JPTCount Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 why did we bother getting him on loan? and if he wasn't good enough to get in the team why didn't we terminate his contract? he made a lot of appearances in our 'reserve' team tho, can't see any sense in this unless we buy him as a long term prospect. if not it's the oddest thing NA and NC have done by a long way. Thoughts...?
SamyCM Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 I think he is only on loan with us till the end of the season, he will go back to spurs then.
SuperSAINT Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 Worked out OK in the end though didn't it? Think the land-scape was different when we brought him in. Punch wasn't around. Didn't we have a few injuries too?
Thedelldays Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 why did we bother getting him on loan? and if he wasn't good enough to get in the team why didn't we terminate his contract? he made a lot of appearances in our 'reserve' team tho, can't see any sense in this unless we buy him as a long term prospect. if not it's the oddest thing NA and NC have done by a long way. Thoughts...? maybe are having a look in order to sign him...?
This Charming Man Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 The oddest thing they've ever done is to believe that Forte is a professional footballer.
buctootim Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 why did we bother getting him on loan? and if he wasn't good enough to get in the team why didn't we terminate his contract? he made a lot of appearances in our 'reserve' team tho, can't see any sense in this unless we buy him as a long term prospect. if not it's the oddest thing NA and NC have done by a long way. Thoughts...? He was a backup in case we got further injuries. In the event there were no more injuries and those who were injured came back quickly plus Puncheon kissed and made up - so not needed. Good contingency planning if you are trying to get promoted.
Saint Garrett Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 Puncheon wasnt about, Lallana was injured at the time along with Chaplow and De Ridder. Probably was quite good for our youth team to be playing with someone that came through the Barcelona academy. He was probably a 'free' loan and if he taught a few of the youngsters a few things then it can't be too bad. Although I am surprised he didnt figure on the bench a few times.
JPTCount Posted 11 May, 2012 Author Posted 11 May, 2012 ye, I figured we brought him in for cover, but corks pretty versatile and Holmes could have been recalled, and it's odd he only got 45 mins 1st team action. I also don't remember us chasing any attacking midfielders in January, given the clubs aim of only buying players that are better than current squad members. I mean we had £7m turned down for Hooper, but no other real bids. and we only spent £1.8m in the end. and I'm sure spurs dont get anything out of it, wouldn't be surprised if we buy him but only if they keep hold of bale and modric this summer
Bucks Saint Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 The oddest thing they've ever done is to believe that Forte is a professional footballer. Wow I agree with you. My memory of Palace away in the league cup will stay with me for some time, alas
SNSUN Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 I won't question Falque's talent, it's hard to judge based on one cameo, but I do think it was a bit of a panic loan. We'd had a bad run of games, players were dropping out injured and he was brought in to solidify things. Wasn't that the spell where Fox was playing at centre back?
shurlock Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 ye, I figured we brought him in for cover, but corks pretty versatile and Holmes could have been recalled, and it's odd he only got 45 mins 1st team action. I also don't remember us chasing any attacking midfielders in January, given the clubs aim of only buying players that are better than current squad members. I mean we had £7m turned down for Hooper, but no other real bids. and we only spent £1.8m in the end. and I'm sure spurs dont get anything out of it, wouldn't be surprised if we buy him but only if they keep hold of bale and modric this summer Chris Commons? I'm sure it was said we put in a derisory bid for wittingham. And that's only the bids we quasi-know.
SNSUN Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 Adkins signings have been very poor Up to a point I'd agree - Cork and Fox have been consistant if unspectacular, Jos was a masterstroke (although I admit that could have gone both ways) and Sharp was inspired (although anyone towards the top of the table could have seen he'd do a job for them.) - but they've been far from very poor. They have all strengthened the squad to the point we got promoted, and only two other nPC managers can boast that. I agree Pardews' signings were more successful in the long run, but I would reserve judgement until we can see what he does this summer at a level he's not used to.
