Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 plymouth have the potential to be much much much bigger than saints if we are talking catchment areas plymouth for the CL in 10 years..? chances..? Yep, add Carlisle to that list as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Three chances of playing CL in five years IMO. 1. Someone (liebherrs or another billionaire who buys us) invests stupid amounts into the club. 2. We manage to find a Chinese and/or a Indian superstar to play for us, merchandise then goes through the roof and we use that money to invest further in the team. 3. We get very lucky and have some exceptional bargains in the transfer market, alot of lucky games throughout the season and maybe a few very good youngsters come good. All these options are very unlikely especially options 1 and 2. What is more likely is NC has a plan to make us better but within our financial means, so with a little bit of luck a top 10 finish and a decent cup run with the dream that if we had a perfect season a top 4 finish might happen (option3). Your geography isn't very good, is it? Apart from the fact that Nottingham has two clubs vying for fans' support, it is only 15 miles away from Derby, so citing Nottingham as an example of a club with a better catchment area than ours doesn't really stack up unless Derby emulate the Skates, who with luck will probably cease to exist soon. Oh option 4 I'd not thought of.....Pompey goes bust, fans from the catchment areas of Pompey start coming to St Mary's giving us a much bigger fan base, stadium and merchandise goes up etc. again very unlikely and not a nice thought either having a load of ex skates supporting us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Corporate Advertising & promotions Any ideas for st Mary's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 plymouth have the potential to be much much much bigger than saints if we are talking catchment areas plymouth for the CL in 10 years..? chances..? Always surprised me why they havent done better over the years. Same with Bristol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Always surprised me why the havent done better over the years. Same with Bristol. you think plymouth can make CL in 10 years..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 you think plymouth can make CL in 10 years..? no. I reckon they should do better than league 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 no. I reckon they should do better than league 2. so why can't plymouth make CL yet it is not beyond saints to do so... about the same likelyhood imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Always surprised me why they havent done better over the years. Same with Bristol. Football is not the number one sport in those areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South City Si Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Champions league is a ridiculous idea and would bankrupt trying. Even with the amount of money compared to even a few years ago we would do a Leeds...but worse! But we do, I believe have the potential to greatly expand our fanbase. For me 2 thirds of Hampsire should be ours, if you then include Christchurch, B'mouth, Poole, Salisbury to the West and potentially sneaking some support from West Sussex that is a large catchement area. The trouble is convincing 'neutral' or plastic Mancs to come watch us is a huge ask when they can watch the 'top 4' every week on Sky or ESPN. Also fans in Basingstoke area may well go to reading instead as nearer. First thing is to advertise all round Hampshire for games & STs so when they see the posters/adverts they associate Saints with th their area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Football is not the number one sport in those areas. actually, it is HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 so why can't plymouth make CL yet it is not beyond saints to do so... about the same likelyhood imo Do you not read posts or just not comprehend them? My points have been that success now is almost exclusively down to have the largest total resources - whether they are gained from an owners munificence, attendances, tv income or whatever. If the Liebherrs put £1bn in to Saints in the next 5 years we will probably make CL just as Man City have done. If they put nothing additional in we won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Do you not read posts or just not comprehend them? My points have been that success now is almost exclusively down to have the largest total resources - whether they are gained from an owners munificence, attendances, tv income or whatever. If the Liebherrs put £1bn in to Saints in the next 5 years we will probably make CL just as Man City have done. If they put nothing additional in we won't. I agree...just throwing it out there...(not aimed at you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Corporate Advertising & promotions You might want to think about a career change for the next few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 actually, it is HTH Ok but other sports are more promenant than in southampton thus taking away support. Bristol is a huge city and I've aways thought of it as a rugby town. