Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 (edited) At the end of the day it's what straight couples can have a don't want and what gay couples can't have and do want isn't it? Discuss. Edited 12 May, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 are you married/in a civil partnership..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2012 are you married/in a civil partnership..? Married. Relatively happy I guess. But a true statement nonetheless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 Married. Relatively happy I guess. But a true statement nonetheless? my line of work puts any marriage to the test massively. the lads I know that go away can be uncontactable for weeks/months and very few people on the planet will actually know where they are...have seen so so many break ups.... plenty of my mates have been with their ladies for years and have no intention of getting married Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-scooby Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 It will end in tears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 in answer to your original question..it is more to do with because they can't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2012 in answer to your original question..it is more to do with because they can't I dunno mate. I want our buddies on here to tell us why they are so pro gay marriage but when it comes to straight people it isn't important. In the words of saintandy666 "I'm all for it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I dunno mate. I want our buddies on here to tell us why they are so pro gay marriage but when it comes to straight people it isn't important. In the words of saintandy666 "I'm all for it" its all part of the changing world..when I first started my current job...I had to sign a declaration to state that I was not gay....as that would have been against the law...and that was 1999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I dunno mate. I want our buddies on here to tell us why they are so pro gay marriage but when it comes to straight people it isn't important. In the words of saintandy666 "I'm all for it" I couldn't give a fu.ck if straight or gay folk want to get married. Seriously, who gives fu.ck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I couldn't give a fu.ck if straight or gay folk want to get married. Seriously, who gives fu.ck? about sums it up for me. I have been put off massively.....seeing so so many marriages break down for only blokes to have spent so much away at sea, underwater in god knows how many dangerous circumstances, lose half of their pension etc etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I couldn't give a fu.ck if straight or gay folk want to get married. Seriously, who gives fu.ck? Nor me mate. I'm just curious to know why some on here are pro gay marriages but it's not important when it's heterosexuals. I do have a point, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 don,t bother me if they are gay or heterosexual ,has long has they are happy and love it other and i have not found anyone to my knowledge that its not important if they are hetersexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 Well i'm pro gay marriage because it really f/cks off the catholic church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2012 don,t bother me if they are gay or heterosexual ,has long has they are happy and love it other and i have not found anyone to my knowledge that its not important if they are hetersexual. You haven't looked very far. Our forum superstars on here for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2012 Well i'm pro gay marriage because it really f/cks off the catholic church. Shut up dunce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 You haven't looked very far. Our forum superstars on here for a start. its like the old thought... britain is a great, fair country...unless you are a married, white, working hetrosexual man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 its like the old thought... britain is a great, fair country...unless you are a married, white, working hetrosexual manor you have i,m a victim mentality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2012 or you have i,m a victim mentality Not at all fella. It's a very simple statement with a very simple answer. I'm sure they can explain why they are all for gay marriages and how important it is they are allowed it but it doesnt matter and isn't important for straight people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I see absolutely no reason why equal marriage shouldn't be allowed to happen. The only thing that will happen if it is allowed is that gay marriage will take place, and a lot of people will be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I see absolutely no reason why equal marriage shouldn't be allowed to happen. The only thing that will happen if it is allowed is that gay marriage will take place, and a lot of people will be happy. Why will they be happy? Marriage Isnt important these days. According to a lot of people on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 Why will they be happy? Marriage Isnt important these days. According to a lot of people on here. Because they will be. They can finally express their love in the same way as everyone else. It's just a simple matter of equality of relationship. By not allowing it, society is saying their love isn't equal to our love and that is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 Because they will be. They can finally express their love in the same way as everyone else. It's just a simple matter of equality of relationship. By not allowing it, society is saying their love isn't equal to our love and that is wrong. why do you need to get married to express your love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 Why will they be happy? Marriage Isnt important these days. According to a lot of people on here. It's not important but thats not to say that those, either gay or straight, who feel the need to be married shouldn't be free to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 Marriage. I'm pretty sure that was invented by women. Somehow it seems to be all their rules. How does that transfer to Gay Marriage? Ouch no ow no sorry NO not THAT OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Marriage is a wonderful thing, a unity of two soul mates journeying through life together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2012 It's not important but thats not to say that those, either gay or straight, who feel the need to be married shouldn't be free to do so. It's VERY important to some people on here. Because they are "all for it" I agree with you mate it makes