Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 You said they had a poor squad. How many of this poor squad would get in our team? Relative to the league it has been competing in it is a poor squad and is likely to get worse as the summer progresses as they make cut backs. Saints on the other hand have only just entered the league, have gained access to Premier League levels of income and are in a far stronger position to strengthen in the summer.
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 It makes perfect sense in the context of the post it was responding to. Closer to 27k actually, whilst in the Championship. Compared to Villa's 33k in the world's most high profile league with larger number's of away fans boosted the average. It may well be boring. But then so is taking a counter to my points and then refusing to justify them and resort to personal insults like CB Fry continues to do. It isn't contradictory or irrelevant though. What examples can you give of me doing either of those things? Lets hope he doesn't compare their average of 40,000 in 2008 when they finished 6th with ours in 2003 of 30,600 as based on that he'll clear off.
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Relative to the league it has been competing in it is a poor squad and is likely to get worse as the summer progresses as they make cut backs. Saints on the other hand have only just entered the league, have gained access to Premier League levels of income and are in a far stronger position to strengthen in the summer. How many would get in our squad? The rest of your post is as usual, specualation.
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 You can't even provide a like for like comparison. Just their attendance last year, against our attendance 7 years ago. Brilliant. You should work for NASA, or soemthing. If you hadn't noticed, Saints haven't been in the Premier League for 7 years. So it is as close to a like for like comparison as is possible.
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 any danger of telling us who would and would not get into our match day 16..? No, because that would involve actual thought rather than completely tedious and meaningless speculation.
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 If you hadn't noticed, Saints haven't been in the Premier League for 7 years. So it is as close to a like for like comparison as is possible. What was their attendance 7 years ago? That's the only like for like that means anything. anything else is just your own speculation, and therefore meaningless.
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 No, because that would involve actual thought rather than completely tedious and meaningless speculation. what we should do is speculate now on what both teams squads will be in September, as theirs is apparantly going to get weaker and ours is going to get stronger. Then we decide who is better.
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 What was their attendance 7 years ago? That's the only like for like that means anything. anything else is just your own speculation, and therefore meaningless. For those that give a f*ck it was 37,354.
Saint_Randell Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 TBF, Villa's comparison IS poor, as would ours be if we do not strenghten. Ask any Villa fan and they will tell you their squad is poor...
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 names MLG...names of who would get into our 16 ???????
pap Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Adkins in to 20/1 You're being robbed, mate! Still 66/1 with Bet Victor.
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 For those that give a f*ck it was 37,354. Pah. Ours would have been 37,355 if only we'd had a bigger stadium.
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 TBF, Villa's comparison IS poor, as would ours be if we do not strenghten. Ask any Villa fan and they will tell you their squad is poor... the difference being that most of us would probably take 16th next season if offered it. For Villa it was a disaster and their manager got sacked. What does that tell you about their squad?
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 names MLG...names of who would get into our 16 - Saints' 16 (or 18 as it will next season) will be different to that of today. - Villa on the other hand have just had a season in the Premier League with their squad and finished 16th. As I said my "poor squad" comment was relative to that of the league they were playing in, not a comparison with the Saints squad. Saints haven't had the opportunity yet to build a Premier League squad. If anything Villa will only get weaker this summer due to their money problems.
CB Fry Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Yes, somebody is a sandwich short of a picnic putting them on the list. But then again, it's Fry, so it's really just a wind-up to get a reaction. You know how he reckons that the purpose of an internet forum is to have a laugh and extract the urine. It's not to debate anything remotely serious. Sounds about right to me. To be honest "serious debating" with you and your div mates is not something I plan to do any time soon. Forest was obviously a gag. Villa wasn't. MLG is, of course, a joke.
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 - Saints' 16 (or 18 as it will next season) will be different to that of today. - Villa on the other hand have just had a season in the Premier League with their squad and finished 16th. As I said my "poor squad" comment was relative to that of the league they were playing in, not a comparison with the Saints squad. Saints haven't had the opportunity yet to build a Premier League squad. If anything Villa will only get weaker this summer due to their money problems. Backtracking quicker than an Italian Tank.
