mdearlove Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Hart, Green, Ruddy, Baines, Cahill, Cole, Johnson, Jones, Lescott, Terry, Barry, Downing, Gerrard, Lampard, Milner, Ox-Chamberlain, Parker, Walcott, Young, Carroll, Defoe, Rooney, Welbeck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Hart, Green, Ruddy, Baines, Cahill, Cole, Johnson, Jones, Lescott, Terry, Barry, Downing, Gerrard, Lampard, Milner, Ox-Chamberlain, Parker, Walcott, Young, Carroll, Defoe, Rooney, Welbeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Downing. FFS. Great to see Oxlade-Chamberlain in though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Half the squad not regulars for their own club !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 How the hell do Downing and Carroll make the squad. Lennon should have been in for Downing, and Crouch/Holt even Sturridge for Carroll. I can't believe that Richards is not included as well. Yes, he may not the be the best defender positionally but then how can you justify Johnson's place? He is one of the worst right backs to have played for England, just look at how Germany ripped him apart in the World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Rubbish selection, no Holt, Richards, Johnson. Downing, Gerrard, Lampard, Henderson, Carroll. Different manager, same dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Disappointing usual tired old faces. The likes of Downing who is quite frankly dreadful! Milner who can't get a game at City. Johnson is he really the best we have at right back? Both Gerrard & Lampard. He has missed a big opportunity here to bloody a squad for the World cup, he would have had this tournament for free, with a great chance experiment. By going down this route he has wasted the chance. The 2 bright spots are Ruddy & AOC. I just hope that Ferdinand being left out is purely down to football reasons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Rubbish selection, no Holt, Richards, Johnson. Downing, Gerrard, Lampard, Henderson, Carroll. Different manager, same dross. This. Hodgson has been brought into to maintain the status quo of shirt sales and subservience to the big clubs. Dull and uninspired. England will be tonked by virtue of that strike line-up alone. And Terry's inclusion at Ferdinands expense is a big thumbs up to nasty disruptive racist w*nkers everywhere. I am done with England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Awful. Downing, Milner, Terry out. Can't believe there is no place for Crouch, Richards (Micah). Roy had a golden chance to make bold selections and has bottled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Disappointing usual tired old faces. The likes of Downing who is quite frankly dreadful! Milner who can't get a game at City. Johnson is he really the best we have at right back? Both Gerrard & Lampard. He has missed a big opportunity here to bloody a squad for the World cup, he would have had this tournament for free, with a great chance experiment. By going down this route he has wasted the chance. The 2 bright spots are Ruddy & AOC. I just hope that Ferdinand being left out is purely down to football reasons! Yep, expectations were low for this tournament, he could have started working on the WC quals in autumn. Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Squad breakdown by club City: 4 Liverpool: 4 Chelsea: 4 United: 4 Arsenal: 2 Spurs: 2 Norwich: 1 Everton: 1 West Ham: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 I wonder if OxO should still have stayed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Someone on BBC site said Jordan Rhodes deserves a spot more than Carroll. I'm not sure whether to start with the fact he's a league 1 striker, or the fact that he's Scottish. It's up there with my dad saying england were stupid for not picking Dwight Yorke. Someone rang in to talksport a few weeks ago saying its about time he got an England call up. The fellas on there did a very good job of winding the caller up and letting him make an arse of himself before telling him he was Scottish. Was very funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In The 80s Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Think some of you are overreacting to the squad, to be honest. Guys like Gerrard and Lampard are proven top class players and would be picked by every manager going. Same with John Terry. Do people really rate people like Phil Jones and Chris Smalling as better footballers than John Terry? If so, thank god you aren't managing England! Lampard and Gerrard will (and in my opinion, both should) start the first game. The crucial difference between them starting now and them starting in previous years is the formation. With only 4 strikers, it looks as if we're set to go with 4-3-3/4-5-1. With a 4-4-2 they are too similar to both play in central midfield. However, in a 4-5-1, Gerrard can play just ahead, behind a front man, and Lampard and Parker can play in the middle (a pairing who compliment each other well). I really believe that 3 can cause teams a lot of problems. I'd liked to have seen Carrick involved. I'd have had him in for Downing and perhaps Richards in for Phil Jones, but it's unlikely any of those players would play a big part anyway. Just squad players. The "standby" players are clearly a collection of youngsters who, if called up, won't play any part if they do get the call. I don't think people should read too much into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Really thought with a Parker/Carrick combination England for once had the basis of a solid midfield, but again they've fcked it. And when it fails, it'll be 'not good enough, grass roots blah blah'. All seems irrelevant when you ignore your best players. I agree with you there. I have always