Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 who else wants a "chat" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 who else wants a "chat" Can you imagine? "You ruined by b***dy thread you b@stard!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harwellsaint Posted 8 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 8 May, 2012 cant back yourself then, as i said i started a thread about future of our club, if you dont want to engage in real life keep typing, which stand is your season ticket then? if in itchen block 4 let me know, everyone i know likes me because im a loyal saint, home and away, not , a sad lonely excuse for a human like you, if you want a chat pm me if not go waste some elses time, if you want ill send you mine, looks like ur running out of excuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 sorry if already posted, but are we going to increase size of our ground now were promoted, or do we see what happens next season? in other words , do our owners go for it now? It's gonna be a while because we'd need planning permission etc. I believe it will happen and that we do have the potential to make a 40k stadium feasible. Reckon we'll hear something during the course of this season coming. That said people keep talking about expansion, but imo relocation is the best option and the option Cortese would prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 (edited) classic thread Neil, good responses, you are learning well my son... all you need is Avenue saint on ya back and then you really would have it coming!! Shut up and sit back down. For what it's worth I reckon it's hilarious how some people on here get tooled up and ready for world war 3 the moment anyone posts the slightest thing Related to future expansion/development. In the end of the day, I'm sure if they had it their way they would be arguing why the need to move out of the dell when 'we see some empty seats still going'! Some people on here need to lighten up, everyone has hopes and ambitions for their club, without our resident experts getting all 'fanatical'... Oh and reading all that sour toss (mash) on every thread, every argument, soul destroying FFS.... Get a life mush! Edited 8 May, 2012 by Avenue Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 cant back yourself then, as i said i started a thread about future of our club, if you dont want to engage in real life keep typing, which stand is your season ticket then? if in itchen block 4 let me know, everyone i know likes me because im a loyal saint, home and away, not , a sad lonely excuse for a human like you, if you want a chat pm me if not go waste some elses time, if you want ill send you mine, looks like ur running out of excuses Can you send me your number? I'm quite lonely and appreciate any texts I receive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Has this thread become a dating thread.... "Want to meet other lonely saints? Just PM them your number and let love blossom...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 cant back yourself then, as i said i started a thread about future of our club, if you dont want to engage in real life keep typing, which stand is your season ticket then? if in itchen block 4 let me know, everyone i know likes me because im a loyal saint, home and away, not , a sad lonely excuse for a human like you, if you want a chat pm me if not go waste some elses time, if you want ill send you mine, looks like ur running out of excuses I'll waste whoever's time I want thank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Shut up and sit back down. For what it's worth I reckon it's hilarious how some people on here get tooled up and ready for world war 3 the moment anyone posts the slightest thing Related to future expansion/development. In the end of the day, I'm sure if they had it their way they would be arguing why the need to move out of the dell when 'we see some empty seats still going'! Some people on here need to lighten up, everyone has hopes and ambitions for their club, without our resident experts getting all 'fanatical'... Oh and reading all that sour toss (mash) on every thread, every argument, soul destroying FFS.... Get a life mush! Thank goodness you cleared that up for everyone Fantastic thread, we need more like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Jesus wept- MLG-itus is spreading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Great site lads. Keep up the good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Shut up and sit back down. For what it's worth I reckon it's hilarious how some people on here get tooled up and ready for world war 3 the moment anyone posts the slightest thing Related to future expansion/development. In the end of the day, I'm sure if they had it their way they would be arguing why the need to move out of the dell when 'we see some empty seats still going'! Some people on here need to lighten up, everyone has hopes and ambitions for their club, without our resident experts getting all 'fanatical'... Oh and reading all that sour toss (mash) on every thread, every argument, soul destroying FFS.... Get a life mush! I'm particularly glad you're enjoying my posts, that always makes it worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I'm particularly glad you're enjoying my posts, that always makes it worthwhile. You need to relax mate, before you pop a vein... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harwellsaint Posted 8 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I'll waste whoever's time I want thank you very much dont fancy it then mush, gave you a chance to speak to me and you bottled it, great thread shame u missed the point up the saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Unfortunately the "point" has been missed about this topic at least 5 times in the last month when similar threads were started. I suspect this might be the reason you haven't quite got the responses you wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Can you please keep on topic. There is the muppet lounge if you're only interested in posting antagonistic rubbish. Now that _is_ funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Now that _is_ funny! Shouldn't you be at football training or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Shut up and sit back down. For what it's worth I reckon it's hilarious how some people on here get tooled up and ready for world war 3 the moment anyone posts the slightest thing Related to future expansion/development. In the end of the day, I'm sure if they had it their way they would be arguing why the need to move out of the dell when 'we see some empty seats still going'! Some people on here need to lighten up, everyone has hopes and ambitions for their club, without our