Thedelldays Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 Up to a point I'd agree - Cork and Fox have been consistant if unspectacular, Jos was a masterstroke (although I admit that could have gone both ways) and Sharp was inspired (although anyone towards the top of the table could have seen he'd do a job for them.) - but they've been far from very poor. They have all strengthened the squad to the point we got promoted, and only two other nPC managers can boast that. I agree Pardews' signings were more successful in the long run, but I would reserve judgement until we can see what he does this summer at a level he's not used to. fox, jos, cork, sharp have been brilliant
Glasgow_Saint Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 Up to a point I'd agree - Cork and Fox have been consistant if unspectacular, Jos was a masterstroke (although I admit that could have gone both ways) and Sharp was inspired (although anyone towards the top of the table could have seen he'd do a job for them.) - but they've been far from very poor. They have all strengthened the squad to the point we got promoted, and only two other nPC managers can boast that. I agree Pardews' signings were more successful in the long run, but I would reserve judgement until we can see what he does this summer at a level he's not used to. Bignall, Falque, Forte, Shea, N'Guessan
saintbob40 Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 .....take Cork, Jos, Fox, Lee and Sharpy out of last year's team and we would not have been promoted. So if that was their impact they were very,very good signings and given the value of the prize gained comparatively cheap (Cork cost around £1 million, Jos about the same (maybe less), Lee for free, Fox for £1.8 million, Sharpy about £1.8 as well..so around £5.6 million in transfer fees for 5 players likely to be up to premier league standard) Next year will be interesting to see how good some of our players really are. I would say Cork, Morgan, Jos, Sharpy,Lallana,SRL,Fox, Lee and Kelvin will prove to be of premiership quality. The rest -not convinced. Of those 9 , 5 are NA signings.
Thedelldays Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 Bignall, Falque, Forte, Shea, N'Guessan you can do that with pardews mellis otsemibor trotman (he was ok)
Window Cleaner Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 (edited) you can do that with pardews mellis otsemibor trotman (he was ok) Mellis has been in trouble again of late I see. Edited 11 May, 2012 by Window Cleaner
derry Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 Adkins signings have been very poor A NC signing. I understand the first time Adkins saw him play was the first half v Leicester. Also the last time!
toofarnorth Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 Bignall, Falque, Forte, Shea, N'Guessan All but one were loans, and the other played a major contribution in our promotion to the Championship. Not too bad considering, all the other successes.
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 Its important to remember that no manager has a 100% success rate in the transfer market. Bebe anyone? Its probably fair to say that Nigel's record is hit and miss, but would give benefit of the doubt at this stage
ant Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 Falque's stats on FIFA 12 overshadowed everybody in our first team until a more recent update. Mind you EA do work on the basis that every Prem player is better than every Championship one.
Leicestersaint Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 Yes a bit hit and miss on the transfers - and now comes the big test in who we buy for the PL. We want people who fit in and don't want any dressing room big egos and trouble makers. We don't want to pay very silly money but we do want some real talent especially pace - the current Saints side does not have enough pace for the PL in my view. Comeback AOC - all is forgiven!!
southamptonfclegend Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 I think the lad is a good player, was bought in when Lallana was injured and Puncheon was looking likely to leave.
S-Clarke Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 We didn't have much need for him in the end, he was thrown into the team when we were at our lowest point though. We had no spine to the team and were patched up all over the show, so he didn't exactly have the best opportunity to showcase his talents...but whenever he did get the opportunity in those short 45mins he looked incredibly lightweight and lost. I'm sure there's a good player in there, but you also have to question why he's moved around so much.
John Boy Saint Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 The oddest thing they've ever done is to believe that Forte is a professional footballer. 5 in 10 games on loan for Notts County makes that statement a tad harsh, add to that 2 game saving goals v MK Dons to get us back on track.
Danbert Posted 11 May, 2012 Posted 11 May, 2012 The oddest thing is why did Spurs sign him if he wasn't good enough to make our bench in the Championship?
