dronskisaint Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 It's customary to play our matches at St Mary's, it's customary to use whoever it is for the bingo bus, it's customary for our evening games to be played Tuesdays, it's customary to get season ticket prices announced in June...get over yourselves, we've just been promoted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Who has used this as a gripe against Cortese in this thread? Apart from one other poster mentioning his name, you're the only one to bring him into it. Tsk, Kracken you should know by now that any post that doesn't give credit to the chairman is people with an axe to grind. I actually don't give a f*ck that we don't know how much tickets are yet, unless it's above my cut off point for football then I'll get one, but then I am loaded so have loads of spare cash. However not everyone is as fortunate (aka driven, Motivated, successful and ambitious) as me so will need to know how much they have to spend, if it's an installments plan how much they have to budget monthly etc. Frank "the voices of reason" Cousin comments about "tough sh*t if you can't afford it" "you know this time of year you need to spend £500-£700" are dismissive and arrogant in the extreme. £500-£700 is not an insignificant sum for most people so it would be nice for them to know as soon a posssible how much it's going to cost. It's called customer service, something the club has lacked since Luker quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 I've got a feeling that we will make a 'big name' signing followed by the season ticket pricing announcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 I've got a feeling that we will make a 'big name' signing followed by the season ticket pricing announcement. People will buy season tickets regardless of early summer signings, no real need to go out of their way to combine the two. When a signing comes it will boost the sales, but tickets can go on sale beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 he's probably waiting for the costing on the extra 20,000 seats he's going to add to the stadium and to complete the signings of Messi, Kaka, Mata and the others FFS. I mean jesus we're bigger than Everton, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Barcelona and all so he knows we'll sell out our tickets ten fold and even have to expand Southampton airport to deal with the Japanese and Indian football tourists we're BOUND to see flooding through the gates. You lot are all just stuck in a small time dell attitude FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 (edited) he's probably waiting for the costing on the extra 20,000 seats he's going to add to the stadium and to complete the signings of Messi, Kaka, Mata and the others FFS. I mean jesus we're bigger than Everton, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Barcelona and all so he knows we'll sell out our tickets ten fold and even have to expand Southampton airport to deal with the Japanese and Indian football tourists we're BOUND to see flooding through the gates. You lot are all just stuck in a small time dell attitude FFS Don't forget the Africans, now Jaidi is out there that becomes our catchment area too. FFS. I'm looking forward to welcoming Mogadishu, Arusha nd Nairobi Saints to SMS next season. Edited 22 May, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 the move to get jaidi to represent us in Africa must have been sparked by the fact Gambia is 100% saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 NC can wait for as long as likes - I'm getting an ST. In the past, I've always been hacked off when induced to buy an ST early to get a discount and then the squad is decimated and no decent signings brought in - it always felt like..."OK we've got your money, now we can serve up rubbish football". Not since NC has been at the helm - I'm more than happy to keep hold of my money while I wait with bated breath on new arrivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Whoever wants one, will get one... Spin it however you want, but that's how it is. Oh yeah.... and Cortese out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 :QUOTE=Avenue Saint;1373660]Whoever wants one, will get one... Spin it however you want, but that's how it is. Oh yeah.... and Cortese out![/]time for the guild dog me thinks ha ha ha ha!:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Tsk, Kracken you should know by now that any post that doesn't give credit to the chairman is people with an axe to grind. I actually don't give a f*ck that we don't know how much tickets are yet, unless it's above my cut off point for football then I'll get one, but then I am loaded so have loads of spare cash. However not everyone is as fortunate (aka driven, Motivated, successful and ambitious) as me so will need to know how much they have to spend, if it's an installments plan how much they have to budget monthly etc. Frank "the voices of reason" Cousin comments about "tough sh*t if you can't afford it" "you know this time of year you need to spend £500-£700" are dismissive and arrogant in the extreme. £500-£700 is not an insignificant sum for most people so it would be nice for them to know as soon a posssible how much it's going to cost. It's called customer service, something the club has lacked since Luker quit. Ahr Turkish, the supreme being, voice of the people...what part of 'knowing that its going to be between £500-£700 do you not understand?' If you desperately want an ST for a prem season, you KNOW that its going to be in this ball park and make allowances - its called budgeting your finances. As you are 'loaded' perhaps you dont need to think of such things, but teh point is perfectly simple and you make it yourself (without recognising it) - it is a significant sum of money for most people - as sum that is NOT