jawillwill Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17996534 With the news that Cardiff could have a massive rebrand and change their colours from blue to red, it got me thinking, what would you do it Saints ever suddenly decided to switch to blue? Would you accept it in return for a massive investment into the club? I wouldn't. And I doubt many Caridff fans will either. Who remembers when Flybe first sponsored Saints and their logo was put on the seats in the stand. There was widespread panic on here that 9 seats, as part of the logo, might be blue (it turned out that they were in fact purple, thank goodness!). Could you cope with 30,000 blue seats in St Mary's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Our away kit has been blue on several occasions. Not sure I could tolerate an all-blue home kit, but we used to play in blue shorts back near the beginning. I'm fairly open-minded. Bored with red-and-white stripes anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Judging by a Cardiff supporting mates status on FB this morning and the comments on it from other Cardiff fans, I think it's safe to say they're a little against that idea. Will be a dark day for British football if it's allowed to happen. NO AL CALCIO MODERNO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Saints should really be in all white. With halo. Red and white stripes are ace though. Leave them alone. Obv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 TBF when we have had blue away kits, it has been nothing like PFC blue thank goodness. But if we changed wholesale to blue, including the stadium, brading, everything, then it would be a very dark day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Our away kit has been blue on several occasions.Not sure I could tolerate an all-blue home kit, but we used to play in blue shorts back near the beginning.I'm fairly open-minded. Bored with red-and-white stripes anyway. Don't let Docker P hear you say that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Maybe we should adopt blue shorts again in memory of our fallen neighbours. RIP. Rather in solidarity with this seasons' Europa league winners (elect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 We've had a couple of variants on the red and white stripes (rank xerox, hummel) which show that moving away from traditional red and white stripes isn't necessarily a bad thing, though I do prefer to see Saints side in the stripes. And the 125 year kit was IMO a great idea and nice little nod to our history. Changing the whole kit just for money purposes, and therefore effectively making the nickname of the club redundant, is a step way too far though. You'd just as well do an MK Dons and up sticks to a more prosperous part of the country, as you're effectively ripping the previous heart and soul out of the football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Always thought Atlético Madrid's kit was superb, blue shorts would look great IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Our away kit has been blue on several occasions. Not sure I could tolerate an all-blue home kit, but we used to play in blue shorts back near the beginning. I'm fairly open-minded. Bored with red-and-white stripes anyway. If you are so bored the club down the road play in blue and are having an equally exciting time. May suit your mindset tbh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 If you are so bored the club down the road play in blue and are having an equally exciting time. May suit your mindset tbh.... ????????????????? I am sure I wrote I am bored with stripes, nothing else. Another illiterate contributor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Always thought Atlético Madrid's kit was superb, blue shorts would look great IMO.nice article about Terry Paine in When Saturday Comes with photos showing him in Saints kit including dark blue shorts. I think we should go for that colour again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Old gold for away preceded yellow as i recall 9even in living memory for me!!). I always thought stripes were what Saints were all about. Sometimes wondered why we don't just replace the white stripe with black for the away strip - that would look pretty classy I think. Red /white stripes with white shorts and red /black stripes with black shorts would ensure there is never a clash. Actually i seem to remember Hoddle planning to change the home kit to white shorts just before he left for Spuds. Something to do with picking each other out with more ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 The colour of a home kit should never change. The away kit is the ideal place if you want to mess around with different colours and designs. Saints have played in pretty much every colour on their away kit, except green. Personally I'd love to see us adopt a green away kit as there's so few clubs that play in green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Don't see any reason why this should happen. It's nothing against blue - there won't be any other league club in Hampshire playing in blue before too long - but messing about with the colours is just plain stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I'm fairly open-minded. Bored with red-and-white stripes anyway. Just as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Anyway, playing in red gives you an advantage - evolution and all that. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4559071.stm No doubt referenced on here before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 TBF when we have had blue away kits, it has been nothing like PFC blue thank goodness. But if we changed wholesale to blue, including the stadium, brading, everything, then it would be a very dark day I'd say the 1991 Blue flame away kit was about as close as you can get to Skate colours, a variety of blue shades leading to an overall effect of mid-blue (not navy, sky or teal like our other blue kits), even white shorts with red trim and blue/white/red socks. Dodgy - and lucky we also had the yellow flame kit that season. I can't see Cardiff rebranding - it would be ludicrous for a side that has such well-defined colours over such a long time and are nicknamed the Bluebirds, especially as Swansea have a red/white/green Wales-influenced away kit next season. No doubt as popular as Newport County's Argentina makeover for 1976, or their natty striped tangerine and black shorts of the early 70s. Saints playing in red shirts ? I can see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Bored with red-and-white stripes anyway. Just as well. Saints playing in red shirts ? I can see that. So, to summarise, our kit next season is predominently red? