PC thread

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

This is not a cue to open up a can of them there worms, but going on from the Lounge's PC thread, I thought we could have our own TMS one.

 

What things have been rid/changed due to the PC brigade, which you feel should have been left alone?

 

I am not sure if these are rumours or indeed true, so please dont jump on them, acusing me of reading the Daily Mail too much.

 

Bar bar black sheep: apparently this has now been changed to bar bar white sheep? Anyone with kids able to confirm this?

 

Black boards, now being called chalk boards, or such? Again, Im sure a teacher or parent could confirm this?

 

Any others?

[Scudamore]

It's PC gone MAD

[Pancake]

Sorry, but this is only going to go one way. I hope Im wrong, but Im going to watch this and any movement into racism/xenophobia etc will be pounced on.

[Robsk II]

Thing is Shane, most of that's ********. Most people you think are crazy treehugging commies wouldn't advocate this kind of crap.

[Ekelund24]

I have a Dell

[scott_saints]

West Quay actually did not put up a xmas tree because of this, It is fact

It's not fact. They debated not putting one up but did in the end I think.

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Sorry, but this is only going to go one way. I hope Im wrong, but Im going to watch this and any movement into racism/xenophobia etc will be pounced on.

 

Which is why I said not a cue to open a can of worms.

 

West Quay not putting up xmas tree incase it offends muslims FFS.

 

This is something which upsets me too. As a whole, traditionally, the UK is Christian based. I have nothing against the diversification of the UK, and welcome it to some degree, however, when they make rules up like this to pander to the insane few of the minorities, it is going too far. I expect most non-Christians would not blink an eye at seeing a Christmas tree, let alone be offended or complain.

 

So why do it?

[JohnnyFartPants]

West Quay actually did not put up a xmas tree because of this, It is fact

 

Can you show us the proof to this fact then?

[Master Bates]

I'm just saying one thing, different cultures etc in England are allowed to celebrate their holy festivals so we should be allowed to do the same.

 

End of, close thread.

[scott_saints]

Oh, and one that does get me is when people find the Union Jack offensive.....wtf!!

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

I'm just saying one thing, different cultures etc in England are allowed to celebrate their holy festivals so we should be allowed to do the same.

 

End of, close thread.

 

Ah, reminds me, I was going to mention this point too. Like Chinese new year, ok, so not a religion as such, but its embraced over here. The only complaints which are made about it are from old bid's moaning about the fireworks.

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Oh, and one that does get me is when people find the Union Jack offensive.....wtf!!

 

Too much blue in it for my liking...

[JohnnyFartPants]

I'm just saying one thing, different cultures etc in England are allowed to celebrate their holy festivals so we should be allowed to do the same.

 

End of, close thread.

 

Totally agree, and if what Shane is saying is true, then I think it is disgusting. However, I expect it isn't true. Not saying that on this occasion Shane is lying, like he did on that thread to justify an offensive photo of someone he pretended to work with, as I expect it is one of those urban myths that go around every year designed to kick up commotion.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Oh, and one that does get me is when people find the Union Jack offensive.....wtf!!

 

Anyone that finds the Union Jack offensive is a bit dim in my eyes. It is too narrow a view to not be able to segregate the decent and proper people of Britain from their flag and the numpty racist idiots that think the Union Jack is their symbol.

[scott_saints]

Totally agree, and if what Shane is saying is true, then I think it is disgusting. However, I expect it isn't true. Not saying that on this occasion Shane is lying, like he did on that thread to justify an offensive photo of someone he pretended to work with, as I expect it is one of those urban myths that go around every year designed to kick up commotion.

It isn't true, but apparently it was mentioned. It happened in a couple of other shopping centres though I believe.

 

I get p155ed off when people moan about "PC gone mad" all the time, but examples like this (union jack/xmas trees not allowed etc) do get my goat.

[JohnnyFartPants]

023 8033 6828

 

The internet is an amazing tool of the modern era. News that you are talking about would surely be somewhere other than in just a phone number.

[JohnnyFartPants]

It isn't true, but apparently it was mentioned. It happened in a couple of other shopping centres though I believe.

 

I get p155ed off when people moan about "PC gone mad" all the time, but examples like this (union jack/xmas trees not allowed etc) do get my goat.

 

Not sure I fully understand your stance. Do you get ****ed off because of the boredom factor and lack of truth in the stories or because if they are true they are so wrong?

