"Come on You Blues"......?

[Scummer]

What "epic fail"? I can see them fine.

 

I can't see them.

[latter day saint]

What "epic fail"? I can see them fine.

i can't see them either ?

not the 1st time this has happened

[LiamSFC]

I can't help feeling there's a bit of an overreaction to this. I don't particularly agree with what they've done, but its hardly without pervious precedent.

 

Leeds United for example. They've changed their badge a number of times (as recently as the 1990s), the image below shows the changes made since the first change in the 1960s.

 

 

Leeds also traditionally used to play in blue and yellow, before don Revie changed all that with an all-white kit (and the blue/yellow remained for the away kit, which Cardiff have also done).

 

Well duh. Congrats on stating the blindingly obvious. I doubt there's a club in the world that hasn't changed its badge/colours at some point in its history. Nothing wrong with that. It's the fact that the Cardiff City board are changing everything about the club - colours, badge, nickname, the lot - against the wishes of the local supporters, for the explicit purpose of selling more shirts to Asian 'fans'. It represents everything wrong with the modern game.

[The Kraken]

Well duh. Congrats on stating the blindingly obvious. I doubt there's a club in the world that hasn't changed its badge/colours at some point in its history. Nothing wrong with that. It's the fact that the Cardiff City board are changing everything about the club - colours, badge, nickname, the lot - against the wishes of the local supporters, for the explicit purpose of selling more shirts to Asian 'fans'. It represents everything wrong with the modern game.

 

"Well duh". Good adult reasoned response there. Bloody hell.

 

As I've previously said; I don't particularly agree with what they're doing. But you've listed 3 things that they've changed (colours, badge, nickname) as being totally unacceptable; yet when Leeds did that with two things (badge and colours) that was fine? So its the just the changing of the nickname you have a problem with? Even the image of the bluebird appears on their new badge.

 

Sunderland changed their nickname when they moved to the Stadium of Light, they no longer wanted to be called the Rokermen. Different reasons for changing, but their fans got over it as they realised it was a new future for them. I'm sure Cardiff fans will do the same. The head of one of their supporters groups doesn't seem enormously up in arms about it:

 

He said: “Generally speaking we welcome the investment and especially the commitment to clearing our historic debts. The Supporters’ Trust understands the Malaysians want to change the kit colour and logo.

 

Many fans will be disappointed by this while others have expressed support for the changes. Perhaps the changes could have been introduced more gradually."

 

To repeat myself from earlier; its not an ideal thing to do, but its hardly the end of the world.

[Dimond Geezer]

Definitely not.

 

I spent a long time painting red & white stripes on my son's ceiling (it truly is a sight to behold ), in fact the whole room is red & white, so I wouldn't be too chuffed if NC suddenly said we were playing in something different.

[LiamSFC]

"Well duh". Good adult reasoned response there. Bloody hell.

 

As I've previously said; I don't particularly agree with what they're doing. But you've listed 3 things that they've changed (colours, badge, nickname) as being totally unacceptable; yet when Leeds did that with two things (badge and colours) that was fine? So its the just the changing of the nickname you have a problem with? Even the image of the bluebird appears on their new badge.

 

Sunderland changed their nickname when they moved to the Stadium of Light, they no longer wanted to be called the Rokermen. Different reasons for changing, but their fans got over it as they realised it was a new future for them. I'm sure Cardiff fans will do the same. The head of one of their supporters groups doesn't seem enormously up in arms about it:

 

 

 

To repeat myself from earlier; its not an ideal thing to do, but its hardly the end of the world.

 

What's wrong with 'well duh'? Just means 'that was obvious'. Anyway, you have completely missed my point. As I said, clubs have always changed badges, kits etc, and they always will. That's fine. Chelsea used to be nicknamed 'the Pensioners'. Man United used to be called Newton Heath, and wore green and yellow. Many Premier League clubs have changed their badges in the last few years. Sometimes clubs need to freshen up their image and I accept that.

