Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Very highly rated GK who has been out on loan, Cheltenham I think. Yep, never played for Birmingham and played 24 times for Cheltenham. How the f*ck is he in the back up places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 He is the England under 21 keeper thats how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 I'd have liked to have seen the back of Terry as I think he's a **** and also I'd have had Crouch up front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Yep, never played for Birmingham and played 24 times for Cheltenham. How the f*ck is he in the back up places. Because other than Hart and Green, he's the only 'keeper that hasn't retired despite having 10 years playing time left in them. Anyone who retires from representing their country at any sport should be banished to France or somewhere sh*t like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint.tom.clancy Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Including Downing, and Johnson over Richards is laughable. Glad to see Chambo in. Other than that, I wouldn't have gone for much different. Downing though. Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Can't help but think that squad looks light in CM. With most PL teams these days playing versions of 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 it seems to still be loaded to play Mike Bassett Oh well, never mind I know nothing. But would have loved to have seen two out of three of Oxo/Young & Theo on the flanks around a single striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Including Downing, and Johnson over Richards is laughable. In the past 10 games for his club alone, Micah Richards has started twice at right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Good on Oxo getting into the squad, deserves it for some exciting performances this season. One of the few picks in the squad that raises the excitment level at all. As an aside, guys that sit around me at SMS were busy telling me what a poor move it was for him, too soon, better off staying here and learning his trade, won't get a game for two years...etc Spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Perfect opportunity to not select Terry and they ****ed it up! Woesfully short of striker options as well. Surely 5 forwards and 8 midfielders would have been better? And Andy Carroll FFS. 4 league goals all season and a couple of half decent performances in a couple of games is enough to play in major International tournament is it!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 A serious lack of quality. I wouldn't swap Lambert for Carrol or Lallana for Downing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 A serious lack of quality. I wouldn't swap Lambert for Carrol or Lallana for Downing. and I doubt what so ever..the reds would swap it the other way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 and I doubt what so ever..the reds would swap it the other way thedelldays, defending all clubs and players who are criticised on TSW since 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 thedelldays, defending all clubs and players who are criticised on TSW since 2008. its true.....it really is go, post on ANY liverpool message board and they will laugh at you....its called being biased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 thedelldays, defending all clubs and players who are criticised on TSW since 2008. If you were England manager and took Lambert instead of Carroll it would be an incrediby stupid move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 I would just like to be the first person to congratulate Stewart Downing on winning the Nestles 'Win a place at the Euros with the England team' competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 If you were England manager and took Lambert instead of Carroll it would be an incrediby stupid move. No it wouldn't. Do you believe that Lambert will score less than 4 goals next season? Lamberts got more technical ability is his little toe than Andy Carroll will ever possess. It's just a shame that Rickie took so long in getting his act together in order to fully exploit his talents as time is no longer on his side. I would take Lambert any day of the week over him but what do I know, I'm just a deluded Saints fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 No it wouldn't. Do you believe that Lambert will score less than 4 goals next season? Lamberts got more technical ability is his little toe than Andy Carroll will ever possess. It's just a shame that Rickie took so long in getting his act together in order to fully exploit his talents as time is no longer on his side. I would take Lambert any day of the week over him but what do I know, I'm just a deluded Saints fan. its not about that believe it or not. Roy is trying to build something...like it or not carroll WILL be part of England for the next few years...all week people have been saying "take the younger players"..so he does. Carrolll has played and scored for England..he has had a storming season in the prem and now a very frustrating one in a poor liverpool side... he has pace and power that will worry international defenders... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 its true.....it really is go, post on ANY liverpool message board and they will laugh at you....its called being biased I've heard countless Liverpool fans calling into radio shows bemoaning both Carroll and Downing. Many saying that Carroll at times doesn't even look like a professional footballer so I wouldnt be so sure of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 If you were England manager and took Lambert instead of Carroll it would be an incrediby stupid move. Yep it would take an England manager, let alone one a couple of weeks into the job, with pretty big bollix to pick any player outside the top league. Lambert was never in the running still think Holt was a better option based on this seasons form...the only thing I can see is that Carroll plays for Liverpool and Holt plays for some team in the footballing backwater that is East Anglia..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Yep it would take an England manager, let alone one a couple of weeks into the job, with pretty big bollix to pick any player outside the top league. Lambert was never in the running still think Holt was a better option based on this seasons form...the only thing I can see is that Carroll plays for Liverpool and Holt plays for some team in the footballing backwater that is East Anglia..... I would agree with that...shame Holt never got a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 No it wouldn't. Do you believe that Lambert will score less than 4 goals next season? Lamberts got more technical ability is his little toe than Andy Carroll will ever possess. It's just a shame that Rickie took so long in getting his act together in order to fully exploit his talents as time is no longer on his side. I would take Lambert any day of the week over him but what do I know, I'm just a deluded Saints fan. Exactly right. I love Rickie as a player but to suggest he should be in the squad is delusion of the highest order. If you were the England manager; if you had just been parachuted into your job. Would you take a man who has scored many goals in the lower leagues? Or would you take a man who has played at the highest level, who came on in the FA Cup final and totally turned the game on its head, and who is finally attracting plaudits from the national press for his game. There are so many reasons to take Carroll and so few to take Rickie. Despite how much he is adored here, he simply isn't ready for an international tournament. And, from a Saints point of view, I'd much prefer he wasn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Exactly right. I love Rickie as a player but to suggest he should be in the squad is delusion of the highest order. If you were the England manager; if you had just been parachuted into your job. Would you take a man who has scored many goals in the lower leagues? Or would you take a man who has played at the highest level, who came on in the FA Cup final and totally turned the game on its head, and who is finally attracting plaudits from the national press for his game. There are so many reasons to take Carroll and so few to take Rickie. Despite how much he is adored here, he simply isn't ready for an international tournament. And, from a Saints point of view, I'd much prefer he wasn't there. I'm not saying that Lambert should be there, but equally don't think that Carroll should be anywhere near the squad. He's a technically poor player and if there are 1-2 key chances in a game, you don't want them to fall to Carroll. I believe Lambert is a better player. Not because I support Saints, but beacuse it's obvious to anyone who doesn't have the short sightedness which so often influences big decisions. Fact is that we are taking a striker with 4 league goals, who is going on the basis of a 30 minute cameo in the FA cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 I'm not saying that Lambert should be there, but equally don't think that Carroll should be anywhere near the squad. He's a technically poor player and if there are 1-2 key chances in a game, you don't want them to fall to Carroll. I believe Lambert is a better player. Not because I support Saints, but beacuse it's obvious to anyone who doesn't have the short sightedness which so often influences big decisions. Fact is that we are taking a striker with 4 league goals, who is going on the basis of a 30 minute cameo in the FA cup. No, that is not a fact at all. It is, on the other hand, complete b0llocks on your behalf. But carry on, I love a true delusional rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 No, that is not a fact at all. It is, on the other hand, complete b0llocks on your behalf. But carry on, I love a true delusional rant. It's not a rant, it's a post on a football forum. Where is the delusion in what I wrote. Does Andy Carroll have 4 league goals this season? Was there a massive clamour to get him to the Euro's before the FA cup final? Not that I can recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymcrowe Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Can´t see any mention of Crouch. It seems that he´s not unpleasant enough to get picked as usual even though he scored the best goal by an English player in the last premiership season and kept knocking them in as part of a pretty mediocre side. Just goes to show that good guys don´t win and players like Terry do. Not a good start by the new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 I'd have been happy with Holt, but surely Crouch deserves it. It's bizarre. A striker who consistently delivers or one who consistently doesn't. not many countries would overlook his international goal record. Indeed, what is it with England managers who only pick Crouch as a last resort? Even "1 goal in 10 games" Heskey was regularly picked ahead of him. Crouch has scored 22 goals in 42 England appearances, and has 10 in 32 this season for Stoke. Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Any reason there wasn't a provisional squad with the final squad announced after training together and maybe one of the friendlys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Any reason there wasn't a provisional squad with the final squad announced after training together and maybe one of the friendlys? We haven't got enough decent players to fill out a 32 man preliminary squad. When a 'keeper from Chelmsford and Jordan Henderson are on the reserve list, you know you have problems with depth. For some reason the training camp in Spain has been cancelled, leaving us with only 2 games before the Euros. May as well use those games to have a look at your main XI, rather than messing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Downing! f*ck me we are desperate. And who the hell is John Ruddy? England have to be one of the worst sides in this year's finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Downing! f*ck me we are desperate. And who the hell is John Ruddy? England have to be one of the worst sides in this year's finals. John Ruddy is Norwich's first choice goal keeper, and has been a key part in the reason they've done so well in the Premier league. I think it kind of shows a bit of ignorance with a post like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Stuart Downing. Andy Carroll. I feel sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 And someone i would like to have as number 2 next season to Kelvin. Think he will be the England number 2 in the coming years. Well, he'd probably be a better number 2 than Glen Johnson, that's f'sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Pleased. He's class and will continue to prove it, but unlike Walcott in '06, he needs to play. Good addition. Pleased for Ruddy too, he's had a good season. Weakest position? Attack. That midfield is absolutely abysmal on an international level. No obvious left sider other than Downing, pedestrian Barry who's already failed against the Germans in 2010 and got nowhere with Man City in Europe, the ageing and occasionally competent Gerrard and Lampard who still can't both play together, and Parker, who's half decent but probably injured. Then there's Phil Jones who's still growing into it, and Jordan Henderson as back up if one of them drop out. Oxlade-Chamberlain and Walcott are much of a muchness and still a little naive (Walcott still is) and I honestly can't see them getting out of the group. The defence is past it, and the attack is weak, suspended or not going. If they achieve anything, Hodgson is a miracle worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 John Ruddy is Norwich's first choice goal keeper, and has been a key part in the reason they've done so well in the Premier league. I think it kind of shows a bit of ignorance with a post like that. Good job Jack Butland is only 4th choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Can´t see any mention of Crouch. It seems that he´s not unpleasant enough to get picked as usual even though he scored the best goal by an English player in the last premiership season and kept knocking them in as part of a pretty mediocre side. Just goes to show that good guys don´t win and players like Terry do. Not a good start by the new manager. Which goal did he score in 2007 that you're referring to ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beermatt1 Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Surprising that nobody has mentioned our options at center back yet. Cahill has been struggling with injury, Lescott just made a really bad mistake in his last game and Terry is a time-bomb likely to explode on the pitch at any point. After that Phil Jones could play there but has been used more at right back and center midfield for Man Utd this season. Great to see AOC in the squad and I reckon he will definitely get some game time - very exciting. And Downing has been excellent for England this season, dire for Liverpool, but he really isn't as bad a player as people are making out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Why is it "great" to see a player Saints sold to a "big club" doing well, when all it means is that any other Saints players who think they're undervalued or being overlooked for international recognition will see his example and might reconsider sticking around with us if they think they can get a few more quid higher up the league and shortcut themselves into an international team ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Surprising that nobody has mentioned our options at center back yet. Cahill has been struggling with injury, Lescott just made a really bad mistake in his last game and Terry is a time-bomb likely to explode on the pitch at any point. After that Phil Jones could play there but has been used more at right back and center midfield for Man Utd this season. Great to see AOC in the squad and I reckon he will definitely get some game time - very exciting. And Downing has been excellent for England this season, dire for Liverpool, but he really isn't as bad a player as people are making out. Alot is being made of his 'one' mistake, people are