[JohnnyFartPants]

Probably but I have better things to do like going through porn to choose the websites to block

 

So why start a thread about something which you later state as fact, yet are not willing to then back it up.

 

What is your/the point?

 

I see you didn't start the thread, so I take that bit back.

Edited 11 November, 2008 by JohnnyFartPants

[Master Bates]

We all singing from the same hymn book?

[JohnnyFartPants]

We all singing from the same hymn book?

 

It's a load of sheet anyway, them hymns.

[Robsk II]

I think most people think it's stupid not to allow christmas trees, myself included. Very few people even consider this kind of thing ass sensible or politically correct. The tree has pretty little to do with christian symbols anyway, and I, not being religious in the least, am glad. So why anyone else would ever get offended (who in truth does?) I don't see.

[bridge too far]

I was delighted to attend a Divali lunch in Leicester a couple of weeks ago with a Hindu friend. The lunch was enjoyed by people from all religions (and, like me, from none).

 

My Hindu friend will equally enjoy Christmas with his family.

 

I know of no-one from any culture or religion living in this country who would make a fuss about Christmas and I certainly wouldn't make a fuss about Divali or Ramadan or Yom Kippur, Hanukkah etc. etc.

 

Why can't we all just live and let live?

[JohnnyFartPants]

Becuase like I jsut said, I cannot be bothered

 

Do you know what debate is? You say something, it then gets answered or replied to. Don't bother saying anything, especially if you state it as "fact" if you are not willing to then support it should someone disagree. It makes you look a bit of a one trick pony attention seeking @rsewipe, IMHO.

[scott_saints]

I'm a PC

 

(Anyone else find that advert annoying?)

[JohnnyFartPants]

I'm a PC

 

(Anyone else find that advert annoying?)

 

Yes. It really annoys me.

[Master Bates]

Can't remember the film but you lot have reminded of a song a dog sings that goes something like

 

"I wouldn't do it on a christmas tree,

Oh what would santa think of me,

I wouldn't do it on a christmas tree........."

 

Yeah anyways.

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Why can't we all just live and let live?

 

IMO its cheap point scoring. Companies trying to show themselves to being ethnically diverse, however, by doing something like banning xmas tree's, they are infact making themselves out to be fools. The non-Christians (majority of) would not be bothered if there were a xmas tree there or not, so I highly doubt they would decide to shop there, just because of this decision which has been made.

 

If anything, then I would imagine, given the choice, non-Christians would chose for it to not change. As Im sure there are a few people out there which will blame this on them, rather than the turd at the top of the company who decided this would be a great way to show how ethnically diverse the company is.

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Can't remember the film but you lot have reminded of a song a dog sings that goes something like

 

"I wouldn't do it on a christmas tree,

Oh what would santa think of me,

I wouldn't do it on a christmas tree........."

 

Yeah anyways.

 

Debbie does Dallas?

[Master Bates]

Why can't we all just live and let live?

 

If the Itchen Bridge and Northam Bridge were allowed to celebrate their holy festivals whilst you and the Cobden Bridge were not allowed, it would be different.

[miserableoldgit]

Another can of worms perhaps??

 

Australia Muslims who want to live under Islamic Shariat law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament.

"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Shariat law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Shariat law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said. Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country.

Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should clear off. "Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

 

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians." "However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia "

"However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand."

"This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.

If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture." "We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us." "If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from.By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'." "If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

[bridge too far]

If the Itchen Bridge and Northam Bridge were allowed to celebrate their holy festivals whilst you and the Cobden Bridge were not allowed, it would be different.

 

I see what you did there - you clever, clever boy

 

Such actions could lead to Bridges over Troubled Waters.

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Ill get slated for it, but fair f*cking play to the Aussie bloke who said that. I completely agree with it. I have nothing against other cultures and welcome them, but what gets my goat is when other cultures start complaining about the main culture of the country they chose to move to.

 

Like all the extremist Muslims who preach about how the Western Civilization is wrong, yet they live in London

[Pancake]

I see what you did there - you clever, clever boy

 

Such actions could lead to Bridges over Troubled Waters.

 

All these puns are beginning to wayne now...

[bridge too far]

Ill get slated for it, but fair f*cking play to the Aussie bloke who said that. I completely agree with it. I have nothing against other cultures and welcome them, but what gets my goat is when other cultures start complaining about the main culture of the country they chose to move to.

