The9 Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Now that Bialkowski has been released, and presumably Forecast would also have gone if he wasn't on such a long contract, who do you think that we will get in? Your thoughts? Hahnemann and Craig Gordon have both been released, Fabianski is second choice at Arsenal (though I should think wages would be an issue) and Scott Carson (?) is playing in Turkey and might possibly be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 IF KELVIN IS DEPRIVED OF HIS TOP FLIGHT CHANCE?!?! IF!??! This shouldn't even be on our minds. That man had the chance of the top flight when we were going under but turned it down because he wanted to have a crack at it with us. He's been our most consistent player for 5 years. I don't care who we get in, we could get in the best goalkeeper in the world for all I care (and because I don't particularly follow the foreign game, I don't really know who that is) Kelvin would STILL be our number one. He deserves this more than any other player from any of the three sides promoted and we don't even know who one side is yet. No room for sentiment in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 (edited) Ok guys... I got his age wrong, (somehow). I wasn't criticisng him, I think he's good, and I recall he was a bit special - even as a teenager...but the likes of Hart come only a few times in a decade. Peter Shilton was a teenager when he took over from Gordon Banks, but how many U-30 keepers have made it big time in the last 10 years? - compared that is to the number of keepers overall - not so many I would think. I still maintain an experienced keeper is always preferable over young, untried talent (at least as a goalie.) I expect Saints to sign one Over 30 keeper and a third younger man (we are not discussing Fourpast LOL--on this thread - are we ?) Edited 20 May, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 No room for sentiment in football. Disagree, I don't think it would be great for team moral if we just dumped the players that got us promoted and brought in 11 new first teamers. There has to be a balance between adding quality and keeping the nucleus of the side that won the right to play at a higher level. The team got promoted because they are too good for Championship football. Kelvin was the best keeper in the division. I don't think it would be great management to dump him on the bench for someone who is supposedly better because they have a high price tag. I would bring in a top quality keeper but Kelvin would start as No1. Unless of course there is an obvious gulf in class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Disagree, I don't think it would be great for team moral if we just dumped the players that got us promoted and brought in 11 new first teamers. There has to be a balance between adding quality and keeping the nucleus of the side that won the right to play at a higher level. The team got promoted because they are too good for Championship football. Kelvin was the best keeper in the division. I don't think it would be great management to dump him on the bench for someone who is supposedly better because they have a high price tag. I would bring in a top quality keeper but Kelvin would start as No1. Unless of course there is an obvious gulf in class. Whoever we bring in, I absolutely can't see that it would be done on a "No. 1, No. 2" basis. It will surely be that we bring in a keeper and all talk will be about competition for the first team place. So, with that in mind, it would be Kelvin's place to lose. And there's always the factor that any new keeper may need some time to settle in (as de Gea did at Man United) so it would be a bit stupid to label the new keeper as the new number 1 only to then revert to last year's first choice. It would be crazy to sign a new keeper just as a No. 2, but equally so to deprive KD of the chance to make the spot his own. I think we'll get a keeper equal to or better than KD, but he'll have to earn his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Whoever we bring in, I absolutely can't see that it would be done on a "No. 1, No. 2" basis. It will surely be that we bring in a keeper and all talk will be about competition for the first team place. So, with that in mind, it would be Kelvin's place to lose. And there's always the factor that any new keeper may need some time to settle in (as de Gea did at Man United) so it would be a bit stupid to label the new keeper as the new number 1 only to then revert to last year's first choice. It would be crazy to sign a new keeper just as a No. 2, but equally so to deprive KD of the chance to make the spot his own. I think we'll get a keeper equal to or better than KD, but he'll have to earn his place. Its the back up mentality most of our fans have. People seem to think we should have 11 first team players then 11 or so back up players of lesser ability that are happy to be here in case someone gets injured. This of course is utter nonsense and you need 20 or so good players to compete for the first 11 places in every position. This goes from glovesmen through to strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Its the back up mentality most of our fans have. People seem to think we should have 11 first team players then 11 or so back up players of lesser ability that are happy to be here in case someone gets injured. This of course is utter nonsense and you need 20 or so good players to compete for the first 11 places in every position. This goes from glovesmen through to strikers. We never sign any player unless we think they can be better than what we have. They should always have to prove they are