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 - Saints' 16 (or 18 as it will next season) will be different to that of today. - Villa on the other hand have just had a season in the Premier League with their squad and finished 16th. As I said my "poor squad" comment was relative to that of the league they were playing in, not a comparison with the Saints squad. Saints haven't had the opportunity yet to build a Premier League squad. If anything Villa will only get weaker this summer due to their money problems. why will they get weaker.....? maybe they will throw up another £18m for another player...something we certainly won't be doing
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Sounds about right to me. To be honest "serious debating" with you and your div mates is not something I plan to do any time soon. Forest was obviously a gag. Villa wasn't. MLG is, of course, a joke. You seem incapable of a debate as you seem to think petty personal insults are a substitute to answering questions posed to you from someone that has a different opinion to that of your own.
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 why will they get weaker.....? maybe they will throw up another £18m for another player...something we certainly won't be doing Because if you hadn't noticed they have racked up huge debts of over £100m and Randy Lerner is going down the Rupert Lowe downward spiral of throwing kids into the team early.
BallBoy Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Can't believe we have got to 4 pages on the basis of a totally unsubstantiated thought.
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Because if you hadn't noticed they have racked up huge debts and Randy Lerner is going down the Rupert Lowe downward spiral of throwing kids into the team early. but..they may turn that into equity...? who knows so, what NAMES will get into our 16 then..for such a poor squad
fez Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Can't believe we have got to 4 pages on the basis of a totally unsubstantiated thought. Quite. Can't a mod change the thread's title? No one has given a shred of evidence that Liverpool has actually approached Adkins.
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Because if you hadn't noticed they have racked up huge debts and Randy Lerner is going down the Rupert Lowe downward spiral of throwing kids into the team early. He doesn't sound like someone who is going to let them go to pot. http://www.birminghampost.net/birmingham-business/richlist/profiles2011/2011/01/23/5-5-randy-lerner-950million-900m-65233-28032443/
Tamesaint Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Has anyone else noticed that as soon as Turkish posts, Delldays posts immediately afterwards. I wonder if they are related - or perhaps Turkish is such a nice boy that he likes a sailor. ;-);-0
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 but..they may turn that into equity...? who knows They aren't allowed to under new financial regulations. so, what NAMES will get into our 16 then..for such a poor squad As I have repeatedly said, my comment was relative to the league they are in. A comparison to the Saints squad won't be relevant until either August 18th or August 31st.
derry Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Martin O'Neill left Villa because he couldn't see them progressing with the signing restrictions and selling the best players. Liverpool look as though they lack something teamwise and look like they need another overhaul. Unless somebody comes in and gets them in the top four they will be gone in the search for instant success. I think there is a bit of the poisoned chalice about both jobs. Lawrie McMenemy comes to mind with the Sunderland job. Pardew could be a target for LPL.
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 (edited) They aren't allowed to under new financial regulations. Edit: I really can't be arsed. Edited 16 May, 2012 by The Kraken
Saint_Randell Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Why did Martinez turn down Villa last summer? Villa is a bigger club than Wigan. It is also a bigger club than Saints. That does not mean to say Adkins would immediately jump ship.
pap Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Quite. Can't a mod change the thread's title? No one has given a shred of evidence that Liverpool has actually approached Adkins. Can I suggest "Bickering with a garnish of speculation" as the new thread title? Sounds classy.
scotty Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 I still think Big Ron Atkinson has alot to offer the right club. HCDAJFU if Nige goes. Christ mate, dont even joke about it, my palms got clammy just then.
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Why did Martinez turn down Villa last summer? Villa is a bigger club than Wigan. It is also a bigger club than Saints. That does not mean to say Adkins would immediately jump ship. Loyalty to Villa and close relationship with the chairman. Cortese and Adkins dont get on. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/10/roberto-martinez-aston-villa-wigan
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Edit: I really can't be arsed. Go on, give it a go.
Wes Tender Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Sounds about right to me. To be honest "serious debating" with you and your div mates is not something I plan to do any time soon. Forest was obviously a gag. Villa wasn't. MLG is, of course, a joke. I struggle to recall any previous time when you have debated anything that seriously. It's something you appear incapable of, because as soon as somebody begins to get the better of you, you throw your toys out of the pram and go into your usual mode of condescending, arrogant, supercilious superiority. And then your cabal of wannabe Frys join in too, so that the thread degenerates into something resembling a primary school playground.