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 6 June, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Well, it's happened. http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10335~2798585,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Their nickname is the Blue Birds as as far as I can tell, that bird is still blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 The last time we wore blue in the Prem we were relegated. It was a dreary blue and the omens for wearing blue are BAD. No, no, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I did like the yellow shirt and the strong, positive blue of the shorts in last year's away kit, however. But NEVER a blue shirt of whatever shade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Can't blame them, they need the money more than anything else. Their chairman is trying to drum up investment (like a good chairman should) and has found the best way to market the club in Asia is change the colours. It's sad seeing as its the clubs identity but if they want to go anywhere they need investment, which this is the best way to get it. If Cardiff want to be the champs Everton they'll stay blue and continue failing in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 The last time we wore blue in the Prem we were relegated. It was a dreary blue and the omens for wearing blue are BAD. No, no, no. We also wore it in the Championship the following season and didn't get relegated, so it's hardly an omen. As a one time Newport County season ticket holder I'd like to take this opportunity to laugh heartily at Cardiff City becoming a massive bunch of money-desperate sellouts and dumping all over their history and nickname, so hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Can't blame them, they need the money more than anything else. Their chairman is trying to drum up investment (like a good chairman should) and has found the best way to market the club in Asia is change the colours. It's sad seeing as its the clubs identity but if they want to go anywhere they need investment, which this is the best way to get it. I'd suggest the chairman should be trying to drum up support a little closer to home before taking such significant measures which could alienate the current customer base in chasing a target market thousands of miles away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Wonder what chances there are of a Cardiff Bluebirds splinter club forming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 The owners should be made to ditch the "Est. 1899" from the badge IMO!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Well, it's happened. http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10335~2798585,00.html Its must feel like they've sold their soul to the devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I can't help feeling there's a bit of an overreaction to this. I don't particularly agree with what they've done, but its hardly without pervious precedent. Leeds United for example. They've changed their badge a number of times (as recently as the 1990s), the image below shows the changes made since the first change in the 1960s. Leeds also traditionally used to play in blue and yellow, before don Revie changed all that with an all-white kit (and the blue/yellow remained for the away kit, which Cardiff have also done). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Wonder what chances there are of a Cardiff Bluebirds splinter club forming. Zero, as about 75% of their current fanbase are already plastics and any splinter group would be pointed at the Welsh Premier League not the English pyramid by the authorities. And there are already at least 5 Cardiff-based clubs in the Welsh League, none of which get crowds, never mind decent crowds. I know 3 Cardiff City ST holders, one is a former South Wales Arsenal Supporters Club member, one was a Spurs fan and occasional WHL attendee when I was going out with her best mate in the late 1990s, and the last one is a lifelong plastic Liverpool fan who jumped ship when they were top of the Championship a few years back. None of them had ever seen a Cardiff City match before they got into the Championship, and none of them live in Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I can't help feeling there's a bit of an overreaction to this. I don't particularly agree with what they've done, but its hardly without pervious precedent. Leeds United for example. They've changed their badge a number of times (as recently as the 1990s), the image below shows the changes made since the first change in the 1960s. Leeds also traditionally used to play in blue and yellow, before don Revie changed all that with an all-white kit (and the blue/yellow remained for the away kit, which Cardiff have also done). Plenty of clubs have experiemented with changing their colours for various reasons, but there's "rebranding", and there's being so desperate for money you'll completely sell out the club's identity from the last 100 years. This is the latter. They probably should have thought of this before building their entire new stadium in blue really, shouldn't they ? Especially as Cardiff Blues rugby club are now vacating to move back to the Arms Park as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 (edited) Plenty of clubs have experiemented with changing their colours for various reasons, but there's "rebranding", and there's being so desperate for money you'll completely sell out the club's identity from the last 100 years. This is the latter. They probably should have thought of this before building their entire new stadium in blue really, shouldn't they ? Especially as Cardiff Blues rugby club are now vacating to move back to the Arms Park as well. I don't see a massive amount of difference, to be honest. As I said I don't particularly agree with it, and if I were a Saints fan and it happened to us I'd be against it. But in the general scheme of things its hardly like "selling your soul to the devil" or "ripping the heart out of the club" (which, to be fair, was my initial reaction until I actually thought about it a bit). The new badge plays on the pride of being a Welsh club with the iconic dragon, plus a reference to the bluebird, so it is still relevant to Cardiff as a club. Leeds change of logo and particularly change of kit was initiated by Don Revie, as he saw it as a way to gain a competitive advantage on the pitch. Cardiff are re-branding in an attempt to increase their revenues to plough into the club and therefore gain a competitive advantage on the pitch. Edited 6 June, 2012 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I don't see a massive amount of difference, to be honest. As I said I don't particularly agree with it, and if I were a Saints fan and it happened to us I'd be against it. But in the general scheme of things its hardly like "selling your soul to the devil" or "ripping the heart out of the club". The new badge plays on the pride of being a Welsh club with the iconic dragon, plus a reference to the bluebird, so it is still relevant to Cardiff as a club. Leeds change of logo and particularly change of kit was initiated by Don Revie, as he saw it as a way to gain a competitive advantage on the pitch. Cardiff are re-branding in an attempt to increase their revenues to plough into the club and therefore gain a competitive advantage on the pitch. It's an enormously embarrassing money-grabbing scheme that no "proud" football club should stand for, entirely caused by their money problems due to mismanagement, and I