is a legal reason to be granted one. It seems as long as you can make out its going to cause you a bit of stress then your laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 24 May, 2012 Share Posted 24 May, 2012 Nothing like this should ever be illegal, but, 24 weeks is far too long in the pregnancy cycle and any normal, compos mentis person will know after 8 weeks, or even 12 weeks - 24 weeks is obscenely late to make the call! I can not believe there are people out there who go "actually, I don't want this baby now" two thirds of the way in to their pregnancy!!? Mind you, judging by the state of a lot of people I see, I am getting more and more appalled by the general public in this country, so I can see people like that, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 24 May, 2012 Share Posted 24 May, 2012 Whether or not abortion is moral or not, and whether it should be legal or not is always a matter of personal opinion and a strong bias one way or the other by the general population will usually get that opinion made into law. Arguing for or against a matter as important as this based on what somebody read in the Daily Mail, Daily Mirror, or overheard in the pub about some "slut" that goes out S(h)agging every night and just has an abortion when she feels like it should not really have any impact in any decision regarding whether or not it should be legal or not. People drink, some people get drunk. That's how they got prohibition in America. The will of the few over the will of the majority based on the 10% of people that can't hold their booze. While some people can behave abhorrently, their actions should not hold sway over the rights of the majority. (All personal opinion, of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 May, 2012 Share Posted 24 May, 2012 (edited) Better to have an abortion than to bring a child into the world that isn't wanted or can't be cared for. And if abnormalities show up on the scans it's probably the kindest thing to do. Edited 24 May, 2012 by dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 May, 2012 Share Posted 24 May, 2012 This, unless mother is at risk of being killed or the baby has no chance of survival. If it is legal, I would halve limit to 12 weeks. IMO as a method of contraception, abortion is wrong. People should learn to take precautions. I realise that this doesn't cover rapes and such like, but that is the minority. If you can't keep your leg's closed, or pop a pill, put on a rubber, coil, morning after pill, whatever, then you should live with the consequences. Because contraception never fails, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 24 May, 2012 Share Posted 24 May, 2012 Better to have an abortion than to bring a child into the world that isn't wanted or can't be cared for... Not sure I could agree with that bit. I still believe "Society" is better than that. A proper and streamlined approach to adoption or fostering might reduce the number of "unneccesary" abortions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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