better though. I would keep Kelvin as the No1 wether we spend 10mill or 100K on a keeper. Until the new guy proves he is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 We never sign any player unless we think they can be better than what we have. They should always have to prove they are better though. I would keep Kelvin as the No1 wether we spend 10mill or 100K on a keeper. Until the new guy proves he is better. Not our fans on here, oh no. All we hear is back up, back up, back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Not our fans on here, oh no. All we hear is back up, back up, back up. That's because most of them are dribbling imbeciles who think real life is the same as FM12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 That's because most of them are dribbling imbeciles who think real life is the same as FM12. so true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Al Habse from Wigan would be my choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Adam Bogdan. Bolton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Adam Bogdan. Bolton. That's who I was thinking, as well. All 3 relegated teams have decent keepers who could do a job for us, as does Blackpool, who just failed to go up. Still have a nagging feeling they'll go for Schneichel though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Al Habse from Wigan would be my choice. Quality keeper. I wouldn't be shocked if we went in for KS but I like the lad from Boro and the lad at Blackpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 If we are looking for a decent #2 then Ashdown is out of contract from memory, that said the Skates will probably out bid us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Lee Camp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Adam Bogdan. Bolton. This would be a good omen as the last time we were promoted to the top flight we had a ginger ninja fighting it out for the keepers jersey. QED If we sign Bogdan we will stay in the Prem for at least 27 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Now this is an idea. Erect a lightweight, springly pole in the goalmouth and have a defender twang it occasionally - would be particulary effective for penalties and would enable a 0-1-10 total attack option. Eric Martin was class and should have played for his country. As far as I know he he never had a look in....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Not our fans on here, oh no. All we hear is back up, back up, back up. So we sign a player who is 'better' than what we have and he is only backup to Kelvin - how precisely does does that make sense. You intimate that Kelvin is still your No 1. If we bring someone 'better' in and they are 'better' they should play. It's no good sitting on fences where we will be playing - I think I smell a hint of sentimentality in your post which is always dangerous........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 So we sign a player who is 'better' than what we have and he is only backup to Kelvin - how precisely does does that make sense. You intimate that Kelvin is still your No 1. If we bring someone 'better' in and they are 'better' they should play. It's no good sitting on fences where we will be playing - I think I smell a hint of sentimentality in your post which is always dangerous........ What are you on about? Read my again on this thread and tell me exactly where I have said Kevlin is my number one and we should sign someone better than him but keep them as back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Maybe it will be similar to the Paul Jones/Antti Niemi situation. Jonah started 02/03 and then Niemi took over after a few errorsfrom Jonah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Hahnemann and Craig Gordon have both been released, Fabianski is second choice at Arsenal (though I should think wages would be an issue) and Scott Carson (?) is playing in Turkey and might possibly be interested. Hahnemann was massive when he played in Reading's previous promotion team, but isn't he too old now? Schmeichel K for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Maybe get one of Utds backup keepers on loan. Shay Given could be tempted maybe depending on what happens at Villa but he would want to be first team I bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Maybe get one of Utds backup keepers on loan. Shay Given could be tempted maybe depending on what happens at Villa but he would want to be first team I bet. where he is a villa and player of the season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 I doubt we will have heard of the guy, he will come from the unknown-like Tandari Lee-and I like it that way because they bring the enthusiasm of having to prove themselves, it's going to be an interesting bus load, I'm looking forward to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Blackpools keeper got player of the season for them. Could be worth a look. For me though, I love us to sign Kasper Schmeichel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafiboy27 Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Craig Gordon, no fee needed and an experienced keeper and not a bad one too (for being Scottish and all) +1 Class goalie at his best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Disagree, I don't think it would be great for team morale if we just dumped the players that got us promoted and brought in 11 new first teamers. There has to be a balance between adding quality and keeping the nucleus of the side that won the right to play at a higher level. You mean like we have over the past 2 seasons since Pardew left in League One? If we can sign a better