 

Like all the extremist Muslims who preach about how the Western Civilization is wrong, yet they live in London

 

Like some ex-pats who have left the UK because of the (perceived) threat to the British culture and language?

 

The self same ex-pats who refuse to learn the indigenous language and customs and hi-jack local festivals (as has happened in a small village near Alicante)?

 

And it's a bit rich coming from a 'white' Australian. He needs to remember what the settlers did to the native population of Australia in the past.

Edited 11 November, 2008 by bridge too far
Afterthought about Australia

[Master Bates]

I see what you did there - you clever, clever boy

 

Such actions could lead to Bridges over Troubled Waters.

 

.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Like some ex-pats who have left the UK because of the (perceived) threat to the British culture and language?

 

The self same ex-pats who refuse to learn the indigenous language and customs and hi-jack local festivals (as has happened in a small village near Alicante)?

 

And it's a bit rich coming from a 'white' Australian. He needs to remember what the settlers did to the native population of Australia in the past.

 

That's a cop out answer if you ask me. Almost every single "race" of people could be guilty of some wrong doing if you trace things back far enough. What is the solution in this instance? Should he acknowledge that they too made mistakes in the passed so allow extreme Muslim views and laws to go by without any mention?

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Like some ex-pats who have left the UK because of the (perceived) threat to the British culture and language?

 

The self same ex-pats who refuse to learn the indigenous language and customs and hi-jack local festivals (as has happened in a small village near Alicante)?

 

And it's a bit rich coming from a 'white' Australian. He needs to remember what the settlers did to the native population of Australia in the past.

 

I completely agree with that part too BTF. If I decided to go and live my days out in China or another country which spoke another language, I would certainly learn the language before I went out there. I would expect to live within their culture, even if I had my own different beliefs.

 

I detest the idea of ex-pats who have moved to foreign shores because they like sun bathing and drinking sangrea (sp) on the side of the pool. Just makes me think Chavvy wannabee's TBH. They have only done it so they can live well off in another country as they were not so well off over here!

[bridge too far]

I completely agree with that part too BTF. If I decided to go and live my days out in China or another country which spoke another language, I would certainly learn the language before I went out there. I would expect to live within their culture, even if I had my own different beliefs.

 

I would learn the language and customs too. However, I would probably seek out people of the same nationality as me, to keep alive my own traditions, and, if I had a particular religion, I would probably want to try to establish a place of worship in my new home.

 

I detest the idea of ex-pats who have moved to foreign shores because they like sun bathing and drinking sangrea (sp) on the side of the pool. Just makes me think Chavvy wannabee's TBH. They have only done it so they can live well off in another country as they were not so well off over here!

 

Have to disagree with you here though. I have friends who have moved abroad because they prefer the climate and way of life in Spain / France. They're not 'Chavy wannabees', far from it. And they still have property in the UK, to maintain their ties with the UK.

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Have to disagree with you here though. I have friends who have moved abroad because they prefer the climate and way of life in Spain / France. They're not 'Chavy wannabees', far from it. And they still have property in the UK, to maintain their ties with the UK.

 

Have they learnt the language though and moved not only to benefit from the climate but also take in a different culture?

[bridge too far]

Have they learnt the language though and moved not only to benefit from the climate but also take in a different culture?

 

Yes, they have learnt the language.

 

We have friends who live in France now and, like us, they just love the French way of life and had holidayed (is that a word???) in France for years before they moved there. We'd do the same if we could afford it

 

Our friends who live in Spain have also taken very early retirement but they do live in an ex-pat enclave and they do tend to use other ex-pats to do things like cleaning their pool, gardening, hairdressing. They do speak Spanish but, although we love visiting them, we don't really feel that we're 'abroad'

[Pip87]

This is not a cue to open up a can of them there worms, but going on from the Lounge's PC thread, I thought we could have our own TMS one.

 

What things have been rid/changed due to the PC brigade, which you feel should have been left alone?

 

I am not sure if these are rumours or indeed true, so please dont jump on them, acusing me of reading the Daily Mail too much.

 

Bar bar black sheep: apparently this has now been changed to bar bar white sheep? Anyone with kids able to confirm this?

 

Black boards, now being called chalk boards, or such? Again, Im sure a teacher or parent could confirm this?

