kelkel31 Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 There is lot smoke around the idea of signing Matt Jarvis from Wolves, and although its widely regarded he is played as a wide left player we think either him or Lallana could play on the right or left effectively. Another lot of speculation regards a player who ive felt for the last year would fit in perfectly with our squad and style of play which is Robert Snodgrass. Further reports on Sky Sports suggest he will not be staying with Leeds and is a player probably well within our budget and a attractive prospect for him. He is another player he plays mainly on the left but could easily play on the right as we like our players to cut in field. If we were able to get both players, both would expect to start more often than not so could Lallana sep up to play the attacking, goal scoring midfield role we think we need or would it leave our centre of the park looking lightweigh with Adam and Morgan? http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11688/7770570/Snodgrass-questions-Leeds-plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 why...? we play with 2 sitting midfielders... that is how we play and been very very successful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 No. We're not going to play with 2 wingers and Lallana in the middle it just wouldn't work, unless we go one up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 No. We're not going to play with 2 wingers and Lallana in the middle it just wouldn't work, unless we go one up front. It's an option, though. 4-2-3-1. Lambert up top with Jarvis, Snodgrass and Lallana behind... Pretty attacking but a decent option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 It's an option, though. 4-2-3-1. Lambert up top with Jarvis, Snodgrass and Lallana behind... Pretty attacking but a decent option. We already have that option (and have played it) with Guly in the AM role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 It's an option, though. 4-2-3-1. Lambert up top with Jarvis, Snodgrass and Lallana behind... Pretty attacking but a decent option. I can see us playing Lambert up front on his own and Lallana in behind quite a lot next season. It's Lallana's most natural position i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 I thought he already did, how often do you see him out wide? He plays in an old fashioned inside left position most of the time. He could play the role but I think he'd need to be more altruistic to make it work really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Yes he can and very effectively though I think he won't play it as a matter of course as I believe we'll generally play two up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 If we are going to play with these 2 defensive midfielders in the prem we will need our 2 fullbacks to provide a much better attacking option than they did last year. They really are going to have to get forward more and support the attack giving us that width we missed alot. We will get murdered if Fox and Richardson or whoever sit back with our 2 centre halves with cork and morgan sat in front of them. Positivity from our full backs for me is key to how well we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 If we are going to play with these 2 defensive midfielders in the prem we will need our 2 fullbacks to provide a much better attacking option than they did last year. They really are going to have to get forward more and support the attack giving us that width we missed alot. We will get murdered if Fox and Richardson or whoever sit back with our 2 centre halves with cork and morgan sat in front of them. Positivity from our full backs for me is key to how well we do. Were the 23 assists from Frazer, Butterfield and Fox not enough last season ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 If we are going to play with these 2 defensive midfielders in the prem we will need our 2 fullbacks to provide a much better attacking option than they did last year. They really are going to have to get forward more and support the attack giving us that width we missed alot. We will get murdered if Fox and Richardson or whoever sit back with our 2 centre halves with cork and morgan sat in front of them. Positivity from our full backs for me is key to how well we do. Quite right, 24 assists this season from Fox, Richardson and Butterfield has been an appalling return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 If we are going to play with these 2 defensive midfielders in the prem we will need our 2 fullbacks to provide a much better attacking option than they did last year. They really are going to have to get forward more and support the attack giving us that width we missed alot. We will get murdered if Fox and Richardson or whoever sit back with our 2 centre halves with cork and morgan sat in front of them. Positivity from our full backs for me is key to how well we do. Fox and Richardson had that attacking responsibility and did it very effectively all season. They may not get the opportunity to do the same next year when they are up against higher quality attackers buit I can't see us changing far from our preferred 4-4-2 with the midfield 4 either adopting two central defensive players and two wide attackers, or a diamond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 (edited) There is lot smoke around the idea of signing Matt Jarvis from Wolves, and although its widely regarded he is played as a wide left player we think either him or Lallana could play on the right or left effectively. Another lot of speculation regards a player who ive felt for the last year would fit in perfectly with our squad and style of play which is Robert Snodgrass. Further reports on Sky Sports suggest he will not be staying with Leeds and is a player probably well within our budget and a attractive prospect for him. He is another player he plays mainly on the left but could easily play on the right as we like our players to cut in field. If we were able to get both players, both would expect to start more often than not so could Lallana sep up to play the attacking, goal scoring midfield role we think we need or would it leave our centre of the park looking lightweigh with Adam and Morgan? http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11688/7770570/Snodgrass-questions-Leeds-plans Nigel Adkins plan A is a 442 system, plan B is a 442 diamond system with Lallana at the tip of the diamond. We have using him in this role for years! You say we need a "goal scoring midfielder", the Saints systems Adkins used last season led the club to promotion and being the Championship's top goalscorers - it didn't require Hammond, Cork or Schneiderlin to score goals as