St_Tel49 Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 how do you know there isn't any...do you work for villa..? like there was NO WAY west ham were going to spend any money last summer...yep, that is what was preached on here.. West Ham took a huge risk - the kind that put the Skates where they now are. Lerner isn't that stupid - only my opinion of course.
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 the following would make our match day squad.. given warnock collins ireland N'zogbia albrighton petrov bent agbonlahor There's not many that wouldn't, actually. Jenas is cack but he's twice the player Dean Hammond is.
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Do you think the following would get in Saints squad? Shay Given Alan Hutton Stephen Warnock James Collins Stephen Ireland Jermaine Jenas Charles N'Zogbia Marc Alrighton Fabian Delph Stiliyan Petrov Darren Bent Gabby Abonglahor Nathan Delfonso 2011/12 16th Aston Villa GD -16 PTS 38 They aren't as great as you think.
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Randy Lerner has led them into this mess, he isn't as great as you think. Why would Adkins see Lerner as better than Cortese/Liebherr's? How do you know he wouldn't?
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 West Ham took a huge risk - the kind that put the Skates where they now are. Lerner isn't that stupid - only my opinion of course. but we were constantly told they would spend no money and would have to sell sell sell....villa may be in debt..but they have very rich owners too
beatlesaint Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 If anyone seriously believes a club the size of Liverpool would go for a guy who has not even managed 1 minute of football in The Premiership is off their trolley. They will either go with a foreign manager from a top league or someone with Prem experience. You think Man Utd would appoint Brian McDermott ? Same thing.
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 2011/12 16th Aston Villa GD -16 PTS 38 They aren't as great as you think. nothing to do with the manager then...much like when pardew left and we were 22nd..?
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 2011/12 16th Aston Villa GD -16 PTS 38 They aren't as great as you think. How many would get in our squad? Massively underperformed due to a crap manager. Even your autistic responses cannot deny that.
pap Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Almost worth a tenner to ease the pain if he did leave ! A sentiment I share. I've got £20 down at 66/1.
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 There's not many that wouldn't, actually. Jenas is cack but he's twice the player Dean Hammond is. According to MLG they've got a poor squad.
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 How do you know he wouldn't? Because I can't see a single factor that makes Lerner seem better. He has led them to huge debts of over £100m, crowds of 33k in a 42k stadium and a relegation fight.
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Because I can't see a single factor that makes Lerner seem better. He has led them to huge debts of over £100m, crowds of 33k in a 42k stadium and a relegation fight. that is a poor manager, to which they quickly got rid of....dont forget NC led us to 22nd in league 1
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 If anyone seriously believes a club the size of Liverpool would go for a guy who has not even managed 1 minute of football in The Premiership is off their trolley. They will either go with a foreign manager from a top league or someone with Prem experience. You think Man Utd would appoint Brian McDermott ? Same thing. How many minutes of La Liga management experience did Pep Guardiola have before Barca appointed him?
Hatch Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 I'm not even sure which posters I'm supposed to point and laugh at anymore.
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Because I can't see a single factor that makes Lerner seem better. He has led them to huge debts of over £100m, crowds of 33k in a 42k stadium and a relegation fight. Crowds bigger than we can possibly achieve at the moment due to our unambitious chairman not having the ground expanded in time for the Premier League. So there is one.
Saint Charlie Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 If anything the Villa performance last year shows how hard the Prem is...there are no easy games. I wonder if some people watch it ever? About 5 of our players would get in Villa's match squad...probably one or two into Fulhams....
Hatch Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 oh, and Newcastle took on a manager who had just been sacked from a team near the bottom of league One. How did they work out?
CB Fry Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 I'm not even sure which posters I'm supposed to point and laugh at anymore. MLG mainly.
RedArmy Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Because I can't see a single factor that makes Lerner seem better. He has led them to huge debts of over £100m, crowds of 33k in a 42k stadium and a relegation fight.Fans are voting with their feet. They didn't want Mcleish, for obvious reasons, and refused to pay money to watch his sh1t brand of football. Or is that too hard for you to understand?
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 nothing to do with the manager then...much like when pardew left and we were 22nd..? Wrong... Pardew left when Saints were 14th and it was after 3 games. Not an entire season.
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Wrong... Pardew left when Saints were 14th and it was after 3 games. Not an entire season. oh sorry..yeah, the dizzy heights of 14th in division3....
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Wrong... Pardew left when Saints were 14th and it was after 3 games. Not an entire season. .....
View From The Top Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 EIther way, apparantly they've got a poor squad. TBF, they do. Even Villa fans will tell you that.
Cestrian Saint Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Adkins has still got work to do and still has a lot to prove. He's not stupid or greedy like certain managers who've jumped ship only to find themselves completely out of their depth.
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 TBF, they do. Even Villa fans will tell you that. Compared to under O'Neill. Still got about 8 players i'd happily take off their hands.