thought Carrick was an excellent Footballer. Perfect for international football. he is great on the ball, retains it well and rarely gives it away. I've thought for a long time Englands best formation was 4-2-3-1 with Carrick and Parker as the two - two wingers and Gerrard or Lampard in the middle behind Rooney. It's be fluid, full of pace and power up front and players that can actually play football and keep the damn ball when we need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 I agree with you there. I have always thought Carrick was an excellent Footballer. Perfect for international football. he is great on the ball, retains it well and rarely gives it away. I've thought for a long time Englands best formation was 4-2-3-1 with Carrick and Parker as the two - two wingers and Gerrard or Lampard in the middle behind Rooney. It's be fluid, full of pace and power up front and players that can actually play football and keep the damn ball when we need to. Agreed, would be a decent set-up for international football that. As said by others, f**k knows how Downing is involved and Henderson is even standby. Crouch should also be involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Think some of you are overreacting to the squad, to be honest. Guys like Gerrard and Lampard are proven top class players and would be picked by every manager going. Same with John Terry. Do people really rate people like Phil Jones and Chris Smalling as better footballers than John Terry? If so, thank god you aren't managing England! Terry is a great individual player, but many of his England team mates have had enough of him because of his non-footballing proclivities, such as chick-nicking and ye olde racism. Was apparently given the cold shoulder at the last set of friendlies. Would rather have a lesser player in a more united team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 I have been advocating a Parker, Wilshere, Carrick midfield for years but it looks as if we will have to settle for another inept performance from a group of midfielders who are at best past-it, cumbersome and fail to get even the basics right. Those 3 could have been our Xavi, Iniesta and Senna. Henderson and Downing wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Anyone else not really rate Welbeck either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Stunned at Downing being called up, I think he's utter utter ****. As he's proven all year. His best game came against championship opposition, which I think tells you all you need to know. I hope he's barley used. Pleased for OX, good player. Not just pace but great technical ability and awareness. He's kind of a wild-card for us as not alot will know too much about him, so as long as we play him, we'll get positives results from this IMO. The midfield looks ploddy though, not much dynamism in there. I'd have not taken both Parker and Barry, both similar. I'd have gone with Carrick and Parker IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Anyone else not really rate Welbeck either? I don't think he's great, he's made to look better as he's got Nani/Rooney/Giggs around him - but he's a pretty average player in terms of his all-round game. He seems a decent finisher though when he gets an opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Anyone else not really rate Welbeck either? Not particularly. He's looked okay at times but never really done much to say he's England standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 there must something a miss with Richards Mancini stops playing him excluded from England and now Martin Kelly has been brought in as cover for the next game ahead of him. there HAS to be more than we know to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 Anyone else not really rate Welbeck either? I'm glad i'm not the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 I'm glad i'm not the only one. and me he is good...but never Man UTD standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 22 May, 2012 Share Posted 22 May, 2012 there must something a miss with Richards Mancini stops playing him excluded from England and now Martin Kelly has been brought in as cover for the next game ahead of him. there HAS to be more than we know to this Apparently it's his positional sense and that he tires easily. Never seen that myself but never watched him enough to have a real view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 May, 2012 Share Posted 24 May, 2012 Good to see Chambo going. Some genuine pace is needed. Dream on. He's going to cut the HT oranges. He's got f**k all chance of playing with Mr "Safe-Hands-Status-Quo-Too-Scared-And-Too-Clueless-To-Take-A-Big-Leap-Forwards" in charge.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 25 May, 2012 Share Posted 25 May, 2012 BBC Sport @BBCSport Goalkeeper John Ruddy is ruled out of England's Euro 2012 squad after breaking his finger in training. More to follow soon. BBC Sport @BBCSport Birmingham City goalkeeper Jack Butland will join the England Euro 2012 squad in place of Ruddy. More to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 May, 2012 Share Posted 25 May, 2012 very harsh on ruddy been excellent for norwich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 25 May, 2012 Share Posted 25 May, 2012 Jack Butland Not that he is likely to play, but WTF... I have never heard of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 25 May, 2012 Share Posted 25 May, 2012 The fact that the BBC had to have a "Who is Jack Butland?" feature on their website says it all. It is right up there with the bizzare decision to take Walcott all those years ago. A kick in the teeth for any other up and coming English goalkeeper. Might as well take Kelvin Davis- at least he's played at Championship level! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 25 May, 2012 Share Posted 25 May, 2012 Given that Welbeck might miss out and Rooney is suspended it might have made more sense to bring another striker. But the FA/England squad don't operate in the realm of common sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 May, 2012 Share Posted 25 May, 2012 I know it may be a good idea to take an up and coming future player...like we did with wallcott a few years back but surely, there are more deserving keepers than someone so low down the leagues.. ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 25 May, 2012 Share Posted 25 May, 2012 The fact that the BBC had to have a "Who is Jack Butland?" feature on their website says it all. It is right up there with the bizzare decision to take Walcott all those years ago. A kick in the teeth for any other up and coming English goalkeeper. Might as well take Kelvin Davis- at least he's played at Championship level! And Premiership level... albeit not that well but that was a long time ago. I just can't get my head around their decision to take this Butland fella. Even without my bias towards Saints, I can't understand how they decided he's a better keeper than Kelvin Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 25 May, 2012 Share Posted 25 May, 2012 I just can't get my head around their decision to take this Butland fella. Even without my bias towards Saints, I can't understand how they decided he's a better keeper than Kelvin Davis. Strikes me a decision a club manager would make - 'one for the future', 'develop him', 'give the lad some experience'. Hodgson needs to get into the international team mentality quickly. Its all about the current best players and the ones who might replace them now - not maybe at some point 10 years down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Lampard now out. Henderson in. Expectation even lower now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 May, 2012 No Lampard then, whatever people say that's a huge blow. A very good player who is a winner. Doubt he'll ever go to a tournament again with England, so personally it must be awful for him. Henderson replacing him. Nuff said. Such a non-event of a football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 June, 2012 Author Share Posted 3 June, 2012 Gary Cahill is now out injured and is out of the squad. Martin Kelly has been called up as his replaced. Jeez, we're going to get ripped apart this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 3 June, 2012 Share Posted 3 June, 2012 I don't like Liverpool. Tough to support England at Euro 2012 then! Never mind, should be a good tournament. Germany v Holland. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 3 June, 2012 Share Posted 3 June, 2012 Martin Kelly over Micah Richards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 June, 2012 Author Share Posted 3 June, 2012 Martin Kelly over Micah Richards? Martin Kelly was in the standby squad though, not Micah. He only has the standby squad to choose from, so his selections from a week or so ago are now starting to look even more silly. Apparently Terry is also on the verge of being out, as he has a 2nd scan to confirm next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 3 June, 2012 Share Posted 3 June, 2012 Might as well call up Jay bloody Spearing now as well. What a joke, Gerrard is the only Liverpool player which should be in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 3 June, 2012 Share Posted 3 June, 2012 I didn't even know Kelly was English, i thought he was Irish for some reason. That was a snide little push on Cahill yesterday, could have been a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 3 June, 2012 Share Posted 3 June, 2012 Jagielka's gone from thinking he could've had a lovey summer holiday to potentially being in England's starting XI in the space of a week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 3 June, 2012 Share Posted 3 June, 2012 I didn't even know Kelly was English, i thought he was Irish for some reason. That was a snide little push on Cahill yesterday, could have been a lot worse. So did he until he had a call up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 3 June, 2012 Share Posted 3 June, 2012 I wish Rio F would just STFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 3 June, 2012 Share Posted 3 June, 2012 Joke having Kelly in that squad, il rather have Aarron Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 3 June, 2012 Share Posted 3 June, 2012 I wish Rio F would just STFU. I think he's entitled to feel a bit miffed. After the initial squad announcement, Hodgson made a neutral announcement citing that Rio's exclusion was for footballing reasons, specifically countering questions that the bad feeling between the players was the reason for the exclusion. We've lost another centre-back, and Martin Kelly is taking a berth that Rio could have been in. How many club managers would select Kelly ahead of Ferdinand? The truth is that Hodgson knows he can't have both in the team, and has made a decision in Terry's favour. Rio's getting dropped because his brother is the complainant in the Terry racism case. It's actually a pretty sensible decision; the potential risk of disharmony is too great. It's just not one that is politically easy to utter out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 3 June, 2012 Share Posted 3 June, 2012 Hodgson does not want to upset Terry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 June, 2012 Share Posted 3 June, 2012 (edited) Chelsea captain John Terry "delighted" to have been part of today's Royal celebrations... Edited 3 June, 2012 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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