S-Clarke Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Well this is a strange thread.Not sure what it's about.
pap Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Why did Martinez turn down Villa last summer? Villa is a bigger club than Wigan. It is also a bigger club than Saints. That does not mean to say Adkins would immediately jump ship. I don't think Adkins would go to Villa. He's shrewder than that. Chairman doesn't want to seem to spend money and the club doesn't seem to mind selling its better players. There are clear constraints on the potential success he might have. As for why Martinez didn't go, I suspect it's a bit of that and a bit of loyalty. If you're looking to cement your reputation as a top quality manager, Villa wouldn't be your first destination.
CB Fry Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 I struggle to recall any previous time when you have debated anything that seriously. It's something you appear incapable of, because as soon as somebody begins to get the better of you, you throw your toys out of the pram and go into your usual mode of condescending, arrogant, supercilious superiority. And then your cabal of wannabe Frys join in too, so that the thread degenerates into something resembling a primary school playground. You've never got the better of me, especially when you're wan king over fantasy catchment areas. Anyway. Bored.
LGTL Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Well this is a strange thread.Not sure what it's about. Agreed. For a thread about Liverpool, there is an awful lot of talk about Aston Villa.
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Certainly needs a mod to change the title as it lacks anything remotely like evidence atm. Very misleading.
Greenridge Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Well this is a strange thread.Not sure what it's about. It's about a new film that Ben Stiller has the lead in http://www.castingcallhub.com/ben-stillers-the-secret-life-of-walter-mitty-movie/
dune Posted 16 May, 2012 Author Posted 16 May, 2012 Crap thread title. Not fact. Change it! Yet more nasty comments when all i've done is tell you what my 'source' told me. I don't think i'll bother in the future.
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Certainly needs a mod to change the title as it lacks anything remotely like evidence atm. Very misleading. That's rarely been a problem for you before.
CB Fry Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Yet more nasty comments when all i've done is tell you what my 'source' told me. I don't think i'll bother in the future. You've heard what I have. Don't let them get to you.
shirleysfc Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 BUt they dont have to deal with massive pressure from a huge expectant worldwide fan base than Nige does. Broken record!!
Avenue Saint Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 How is it that everyone on here have suddenly become so pedantic... rabidly hanging on every point of MLG? Its like pack mentality of a gang of malnutritioned chimps in the jungle in a desperate scavange for bananas, fighting for position to take his posts apart! Take it easy chaps, we're all on the same side here, just with different views and opinions. In the end of the day, he's not posting crap like 'Adkins is ****e', 'I predict saints will lose the next ten games' or 'Cortese is the Devil incarnate' hey?? Chill out ffs.
derry Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 I think that if anything could have caused a problem between NA and NC it could be signings made by NC. Falque was signed but I understand Adkins didn't see him play until the Leicester game, and significantly never picked him again.
Saint_Randell Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Loyalty to Villa and close relationship with the chairman. Cortese and Adkins dont get on. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/10/roberto-martinez-aston-villa-wigan I don't think Adkins would go to Villa. He's shrewder than that. Chairman doesn't want to seem to spend money and the club doesn't seem to mind selling its better players. There are clear constraints on the potential success he might have. As for why Martinez didn't go, I suspect it's a bit of that and a bit of loyalty. If you're looking to cement your reputation as a top quality manager, Villa wouldn't be your first destination. But don't you see, Cortese and Adkins don't get on. (we have evidence of this, apparently.) Adkins is bound to move to Villa because they have a brilliant squad (we know this because at least 12 players would get into our side) there chairman has lots of ambition (because he said so in some newspaper, wait, didn't our chairman also say he had ambition?) and lets not forget they are a HUGE club, (much bigger than lowly Southampton). Can i just say something, why does it make Villa's squad not poor if their players can get in our lineup? It is an unfair comparison, if we kept the same squad we would undoubtedly be relegated, so why does saying 'well they can get in our side' make them not poor?
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