Thedelldays Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 I may be making this up, but didn't Adkins say at some point that we would always have a youth player on the bench next season? Even if he didn't, I still don't reckon it's as ridiculous as you say. Part of NCs plan for the club is to have youth players making the grade in the first team, and that has to start somewhere. but every game..? no chance about 4 maybe 5 of the first team now will find themselves sub next season...never mind the subs from the season just gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 you really think this..? we had 5 subs last time with no keeper.....so assuming we have a keeper this time...and a "youngster"...you really think we will restrict our options to 5 subs..? christ Have to wait and see how wrong you are, but with 7 subs and the ex-Academy players judged capable of first team football, Pilchard's prediction seems quite probable (except there may not be many times we are winning by three goals!). A place on the bench for a young player is not a sub place blocked, it is a sub who is an option to come on and do a job. Adkins and Crosby are not going to put an ex-Academy player on the bench just to so he has a better view of the game; it will be because they believe the boy can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 If Adkins can't change a game with 5 outfield players + a promising youngster then he is clueless. Yes why not a youngster dull days as they are the future of our club and it's a signal to the whole of Britain that if your child wants to make it then come to the best academy in the country as you will have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 If Adkins can't change a game with 5 outfield players + a promising youngster then he is clueless. Yes why not a youngster dull days as they are the future of our club and it's a signal to the whole of Britain that if your child wants to make it then come to the best academy in the country as you will have a chance. well, nearly every manager in the premier league must be clueless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningtonCrescent Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Have to agree with Pilchards. "Chambo" could turn into the new Shearer, given a chance. Great young player with talent, focus and goals! Ward-Prowse as the new Steve Williams? Could be! He's got the calmness on the ball and the ability to pick the right pass or skip past his marker. All the youngsters are welcome additions to the squad and I just hope that the fans can see them for what they will give us in the future - supporting them, even if they make a few errors. If the management think they can bring something to the team, then trust them. These lads (and more) will be the making of SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Has Jake Sinclair already been promoted to first team (or is he still too young?) Nope, he is staying with Martin Hunter and the Development Squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 why are people assuming TWO keepers will be signed. another half baked idea on SWF It wouldn't be completely out of the realms of possibility would it? We have KD and T4P at the mo. To be in position where you have to rely on T4P or a kid in the prem would be ridiculous. Sorry if that opinion is "half baked", embarrassing, arrogant etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 The list is as expected to be honest... Really pleased for the young lads making the step up, all 4 of those are class acts. We all know about Ward-Prowse, who IMO has the ability to be premiership class, but Jack Stephens cost us half a millionish from Plymouth...and he'd played a few games for them already and impressed! Luke Shaw and Chambers are the 2 that really excite though, very pacey players who like to take players on....Shaw is very much in the mould of a certain bale, hence why big, big clubs are tracking him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 If two of them, or even just one, get extended runs in the team this season, that will still be a tremendous outcome for the Academy More likely to be bit part and maybe Carling Cup players this season, maybe get their extended runs from next season onwards IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Jack Stephens cost us half a millionish from Plymouth. Was £150k according to documents released by their administrator. Quite a bargain tbh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Was £150k according to documents released by their administrator. oh ok, fair enough. Not sure where i got my figure from them! probably confused it with another player.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 you really think this..? we had 5 subs last time with no keeper.....so assuming we have a keeper this time...and a "youngster"...you really think we will restrict our options to 5 subs..? christ Wrong side of the bed this morning DD? :-) I firmly believe that Adkins will put a 'youngster' on the bench every game. How else will we achieve the medium term aim of getting 50% of the academy originated players into the matchday squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 you really think this..? we had 5 subs last time with no keeper.....so assuming we have a keeper this time...and a "youngster"...you really think we will restrict our options to 5 subs..? christ Not stupid at all, the youngsters are good enough for the squad so will be viable options on the bench. This is exactly what we would have done more often than not last season if the FL had not changed the subs rules. 