St Chalet Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Can't wait until we start playing football again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Can't wait until we start playing football again. The threads will still descend into farce though. MLG will get all evangelical, Turkish will wind him nice and tight, the usual suspects will chip in and by the end you'll have forgotten what the thread was ever about. Beats Facebook I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Can't wait until we start playing football again. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 (edited) If you think they're too expensive in the championship you're going to be in for a shock next season pal. Why would I be in shock I know what to expect. I will be there regardless. But I think your in for more of a shock if you think we won't sell out our games next season. Which is basically what your saying. So then Newcastle when they were in the CCC had 40k average. The year before they had 49k average. They were not sold out does that make them a small club as your definition says they are? In 2002/03 Leeds Utd had an attendance average of 39k (full house). Following year they had a bad season and had 33k. In the championship next year they had 28k. Next season they had 21k average. Then in league one they had 24k. And the season they just finished they had 22k average. So again by your definition Leeds are a small club? Because it seems to me you define small club on attendances which don't quite show the true story does it? If Leeds where in the PL now they would be getting full houses just like Newcastle do. Just like we will next season. Thinking a club is small just because their attendance in a lower division is lower then a premier league clubs attendance is as I said before, retarded. Every club in the country would fail to sell out their stadium after dropping out of the top flight. I'd love to see these "big clubs" in division three and see what average they get. We had 23k. Higher then the two Sheffield teams, are they small clubs too? Edited 16 May, 2012 by St Marco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Hope he takes Lambert with him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 16 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Can't wait until we start playing football again. Please keep on topic. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Why would I be in shock I know what to expect. I will be there regardless. But I think your in for more of a shock if you think we won't sell out our games next season. Which is basically what your saying So then Newcastle when they were in the CCC had 40k average. The year before they had 49k average. They were not sold out does that make them a small club as your definition says they are? In 2002/03 Leeds Utd had an attendance average of 39k (full house). Following year they had a bad season and had 33k. In the championship next year they had 28k. Next season they had 21k average. Then in league one they had 24k. And the season they just finished they had 22k average. So again by your definition Leeds are a small club? Because it seems to me you define small club on attendances which don't quite show the true story does it? If Leeds where in the PL now they would be getting full houses just like Newcastle do. Just like we will next season. Thinking a club is small just because their attendance in a lower division is lower then a premier league clubs attendance is as I said before, retarded. Every club in the country would fail to sell out their stadium after dropping out of the top flight. I'd love to see these "big clubs" in division three and see what average they get. We had 23k. Almost higher then the two sheffield clubs combined. I guess they are small clubs too? Utter rubbish. I've never said anything remotely like what you are claiming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Utter rubbish. I've never said anything remotely like what you are claiming. Then why did you say it was deluded to think we would sell out a stadium say the size of Evertons? Which is what 2k more then ours right now? I don't think it is deluded to think we could sell out a 36k seater stadium weekly in the PL. If we do well the attendance rises, if we do poor it declines. Same for every club out there. If we go on to have some good seasons our following will increase. Isn't that why we moved from The Dell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 After all that, who is Biggus Diccus and what have we learned that's new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Ha ha ha not even going to read all of this. Not a chance of Liverpool taking him. Are you all completely nuts, and PT, put your 20 back in your wallet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 I don't think it's beyonf the realms of possibility that Adkins would go to Liverpool, and that this may have been in the pipeline for a few weeks. Remember Adkins comments when we got promoted? Seemed strange at the time. Plus the rumours about Cortese looking elsewhere. The question is....do Liverpool have the balls to about someone without a major reputation (even though, personally I think he would do a great job, just as he did with us). Of course...all of the above rumours started in here..... Doesn't mean they aren't true though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 All nonsense of course but if he stays good luck to him,if he goes good luck to him. He's done a great job to get us where we are but he is only a part of an engine driving us forward,a part than can be replaced if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Ha ha ha not even going to read all of this. Not a chance of Liverpool taking him. Are you all completely nuts, and PT, put your 20 back in your wallet! Insurance, mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 my god, silly season has started! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 mlg has been posting drivel again and trying to prove how we're a bigger club than villa because they averaged 4k more than us this season, or something like that. He's received quite a lot of abuse for it and has finally taken the hint that nobody cares and has put a sock in it at last.glad thats sorted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 That must be the quickest 6 pages of Shiite ever posted on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint. Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 can't wait until we start playing football again. this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Then why did you say it was deluded to think we would sell out a stadium say the size of Evertons? Which is what 2k more then ours right now? I don't think it is deluded to think we could sell out a 36k seater stadium weekly in the PL. If we do well the attendance rises, if we do poor it declines. Same for every club out there. If we go on to have some good seasons our following will increase. Isn't that why we moved from The Dell? Who said it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Just read the last page of posts. I have no idea what this thread is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Just two daft extremes. The reality seems quite obvious. We're in a good position, there aren't many clubs Adkins would leave for, but there are always going to be some. Villa probably not but you couldn't rule it out completely. Have to hope we're right that he's enjoying this project and believes in it. Starting over elsewhere is a big risk and very difficult. Here he has great support and admiration, elsewhere he'd be having to prove himself quickly in tough conditions. So I'd say he wouldn't choose Villa, but he wouldn't hesitate with Liverpool and I understand that. Thankfully they and other big clubs wouldn't want him yet anyway, so it's irrelevant. As for the arrogance etc of saints fans, it's just football fans. The vast majority think their club is bigger than it really is yet no-one can agree on what big even means and when you start analysing it, it becomes too tedious to keep giving a sh1t. finally a sensible post. maybe turkish and kracken can learn from you. the fact is saints are currently in a envious position in that we have a positive mentality at the club, ambitious manager and chairman (who may or may not get on), great stadium with expansion potential, financial muscle to evolve the squad, a large fan base and a soon to be world class training facilities. i challenged posters to name more than 5 clubs adkins would consider leaving us for based on CURRENT status of clubs. Some listed Villa and Everton. 100% convinced adkins wouldnt leave us for villa as they have no money to spend and have a very volatile fan base. everton are a big club with huge tradition and history similar to villa however they have no real money either. pound for pound moyes probably best manager in the PL and he has taken everton as far as he can so as great as adkins is I dont think realistically he could take everton any further based on current situation at everton. anyway all irrelevant for the liverpool debate as they will go for "big name" not an up and coming manager who happens to support the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Just read the last page of posts. I have no idea what this thread is about. Liverpool want Adkins This Charming Man has got the ulcer i had from laughing so much at Greenridge His latest joke cracked my rib Adkins will never leave us because in 2005 we average 4,000 less than Villa did this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 A big club in my eyes is defined by how many trophies it has won. Also regarding the adkins thing dont be so sure he would stay if Liverpool came calling in the same way Hoddle left when Tottenham came in for him. And if that was to happen who could blame him because anyone of us would do the same if the shoe was on the other foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Just read the last page of posts. I have no idea what this thread is about. It's about a little boy who longed to be loved. He didn't have any real friends so he made some up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 A big club in my eyes is defined by how many trophies it has won. Also regarding the adkins thing dont be so sure he would stay if Liverpool came calling in the same way Hoddle left when Tottenham came in for him. And if that was to happen who could blame him because anyone of us would do the same if the shoe was on the other foot. And even then we had a load of deluded morons going on about he wont leave, job is a posion chalise, we'll realise our potential at St Marys and he can be part of it all etc. I recall it oh so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 The press seems to be hot on AvB as new Liverpool manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 The press seems to be hot on AvB as new Liverpool manager. He'll fit in well there as he was a victim at Chelsea, right mentality to win the fans over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 And even then we had a load of deluded morons going on about he wont leave, job is a posion chalise, we'll realise our potential at St Marys and he can be part of it all etc. I recall it oh so well. In the unlikely event that Liverpool offered Adkins the job, he'd be gone in a heartbeat. I don't feel the same way about the Villa position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 He'll fit in well there as he was a victim at Chelsea, right mentality to win the fans over. Well, it's a change from stadium sizes, I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 (edited) i challenged posters to name more than 5 clubs adkins would consider leaving us for based on CURRENT status of clubs. It wasn't much of a challenge, was it? Yet you said "I doubt you can". I think the general consensus is that there's no doubt Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Newcastle are all a much bigger attraction than Saints and he'd leave in a heatbeat to go there. So there's 7 straight off the bat. An argument could be made that Sunderland could be added to that list; as for your references to Everton and Aston Villa, that is just based on speculation (especially claiming that we might be as big as them one day). We might be one day, who knows, but at the moment we simply aren't, despite the fact that their attendances have dropped significantly in the past year. To answer your claims above: firstly that Everton have gone as far as they can. They currently are in financial bother, yet they still finished 7th. They spend relatively little on transfer fees but have a very high wage bill, which allows them to regularly compete for the European spots. And they have been and are continuing to look at ways of moving from their antiquated ground into something bigger and better. They are a global brand, having won a European trophy some time ago, and are commercially well ahead of us in terms of actual and potential attraction. As for Villa, they are comparitively in the doldrums for where they should be. A poor managerial choice has seen them slump to their worst position in the Premier League since it began. They still have a relatively decent squad that could quite easily be turned around to a mid-table outfit, and they have the revenues from a bigger ground and the worldwide brand recognition they have. They do have a lot of debt right now, but who knows what their rich owner will choose to do about that. You can try and denigrate my views if you wish, and put them down by saying they "lack sense", but if you're going to put out "challenges" such as I bet you can't name 5 clubs who are bigger than us, then don't be surprised if a lot of people are going to counter that for being arrogant and ill-judged. Edited 17 May, 2012 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 If you're going to use that as your benchmark Millwall took 50k to their league one play off final in 2010. Why aren't they on about a 50k stadium and champions lewgue football? Luton also took 50k there. Carlisle also brought around 18,000 when we played them there. Which is more than we would've taken if the game was played at Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 (edited) Going off-topic (I think): With respect to the "Saints challenging for CL qualification in 5 years" ( example ) argument - everyone is talking crap. Turkish doesn't know that we won't be qualifying for CL. The optimists don't know that we will. Turkish: Why not just press the deluded for a hard date? If said date arrives, bump the thread and bask in the glory of being right on an Internet forum. This approach has several advantages, not least the fact that you can all shut the f*ck up until one of you is right. Edited 17 May, 2012 by pap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 AVB will be Liverpool manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Turkish: Why not just press the deluded for a hard date? If said date arrives, bump the thread and bask in the glory of being right on an Internet forum. But pap this is Dune's thread not Turks. Oh, hold on .