resident experts getting all 'fanatical'... Oh and reading all that sour toss (mash) on every thread, every argument, soul destroying FFS.... Get a life mush! It's a forum and people have different views. The bottom line is that Nicola Cortese believes Saints can grow as a club. I happen to agree with him. We've seen Saints jump from a circa 18,000 gate club (based on Dell attendances when we had standing) to a 30,000 gate club in no time once we moved to St Marys. IMO if we can relocate and eradicate the logistical issues (transport congestion) then we can attract a lot more people from outside the city. Don't forget that during our Premier league days we had proportionally more season ticket holders from outside the city limits than any other club in the division. That is an amazing statistic for a club like us and clearly shows that we have a relatively wealthy fanbase which isn't surprising giving the money that is sloshing around in the south/south east. Lowe for all his faults was on the ball when it came to knowing his customers and taking advantage of this. Cortese needs to do the same and look beyong the city to grow the club. If we build out of town we'd be making a very shrewd business decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Shouldn't you be at football training or something? No, that's tomorrow and Friday. I really dislike bullies, and boy, does this site have some... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Unfortunately the "point" has been missed about this topic at least 5 times in the last month when similar threads were started. I suspect this might be the reason you haven't quite got the responses you wanted. True, anyone who has genuinely posted threads like this before has always had them turned into a free for all because of one thing. Nobody actually knows what NCs plans are except that he said he'd like to expand at dinners in the past. My opinion is we will expand when the time for doing so is right and surely everyone must agree on that. What the discussion should be about (and this is what most people miss) is what type of expansion should happen and for what purpose? 1. Cheap and cheerful just to add a few more seats for big games to bring in revenue. 2. More expensive and add more corporate possibilites such as boxes, commercial space etc 3. very expensive an rebuild a new stadium to really explore all commercial avenues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 It's a forum and people have different views. The bottom line is that Nicola Cortese believes Saints can grow as a club. I happen to agree with him. We've seen Saints jump from a circa 18,000 gate club (based on Dell attendances when we had standing) to a 30,000 gate club in no time once we moved to St Marys. IMO if we can relocate and eradicate the logistical issues (transport congestion) then we can attract a lot more people from outside the city. Don't forget that during our Premier league days we had proportionally more season ticket holders from outside the city limits than any other club in the division. That is an amazing statistic for a club like us and clearly shows that we have a relatively wealthy fanbase which isn't surprising giving the money that is sloshing around in the south/south east. Lowe for all his faults was on the ball when it came to knowing his customers and taking advantage of this. Cortese needs to do the same and look beyong the city to grow the club. If we build out of town we'd be making a very shrewd business decision. Thats what I'm talking about, great post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 It's a forum and people have different views. The bottom line is that Nicola Cortese believes Saints can grow as a club. I happen to agree with him. We've seen Saints jump from a circa 18,000 gate club (based on Dell attendances when we had standing) to a 30,000 gate club in no time once we moved to St Marys. IMO if we can relocate and eradicate the logistical issues (transport congestion) then we can attract a lot more people from outside the city. Don't forget that during our Premier league days we had proportionally more season ticket holders from outside the city limits than any other club in the division. That is an amazing statistic for a club like us and clearly shows that we have a relatively wealthy fanbase which isn't surprising giving the money that is sloshing around in the south/south east. Lowe for all his faults was on the ball when it came to knowing his customers and taking advantage of this. Cortese needs to do the same and look beyong the city to grow the club. If we build out of town we'd be making a very shrewd business decision. I could not think of anything worse than an out of town stadium. The one thing our identikit stadium has over most new grounds is it's location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 It's a forum and people have different views. The bottom line is that Nicola Cortese believes Saints can grow as a club. I happen to agree with him. We've seen Saints jump from a circa 18,000 gate club (based on Dell attendances when we had standing) to a 30,000 gate club in no time once we moved to St Marys. IMO if we can relocate and eradicate the logistical issues (transport congestion) then we can attract a lot more people from outside the city. Don't forget that during our Premier league days we had proportionally more season ticket holders from outside the city limits than any other club in the division. That is an amazing statistic for a club like us and clearly shows that we have a relatively wealthy fanbase which isn't surprising giving the money that is sloshing around in the south/south east. Lowe for all his faults was on the ball when it came to knowing his customers and taking advantage of this. Cortese needs to do the same and look beyong the city to grow the club. If we build out of town we'd be making a very shrewd business decision. Interesting post dunce! A lot of what you say makes sense but I don't reckon the move, out of town will ever be a popular one but then the necessity to do so i dont believe exists either. I reckon we'll take it up around 10, 12k within the next few years, and if things go well, I reckon we'll move (within city) Cortese is a shrewd businessman and stupidly ambitious, to expect some form of movement on the stadium issue is a given, just a case of when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I could not think of anything worse than an out of town stadium. The one thing our identikit stadium has over most new grounds is it's location. The location is great if you're 20 something and like a few pints, but the reality is that most fans nowadays prefer to clad themselves in tinsel and polyester and have a happy meal and a coke. From a business point of view these