that isn't their role in what the team does. It really doesn't matter who scores goals as long as the team scores goals, doesn't concede many and wins games. As for "lightweight with Schneiderlin", Schneiderlin is the clubs defensive midfielder and is a very effective ball winner that sits justs in front of the centre backs and starts Saints going with his range of passing. A 442 diamond doesn't normally require wingers, central midfielder play in front of the defensive midfielder and the width comes from the fullbacks. Edited 22 May, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 why...? we play with 2 sitting midfielders... that is how we play and been very very successful...Yes, because of the players we have. I don't beleive it will be so successful in the prem, certainly not with the same players. Hammond not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Hammond not good enough. Cork and Schneiderlin will be the first choice pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Cork and Schneiderlin will be the first choice pairing. I'll take your word for it then, thought that NA might want to try to get Morgan to push forward more in the PL.Exploit the time and space you seem to get more of in that league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelkel31 Posted 22 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Nigel Adkins plan A is a 442 system, plan B is a 442 diamond system with Lallana at the tip of the diamond. We have using him in this role for years! You say we need a "goal scoring midfielder", the Saints systems Adkins used last season led the club to promotion and being the Championship's top goalscorers - it didn't require Hammond, Cork or Schneiderlin to score goals as that isn't their role in what the team does. It really doesn't matter who scores goals as long as the team scores goals, doesn't concede many and wins games. As for "lightweight with Schneiderlin", Schneiderlin is the clubs defensive midfielder and is a very effective ball winner that sits justs in front of the centre backs and starts Saints going with his range of passing. not going to argue with the points but offer opposing views the diamond was used but as a means for regaining control of the football and not part of our free flowing goal scoring routeen, add to that the 25 or so goals that our midfielders scored will be somewhat reduced, a new(or existing) goal scorer from midfield is probably still needed. indeed morgan was the player who broke up play the most effectively but i would suggest it was due to guile rather than being a sheer presence, hence why i suggest it would be considered lightweight. i think we need a sheer monster that can sit in that position when needed, in the mould of arsenal's song or chelsea's essien but they are not easy to get hold of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Frimpong ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 the reason Lallana and Guly scored so many goals was that they were given freedom to roam and attack with two from Morgan, Hammond and Cork sitting (well) behind the ball and covering the gaps. The intelligence and defensive discipline of Morgan and Cork in particular is at times lost as we all "ooh" and "ahh" about the goals and eyecatching flicks and skills but ignore the filling in, ball winning and closing down of the middle two. The boiler room has been highly effective. That said I think 442 (away from home in partiuclar) will be suicidal next season and we will have to start looking at 4231 and 451 which may not bode well for Billy Sharp. At times we have matched 2 v 3 in the middle and still won games comfortably but in the premier league that may well prove very, very difficult. Lots to think about...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 I'll take your word for it then, thought that NA might want to try to get Morgan to push forward more in the PL.Exploit the time and space you seem to get more of in that league. I think it's a myth that you get more time and space in the Premier League. I'd say there's actually a lot more pressing in the Prem, and generally teams are better at it, but since the standard of players is higher, they're better at stepping away from it, or even more likely, not giving the ball to people who are already under threat in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 There is lot smoke around the idea of signing Matt Jarvis from Wolves, and although its widely regarded he is played as a wide left player we think either him or Lallana could play on the right or left effectively. Another lot of speculation regards a player who ive felt for the last year would fit in perfectly with our squad and style of play which is Robert Snodgrass. Further reports on Sky Sports suggest he will not be staying with Leeds and is a player probably well within our budget and a attractive prospect for him. He is another player he plays mainly on the left but could easily play on the right as we like our players to cut in field. If we were able to get both players, both would expect to start more often than not so could Lallana sep up to play the attacking, goal scoring midfield role we think we need or would it leave our centre of the park looking lightweigh with Adam and Morgan? http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11688/7770570/Snodgrass-questions-Leeds-plans ...or Tadanari Lee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Nigel Adkins plan A is a 442 system, plan B is a 442 diamond system with Lallana at the tip of the diamond. We have using him in this role for years! . No its not, and lol at Northam Soul, our full backs have been brilliant this year (attacking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 No its not. What is it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 We simply must have an attacking central midfielder, it's vitally important. We need a goal scoring central midfielder because Barcelona have one and so do Chelsea and liverpool. Even Everton have got one in Tim Cahill and we are much bigger than them. Forget the fact that it'll mean changing the way we play totally and with two attacking full backs, two attacking wide midfielders and two strikers well it'll mean we play effective with a back 3 for a lot of next season at least we'll have a central attacking midfielder player like what Barcelona do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 The charge of the light brigade wasn't that successful.