dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Why would we make significantly more money out of town than in the city? Cost of land in Hampshire is what? I've explained why, it opens us up to the region. Make it easy for people to drive in and out and that's an obstacle removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Anyone know what the average attendance stats for Hampshire CC were in Northlands road compared with the Rosebowl? I don't, but different comparison. Not the same need/culture of going to the pub before and after a day of cricket as there is with the football. More staggered arrival and departure times as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I've explained why, it opens us up to the region. Make it easy for people to drive in and out and that's an obstacle removed. Enough extra money to justify the costs of moving? How much would St Marys be sold for in relation to land outside the city being bought for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 As much as i love the inner city stadium i do recognise that if we could obtain all the required land at Stoneham it would allow the club to expand its operations in a big way. There is plenty of land at Stoneham if you also include parcels of land on all sides of Junction 5 (M27) but i think it would be very difficult to obtain them all. I also think it would have to be one hell of a project (hundreds of millions in cost) to convince all the necessary councils/authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I don't, but different comparison. Not the same need/culture of going to the pub before and after a day of cricket as there is with the football. More staggered arrival and departure times as well. I dont either - but since the Rosebowl is in financial trouble Im guessing the extra custom they were anticipating didnt materialise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I've explained why, it opens us up to the region. Make it easy for people to drive in and out and that's an obstacle removed. How much did Brighton's fairly rubbish ground take to build? Close to £100m wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I don't, but different comparison. Not the same need/culture of going to the pub before and after a day of cricket as there is with the football. More staggered arrival and departure times as well. The culture you're talking about is in decline, that's the thing. There's no potential for growth from this demographic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 hes blocked me, what a nob, , see you soon Perhaps he thought you turned into a keyboard bully. Love that phrase. I think we should invest in a 100,000 seat stadium asap so we can outdo Arsenal, Man U and all the rest of them, while we are on a roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 How much did Brighton's fairly rubbish ground take to build? Close to £100m wasn't it? So? We are owned by rich people. And if Brighton did it we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 still posting then yellowbelly Not bad for someone with no hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 hes blocked me, what a nob, , see you soon I haven't actually. You're free to send and post whatever you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bob Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 It's gonna be a while because we'd need planning permission etc. I believe it will happen and that we do have the potential to make a 40k stadium feasible. Reckon we'll hear something during the course of this season coming. That said people keep talking about expansion, but imo relocation is the best option and the option Cortese would prefer. Whilst St Mary's was under construction, I had a chat with the infamous Dark Knight R L, who stated that the stadia, has been constructed so that another tier could easily be added doubling the size to 60k. If this is true, then the planning department must know all about it. Surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Hmm A run down industrial estate owned by a bettered pension Fund. A Gasometer that will shortly come to the end of it's useful life and could be re-used for "temporary" accomodation such as a hotel. A knackered lump of land with prime waterfront access covered in piles of gravel. All within walking distance of the City Centre. No, nothing to develop at SMS. Thank goodness no extremely wealthy people have any interests in that part of town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Whilst St Mary's was under construction, I had a chat with the infamous Dark Knight R L, who stated that the stadia, has been constructed so that another tier could easily be added doubling the size to 60k. If this is true, then the planning department must know all about it. Surely? Correct but there were stipulations about "access" and "transport links" hence the "Station" discussions over the past years (including MANY sensible arguments and facts as to why it may NOT be feasible financially or physically) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I dont either - but since the Rosebowl is in financial trouble Im guessing the extra custom they were anticipating didnt materialise. Yeah it was entirely unforeseen financial limitations called the ECB( (not giving them an Ashes Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Hmm A run down industrial estate owned by a bettered pension Fund. A Gasometer that will shortly come to the end of it's useful life and could be re-used for "temporary" accomodation such as a hotel. A knackered lump of land with prime waterfront access covered in piles of gravel. All within walking distance of the City Centre. No, nothing to develop at SMS. Thank goodness no extremely wealthy people have any interests in that part of town Thats exactly what I was thinking and with the town depot part of the city primed for development anything is possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Thats exactly what I was thinking and with the town depot part of the city primed for development anything is possible Now all we have to do is sit back and wait for an expert to tell us that nobody ever invests in Property in the middle of a recession when everything is cheaper because of the risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Whether or not anyone thinks it's neccessary, expansion or a move away seems to be on the agenda providing we stay up next year. As an established prem team, we've shown that 32K isnt enough. The only argument is exactly how much more capacity is needed. Personally I think 38-40K will be enough to meet demand for "big" games. Therefore, expansion seems like the most sensible option over a move away. Lots of talk that NC is would prefer to look at a move however so I guess we just need to watch this space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Whether or not anyone thinks it's neccessary, expansion or a move away seems to be on the agenda providing we stay up next year. As an established prem team, we've shown that 32K isnt enough. The only argument is exactly how much more capacity is needed. Personally I think 38-40K will be enough to meet demand for "big" games. Therefore, expansion seems like the most sensible option over a move away. Lots of talk that NC is would prefer to look at a move however so I guess we just need to watch this space. That's good to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon 84 Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 OMFG! expansion just means more numnuts in jester hats & clown suits.... Please noooooooooooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 true, but we cant pass up the chance to improve, unlike after 2003 cup final lessons must be learnt This. Good post. But NC isnt Rupert Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 cant we get back to the topic? i.e the 1st page posts and all the trouble they caused... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 How much did Brighton's fairly rubbish ground take to build? Close to £100m wasn't it? Something like that 93m I read and it needs the corners filled in - the transport links are abysmal and massive punch ups waiting to happen - the concourses are pathetic. The only thing going for it was the real ale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 If the stadium is expanded/redeveloped there is a couple of additions that i believe would be perfect to assist the club in its aspirations (on & off the pitch). 1. Incorporate an indoor arena (southampton is crying out for one). 2. Incorporate a large casino complex (did southampton city not get an option/license for one of these?). It all depends on planning/infrastructure/land/funds available but i think these 2 additions would be real money spinners for the club. Is this likely to happen, who knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 If the stadium is expanded/redeveloped there is a couple of additions that i believe would be perfect to assist the club in its aspirations (on & off the pitch). 1. Incorporate an indoor arena (southampton is crying out for one). 2. Incorporate a large casino complex (did southampton city not get an option/license for one of these?). It all depends on planning/infrastructure/land/funds available but i think these 2 additions would be real money spinners for the club. Is this likely to happen, who knows! what use is a casino in britania road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Something like that 93m I read and it needs the corners filled in - the transport links are abysmal and massive punch ups waiting to happen - the concourses are pathetic. The only thing going for it was the real ale Exactly. So what would it cost us to build a 40/50k out of town ground? Not saying it'll never happen, but it'd be a massive undertaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Exactly. So what would it cost us to build a 40/50k out of town ground? Not saying it'll never happen, but it'd be a massive undertaking. It would, but the training ground was a massive undertaking, and if we are to build solid foundations for a generation of prosperity we need to be ahead of the game. The Liebherrs won't be around forever so my hope is that we make hay while the sun is shining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 so, as well as pumping £200m into the playing side of the club....the family will now pump another £100m to build a new stadium jesus christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 It would, but the training ground was a massive undertaking, and if we are to build solid foundations for a generation of prosperity we need to be ahead of the game. The Liebherrs won't be around forever so my hope is that we make hay while the sun is shining. I agree...I would like to see SMS at least 38k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I don't think SMS could be expanded in any great way due to the site constraints. On one side there is a railway line, a Gas storage facility a stonesthrow from another end, and light industrial units / resi plots a sand wedge away on the other two sides. With any increase in site footprint and capacity, access and exit assessments will probably very difficult to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I agree...I would like to see SMS at least 38k Sounds about right to me. Stick an extra tier on top. Keep a pretty even balance between supply and demand at Premier League prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Sounds about right to me. Stick an extra tier on top. Keep a pretty even balance between supply and demand at Premier League prices. yep..about right for us....wold still sell out many games and still get more what we do now for nearly all the others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 what use is a casino in britania road? The waterfront! or even a completely different location. As my post say's it would all depend on planning/infrastructure/land/funds available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 so, as well as pumping £200m into the playing side of the club....the family will now pump another £100m to build a new stadium jesus christ Do you know something we don't? Or are you just quoting others opinions/suggestions from this Forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I agree...I would like to see SMS at least 38k I wouldn't. St Marys as a location is too restrictive. We need to move out of town to maximise our potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Does anyone have a link to the stoneham plans? I've had a look but can't find anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I wouldn't. St Marys as a location is too restrictive. We need to move out of town to maximise our potential. When you say out of town, do you mean out of the city centre or outside of Southampton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 When you say out of town, do you mean out of the city centre or outside of Southampton? With easy access off the motorway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I agree...I would like to see SMS at least 38k We'd get that for a reserve game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vershinin Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I