7 subs including a keeper and a youngster, if NA cannot change a game with that then there is little point having subs at all. Wouldn't be totally shocked to see us with no sub keeper either at times, maybe not against top sides though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Not stupid at all, the youngsters are good enough for the squad so will be viable options on the bench. This is exactly what we would have done more often than not last season if the FL had not changed the subs rules. 7 subs including a keeper and a youngster, if NA cannot change a game with that then there is little point having subs at all. Wouldn't be totally shocked to see us with no sub keeper either at times, maybe not against top sides though. so, you really think...with the expected 6 or so new signings...throw in, lee, sharp, guly, de ridder, chappers, hammond, fonte, harding, butters, new keeper we will have a kid on the bench EVERY game for no other reason...than they are a kid..? did we last time in the prem when we had the likes of bale in the youth team/reserves etc..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Am I right to assume that Dickson and Forte are still under contract, and hence why they are not on this list? I don't see either have a future here, same a Tommy 4Past. Would rather see Adkins registered as a player/keeper than let TF anywhere near the squad in the PL, at least NA has FL experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 did we last time in the prem when we had the likes of bale in the youth team/reserves? When Saints were last in the Premier League, Gareth Bale was 15 years old and still at school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 so, you really think...with the expected 6 or so new signings...throw in, sharp, july, de ridder, chappers, hammond, fonte, harding, butters, new keeper we will have a kid on the bench EVERY game for no other reason...than they are a kid..? did we last time in the prem when we had the likes of bale in the youth team/reserves etc..? Yes and yes. You seem to be missing the point, just because they are youngsters doesn't mean they are not capable of performing their role if needed. Having 4 players every week not getting a game, why would you not bench one for majority of games? As it also the stated aim of the club to bring youngsters into the 1st team squad what else would you suggest. These are proper players now, get used to it, because I am sure it will happen in many games, especially when we play yeams outside the top 4 or 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Yes and yes. You seem to be missing the point, just because they are youngsters doesn't mean they are not capable of performing their role if needed. Having 4 players every week not getting a game, why would you not bench one for majority of games? As it also the stated aim of the club to bring youngsters into the 1st team squad what else would you suggest. These are proper players now, get used to it, because I am sure it will happen in many games, especially when we play yeams outside the top 4 or 5. ok...I just can't see that for EVERY SINGLE GAME we will have either, JWP, Shaw, Chambers or stephens on the bench.. we shall see I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 so, you really think...with the expected 6 or so new signings...throw in, lee, sharp, guly, de ridder, chappers, hammond, fonte, harding, butters, new keeper we will have a kid on the bench EVERY game for no other reason...than they are a kid..? did we last time in the prem when we had the likes of bale in the youth team/reserves etc..? Seeing as many of those players didn't make the bench for many games last season, I don't think NA will lose much sleep about leaving them out this time around. And that's of course without us selling players who are still in contract but really are not a first teamer. Can see us having 1 of the 4 promoted kids on the bench for most games next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 I do think we are likely to be looking at 2 new keepers. Dovey was in effect our 3rd choice last season with TF loaned out. I think we will sign a new number one and a good up and coming youngster as 3rd choice until KD retires in a couple of seasons. TF doesn't have a future here and will almost certainly be loaned out or sold for a nominal fee to a lower league club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 we shall see I guess ^this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Forecast doesn't have a future here and will almost certainly be loaned out or sold for a nominal fee to a lower league club. Will be hard to sell him because no other club will match the wages he has at Saints, so it is in his interest to sit out the remaining year on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 I assume we will also be releasing some of our medical team now we no longer have Connolly, Holmes and Jaidi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Will be hard to sell him because no other club will match the wages he has at Saints, so it is in his interest to sit out the remaining year on his contract. And isn't that depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 so ...it'll be TWO new keepers to be signed then. Certainly an older pro-keeper as back-up/competition for KD, and a younger talent .....