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 We simply must have an attacking central midfielder, it's vitally important. We need a goal scoring central midfielder because Barcelona have one and so do Chelsea and liverpool. Even Everton have got one in Tim Cahill and we are much bigger than them. Forget the fact that it'll mean changing the way we play totally and with two attacking full backs, two attacking wide midfielders and two strikers well it'll mean we play effective with a back 3 for a lot of next season at least we'll have a central attacking midfielder player like what Barcelona do. Barcelona pfffht you are so last week Turkish. Haven't you heard? We are the new Montpellier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 The charge of the light brigade wasn't that successful.... But it was magnificent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Barcelona pfffht you are so last week Turkish. Haven't you heard? We are the new Montpellier. We aren't f*cking underdogs you unambtious bulb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 We simply must have an attacking central midfielder, it's vitally important. We need a goal scoring central midfielder because Barcelona have one and so do Chelsea and liverpool. Even Everton have got one in Tim Cahill and we are much bigger than them. Forget the fact that it'll mean changing the way we play totally and with two attacking full backs, two attacking wide midfielders and two strikers well it'll mean we play effective with a back 3 for a lot of next season at least we'll have a central attacking midfielder player like what Barcelona do. Cahill scored about as often as Schneiderlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Cork and Schneiderlin will be the first choice pairing. agree, think we're at our most effective with this pairing......Hammond is not Premiership standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 We aren't f*cking underdogs you unambtious bulb. We are winners Turkish, we don't come 2nd like Barca did this year..... hang on...... WE ARE BARCA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Cahill scored about as often as Schneiderlin. 56 goals in 226 games for Everton says he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 We are winners Turkish, we don't come 2nd like Barca did this year..... hang on...... WE ARE BARCA! and we play in stripes are on the coast and have a fantastic academy. The similarities are frightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 No its not, and lol at Northam Soul, our full backs have been brilliant this year (attacking) Well laugh at you if you think they will get 23 assists next season, most of the year we have been crying out for width and oh i forgot i am not allowed an opinion on here without being ridiculed by the masses. Please do tell from what position those assists came from as expect some of fox were from corners and butterfields from crosses a30-40 yards from the bye line but hey what the **** do i know. I submit to your superior knowledge of the beautiful game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Yes he can, and it's his natural position. I watched him lots as a youth/reserve player and he bossed games from there. When he came into the side he was plonked on the wing as usually happens with youngsters. Don't get me wrong he's done very, very well but I think he would more to offer in the position suggested. We'll have to pack the midfield more in the prem to avoid being overrun. One up top, one in the hole, two wide and two holding is the formation I expect to see more often than not. Pace is needed in the wide areas in the Prem. Imo Lallana will find it easier in the playing in the hole where his slight lack of pace won't be such an issue. If we can get a pacy winger in that would give us an extra dimension and option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Well laugh at you if you think they will get 23 assists next season, most of the year we have been crying out for width and oh i forgot i am not allowed an opinion on here without being ridiculed by the masses. Please do tell from what position those assists came from as expect some of fox were from corners and butterfields from crosses a30-40 yards from the bye line but hey what the **** do i know. I submit to your superior knowledge of the beautiful game Were we crying out for width? I seem to recall lots of salivating at the great football we were playing as we stormed to promotion and easily top scorers. If only we had a width and a goal scoring central midfielder it might all have gone better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Were we crying out for width? I seem to recall lots of salivating at the great football we were playing as we stormed to promotion and easily top scorers. If only we had a width and a goal scoring central midfielder it might all have gone better. This is one of the rare occasions where I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 This is one of the rare occasions where I agree with you. It's also one of the rare occasions you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 didn't the reports/commentators/commentary constantly go on how we make 'the pitch big"..? I think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Well laugh at you if you think they will get 23 assists next season, most of the year we have been crying out for width and oh i forgot i am not allowed an opinion on here without being ridiculed by the masses. Please do tell from what position those assists came from as expect some of fox were from corners and butterfields from crosses a30-40 yards from the bye line but hey what the **** do i know. I submit to your superior knowledge of the beautiful game Thats a good lad MLG, we play a narrow formation with 2 DMs and 2 attacking midfielders with the oppotunity for the FBs to overlap and provide width as well as our strikers to peel wide, its a pretty fluid front line. We dont play a traditional 442 at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 MLG, we play a narrow formation with 2 DMs and 2 attacking midfielders with the oppotunity for the FBs to overlap and provide width as well as our strikers to peel wide, its a pretty fluid front line. We dont play a traditional 442 at all. When did I say we did? I just said it was a "442 system", which doesn't really conflict with your description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 56 goals in 226 games for Everton says he doesn't. 2 goals in the last 18 months says he does. (Hence the ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 2 goals in the last 18 months says he does. (Hence the ) 1 goal every four games over his career = goal scoring midfielder hence the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 When did I say we did? I just said it was a "442 system", which doesn't really conflict with your description. You get off on a technicality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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