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Going off-topic (I think): With respect to the "Saints challenging for CL qualification in 5 years" ( example ) argument - everyone is talking crap. Turkish doesn't know that we won't be qualifying for CL. The optimists don't know that we will. Turkish: Why not just press the deluded for a hard date? If said date arrives, bump the thread and bask in the glory of being right on an Internet forum. This approach several advantages, not least the fact that you can all shut the f*ck up until one of you is right. This forum would be a little dull if everyone kept their opinions to themselves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Going off-topic (I think): With respect to the "Saints challenging for CL qualification in 5 years" ( example ) argument - everyone is talking crap. Turkish doesn't know that we won't be qualifying for CL. The optimists don't know that we will. Turkish: Why not just press the deluded for a hard date? If said date arrives, bump the thread and bask in the glory of being right on an Internet forum. This approach several advantages, not least the fact that you can all shut the f*ck up until one of you is right. Indeed, with the benefit of a crystal ball or time machine no one knows. It's much, much more likely that we wont than we will though, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 But pap this is Dune's thread not Turks. Oh, hold on .... I didn't realse only the orginator of a post was allowed to post on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 I didn't realse only the orginator of a post was allowed to post on it. One of the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 This forum would be a little dull if everyone kept their opinions to themselves... And would be a little better if we didn't have the same junior grade bickering on the same point across loads of different threads. Especially when no-one has any evidence either way. It would be nice to see Turkish and his other accounts diversify their interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Indeed, with the benefit of a crystal ball or time machine no one knows. It's much, much more likely that we wont than we will though, yes? What are you basing your assessments on? I honestly couldn't say what is going to happen to the club in five years because I have very little information to go on. Neither does anyone else on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyhale Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 It must be true as there are NO liar's on this forum just dreamers....The bookies dont seem to think so...... http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/liverpool-specials/next-permanent-manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 And would be a little better if we didn't have the same junior grade bickering on the same point across loads of different threads. Especially when no-one has any evidence either way. It would be nice to see Turkish and his other accounts diversify their interests. It's the pre-season, there's nothing much going on. So naturally people will speculate, as this is a forum people will respond to that speculation and add their opinion to it. The main gripe I have is the sheer arrogance that some of our fans show and their inability to take a step back and look at us from an outsider's perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 It must be true as there are NO liar's on this forum just dreamers....The bookies dont seem to think so...... http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/liverpool-specials/next-permanent-manager As I said earlier in this thread, bookies aren't often wrong. As a Saints fan, I hope they're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 It must be true as there are NO liar's on this forum just dreamers....The bookies dont seem to think so...... http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/liverpool-specials/next-permanent-manager Time to end the thread looking at those odds. Bookies don't often get it very wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 It's the pre-season, there's nothing much going on. So naturally people will speculate, as this is a forum people will respond to that speculation and add their opinion to it. And that's fair enough. The title of this thread is "Liverpool approach Adkins". The vast majority of this thread is an argument that has happened in tons of other threads. The main gripe I have is the sheer arrogance that some of our fans show and their inability to take a step back and look at us from an outsider's perspective. Football fans make unrealistic assessment of own chances shocker. I would humbly suggest that if this sort of thing gets your goat, you probably shouldn't visit football forums. Changing teams won't help either. I've read other fans boards. There's an element of that on all of them. Why are you so miffed about it anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Time to end the thread looking at those odds. Bookies don't often get it very wrong. Disagree. The thread ends when:- a) Nige rules himself out of job in statement (not going to happen, as people will think he's a mentalist if he says that in public) or b) Liverpool picks a new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Christ almighty. This thread is so tedious that I'm actually going to do some work as a distraction from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Christ almighty. This thread is so tedious that I'm actually going to do some work as a distraction from it. Or just don't read it? Just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Disagree. The thread ends when:- a) Nige rules himself out of job in statement (not going to happen, as people will think he's a mentalist if he says that in public) or b) Liverpool picks a new manager. Could be several weeks then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Could be several weeks then... According to your source, he has already been approached! Think Nige will take several weeks making up his mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 May, 2012 The club are going to have issue a rebuttal soon, the silence is very worrying imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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