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 (edited) Fans are voting with their feet. They didn't want Mcleish, for obvious reasons, and refused to pay money to watch his sh1t brand of football. Or is that too hard for you to understand? - Saints averaged, 30,610 in a 32,689 capacity stadium in the season they came 20th and were relegated. - Aston Villa averaged 33k in a 42k stadium in a season they came 16th and stayed up. Had Saints had a 42k stadium in the relegation season, it is likely they would have averaged over or at least very close to the 33k Villa had this year as many games sold out in 2004/05 and the extra numbers would have fitted into a 42k stadium and boosted the average. Edited 16 May, 2012 by Matthew Le God
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 but would we get 40k fans if we were dire and boring....nope
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Compared to under O'Neill. Still got about 8 players i'd happily take off their hands. I think you have overestimated them (living off their past reputations) and are underestimating Saints. The Villa squad is poor, as the Premier League table this season demonstrates.
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 but would we get 40k fans if we were dire and boring....nope Any why are there comparisons being made with stats from nearly ten years ago? Mental.
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 I think you have overestimated them (living off their past reputations) and are underestimating Saints. The Villa squad is poor, as the Premier League table this season demonstrates. do you not think they would have done better if adkins was in charge..?
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 I think you have overestimated them (living off their past reputations) and are underestimating Saints. The Villa squad is poor, as the Premier League table this season demonstrates. answer the question. How many will get into our squad?
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 - Saints averaged, 30,610 in a 32,689 capacity stadium in the season they came 20th and were relegated. - Aston Villa averaged 33k in a 42k stadium in a season they came 16th and stayed up. Had Saints had a 42k stadium in the relegation season, it is likely they would have averaged over or at least very close to the 33k Villa had this year as many games sold out in 2004/05 and the extra numbers would have fitted into a 42k stadium and boosted the average. WTF has that got to do with anything?
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 do you not think they would have done better if adkins was in charge..? Yes, but there is only so much he could have done. Plus, we haven't seen what he can do with Saints in the Premier League yet. Unlike at Villa he won't be held back by over £100 million worth of debt.
Colinjb Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Amazing that this thread has been dignified with nearly 4 pages already. Martinez will go to Anfield. I'ld bet my b*llocks on it.
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 WTF has that got to do with anything? It makes perfect sense in the context of the post it was replying to.
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Yes, but there is only so much he could have done. Plus, we haven't seen what he can do with Saints in the Premier League yet. Unlike at Villa he won't be held back by over £100 million worth of debt. how many of villas squad would make our match day 16...? please tell me who
dune Posted 16 May, 2012 Author Posted 16 May, 2012 WTF has that got to do with anything? Frank will be along in a minute to clarify the point.
pap Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 If anyone seriously believes a club the size of Liverpool would go for a guy who has not even managed 1 minute of football in The Premiership is off their trolley. They will either go with a foreign manager from a top league or someone with Prem experience. You think Man Utd would appoint Brian McDermott ? Same thing. A better comparison might be Manchester United's appointment of Alex Ferguson. They were in the crap at the time ( 21st in League when he took over ) and his experience was all north of the border. Liverpool are up crap creek right now. You have to ask whether the likes of Guardiola or Mourinho would even go there right now. I get where you're coming from - the fans have a great sense of expectation and an inflated opinion of where their club sits in the world. Living here, I know that better than most. I'm not so sure that the American owners are going to dispense with sense as readily as Reds supporters. I totally agree that there'll be uproar amongst some fans if Liverpool do go for a lesser known manager, but they're not all rabid dogs when it comes to footy - some would welcome an up and coming, hungry manager. That said, the bookies aren't often wrong, so I suspect you're aren't either.
Wes Tender Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Nottingham Forest!!!!!!!! Yes, somebody is a sandwich short of a picnic putting them on the list. But then again, it's Fry, so it's really just a wind-up to get a reaction. You know how he reckons that the purpose of an internet forum is to have a laugh and extract the urine. It's not to debate anything remotely serious.
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 how many of villas squad would make our match day 16...? please tell me who Is it August yet?
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 WTF has that got to do with anything? Nothing at all. We got 26K last season, which is far more relevant. As usual, Stat-Boy is full of boring, contradictory and irrelevant sh*te.
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 It makes perfect sense in the context of the post it was replying to. No it doesn't Why would a manager give a f*ck what one clubs crowds were 7 years ago against another ones today when deciding if he was going to join them?
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Is it August yet? You said they had a poor squad. How many of this poor squad would get in our team?
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 Nothing at all. It makes perfect sense in the context of the post it was responding to. We got 26K last season, which is far more relevant. Closer to 27k actually, whilst in the Championship. Compared to Villa's 33k in the world's most high profile league with larger number's of away fans boosted the average. As usual, Stat-Boy is full of boring, contradictory and irrelevant sh*te. It may well be boring. But then so is taking a counter to my points and then refusing to justify them and resort to personal insults like CB Fry continues to do. It isn't contradictory or irrelevant though. What examples can you give of me doing either of those things?
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 It makes perfect sense in the context of the post it was responding to. Closer to 27k actually, whilst in the Championship. Compared to Villa's 33k in the world's most high profile league with larger number's of away fans boosted the average. It may well be boring. But then so is taking a counter to my points and then refusing to justify them and resort to personal insults like CB Fry continues to do. It isn't contradictory or irrelevant though. What examples can you give of me doing either of those things? Boring. Irrelevant. Contradictory. You can't even provide a like for like comparison. Just their attendance last year, against our attendance 7 years ago. Brilliant. You should work for NASA, or soemthing.
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Posted 16 May, 2012 any danger of telling us who would and would not get into our match day 16..?
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