 

Any others?

 

I can confirm the baa baa black sheep one. We got very funny looks from the kids at work the day we had to say to them we can only sing baa baa rainbow sheep now. The kids informed us it made no sense... if young children with learning disabilities are smart enough to know it's a stupid idea why are we forced to do it! :mad: I still sing baa baa black sheep at work because i work with a family in their home so i can get away with it because the family have asked me to sing it

 

I don't know about the boards though. But i'm pretty sure most schools have white boards instead now anyway?

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Yes, they have learnt the language.

 

We have friends who live in France now and, like us, they just love the French way of life and had holidayed (is that a word???) in France for years before they moved there. We'd do the same if we could afford it

 

Our friends who live in Spain have also taken very early retirement but they do live in an ex-pat enclave and they do tend to use other ex-pats to do things like cleaning their pool, gardening, hairdressing. They do speak Spanish but, although we love visiting them, we don't really feel that we're 'abroad'

 

Then your friends do not fall into the catagory of what I would call 'Chavvy wannabee's'. Im talking about the Del Boy's and Rodney Trotters with the orange wives whose knowledge of foreign vocab goes as far as increasing their volume and adding an 'o' at the end of every word!

[JohnnyFartPants]

I am

 

=D>

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

I am

 

Are they really high end cat/dog food or just expensive tripe?

 

Discuss

[Guest Hacienda]

Oh, and one that does get me is when people find the Union Jack offensive.....wtf!!

 

I find people calling it the Union Jack offensive.

[JohnnyFartPants]

I've always admited im an attention seeking whore. It's "lol" watchin you lot getting wound up all the time.

 

Simple things, and all that.

 

There was me thinking you were just a thick cu nt that got baffled very easily, yet all along it was part of the Shane master plan. I feel so foolish now!! No, really I do!!

[Ponty]

I find people calling it the Union Jack offensive.

 

Giving the Union Flag the misnomer of "Union Jack", when it's not flying onboard a ship/vessel, is not really up there with some of the offensive things in this world like racism, violence and abuse though is it?

[dubai_phil]

West Quay not putting up xmas tree incase it offends muslims FFS.

 

Maybe the muslims should take down their buildings and weird muslim symbols as that offends me but noooo!!

 

You know what this is CRIMINALLY INSANE....

 

Here we are in a Muslim country and guess what?

 

Yep, all the main shopping malls have Christmas Decorations, Trees and EVEN FATHER CHRISTMAS FFS.

 

The people here SHARE each other's "special days".

 

Those rules are made up by morons who have NEVER actually travelled to see 1) how stupid the world oustide the UK thinks they are and 2) to see how Muslims actually share Christmas and we "infidels" share Eid.

 

utter botox

[dubai_phil]

Ill get slated for it, but fair f*cking play to the Aussie bloke who said that. I completely agree with it. I have nothing against other cultures and welcome them, but what gets my goat is when other cultures start complaining about the main culture of the country they chose to move to.

 

Like all the extremist Muslims who preach about how the Western Civilization is wrong, yet they live in London

 

Couple of points that get forgotten.

1) When you come here to Muslim land - you are a guest, they have their rules, you follow them and each group RESPECTS the other. You want it to be like UK - fine, off you go

2) The extremists are people that extreme countries like Saudi Arabi and Yemen deemed to be TOO radical and who were kicked out.

Of course they applied for asylum and welfare benefits in...... Strange in a PC way, the fact that UK houses these people causes MORE offence to true Muslims than could ever be offended if they were simply kicked out and treated like the preachers of hatred they are.

One radical religious Saudi paper suggested somethinlg along the lines that as these "types" advocate a return to the Stone Age with the clerics as the ruling class perhaps the UK could give them some spare mud huts on a remote Island and let them get on with it

[Ludwig]

You know what this is CRIMINALLY INSANE....

 

Here we are in a Muslim country and guess what?

 

Yep, all the main shopping malls have Christmas Decorations, Trees and EVEN FATHER CHRISTMAS FFS.

 

The people here SHARE each other's "special days".

 

Those rules are made up by morons who have NEVER actually travelled to see 1) how stupid the world oustide the UK thinks they are and 2) to see how Muslims actually share Christmas and we "infidels" share Eid.

 

utter botox

 

yeah shane, you stupid *****, read this