will be milking it for all it's worth to some of my former work colleagues on Facebook. The dragon thing is also the last refuge of the desperate, and Sam Hamman tried to do the same thing 10 years ago when they first added the welsh flag to the shirt and tried to claim they were the true "welsh club" that all welsh people should support. The derision from Swansea City fans (away kit this season of red, white and green) was tangible. It was bad enough when they made last season's 3rd kit the colours of the Malaysian national team ! I give it 2 years before they change their name to something like Cardiff Dragonny Proper Welsh Isnit Malaysians as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 There'll be some mocking of the decision in the short term. But the end of the day no-one really gives enough of a stuff about Cardiff for it to make much difference. What's more shocking is that they couldn't do any better with the design of a new badge than getting a 12 year old with MS Paint to draw it. As for "Fire and Passion", that's pretty cringeworthy too. Poor idea, but absolutely horrific execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I can't help feeling there's a bit of an overreaction to this. I don't particularly agree with what they've done, but its hardly without pervious precedent. Leeds United for example. They've changed their badge a number of times (as recently as the 1990s), the image below shows the changes made since the first change in the 1960s. Leeds also traditionally used to play in blue and yellow, before don Revie changed all that with an all-white kit (and the blue/yellow remained for the away kit, which Cardiff have also done). TBH Leeds didn't have much of a history before Revie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 TBH Leeds didn't have much of a history before Revie. Whereas Cardiff have had a rich tapestry of success and history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Whereas Cardiff have had a rich tapestry of success and history? I meant in terms of their timeline. Revie took over less than 42 years after they were formed and completely transformed the club into the giant it became. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I would be dead against us playing in blue. I wouldn't care too much if we lost the stripes and went for all Red or preferably all white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I meant in terms of their timeline. Revie took over less than 42 years after they were formed and completely transformed the club into the giant it became. True; but the aim of these guys at Cardiff is to do the same. Its a controversial way of going about it, I admit, but again not without precedent. After all Leeds' success with revie they changed their badge a further 2 or 3 times, so that's hardly steeped in history. We invented a whole new badge for ourselves, not all that far short of 100 years into existence. Cardiff are taking it an extra step forward by doing what they're doing. But give it 2 or 3 years and this whole thing will be completely forgotten by 99% of the football supporting public, and if it massively increases their revenues then it will have been worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 It's madness as far as I can see. It's not so much the change of colour (although that's bad enough), it's the implication that changing the kit to red and having a dragon as the main logo will lead to a surge in support in Kuala Lumpur. Are Asian football fans so easily seduced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I would be dead against us playing in blue. I wouldn't care too much if we lost the stripes and went for all Red or preferably all white. Of course, us switching to blue would be an awful thought. However, Cardiff don't have rivals who play in red. Their national team play in red; the red dragon in the new badge actually made up a part of the old badge. Its a re-branding, for sure, but not an eradication of their history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Of course, us switching to blue would be an awful thought. However, Cardiff don't have rivals who play in red. Their national team play in red; the red dragon in the new badge actually made up a part of the old badge. Its a re-branding, for sure, but not an eradication of their history. Two of their old traditional rivals play in red. Wrexham and Bristol City. Although in recent seasons Wrexham haven't been competing at the same level as Cardiff, Bristol City have and they hate them almost as much as they hate Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 The Official line - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/06/06/the-full-cardiff-city-re-branding-statement-91466-31122276/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 There'll be some mocking of the decision in the short term. But the end of the day no-one really gives enough of a stuff about Cardiff for it to make much difference. What's more shocking is that they couldn't do any better with the design of a new badge than getting a 12 year old with MS Paint to draw it. As for "Fire and Passion", that's pretty cringeworthy too. Poor idea, but absolutely horrific execution. I assure you, I will NEVER stop bringing this up. They're on a par with the Skate Cheats to me. The 2008 FA Cup Final was not a favourite moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Football365 Mediawatch's take on it Not The End Of The World Of course, there are plenty of people getting into an awful tizz over this trampling on the traditions of Cardiff by this change. However, while Cardiff's owners have changed colours because they think it will earn them more Asian coin, we should probably point out that this sort of thing is as old as time. Chelsea changed from light blue to royal blue 100 years ago, Leeds changed from yellow to all white in the 1960s because Don Revie wanted to look like Real Madrid, Coventry switched to sky blue in the early sixties, Malcolm Allison altered Crystal Palace's colours and team badge in 1973...we could go on. In short, it's hardly ideal, but not the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 It's madness as far as I can see. It's not so much the change of colour (although that's bad enough), it's the implication that changing the kit to red and having a dragon as the main logo will lead to a surge in support in Kuala Lumpur. Are Asian football fans so easily seduced? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Leeds before Don Revie... Liverpool before Bill Shankly... Coventry before Jimmy Hill... etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Leeds before Don Revie... Liverpool before Bill Shankly... Coventry before Jimmy Hill... etc etc etc Notwithstanding the fact this point has already been made, I feel the epic fail of the pictures selected gives your point extra gravitas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I feel the epic fail of the pictures selected gives your point extra gravitas. What "epic fail"? I can see them fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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