people and a more affluent middle class fan is the growth area - basically to coin a term the prawn sandwiche brigade. NC knows this and if we as a club are going to be able to compete at the highest level in the 21st Century we've got to be on the ball and provide what the majority want. That said if and when we do relocate i'd like to see good transports links with the city centre and amenities (pubs) in the vicinity, but it ain't gonna be like it was. Derby is the model every club should look to emulate. Close enough to decent pubs (20 min walk), but far enough away from congestion to allow ease of car access and with a few theme pubs and with a second to none rail/bus links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 It's a forum and people have different views. The bottom line is that Nicola Cortese believes Saints can grow as a club. I happen to agree with him. We've seen Saints jump from a circa 18,000 gate club (based on Dell attendances when we had standing) to a 30,000 gate club in no time once we moved to St Marys. IMO if we can relocate and eradicate the logistical issues (transport congestion) then we can attract a lot more people from outside the city. Don't forget that during our Premier league days we had proportionally more season ticket holders from outside the city limits than any other club in the division. That is an amazing statistic for a club like us and clearly shows that we have a relatively wealthy fanbase which isn't surprising giving the money that is sloshing around in the south/south east. Lowe for all his faults was on the ball when it came to knowing his customers and taking advantage of this. Cortese needs to do the same and look beyong the city to grow the club. If we build out of town we'd be making a very shrewd business decision. Us building out of town will never happen and should never happen. We're in the heart of the city, close to the club's history, pubs and takeaways, transport links aren't *that* bad. Where would be a practical place for us to move to? How many clubs with out of town grounds have really propered? Reading done ok, but others hav certainly struggled....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Interesting post dunce! A lot of what you say makes sense but I don't reckon the move, out of town will ever be a popular one but then the necessity to do so i dont believe exists either. I reckon we'll take it up around 10, 12k within the next few years, and if things go well, I reckon we'll move (within city) Cortese is a shrewd businessman and stupidly ambitious, to expect some form of movement on the stadium issue is a given, just a case of when. St Marys can't expand FFS, the roads in the area can't cope as it is. I can't see it getting planning permission because of the impact it has on businesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Interesting post dunce! A lot of what you say makes sense but I don't reckon the move, out of town will ever be a popular one but then the necessity to do so i dont believe exists either. I reckon we'll take it up around 10, 12k within the next few years, and if things go well, I reckon we'll move (within city) Cortese is a shrewd businessman and stupidly ambitious, to expect some form of movement on the stadium issue is a given, just a case of when. I can't see us moving in or out the city but if we do then I definitely can't see us spending aload of money on the current stadium to then move a few years down the line. That just wouldn't be economically viable would it? Anyone know what the major disadvantages of staying where we are? The city development is slowly moving toward the ground, especially if they develop town depot. There was talk about a snowdome and everything at one point. Thanks dune you just answered some of my question in your above post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 St Marys can't expand FFS, the roads in the area can't cope as it is. I can't see it getting planning permission because of the impact it has on businesses. Need to get that rail running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Us building out of town will never happen and should never happen. We're in the heart of the city, close to the club's history, pubs and takeaways, transport links aren't *that* bad. Where would be a practical place for us to move to? How many clubs with out of town grounds have really propered? Reading done ok, but others hav certainly struggled....... It's got to happen, whether it should or shouldn't is irrelevent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Need to get that rail running. Very unlikely, very impractical and expensive. St Marys is within reasonable walking distance of 3 train stations (one main one), how many other grounds, particularly out of London can say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Us building out of town will never happen and should never happen. We're in the heart of the city, close to the club's history, pubs and takeaways, transport links aren't *that* bad. Where would be a practical place for us to move to? How many clubs with out of town grounds have really propered? Reading done ok, but others hav certainly struggled....... Teams don't struggle because of location, they struggle because of how the team is playing and what league the team is in. I've already given the example of Derby as to a perfect example of a perfect out of town development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harwellsaint Posted 8 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 8 May, 2012 still posting then yellowbelly Us building out of town will never happen and should never happen. We're in the heart of the city, close to the club's history, pubs and takeaways, transport links aren't *that* bad. Where would be a practical place for us to move to? How many clubs with out of town grounds have really propered? Reading done ok, but others hav certainly struggled....