 

My point was that it's not so much the changes at Cardiff City which have upset people, although that's obviously a big part of it, as such sweeping, wholesale changes, despite your constant assertions, are very rare in football. Rather, it's the reasoning behind it. "We Asians like dragons and think red is lucky, so we're going to waltz into your club and change nearly one hundred years of tradition to suit us. This will please the new foreign owner, and will somehow allow us to flog more shirts to fake fans with no connection to the club who live thousands of miles away, although we're not going to explain how. If you don't agree to this, we're going to let your club die."

 

Bit different from Don Revie simply changing Leeds' kit because he wanted to emulate Real Madrid, isn't it?

[The Kraken]

What's wrong with 'well duh'? Just means 'that was obvious'. Anyway, you have completely missed my point. As I said, clubs have always changed badges, kits etc, and they always will. That's fine. Chelsea used to be nicknamed 'the Pensioners'. Man United used to be called Newton Heath, and wore green and yellow. Many Premier League clubs have changed their badges in the last few years. Sometimes clubs need to freshen up their image and I accept that.

 

My point was that it's not so much the changes at Cardiff City which have upset people, although that's obviously a big part of it, as such sweeping, wholesale changes, despite your constant assertions, are very rare in football. Rather, it's the reasoning behind it. "We Asians like dragons and think red is lucky, so we're going to waltz into your club and change nearly one hundred years of tradition to suit us. This will please the new foreign owner, and will somehow allow us to flog more shirts to fake fans with no connection to the club who live thousands of miles away, although we're not going to explain how. If you don't agree to this, we're going to let your club die."

 

Bit different from Don Revie simply changing Leeds' kit because he wanted to emulate Real Madrid, isn't it?

 

The reasons are different, but they all serve to try and reach the same aim, development on the pitch. The Cardiff owners feel that if they do this it will make them much more commercially attractive, and they will therefore have more money to spend on the pitch. Therefore they will be a stronger team, by being able to spend more money. They will also be able ot improve their infrastructure, thus strengthening further.

 

I think you're missing the part where I've consistently said I don't particularly agree with it, and if it was Saints I really wouldn't be best pleased. But the owners aren't doing it just to try and p*ss people off. They are trying to maximise revenues, and turn around a club who are currently losing £1M a month. It'll be fairly unpopular in the short term but really, who gives a stuff about it? It's such a minor thing to consider in the scheme of things, compared to their commitment to wipe out the club debt, build new training facilities and potentially in time increase the capacity of the ground.

[1885]

I'm a little bit scared it goes that easy in the UK.

 

Club crest + colours are a clubs identity.

Change it and it's a different club in my eyes.

 

I wouldn't be following "Blue Saints", sorry...

[eelpie]

We also wore it in the Championship the following season and didn't get relegated, so it's hardly an omen.

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But that was a disastrous season and we dismally failed to get promotion at the first attempt. We even began the season by losing to Luton, and struggled for much of the time. We lost 3-4 to Leeds after being 3-1 up. And some of our best players left.

 

No blue shirts, especially of the insipid variety, will always be associated with failure, bad luck and Redknapp. In whichever order you like.

[The9]

We also wore it in the Championship the following season and didn't get relegated, so it's hardly an omen.

 

But that was a disastrous season and we dismally failed to get promotion at the first attempt. We even began the season by losing to Luton, and struggled for much of the time. We lost 3-4 to Leeds after being 3-1 up. And some of our best players left.

 

No blue shirts, especially of the insipid variety, will always be associated with failure, bad luck and Redknapp. In whichever order you like.

 

Erm, just no. I will always associate the blue shirts with the glorious 3-1 victory at Middlesbrough, which is more than this season's bunch of losers managed.

Also, we played in yellow at Luton. Besides, I own about 5 of those shirts...

[Faz]

What on earth are they going to do with all those blue seats??

 

Seriously, a short step from this to renaming them Cardiff Kuala Lumpur FC and on the way to a fully franchised operation.

[jam]

What "epic fail"? I can see them fine.

 

You can see them because they're cached on your browser - everyone else sees three broken link icons.

 

Looks like the hystericalkits.co.uk don't like hotlinking.