no odds to Me either way. But some people on here seem to think its very important when it comes to gay marriage but not Important when it comes to straight people. Don't you think that's odd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2012 Because they will be. They can finally express their love in the same way as everyone else. It's just a simple matter of equality of relationship. By not allowing it, society is saying their love isn't equal to our love and that is wrong. I think most people accept gay people and all that. I just don't understand why on the one hand straight people will bang on about how they don't need a bit of paper to prove their love but gays do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 To test that love on a stag do by staring at 500 naked women. But yeah, it's just tradition isn't it. Some traditions are good, some bad, many neutral. Marriage maybe needs updating a bit but nothing wrong with the tradition. Don't even mind people pretending to be religious for the day and having it in a church. It's just a commitment party really. I like weddings but don't know of I'll ever have one myself. If you organise it all and call it a party rather than a wedding, does everyone charge you half the price? But seriously. Me & FMDP are REALLY happy. In Blighty or Polski we would be happily together in a "Civil Law' Implied marriage. Down here? That doesn't work. You are not married you cannot have sex let alone live together. That all adds a different level to the whole question. Do I need to be "Compliant" or do I really actually want this person to journey through the 6 months I have left on this planet? Oh, and what's the issue about the 500 chicks. Isn't it more fun when the future chick is with you and says - which 10 do you fancy? OK go on then. BUT I'm going to this gay show bar with my friends on my Hen and I will have 500 naked guys to look at..................................... Chicks like looking at fleash as well - that screws MOST blokes over Specially as it usually means YOU have to go with HER to the naked guys bar Damn equality is a b1tch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I'm straight but would like the option of getting gay married if I change my mind. Be careful what you wish for. Theres a few posters on here probably pmailing you right now, ffs dont give 'em your address... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I think most people accept gay people and all that. I just don't understand why on the one hand straight people will bang on about how they don't need a bit of paper to prove their love but gays do. It's not about proving their love. It's just basic equality. Can you think of a reason why they shouldn't be allowed to get married? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 My marriage is important to me everybody elses marriage, be they straight or gay, not so much. Gay or straight get married or don't get married makes no difference to me..those who make a big thing about gay marriage are just the usual crusaders looking for a cause to get up tight about..one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2012 It's not about proving their love. It's just basic equality. Can you think of a reason why they shouldn't be allowed to get married? Hang on a minute. You just said they can "express their love" by getting married. Why do they need to get married to do this? We've been told many times in the past on here that marriage means nothing and that people don't need to do it these days. So why is it different for gay people? Isn't this discriminating? Saying gay marriages is important because they can "express their love" and we are "all for it" yet at the same time straight people Don't need to be married to prove they are happy and love each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 Hang on a minute. You just said they can "express their love" by getting married. Why do they need to get married to do this? We've been told many times in the past on here that marriage means nothing and that people don't need to do it these days. So why is it different for gay people? Isn't this discriminating? Saying gay marriages is important because they can "express their love" and we are "all for it" yet at the same time straight people Don't need to be married to prove they are happy and love each other. I've certainly never said that. I think it is a personal choice. Why does anyone get married then? Some will want to marry to express their love, others won't... the fact is though gay people don't even have that choice. Your argument is weak and basically based on stuff which I've never said, but what you've apparently been told 'many times'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I've certainly never said that. I think it is a personal choice. Why does anyone get married then? Some will want to marry to express their love, others won't... the fact is though gay people don't even have that choice. Your argument is weak and basically based on stuff which I've never said, but what you've apparently been told 'many times'. its tradition..like going to church etc...y'know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 If I hAdnt married mrs h 23 years ago I would marry her tomorrow. If anyone else tells like I do for mrs h about someone then marry them. It can literally keep you together in testing times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I've certainly never said that. I think it is a personal choice. Why does anyone get married then? Some will want to marry to express their love, others won't... the fact is though gay people don't even have that choice. Your argument is weak and basically based on stuff which I've never said, but what you've apparently been told 'many times'. Are you sure? I'm out at the moment but will find the thread where you said you were "all for it" when it came to gay marriages when im back. Many people on here have told us marriage isn't important. Don't worry Andy I'm sure they'll appear shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 Are you sure? I'm out at the moment but will find the thread where you said you were "all for it" when it came to gay marriages when im back. Many people on here have told us marriage isn't important. Don't worry Andy I'm sure they'll appear shortly. I think you have misunderstood my post. My I never said that was referring to your 'I keep being told marriage means nothing' comment. My point was it means what people want it to mean and it is a personal choice whether you enter into it or not, and that choice should be available to all. And yes, I did say I was all for it in that thread. I am all for gay marriage, there is absolutely no reason not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I