keeper than Kelvin, we should. That's really the end of the argument as far as I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 I doubt we will have heard of the guy, he will come from the unknown-like Tandari Lee-and I like it that way because they bring the enthusiasm of having to prove themselves, it's going to be an interesting bus load, I'm looking forward to it! I hardly think the bloke who scored the winning goal in the nations cup of the most populous continent in the world is "unknown", even if we hadn't heard of him. Equally, I couldn't tell you who 95% of the Bundesliga keepers are, but they're not "unknown" and I'm fairly comfortable at least half of them are better than Kelvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Blackpools keeper got player of the season for them. Could be worth a look. For me though, I love us to sign Kasper Schmeichel Based on his terrible decision making for Cole's first goal in the Play-Off Final, I'd say no. I wasn't impressed with Gilks at all on Saturday and Green totally outshone him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 ]Based on his terrible decision making for Cole's first goal in the Play-Off Final' date=' I'd say no.[/b'] I wasn't impressed with Gilks at all on Saturday and Green totally outshone him. eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzie Saints Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Wot about Green, out of contract at wet spam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Based on his terrible decision making for Cole's first goal in the Play-Off Final, I'd say no. I wasn't impressed with Gilks at all on Saturday and Green totally outshone him. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Wot about Green, out of contract at wet spam No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Wot about Green, out of contract at wet spam out of contract at where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 No. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Adam Bogdan. Bolton. Iam wasting my last post of the day on this,you dont rate Kelvin and you put that clown!!!! This was the keeper who allowed a Tim Howard kick beat him, he had more clangers this season than a 1970's childrens show.Lol. Derry,We dont see eye to eye on keepers it seems. I am saddened that a player who has shown such loyalty to the club, who it could be said the performance at Leeds where his lone brilliance (apart from RL's goal) gave us the 3 points that ultimately was the difference. I would agree that you could point out many times when things happened that became the difference to our season, but to ruthlessly drop KD when he was superb most of the season! I am all for getting a better keeper but he would have to earn his chance not walk straight in, as i believe the squads morale and ethics could well be harmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 where he is a villa and player of the season.. Would be a good signing then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Iam wasting my last post of the day on this,you dont rate Kelvin and you put that clown!!!! This was the keeper who allowed a Tim Howard kick beat him, he had more clangers this season than a 1970's childrens show.Lol. Derry,We dont see eye to eye on keepers it seems. I am saddened that a player who has shown such loyalty to the club, who it could be said the performance at Leeds where his lone brilliance (apart from RL's goal) gave us the 3 points that ultimately was the difference. I would agree that you could point out many times when things happened that became the difference to our season, but to ruthlessly drop KD when he was superb most of the season! I am all for getting a better keeper but he would have to earn his chance not walk straight in, as i believe the squads morale and ethics could well be harmed. Bit of over reaction here Nick. Davis deserves the chance to play in the Premiership and lose his place if he can't perform provided we have competition. Bialkowski was no competition. Bogdan looked decent when he played here for Bolton and that's what I'm going on. If Davis was to be judged in the same way as you have judged Bogdan after some of the errors he has made in the past, he would be hard pressed to get in Salisbury's first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Blackpools keeper got player of the season for them. Could be worth a look. For me though, I love us to sign Kasper Schmeichel Based on his terrible decision making for Cole's first goal in the Play-Off Final, I'd say no. I wasn't impressed with Gilks at all on Saturday and Green totally outshone him. eh? What? This bloke : who was Blackpool's goalkeeper in the Play-Off Final, who decided to stay on his line rather than narrow the angle for West Ham's first goal, when he easily could have come out and given Cole nothing to aim at. Also hasn't particularly impressed me in most other games I've seen him play in this season, and wasn't even the best goalkeeper on the pitch on Saturday, as Rob Green was clearly better than him, making a vital early save and a few improtant blocks later on. Anyone else want that clarified ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 This bloke : who was Blackpool's goalkeeper in the Play-Off Final, who decided to stay on his line rather than narrow the angle for West Ham's first goal, when he easily could have come out and given Cole nothing to aim at. Also hasn't particularly impressed me in most other games I've seen him play in this season, and wasn't even the best goalkeeper on the pitch on Saturday, as Rob Green was clearly better than him, making a vital early save and a few improtant blocks later on. Anyone else want that clarified ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uJoTe1fwbs&feature=related Maybe you could claify how this goal is a goal keeping error. Look at the flight of the ball, it's a heavy touch from Cole which takes it out wide, the only angle Gilks could have come out at would have meant him likely crashing into/being crashed into by the centre half. He did nothing wrong. As for Green, as the England number 2, id expect him to be better, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Is Kasper Schmeichel even that good? I know he had a massive say in Leicester getting 3 points when we played them at their ground but two of my mates are Leeds season ticket holders and they were delighted when he left them. They always viewed him as a fairly decent shot stopper but pretty poor at everything else and were shocked that a club were willing to pay £1m for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Gilkes made a brilliant save from Nolan's shot that hit the bar. He was excellent for Blackpool in their season in the Prem. I seriously think he is an outstanding keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Is Kasper Schmeichel even that good? I know he had a massive say in Leicester getting 3 points when we played them at their ground but two of my mates are Leeds season ticket holders and they were delighted when he left them. They always viewed him as a fairly decent shot stopper but pretty poor at everything else and were shocked that a club were willing to pay £1m for him. I'm sure I watched a couple of games where Kasper was very good at releasing the ball very quickly to set Leicester up for the quick counter attack. I always find it strange when people say goal keepers are good shot stoppers like it's a bad thing. I'd rather have a keeper good at stopping shots than one that's great at coming for corners and ball distribution but isn't a good shot stopper.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 He will be young, probably early 20s, with plenty of potential, ready to start pushing KD from day one, but bought with the plan to be a natural replacement one, probably before KD has stopped playing. Anything else will not meet the clubs ambition. I wouldn't be surprised if he is dutch or at least is playing in Holland. We can forget tried and tested keepers who never quite made it. I really don't think NA (a former goalie himself) is likely to "experiment " with a young keeper in our first season back in the Prem. Man U's TWO young keepers have been very inconsistent this season, and they paid out BIG money for them. However, I do expect us to sign a new number 3 keeper who would meet your description (above), but Bart's replacement will be a seasoned pro. - probably a former Prem. keeper and over 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 I personally would like to see us get Jason Steele. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 That's because most of them are dribbling imbeciles who think real life is the same as FM12. No no no, you can't slag off the spreadsheet don't you know that's what football is about & we're lucky we have such knowledgeable people when it comes to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uJoTe1fwbs&feature=related Maybe you could claify how this goal is a goal keeping error. Look at the flight of the ball, it's a heavy touch from Cole which takes it out wide, the only angle Gilks could have come out at would have meant him likely crashing into/being crashed into by the centre half. He did nothing wrong. As for Green, as the England number 2, id expect him to be better, no? Watch Gilks hesitate on his goal-line and actually take a step back into his goal as Cole is waiting for the ball to drop. Any kind of forward progress towards the ball from where he was would have closed down the entire goal and given Cole no option other than a very fine tightly angled lob. As it was, he managed a scuffed clip into the huge space which Gilks left by staying put which Gilks got nowhere near. And yes, you'd expect Green to be better. Which he was. Edited 21 May, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Watch Gilks hesitate on his goal-line and actually take a step back into his goal as Cole is waiting for the ball to drop. Any kind of forward progress towards the ball from where he was would have closed down the entire goal and given Cole no option other than a very fine tightly angled lob. As it was, he managed a scuffed clip into the huge space which Gilks left by staying put which Gilks got nowhere near. And yes, you'd expect Green to be better. Which he was. Mate, you are clutching at straws. Firstly, the ball from Taylor is sublime - Gilks would have been in two minds as to wether Evatt was going to make it and nod it back towards him, or if it would be coming over the top. THEN, having watched it come over the top, he is in two minds again - If Cole takes a touch I need to close it down BUT if he then hits it first time I am committed and in nomansland. He has to decide what to do in about...... 0.2 of a second. He could have done nothing more than what he done - make himself as big as possible and hope for the best. It was a very good goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 I've been saying we should go after Smithies for some time now. Really do rate him. However he has been injured this season according to my Udders supporting in-laws. He is rated up there. If Udders don't go up next week then I reckon he would worth a bid (And Rhodes as well while we're at it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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