ignoring the fact that he's been pretty much ever present for City in their title winning squad. On the whole he's probably been one of englands best performing centre backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Alot is being made of his 'one' mistake, people are ignoring the fact that he's been pretty much ever present for City in their title winning squad. On the whole he's probably been one of englands best performing centre backs. Exactly, an English centre back who has just won the league having played nearly all the games this season. I would have included Richards and Johnson as well as they've also just come off the back of a title win. Not so much Milner, we don't need anymore workhorses in the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 I seriously can't believe why Rob Green has got called up again. He simply isn't good enough. Its quite worrying if after Joe Hart, Robert Green is England's best goalkeeper. Surely there are better English keepers out there? I know Ben Foster said he wouldn't play for England under the old management but now he is gone, injuries aside, maybe the door is open again? Interesting to see Norwich goalkeeper as third choice though. I just hope nothing happens to Hart so Green doesn't get any pitch time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Surely there are better English keepers out there? I firmly believe that in Hart and Butland, the long-term future of England is in safe hands. If the latter continues to develop in the manner he has done over the last 18 months, he'll be good enough to not only act as an understudy to Hart, but to challenge him for a starting role too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 Anyone else feel sorry for Kelvin for not even getting a mention? at the end of the day he conceded less than Green who seems to be Englands second choice for the summer. I totally agree. Have we got another manager who's first act is to get the team sheets from Manure, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea, filter out all the non-english players, and then put them in around rooney, terry, gerrard etc, then look at other players in the prem. And they throw in Green as WHU are a Premiership team really. It'll be Matt Le Tiss all over again, especially for Adam Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 I totally agree. Have we got another manager who's first act is to get the team sheets from Manure, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea, filter out all the non-english players, and then put them in around rooney, terry, gerrard etc, then look at other players in the prem. And they throw in Green as WHU are a Premiership team really. It'll be Matt Le Tiss all over again, especially for Adam Lallana. probably because they have (generally) the best players who play top continental football regularly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEVMAN Posted 17 May, 2012 Share Posted 17 May, 2012 I am starting to think when you see that squad that you would be better off not getting picked in the first place,its lost its importance in a football sense totally.But good luck to Alex anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 For me, Chamberlain is more than ready. Got a feeling, if Roy uses him correctly he will have a big impact. My thoughts here..... http://wp.me/p1mFFL-mT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Hes deffo ready, AOC will be a impact player along with Carroll, both will be super subs when Rooney is fit. Downing will not get picked over the ex saints and young on the wings, i would hate downing even more if he plays AOC doesn't and we lose out on 1/2 mill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 OXO is a great player and look forward to seeing him play for England and at SMS next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 Good on Oxo getting into the squad, deserves it for some exciting performances this season. One of the few picks in the squad that raises the excitment level at all. As an aside, guys that sit around me at SMS were busy telling me what a poor move it was for him, too soon, better off staying here and learning his trade, won't get a game for two years...etc Spot on Agree with the first bit, he'll certainly add some energy and excitement to a rather uninspiring group of players. Even with the best will in the world, we'll need a lot of luck to win the tournament, like Greece did in '04. The second bit - hindsight is 20:20. Many of us had our doubts. If we had Chamberlain last season with his pace and the quality to make the most of it, I do think we could have won the league fairly comfortably. I doubt he'd get picked for England, but I don't think it would have held him back either. Walcott didn't get a game for 2 years. Maybe the fee that we prised out of Arsenal for Chamberlain made Wenger use him more sooner or maybe what Wenger saw in Chamberlain persuaded him that he was ready to be thrown in. Either way, the doubts weren't unfounded. Wenger likes to play roulette with the youngsters he signs and on this occasion Chamberlain's number came up, but it could have been very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2012 Share Posted 20 May, 2012 OXO is a great player and look forward to seeing him play for England and at SMS next season. Is he coming back then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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