likely to be an impluse purchase and should not be for anyone with common sense managing on a budget in difficult times... so anyone wanting to renew or buy one for the first time, unless totally naive will now this is the ballpark and have planned acordingly... which means waiting 2-3 weeks for whether its £509 or £685 is surely not going to make a whole lot of difference.. If the mrs demands a new sofa (as the little sychophant Duney is so xpressly telling us all is such an issue) thats life... you makes you choice for most folk, New sofa or ST and new Mrs... life is like that for 'most' people. Difficult choices that adults have to make.... and yes its tough **** - deal with it, we all have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Ahr Turkish' date=' the supreme being, voice of the people...what part of 'knowing that its going to be between £500-£700 do you not understand?' If you desperately want an ST for a prem season, you KNOW that its going to be in this ball park and make allowances - its called budgeting your finances. As you are 'loaded' perhaps you dont need to think of such things, but teh point is perfectly simple and you make it yourself (without recognising it) - it is a significant sum of money for most people - as sum that is NOT likely to be an impluse purchase and should not be for anyone with common sense managing on a budget in difficult times... so anyone wanting to renew or buy one for the first time, unless totally naive will now this is the ballpark and have planned acordingly... which means waiting 2-3 weeks for whether its £509 or £685 is surely not going to make a whole lot of difference.. If the mrs demands a new sofa (as the little sychophant Duney is so xpressly telling us all is such an issue) thats life... you makes you choice for most folk, New sofa or ST and new Mrs... life is like that for 'most' people. Difficult choices that adults have to make.... and yes its tough **** - deal with it, we all have to.[/quote'] During the interval there was a cool draught in Hélène’s box as the door opened and in walked Anatole, stopping and trying not to brush against anyone. ‘Allow me to introduce my brother,’ said Hélène, her eyes shifting uneasily from Natasha to Anatole. Natasha turned her pretty little head towards the handsome adjutant and smiled at him over her bare shoulder. Anatole, who was just as handsome close to as he had been from a distance, sat down beside her and said this was a delight he had long been waiting for, ever since the Naryshkins’ ball, where he had had the unforgettable pleasure of seeing her. Kuragin was much more astute and straightforward with women than he ever was in male company. He talked with an easy directness, and Natasha was agreeably surprised to discover that this man, the butt of so much gossip, had nothing formidable about him – quite the reverse, his face wore the most innocent, cheery and open-hearted of smiles. Kuragin asked what she thought of the opera, and told her that at the last performance Semyonova had fallen down on stage. ‘Oh, by the way, Countess,’ he said, suddenly treating her like a close friend of long standing, ‘we’re getting up a fancy-dress ball. You must come – it’s going to be great fun. They’re all getting together at the Arkharovs’. Please come. You will, won’t you?’ As he spoke he never took his smiling eyes off Natasha, her face, her neck, her exposed arms. Natasha knew for certain he was besotted with her. She liked this, yet she could feel the temperature rising and she was beginning to feel somehow cornered and constrained in his presence. When she wasn’t looking at him she could sense him gazing at her shoulders, and she found herself trying to catch his eye to make him look at her face. But when she looked into his eyes she was shocked to realize that the usual barrier of modesty that existed between her and other men was no longer there between the two of them. It had taken five minutes for her to feel terribly close to this man, and she scarcely knew what was happening to her. Whenever she turned away she bristled at the thought that he might seize her from behind by her bare arm and start kissing her on the neck. They were going on about nothing in particular, yet she felt closer to him than she had ever been to any other man. Natasha kept glancing round at Hélène and her father for help – what did it all mean? – but Hélène was deep in conversation with a general and didn’t respond to her glance, and her father’s eyes conveyed nothing but their usual message, ‘Enjoying yourself? Jolly good. I’m so pleased.’ There was an awkward silence, during which Anatole, the personification of cool determination, never took his voracious eyes off her, and Natasha broke it by asking whether he liked living in Moscow. She coloured up the moment the question was out of her mouth. She couldn’t help feeling there was something improper about even talking to him. Anatole smiled an encouraging smile. ‘Oh, I didn’t like it much at first. Well, what is it that makes a town nice to live in? It’s the pretty women, isn’t it? Well, now I do like it, very much indeed,’ he said, with a meaningful stare. ‘You will come to the fancy-dress ball, Countess? Please come,’ he said. Putting his hand out to touch her bouquet he lowered his voice and added in French, ‘You’ll be the prettiest woman there. Do come, dear Countess, and give me this flower as your pledge.’ Natasha didn’t understand a word of this – any more than he did – but she felt that behind his incomprehensible words there was some dishonourable intention. Not knowing how to respond, she turned away as if she hadn’t heard him. But the moment she turned away she could feel him right behind her, very close. ‘Now what? Is he embarrassed? Is he angry? Should I put things right?’ she wondered. She couldn’t help turning round. She looked him straight in the eyes. One glance at him, standing so close, with all that self-assurance and the warmth of his sweet smile, and she was lost. She stared into his eyes, and her smile was the mirror-image of his. And again she sensed with horror there was no barrier between the two of them. The curtain rose again. Anatole strolled out of the box, a picture of composure and contentment. Natasha went back to her father’s box, completely taken by the new world she found herself in. All that was happening before her eyes now seemed absolutely normal. By contrast, all previous thoughts of her fiancé, Princess Marya, her life in the country, never even crossed her mind. It was as if it all belonged to the distant past. Oh sh.it is this not the place to write incredibly long tomes that no one is going to read? Sorry i was just taking my lead from Frank's Cousin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Oh sh.it is this not the place to write incredibly long tomes that no one is going to read? Sorry i was just taking my lead from Frank's Cousin. would have been moderately amusing if 6 lines counts as a 'long tome' on here... are you being critical of the reading age and attention span of the average poster on here, or just talking about your own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 You can't conclude that those other clubs are desperate for the cash necessarily, but it is at least indicative that we are not in desperate need of it. And yes, our owners are wealthier than some of those at clubs you mentioned. Personally, as a ST holder of many years, I'm quite happy that I'll be able to keep the money in my bank account for a bit longer. I really don't know why some are getting their knickers in a twist about it. Because this is an Internet message board and that's what people do on an Internet message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 .... it is a significant sum of money for most people - as sum that is NOT likely to be an impluse purchase and should not be for anyone with common sense managing on a budget in difficult times... The point is though; it often IS an impulse purchase for some people. Many people will think one way or the other, should I or shouldn't I, so any advantage that can be gained to get them on board should be taken IMO. You have the diehards who will buy a season ticket come what may, and will budget accordingly. But there is also a large potential market who may buy in to the wave of good feeling going around. Look at Reading, 15,000 season tickets sold already; they had nowhere near that figure last season, but they have used their promotion as a brilliant marketing tool to take advantage of the enthusiasm the fans have at the back end of the season. We, instead, wait for things to calm down entirely before getting season tickets out on sale. Now, there's no way of knowing for sure either way, but I'd be much more confident to suggest that the amount of customers we'll attract by the last-minute sales method is less than the number of sales we'd have made than by selling season tickets in the same manner that all other clubs do it. Its a proven, tried and tested method, which is why its altogether baffling we still go against the grain in such a manner. Saying "it doesn't matter, we're loaded, we can afford to be different", as others have said, doesn't do it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Ahr Turkish' date=' the supreme being, voice of the people...what part of 'knowing that its going to be between £500-£700 do you not understand?' If you desperately want an ST for a prem season, you KNOW that its going to be in this ball park and make allowances - its called budgeting your finances. As you are 'loaded' perhaps you dont need to think of such things, but teh point is perfectly simple and you make it yourself (without recognising it) - it is a significant sum of money for most people - as sum that is NOT likely to be an impluse purchase and should not be for anyone with common sense managing on a budget in difficult times... so anyone wanting to renew or buy one for the first time, unless totally naive will now this is the ballpark and have planned acordingly... which means waiting 2-3 weeks for whether its £509 or £685 is surely not going to make a whole lot of difference.. If the mrs demands a new sofa (as the little sychophant Duney is so xpressly telling us all is such an issue) thats life... you makes you choice for most folk, New sofa or ST and new Mrs... life is like that for 'most' people. Difficult choices that adults have to make.... and yes its tough **** - deal with it, we all have to.[/quote'] But with a decent installments plan then perhaps some might be able to afford it that otherwise might not be able to no? Perhaps If people knew now it was going to be £60 a month starting now and finishing in March then that might persuade a few hundred extras? Or maybe it's better customer service to take your method of the price is the price and if you don't like it tough sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 How many years will the clubs policy of not releasing prices until June have to be in place before we can stop having the exact same argument about it every time? 47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 would have been moderately amusing if 6 lines counts as a 'long tome' on here... are you being critical of the reading age and attention span of the average poster on here' date=' or just talking about your own?