[jam]

 

Bit different from Don Revie simply changing Leeds' kit because he wanted to emulate Real Madrid, isn't it?

 

Very different. Cardiff's owners are doing it in an attempt to bring more money into the club. Revie did it because he was a superstitious nutjob.

[SNSUN]

Saints have too much fan power to let the powers that be change our kit to blue.

 

We stopped Hoddle coming back, we stopped St Mary's being called The Friends Provident Stadium and we got rid of the first Ted Bates statue.

[SaintBobby]

The reasons are different, but they all serve to try and reach the same aim, development on the pitch. The Cardiff owners feel that if they do this it will make them much more commercially attractive, and they will therefore have more money to spend on the pitch. Therefore they will be a stronger team, by being able to spend more money. They will also be able ot improve their infrastructure, thus strengthening further.

 

I think you're missing the part where I've consistently said I don't particularly agree with it, and if it was Saints I really wouldn't be best pleased. But the owners aren't doing it just to try and p*ss people off. They are trying to maximise revenues, and turn around a club who are currently losing £1M a month. It'll be fairly unpopular in the short term but really, who gives a stuff about it? It's such a minor thing to consider in the scheme of things, compared to their commitment to wipe out the club debt, build new training facilities and potentially in time increase the capacity of the ground.

 

Not saying you're wrong, but motivation is important.

 

E.g. Leeds was essentially an evolution - and a successful one. Based on footballing decisions.

 

If e.g. we were relocated to Bristol and rebranded the Southern Red Bulls, I'd have a major sense of humour failure. Even if someone could show me that the club would now be much more successful and would sell more replica kits in Thailand.

[The Kraken]

Not saying you're wrong, but motivation is important.

 

E.g. Leeds was essentially an evolution - and a successful one. Based on footballing decisions.

 

If e.g. we were relocated to Bristol and rebranded the Southern Red Bulls, I'd have a major sense of humour failure. Even if someone could show me that the club would now be much more successful and would sell more replica kits in Thailand.

 

Once again; I'm not saying I agree with what Cardiff are doing. I'd probably be kicking up a stink if Saints did it. But, from a neutral point of view, I can kind of see why they are:

 

- they are supposed to be £70M in debt.

- they are supposed to be losing up to £1M a month.

- the new investment will look to turn the debt into equity and invest in the training ground and potentially stadium.

 

You mention Leeds did their changes under Revie as evolution; I really don't see much different to this. The change of nickname is just one step further than that. Cardiff want to improve their club on and off the pitch, and they think this way is the best way to do it.

 

The standard reaction is: "imagine if Saints were being made to play in blue, I'd never put up with it". But it's not really a valid comparison. A lot of Cardiff fans will already be used to wearing red, as its their national colour. It's more of a comparison to expect Saints to start wearing a white kit; which we pretty much did a couple of years ago with minimal fuss (and for which I've heard plenty of people say they would like to see us wearing the sash as a full time first team kit).

 

Cardiff fans will be used to the dragon on the new badge, as its the same dragon that was on their old badge (albeit now more prominent) and it is a national emblem. The renaming of "The Bluebirds" to "The Dragons"; that's probably the worst part of it. Although I imagine the club's supporters will keep calling themselves Bluebirds and keeping the chant going, so informally I don't expect that to take off any time soon, although gradually (non Cardiff supporting) people will get used to the new references to "The Dragons" in the media and on TV.

[The9]

I guarantee they will sell 10 blue away shirts for every one red home shirt this season. I don't think the colour the national team wears is even a consideration in the discussion, and I say that as someone that's been to probably about 40 Wales matches.

[The Kraken]

I guarantee they will sell 10 blue away shirts for every one red home shirt this season. I don't think the colour the national team wears is even a consideration in the discussion, and I say that as someone that's been to probably about 40 Wales matches.

 

Well perhaps that's good marketing strategy if they shift a majority of away shirts in the UK and their foray into the Asian market sells a majority of red home shirts.

 

And I mentioned red to point out that its not the same as a Saints fan being expected to buy a blue home shirt; what with connotations with local rivals.