think you have misunderstood my post. My I never said that was referring to your 'I keep being told marriage means nothing' comment. My point was it means what people want it to mean and it is a personal choice whether you enter into it or not, and that choice should be available to all. And yes, I did say I was all for it in that thread. I am all for gay marriage, there is absolutely no reason not to. So why the the "oh it's so important for gays marry" when actually no one gives a f*ck these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 So why the the "oh it's so important for gays marry" when actually no one gives a f*ck these days? I never said it was so important that they marry. I said it is so important that they have the *CHOICE* to marry. It's basic equality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I never said it was so important that they marry. I said it is so important that they have the *CHOICE* to marry. It's basic equality. Shouldn't the church have a human right not to marry them then? (I don't think they should have that right, but only because I detest the catholic church and will find it funny) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 Shouldn't the church have a human right not to marry them then? (I don't think they should have that right, but only because I detest the catholic church and will find it funny) I don't think you can force Churches to do gay marriages. It's just impractical. We can only hope they evolve in time. However, the CoE, which is the state religion should have to do unless it wants to get out of the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I don't think you can force Churches to do gay marriages. It's just impractical. We can only hope they evolve in time. However, the CoE, which is the state religion should have to do unless it wants to get out of the state. Why is it impractical? If you pass a law they have to either obey the law or pack up and go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 Why is it impractical? If you pass a law they have to either obey the law or pack up and go. I regret my usage of the word 'impractical'. I wish everyone did agree with me on this, but not everyone is going to. The important aspect for me is choice. The CoE needs to get out of the state though if it is serious about it's opposition to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2012 I don't think you can force Churches to do gay marriages. It's just impractical. We can only hope they evolve in time. However, the CoE, which is the state religion should have to do unless it wants to get out of the state. But you say religion is outdated. What has that got to do with gays getting hitched? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 But you say religion is outdated. What has that got to do with gays getting hitched? I just don't believe you can force your beliefs on others. As long as gay people have the right to marry and equality is there in that respect, I would hope that Churches will eventually follow suit(if only to stop their growing isolation), though I realise that could be somewhat naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 The idea that gays want to get married is plain stupid. Effectively they are asking to be recognised by an insitution that condemns them and considers them "wrong" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 The idea that gays want to get married is plain stupid. Effectively they are asking to be recognised by an insitution that condemns them and considers them "wrong" Marriage is what we say it is and what we make of it and is a social construct, and churches can only marry because the state says they can. And if you can't see why 2 people of the same sex would want to get married, you are very short sighted indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 12 May, 2012 Share Posted 12 May, 2012 Marriage is what we say it is and what we make of it and is a social construct, and churches can only marry because the state says they can. And if you can't see why 2 people of the same sex would want to get married, you are very short sighted indeed. No. Marriage is a christian ceremony, not what we say it is. My views on gays are irrelevant. They want to be recognised by an insitution that sees them as "Unnatural" and "wrong". Doesn't matter what we think, thems the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 13 May, 2012 Share Posted 13 May, 2012 No. Marriage is a christian ceremony, not what we say it is. My views on gays are irrelevant. They want to be recognised by an insitution that sees them as "Unnatural" and "wrong". Doesn't matter what we think, thems the facts. It really isn't a christian ceremony though anymore. You are living in the past. They lost ownership of it long ago and if I recall correctly, civil ceremonies are overtaking religious ceremonies in popularity very soon. It is absolutely not a Christian ceremony(it's a social construct as well, not a divine creation). It is in essence when it boils down to it a legal ceremony, but obviously there is a lot of imagery and meaning that comes with it that gay people should absolutely be allowed to share in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 13 May, 2012 Share Posted 13 May, 2012 It really isn't a christian ceremony though anymore. You are living in the past. They lost ownership of it long ago and if I recall correctly, civil ceremonies are overtaking religious ceremonies in popularity very soon. It is absolutely not a Christian ceremony(it's a social construct as well, not a divine creation). It is in essence when it boils down to it a legal ceremony, but obviously there is a lot of imagery and meaning that comes with it that gay people should absolutely be allowed to share in. andy, probably time to go to bed mate. They can have their civil partnerships, they just can't (Quite rightly so) be married in a church. The church is the church, it makes it's own rules and if they decide they don't want gays, that's down to them. You can't just change the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 13 May, 2012 Share Posted 13 May, 2012 andy, probably time to go to bed mate. They can have their civil partnerships, they just can't (Quite rightly so) be married in a church. The church is the church, it makes it's own rules and if they decide they don't want gays, that's down to them. You can't just change the rules. You can get married outside of a church. I don't understand your point. Even the government propositions for equal marriage don't propose gay marriages for example in a Catholic church. They just propose it for civil marriages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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