(unless anyone is contemplating a place in the squad for TF.?) another striker ...to take up Connolly's place and another CB -as expected Jahdi will retire. PLUS ..A.N.Other, experienced, tougher midfielder (in the Jimmy Case mould.) None of the others ever looked to be serious contenders for a first team spot...but it still leaves us with a VERY big squad to have to choose 25 from. EXPECT moves for the likes of Dickson, Forte amongst others.... maybe a few more " fringe names" who may go in part-ex for new signings ? I'm not sure thats what we need in the Modern PL HTBH...unless we fancy playing with 10 men every week. Robust (ahem) tackling isn't really allowed anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 No surprises given the step up in class required for the Premier League. Hadn't given it much thought until now, but I do feel a new first choice keeper should be a priority this summer. I've often thought that keepers offer the best value for money because a very good one is worth as many points as a top striker, but at a fraction of the cost. Michel Vorm for Swansea a good example. Davis will always be a club hero for his role in the promotions, but to be competitive in the PL I fear we'll need someone with more all-round quality. I can't see it KD has been named the best keeper in his division two seasons in a row, is the club captain and, outwordly at least, seems to have very good relationship with his manager. I can see a new number 2 coming in (in fact that's a must now) but I really can't see KD not being our first choice keeper next season. Personally I'm fine with that he deserves his chance IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Will be hard to sell him because no other club will match the wages he has at Saints, so it is in his interest to sit out the remaining year on his contract. There are ways around that though similar to when Leeds off loaded Robbie Fowler. We will have to pay a percentage of his wages for the remaining year of his contract but I don't think he'll be around St Mary's next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 (edited) In terms of how the 25 man squad might shape up, before any addiitons or other leavers, the retained list currently leaves us with 24 players over 21: Kelvin Davis Tommy Forecast Frazer Richardson Danny Butterfield Danny Fox Dan Harding Ryan Dickson Jose Fonte Jos Hooiveld Aaron Martin Dan Seaborne Jason Puncheon Steve de Ridder Morgan Schneiderlin Jack Cork Dean Hammond Richard Chaplow Adam Lallana Rickie Lambert Billy Sharp Guly do Prado Tadanari Lee Lee Barnard Jonathan Forte Plus the following who qualify as under 21s - mixture of 1st team squad, development squad and academy. There will be eight 1st year scholars next year according to Jason Dodd - 2 are on this list (Gallagher and McCarthy), six more still to be announced Chris Johns William Britt Jack Stephens Matt Young Fraser Colmer Luke Shaw Bevis Muagbi Jordan Turnbull Calum Chambers Lloyd Isgrove James Ward-Prowse Andy Robinson Corby Moore Joe Curtis Dominic Gape Gregory Ariyibi Harrison Reed Jason McCarthy Ben Reeves Omar Rowe Sam McQueen Sam Hoskins Alberto Seidi Jake Sinclair Jamal Branker Sam Gallagher Edited 19 May, 2012 by Over land and sea corect Ryan Dickson's first name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Yes and yes. You seem to be missing the point, just because they are youngsters doesn't mean they are not capable of performing their role if needed. Having 4 players every week not getting a game, why would you not bench one for majority of games? As it also the stated aim of the club to bring youngsters into the 1st team squad what else would you suggest. These are proper players now, get used to it, because I am sure it will happen in many games, especially when we play yeams outside the top 4 or 5. Do you really believe that the kids will be good enough to put on he bench, I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Craig Gordon released by Sunderland, good backup keeper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Will be hard to sell him because no other club will match the wages he has at Saints, so it is in his interest to sit out the remaining year on his contract. How much is he on MLG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Craig Gordon released by Sunderland, good backup keeper? We don't need back ups we need better than what we haves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Press conference on Monday to announce Jaidis retirement and future plans. As the echo are banned and the nationals probably won't give a toss it won't be well attended, although I think we can assume this unusual step means he's going to be a coach of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 We don't need back ups we need better than what we haves. We have this every year. People bang on about back up players. Here's a novel idea, why don't we look for better than we have to keep progressing rather than players not as good as we already have sitting around in case someone gets injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 So how many players short of the 25 man squad thing are we? That should tell us how many we is signing! Edit: forget it Over land answered the questions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 In terms of how the 25 man squad might shape up, before any addiitons or other leavers, the retained list currently leaves us with 24 players over 21: Kelvin Davis Tommy Forecast Frazer Richardson Danny Butterfield Danny Fox Dan Harding Lee Dickson Jose Fonte Jos Hooiveld Aaron Martin Dan Seaborne Jason Puncheon Steve de Ridder Morgan Schneiderlin Jack Cork Dean Hammond Richard Chaplow Adam Lallana Rickie Lambert Billy Sharp Guly do