John Boy Saint Posted 12 May, 2012 Posted 12 May, 2012 The oddest thing is why did Spurs sign him if he wasn't good enough to make our bench in the Championship? £££££££££££ wrapped up nicely in a Manila envelope?
ottery st mary Posted 12 May, 2012 Posted 12 May, 2012 £££££££££££ wrapped up nicely in a Manila envelope? Big suitcase of dosh........... Those were the days of the real Del Boyz in football....... None of this off shore mularkey.. Strange signing by Spurs and if good enough would still be in their squad.. Not sure Arry would ever do us a real loan favour...like that young Bale;)
Chez Posted 12 May, 2012 Posted 12 May, 2012 (edited) simple, he was a panic signing as we were desperately short at the time. Any signing is a gamble, this one didn't pay off, but thankfully Nigel instantly recognised that he was lightweight and couldn't cut it out wide or in the middle so he didn't pick him. As for not sending him back. We perhaps had paid the fee so there was no point in sending him back. Nigels signings overall have been good. One or two strange ones like Jonno, but who can argue with a double promotion? Edited 12 May, 2012 by Chez
This Charming Man Posted 12 May, 2012 Posted 12 May, 2012 The oddest thing is why did Spurs sign him if he wasn't good enough to make our bench in the Championship? He's played a few games for them and some Spurs lads I know said he looked quite good. He obviously wasn't suited to the way we played and to judge him on the 45mins against Leicester (the worst we played all season) is a tad harsh. Like someone else said, he was a panic buy. Imagine the cost involved was minimal so worth the gamble. The only plus thing to come out of it is I imagine it annoyed Redknapp that he went out on loan for 5 months and didn't play.
MINIBARCELONASAINT Posted 12 May, 2012 Posted 12 May, 2012 Its important to remember that no manager has a 100% success rate in the transfer market. Bebe anyone? Its probably fair to say that Nigel's record is hit and miss, but would give benefit of the doubt at this stage That Bebe deal is being investigated by the Portuguese Police!
Saint Without a Halo Posted 12 May, 2012 Posted 12 May, 2012 He was a backup in case we got further injuries. In the event there were no more injuries and those who were injured came back quickly plus Puncheon kissed and made up - so not needed. Good contingency planning if you are trying to get promoted. This Chaplow was out Puncheon hadnt made up our midfield was string bare and if we had further injuries and suspensions we could have blown promotion. Good contingency planning I think and the fact we didnt use him doesnt make it a bad signing. At thew same time we get to asses a possible prospect and he gets a bit more experience than he was getting at Spurs A win win all around I think
david in sweden Posted 13 May, 2012 Posted 13 May, 2012 Worked out OK in the end though didn't it? Think the land-scape was different when we brought him in. Punch wasn't around. Didn't we have a few injuries too?[/QUOTE] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..more than a few I think. I recall NA saying we had 13 injuries and/or suspensions after the defeat at Brighton. It was a wise move at the time, but fortunately many of them were fit again soon after, but it was hard to make a judgment about Falque from a 45 minute display in that home defeat against Leicester. He wasn't the only one who " didn't shine " in that game, there were 6 or 7 others, too..
shurlock Posted 13 May, 2012 Posted 13 May, 2012 To make things worse, didn't he get injured after the Leicester game anyway? So it wasn't just a case of not being picked, he was unavailable.
derry Posted 13 May, 2012 Posted 13 May, 2012 To make things worse, didn't he get injured after the Leicester game anyway? So it wasn't just a case of not being picked, he was unavailable. He played for the development team.
shurlock Posted 13 May, 2012 Posted 13 May, 2012 He played for the development team. He did -scored a great solo goal for them- but only after recovering from quite a lengthy injury.
Clifford Nelson Posted 13 May, 2012 Posted 13 May, 2012 At 22 you should have established yourself in the first team wherever you play, to have been on the books doesn't really count. He has done nothing to convince me that the loan signing was a bit desperate and reflecting the possibility that Lallana might be out for awhile. Some people say that he did OK or well in the development team, but for the first team in a fairly full SMS he froze. Subbing him was a kindness.
Village Saint Posted 13 May, 2012 Posted 13 May, 2012 Bignall, Falque, Forte, Shea, N'Guessan Were as you note all very succesful signings viz they were bought as backup, cost next to nothing and did what was required on the very few occasions any of them were called upon. And we got promoted two years in a row with that helpful assistance.
Village Saint Posted 13 May, 2012 Posted 13 May, 2012 Were as you note all very succesful signings viz they were bought as backup, cost next to nothing and did what was required on the very few occasions any of them were called upon. And we got promoted two years in a row with that helpful assistance. And I forgot when we moved on so were they at no cost.
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