wouldn't. St Marys as a location is too restrictive. We need to move out of town to maximise our potential. I really, really hope we don't move out of the city. It would be truly awful to have a souless, remote stadium. St Mary's can be expanded, let's do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 is all this expansion to cater for the Johnny Come Latelys for the PL? Dont think we needed a bigger stadia when we were getting beat by Doncaster in Div 1 on a Tuesday night? Do we want to be a football club with p[roper fans i.e. 25K committed or a Pl franchise with 40K then will disappear at the first sign of trouble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 No sorry, wouldn't be up for moving stadium outside of Southampton at all. 1st choice is expansion, in the end of the day, the club is at its heart right now, you could say the spiritual home being 'St Mary's If we had to move for overall progress of the club, I wouldn't be totally against it buy it would definitely have to be WITHIN Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I really, really hope we don't move out of the city. It would be truly awful to have a souless, remote stadium. St Mary's can be expanded, let's do that. You have contradicted yourself mate. SMS is souless, compared to The Dell at least anyway, dont see what effect of moving a stadium like SMS anywhere would have on its soul, that was left behind in Archers Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Does anyone have a link to the stoneham plans? I've had a look but can't find anything. Why do you keep on about Stoneham thats dead and buried...the local nimbys and Eastleigh council saw to that. In its place what have they got....empty fields that was earmarked for a potential site for permanent Gypsies to stay at. The station isn't close and not set up for hoards of people to walk to the ground - the pathways are too narrow and people would need to get across a bridge over the motorway - great idea that. At the moment traffic between the Eastleigh turn offs is a mare can you imagine what that would cause to the motorway traffic on matchday? Especially in good weather going to the beaches? You don't live in Southampton so do not see all of this - trust me Stoneham is a crap idea for anything more than what Eastleigh have the roads/infrastructure can't take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 (edited) is all this expansion to cater for the Johnny Come Latelys for the PL? Dont think we needed a bigger stadia when we were getting beat by Doncaster in Div 1 on a Tuesday night? Do we want to be a football club with p[roper fans i.e. 25K committed or a Pl franchise with 40K then will disappear at the first sign of trouble? Ah the 'proper fan' argument. Havent heard that for a post or two. Its an easy fact of life that every club gets more fans the higher the division and fewer the lower they are. If Saints had been relegated all the way to Blue Square three quarters of the people who now consider themselves 'real fans' instead of plastics would have been nowhere to be seen. How come you dont spend you time watching Eastleigh instead of Saints Noodles? You live there after all and the stadium has got the 'soul' you are after. I hope its not coz theres little glamour at Silverlake. Edited 9 May, 2012 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I really, really hope we don't move out of the city. It would be truly awful to have a souless, remote stadium. St Mary's can be expanded, let's do that. Exactly. Look at Colchester, Brighton, Reading and Coventry as examples, terrible away days mainly because the ground is miles out of town. The location of SMS could not be better and there is plenty of room around the ground to develop. It would surely be cheaper to acquire additional land around SMS in a run down part of the city, rather than Stoneham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 If we did move, would that set a record for the shortest stay at a "new" stadium ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Our ground is in a great location. While we have no way of knowing for sure, I absolutely think that having an out of town stadium would have a detrimental effect on attendances. And I think the transport links to St Marys are actually very good, compared to many other clubs. There are a few railway stations within reasonable walking distance, plenty of bus routes, all the parking that a city centre affords, plus a park and ride system. I certainly think that there is, within the next few years, enough potential to investigate whether we should increase the stadium to a capacity up to 40K. It's certainly worth looking at, which of course the club will conitnue to do. But (IMO anyway) I think that a city-centre ground is paramount to keeping attendances high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Ah the 'proper fan' argument. Havent heard that for a post or two. Its an easy fact of life that every club gets more fans the higher the division and fewer the lower they are. If Saints had been relegated all the way to Blue Square three quarters of the people who now consider themselves 'real fans' instead of plastics would have been nowhere to be seen. How come you dont spend you time watching Eastleigh instead of Saints Noodles? You live there after all and the stadium has got the 'soul' you are after. I hope its not coz theres little glamour at Silverlake. You are completely right of course (in your own little patronising way), however, if we want to be one of the big clubs then hopefully you will be just fine with the likes of Fiona Phillips renewing her faith in her hometown club, a faith in which she had back in the old PL days. Of course when we went down, she went to Chelsea. Thats my 'proper fan' argument. Listen, I will be along for the CL ride if it happens and no doubt there could be 40/50K in SMS with me, but there is a part of me that wishes I was still watching Barry Horne equalise from Under The East Stand. As for Eastleigh, never supported them, born in the town but always gone to Saints, thats the way it was back then, stupid argument really, you could sub regionalise any of us to a more local team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 As for Eastleigh, never supported them, born in the town but always gone to Saints, thats the way it was back then, stupid argument really, you could sub regionalise any of us to a more local team. feel free to support your home town club....glory hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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