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I can't see us moving in or out the city but if we do then I definitely can't see us spending aload of money on the current stadium to then move a few years down the line. That just wouldn't be economically viable would it? Anyone know what the major disadvantages of staying where we are? The city development is slowly moving toward the ground, especially if they develop town depot. There was talk about a snowdome and everything at one point. Thanks dune you just answered some of my question in your above post. I think a lot will depend on close deliberation with the council. If they are accommodating and still have some viable regeneration plans for the area, we will see expansion. If the council are awkward, Cortese will probably actively look at a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Teams don't struggle because of location, they struggle because of how the team is playing and what league the team is in. I've already given the example of Derby as to a perfect example of a perfect out of town development. Derby isn't out of town, it is walkable from the town centre (just) and has plenty of pubs close by. Where could Saints rtealistically build a sizeable ground? Remember in one of the most nimby parts of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Very unlikely, very impractical and expensive. St Marys is within reasonable walking distance of 3 train stations (one main one), how many other grounds, particularly out of London can say that? It's pointless as well because the issue is the logistics for car drivers. F/ck all this "save the planet socialist dogma" - what people want is to drive their cars to a game, straight in and straight out. Solve that issue and SFC can grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Are transport links that bad? People have access to the biggest car park around...the city. Its a bit of a walk for some but at least it disperses the crowd and is better than having a huge car park next to the ground that gets gridlocked every game. Rail links are a bit of a problem but if you are prepared to walk then its OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 still posting then yellowbelly Clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 It's pointless as well because the issue is the logistics for car drivers. F/ck all this "save the planet socialist dogma" - what people want is to drive their cars to a game, straight in and straight out. Solve that issue and SFC can grow. Would have to be located at stoneham then next to the M3 and M27 to get rid of that volume of cars at the end of the game easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harwellsaint Posted 8 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Derby isn't out of town, it is walkable from the town centre (just) and has plenty of pubs close by. Where could Saints rtealistically build a sizeable ground? Remember in one of the most nimby parts of the country. bottle job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Derby isn't out of town, it is walkable from the town centre (just) and has plenty of pubs close by. Where could Saints rtealistically build a sizeable ground? Remember in one of the most nimby parts of the country. It is far enough out of town to be able drive in easily and drive out easily. It's a perfect location to please everyone. I'm not sure where we could relocate to though, but there's always a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Are transport links that bad? People have access to the biggest car park around...the city. Its a bit of a walk for some but at least it disperses the crowd and is better than having a huge car park next to the ground that gets gridlocked every game. No they arent. Big drive to venues with big carparks are a nightmare to get in and out of. Try driving to the O2, Lakeside etc. I guess Dune prefers an out of town stadium close to the motorway because he wants to drive in, go to a game and go home - which is fair enough. I drive a pretty long distance to a game too - but usually spend time in town. I reckon most people prefer the in town location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Would have to be located at stoneham then next to the M3 and M27 to get rid of that volume of cars at the end of the game easily. That went well last time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 This has all the making of a classic thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 No they arent. Big drive to venues with big carparks are a nightmare to get in and out of. Try driving to the O2, Lakeside etc. I guess Dune prefers an out of town stadium close to the motorway because he wants to drive in, go to a game and go home - which is fair enough. I drive a pretty long distance to a game too - but usually spend time in town. I reckon most people prefer the in town location. No, I prefer in town, but i'm not looking at this through sentimental eyes, i'm looking at it with a business head on. St Marys is totally unsuitable for the 21st cenury in terms of location to facilitate growth. In business you either grow or you decline and i'd rather Saints be a club that moves with the times otherwise in a few years we'll be another Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 bottle job Calm down, your thread is finally taking off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 No, I prefer in town, but i'm not looking at this through sentimental eyes, i'm looking at it with a business head on. St Marys is totally unsuitable for the 21st cenury in terms of location to facilitate growth. In business you either grow or you decline and i'd rather Saints be a club that moves with the times otherwise in a few years we'll be another Pompey. Why would we make significantly more money out of town than in the city? Cost of land in Hampshire is what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 That went well last time... Time are a changing. With the relaxation of planning to stimulate the growth our country now needs it's a prime to launch another application for a development that will act as a satelite for other developments. Local authorities aren't gonna be wallowing in borrowed money looking ahead, they're gonna need to earn it by encouraging people with money coming in and spending it in their boroughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 SMS is perfect to develope, the area could become a huge leisure and resturant area, where the family could make a whole day out. Incorporating the football, bars, restaurants, cinema, ice rink all on the water front. People using the club shop. The scope is never ending, and it seems that football chairman are missing huge potential all over the country. Why not have another pitch and have the ladies game at lunchtime, and the enterence fee is part of your ticket. They would get bigger crowds and it would rise the profile of the ladies game. Just need to buy some of the land and get the planning to develope the waterfront area. Ok this is the hard part, but it could be a awesome development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harwellsaint Posted 8 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Why would we make significantly more money out of town than in the city? Cost of land in Hampshire is what? hes blocked me, what a nob, , see you soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Anyone know what the average attendance stats for Hampshire CC were in Northlands road compared with the Rosebowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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