Prado Tadanari Lee Lee Barnard Jonathan Forte Those of the above that have been with us for 3 seasons do not have to be on the 25 man list, as they are given the same exemption as the U21s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 So how many players short of the 25 man squad thing are we? That should tell us how many we is signing! Edit: forget it Over land answered the questions! Not exactly! There are still players on the books that will be sold on or sent out on season long loans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 We don't need back ups we need better than what we haves. Any other postion I'd agree but top class keepers better than KD aren't exactly ten to penny ...So assuming we can't get better than KD are you suggesting we don't bring in a back up keeper...bit risky unless you think fourpast is up to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Those of the above that have been with us for 3 seasons do not have to be on the 25 man list, as they are given the same exemption as the U21s. I don't think that's true. But you do need a certain minimum of "home grown" players, 8 I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Not exactly! There are still players on the books that will be sold on or sent out on season long loans. Yeah good point he's let me down! Over lands can you come back and say who is sold or sent out on season long loans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Any other postion I'd agree but top class keepers better than KD aren't exactly ten to penny ...So assuming we can't get better than KD are you suggesting we don't bring in a back up keeper...bit risky unless you think fourpast is up to it? Sing someone at least as good to challenge for his place. FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Do you really believe that the kids will be good enough to put on he bench, I don't. When you call them kids - no. But they are all close to challenging for first team place. It is clearly better to introduce them into a side that is 3-0 up and playing with confidence as a sub as opposed to starting them. If you are not going to consider naming players who are now officially part of the first team squad as subs why on earth are we running an academy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 In terms of how the 25 man squad might shape up, before any addiitons or other leavers, the retained list currently leaves us with 24 players over 21: Kelvin Davis Tommy Forecast Frazer Richardson Danny Butterfield Danny Fox Dan Harding Lee Dickson Jose Fonte Jos Hooiveld Aaron Martin Dan Seaborne Jason Puncheon Steve de Ridder Morgan Schneiderlin Jack Cork Dean Hammond Richard Chaplow Adam Lallana Rickie Lambert Billy Sharp Guly do Prado Tadanari Lee Lee Barnard Jonathan Forte I think 6/7 of those above will be sold/loaned/simply not included in the 25 man squad. Namely: Forecast Dickson Seaborne Puncheon Forte Barnard Possibly - Chaplow Hammond The 4 new additions are under 21 so do not need to be included, yet give us 3rd choice rb/lb and extra midfield cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Why does the promotion of the four Academy lads to the first team remind me of the film "Magnum force"? And who would be Dirty Harry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Those of the above that have been with us for 3 seasons do not have to be on the 25 man list, as they are given the same exemption as the U21s. That is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 I think 6/7 of those above will be sold/loaned/simply not included in the 25 man squad. Namely: Forecast Dickson Seaborne Puncheon Forte Barnard Possibly - Chaplow Hammond The 4 new additions are under 21 so do not need to be included, yet give us 3rd choice rb/lb and extra midfield cover. Dat would leave us with like 4 midfielders! Can't see Chaplow and Hammond moving on but i spose they might not be first choices no more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Connolly was expected really with his age/injuries. Jaidi was obviously retiring anyway, but he would be good to have around at the club still. Lee Holmes would probably fit in well somewhere like Swindon. Shame for Bart really after being so loyal and not really getting the break he needed. He's only 24 though and has a bright future ahead of him. Could maybe see him moving to the continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 That is not true. That's a classic MLG post! Usually you include a links citing evidences tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 Delighted for the four lads making the step up. Especially excited about Luke Shaw. I think he will be the first to break through into the starting 11. What do others think? Prowse is a CM isn't he? Seems a bit light weight but very composed on th ball. I doubt it. He looked very small physically when he played against Milwall this season. I expect it will be a couple of years before he is at Fox or Harding's level. There aren't many 17 year old defenders in the Premier League. People like Bale, Richards, Smalling etc are, in the nicest possible way, physical freaks. I don't think Shaw is. He may well be class but he will need to be introduced very carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 May, 2012 Share Posted 19 May, 2012 That's a classic MLG post! Usually you include a links citing evidences tho! Here you go... http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2011-12.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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