[/quote'] Nothing wrong with my reading mush, but then i tend to find well written and intelligent prose to be gripping. Now boring pseudo intellectual drones, masquerading as well written prose..... That's better than a head on collision in a car for inducing a coma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 it is a significant sum of money for most people Exactly, if they had been on sale the club would already have my cash. If I get made redundant/car blows up/girlfriend gets knocked up/whatever tomorrow I won't get one, maybe won't go to SMS at all. As it stands I am actually glad they are delaying the sale because the mate I go with might not be able to get a ST (depends on babies n stuff), if he doesn't get one i wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 The point is though; it often IS an impulse purchase for some people. Many people will think one way or the other, should I or shouldn't I, so any advantage that can be gained to get them on board should be taken IMO. You have the diehards who will buy a season ticket come what may, and will budget accordingly. But there is also a large potential market who may buy in to the wave of good feeling going around. Look at Reading, 15,000 season tickets sold already; they had nowhere near that figure last season, but they have used their promotion as a brilliant marketing tool to take advantage of the enthusiasm the fans have at the back end of the season. We, instead, wait for things to calm down entirely before getting season tickets out on sale. Now, there's no way of knowing for sure either way, but I'd be much more confident to suggest that the amount of customers we'll attract by the last-minute sales method is less than the number of sales we'd have made than by selling season tickets in the same manner that all other clubs do it. Its a proven, tried and tested method, which is why its altogether baffling we still go against the grain in such a manner. Saying "it doesn't matter, we're loaded, we can afford to be different", as others have said, doesn't do it for me. So, we're all in agreement then.... Cortese is a rubbish business man who doesn't know what he's doing. (but I can't say that in case it comes across as suggesting the Cortese is beyond criticism) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Ha... since when was this forum the home of 'well written and intelligent prose'? If that was one of the 'rules' most threads would consist of around 2 posts... and I have never pretended that my contributions warrant a Pulitzer... Indedd if I had any gift for well written and intellectual prose, do you think I would waste it on here? You obviously ahve too much time on your hands if you can waste it copy and pasting sections form literature, and comment on the quality of others posts, yet not bother to read them in the first place... why not simply ignore if they dont reach your 'intellectual' standards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 So, we're all in agreement then.... Cortese is a rubbish business man who doesn't know what he's doing. (but I can't say that in case it comes across as suggesting the Cortese is beyond criticism) No, Cortese is doing a cracking job but the customer service side, particularly ticket sales needs some considerable improvement. FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 But with a decent installments plan then perhaps some might be able to afford it that otherwise might not be able to no? Perhaps If people knew now it was going to be £60 a month starting now and finishing in March then that might persuade a few hundred extras? Or maybe it's better customer service to take your method of the price is the price and if you don't like it tough sh*t. Fair point on installments... but had some fans not ripped the club (and fellow fans ) of by abusing it, combined with those that conned thir way in under the older card system, maybe the club would not feel the need to invest in a whole new system to IMPROVE customer service and esure its fair for all? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Ha... since when was this forum the home of 'well written and intelligent prose'? If that was one of the 'rules' most threads would consist of around 2 posts... and I have never pretended that my contributions warrant a Pulitzer... Indedd if I had any gift for well written and intellectual prose' date=' do you think I would waste it on here? You obviously ahve too much time on your hands if you can waste it copy and pasting sections form literature, and comment on the quality of others posts, yet not bother to read them in the first place... [b']why not simply ignore if they dont reach your 'intellectual' standards?[/b] Why don't you simply ignore the many people that say everything you write is a masterclass in soul destroying tedium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 No, Cortese is doing a cracking job but the customer service side, particularly ticket sales needs some considerable improvement. FACT This. Its amazing the lengths people will go to, to try and justify a minor club policy which can quite clearly and quite easily be improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 No, Cortese is doing a cracking job but the customer service side, particularly ticket sales needs some considerable improvement. FACT I'm not sure how so many fail to understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Why don't you simply ignore the many people that say everything you write is a masterclass in soul destroying tedium? It's not that interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Why don't you simply ignore the many people that say everything you write is a masterclass in soul destroying tedium? Didn't take you long to get in the act hey? For one so soul destroyed by my posts, you seem to be obsessed with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Isn't this all to do with when we changed the end of our financial year to June? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Isn't this all to do with when we changed the end of our financial year to June? You could be right about that, so season ticket sales show in the correct years finances. Still doesn't stop them revealing prices before that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Bloody good job we've been winning loads of matches these past two seasons to keep the JCLs interested on a game by game basis. Adopting the "finishing near the top" policy in the League we're now in is going to cost hundreds of millions, so it's nice to know we can afford to be ignoring all these methods of maximising revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 You could be right about that, so season ticket sales show in the correct years finances. Still doesn't stop them revealing prices before that though. Or announcing when they will go on sale. Or announcing whether there will be a payment plan. Or announcing what the details of the payment plan will be. Personally, even if the FY is the reason, IMO its a poor reason. Effectively sacrificing the opportunity to maximise season ticket sales so that the accounting can be a little bit cleaner? Not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 . Still doesn't stop them revealing prices before that though. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Or announcing when they will go on sale. Or announcing whether there will be a payment plan. Or announcing what the details of the payment plan will be. Your first point they have already done. Was announced at the Coventry game on the big screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Or announcing when they will go on sale. Or announcing whether there will be a payment plan. Or announcing what the details of the payment plan will be. Personally, even if the FY is the reason, IMO its a poor reason. Effectively sacrificing the opportunity to maximise season ticket sales so that the accounting can be a little bit cleaner? Not for me. How are any sales being sacrificed? People want them. They can't buy them yet. When they can they will. Or have I read this wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Effectively sacrificing the opportunity to maximise season ticket sales so that the accounting can be a little bit cleaner? Not for me. At the risk of sounding like I know anything about these things (Which I don't) if we sold them now we would effectively have two lots of season ticket sales in one financial year (which would soon be last years). Given the forthcoming spending to income rules, that would be suicide...especially if we have money to spend. If I am right, it makes perfect sense, but as has been said, no reason why they can't release the prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 How are any sales being sacrificed? People want them. They can't buy them yet. When they can they will. Or have I read this wrong? Reading have cashed in on the euphoria of promotion by flogging season tickets early; they have today passed through the 15,000 mark. And they're not even yet on general sale. in other words, reading have capitalised on the feelgood factor at the end of the season to snap up customers. The 15,000 mark will also have an effect on attracting even more customers. Do you really disagree that our way of selling tickets won't have a detrimental effect compared to if we had taken Reading's example? There's no way of knowing, of course, so its all speculation. But I don't think its outrageous to suggest the Royals have got it spot on, and we potnetially haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Reading have cashed in on the euphoria of promotion by flogging season tickets early; they have today passed through the 15,000 mark. And they're not even yet on general sale. in other words, reading have capitalised on the feelgood factor at the end of the season to snap up customers. The 15,000 mark will also have an effect on attracting even more customers. Do you really disagree that our way of selling tickets won't have a detrimental effect compared to if we had taken Reading's example? There's no way of knowing, of course, so its all speculation. But I don't think its outrageous to suggest the Royals have got it spot on, and we potnetially haven't. Ask the late Steve Jobs. You want it. We want you to have it... But not yet... Swings and roundabouts. Reading have (if I read you right) sold tickets to people who are renewing - my guess is that the vast bulk of those would have bought whenever they were released?? And as for new ST holders (of which I will be one) it makes no odds to me if you sell it me now or eight hours before the first game. I'll still buy it. I'm not sure why with the biggest deficit in our living memory, in a technical recession and with 2.68m unemployed people are blaming the club for letting them hang on to their own money a bit longer...?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Reading have cashed in on the euphoria of promotion by flogging season tickets early; they have today passed through the 15,000 mark. And they're not even yet on general sale. in other words, reading have capitalised on the feelgood factor at the end of the season to snap up customers. The 15,000 mark will also have an effect on attracting even more customers. Do you really disagree that our way of selling tickets won't have a detrimental effect compared to if we had taken Reading's example? There's no way of knowing, of course, so its all speculation. But I don't think its outrageous to suggest the Royals have got it spot on, and we potnetially haven't. I think they also have planning permission for a 38k capacity (and wealthy prospective new owners), so no time to waste and even more reason to maximise season ticket sales 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Ask the late Steve Jobs. You want it. We want you to have it... But not yet... Swings and roundabouts. Reading have (if I read you right) sold tickets to people who are renewing - my guess is that the vast bulk of those would have bought whenever they were released?? And as for new ST holders (of which I will be one) it makes no odds to me if you sell it me now or eight hours before the first game. I'll still buy it. I'm not sure why with the biggest deficit in our living memory, in a technical recession and with 2.68m unemployed people are blaming the club for letting them hang on to their own money a bit longer...?? No, you haven't read me right. It is not just people who are renewing; Reading have a loyalty points system (or Royalty points as they call them), based on season tickets and match tickets etc which get topped up with each purchase. So its not just renewals of season tickets, there will also be people buying who have just been members, so are potentially buying a new season ticket. You're also justifying this approach just by basing it on what you'll do. You've made your mind up that you're buying a season ticket, and that's that. I find it surprising you discount the fact that a longer sales window could lead to more sales. That capitalising of promotion by making STs available straight away could lead to more sales. And that communicating with the fans throuhgout the close-season and promoting sales could lead to more sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 No, you haven't read me right. It is not just people who are renewing; Reading have a loyalty points system (or Royalty points as they call them), based on season tickets and match tickets etc which get topped up with each purchase. So its not just renewals of season tickets, there will also be people buying who have just been members, so are potentially buying a new season ticket. You're also justifying this approach just by basing it on what you'll do. You've made your mind up that you're buying a season ticket, and that's that. I find it surprising you discount the fact that a longer sales window could lead to more sales. That capitalising of promotion by making STs available straight away could lead to more sales. And that communicating with the fans throuhgout the close-season and promoting sales could lead to more sales. Ok. If you think the longer window leads to more sales you must believe people need time to decide to buy? Or are you concerned that people will miss a smaller window for some reason? Neither makes sense if you think about it. The demand is the demand. How can a longer opportunity to buy create more demand?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Ok. If you think the longer window leads to more sales you must believe people need time to decide to buy? Or are you concerned that people will miss a smaller window for some reason? Neither makes sense if you think about it. The demand is the demand. How can a longer opportunity to buy create more demand?? I've stated the reasons I think a longer sales window leads to more sales. I'd have thought it was common sense myself; its certainly telling that we're the only club who seems to believe that a short sales window is the way forward. We're not competing with tin-pot clubs here; we're up against world leaders in their field, who know what they're doing. We'll have to agree to disagree if you think they've clearly got it wrong and ours is a much more efficient system that will lead to exactly the same number of sales. Because I think that's a complete nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Personally I don't care when they announce the ST prices nor when they start selling them ! What I do care about is last minute surprises ! Last year the concession rate changed from 60 to 65 without warning ! The previous year they scrapped the instalment plan without warning ! Booking fees were introduced also ! You basically had to read the small print (online only !) to find out the details and this for me was unacceptable !! Please Nic don't chuck any more Ryanairesque wobblies in our direction this time around ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 (edited) Ok. If you think the longer window leads to more sales you must believe people need time to decide to buy? Or are you concerned that people will miss a smaller window for some reason? Neither makes sense if you think about it. The demand is the demand. How can a longer opportunity to buy create more demand?? I think it is reasonable to suggest that there is a small number of fans that would have been inspired to buy a season ticket in the euphoria of promotion, but have reflected and decided not to. So it's the reverse - not time to decide to buy but time to decide not to buy. Funnily enough the build-it-build-it-build-it-now brigade can't stop banging on about how we are going to attract precisely these type of impulsive casual fans. Let's put this back into context - every other club in our division has decided to sell theirs. Arsenal. Man U. Man City. Chelsea. Obviously none of them have a clue what they are doing and this is clearly revolutionary by our club and they'll all be doing it our way next year. What's that? We did it our way last season and the biggest clubs in the Premier League haven't copied us? Oh. Funny people were saying that kind of thing when we kicked out the local press photographers as it was going to open up a revolutionary new revenue stream. It didn't. It flopped. It was dropped. Let's take off the red and white specs that everything we do is brilliant because we are doing it. Edited 22 May, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Personally I don't care when they announce the ST prices nor when they start selling them ! What I do care about is last minute surprises ! Last year the concession rate changed from 60 to 65 without warning ! The previous year they scrapped the instalment plan without warning ! Booking fees were introduced also ! You basically had to read the small print (online only !) to find out the details and this for me was unacceptable !! Please Nic don't chuck any more Ryanairesque wobblies in our direction this time around ! Don't forget, when we build a 45,000 seater stadium you won't be able to move for flexible ticket prices to bring the fans in. The "enlightened ones" told us so. Just like all those flexible ticket pricing initiatives this season when we had between seven and ten thousand empty seats to fill. Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 I've stated the reasons I think a longer sales window leads to more sales. I'd have thought it was common sense myself; its certainly telling that we're the only club who seems to believe that a short sales window is the way forward. We're not competing with tin-pot clubs here; we're up against world leaders in their field, who know what they're doing. We'll have to agree to disagree if you think they've clearly got it wrong and ours is a much more efficient system that will lead to exactly the same number of sales. Because I think that's a complete nonsense. But surely, a more important factor which influences demand is price - so if the club wanted to sell more STs they could reduce the price couldn't they? Or at least offer an instalment plan? The least possible effect on demand is the window within which to buy a product. If anything, a smaller window pushes demand UP - not down, typically. The fact other clubs have their STs on sale might have everything to do with their cash flow and nothing to do with the number they will utlimately sell. I can tell you how many STs Spurs will sell now. And Chelsea. And Arsenal. And United. And City. They all have waiting lists... Do you really think Wigan will sell more STs this year than last because they are on sale now?? By your logic people who might have bought on the final whistle against Coventry have now gone off the idea because the euphoria has what 'worn off'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 I think it is reasonable to suggest that there is a small number of fans that would have been inspired to buy a season ticket in the euphoria of promotion, but have reflected and decided not to. So it's the reverse - not time to decide to buy but time to decide not to buy. Funnily enough the build-it-build-it-build-it-now brigade can't stop banging on about how we are going to attract precisely these type of impulsive casual fans. Let's put this back into context - every other club in our division has decided to sell theirs. Arsenal. Man U. Man City. Chelsea. Obviously none of them have a clue what they are doing and this is clearly revolutionary by our club and they'll all be doing it our way next year. What's that? We did it our way last season and the biggest clubs in the Premier League haven't copied us? Oh. Funny people were saying that kind of thing when we kicked out the local press photographers as it was going to open up a revolutionary new revenue stream. It didn't. It flopped. It was dropped. Let's take off the red and white specs that everything we do is brilliant because we are doing it. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but that it doesn't make the blindest difference. If people really did rethink their intention to buy a ST, I don't believe they were seriously considering buying one in the first place. And if they were wavering (over finance) an instalment plan (and not a short sales window) is the most effective solution, surely? I would have put them on sale straightaway for cash flow reasons, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 But surely, a more important factor which influences demand is price - so if the club wanted to sell more STs they could reduce the price couldn't they? Or at least offer an instalment plan? The least possible effect on demand is the window within which to buy a product. If anything, a smaller window pushes demand UP - not down, typically. The fact other clubs have their STs on sale might have everything to do with their cash flow and nothing to do with the number they will utlimately sell. I can tell you how many STs Spurs will sell now. And Chelsea. And Arsenal. And United. And City. They all have waiting lists... Do you really think Wigan will sell more STs this year than last because they are on sale now?? By your logic people who might have bought on the final whistle against Coventry have now gone off the idea because the euphoria has what 'worn off'? You've just brought up an entirely different argument. Price has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Whatever the price of season tickets are; whether they are £100 or £600. I maintain that we could sell more in total by getting them on sale as soon as possible after clinching promotion to capitalise on the feelgood factor at that time. I maintain we could sell more in total by having a longer sales window. You clearly don't. You think we're like Apple, and a shorter sales window will actually increase the amount of season tickets we sell. That's fine if that's your opinion. But quite clearly, world leaders such as Man United, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool etc disagree with you, as they don't go for a shorter sales window. they maximise sales by maximising the amount of time in which they can make sales. I'll choose to accept their method as the most efficient one, and not SFC's "Steve Jobs" equivalent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 I would have put them on sale straightaway for cash flow reasons, personally. As you have no idea of the cash flow - strange thing to say. Go back to the fact the end of our financial year is June and to sell them now would fook us up, with regard to the income vs expenditure rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 One thing is for sure, these annual season ticket threads make great reading. Long may they continue. IMHO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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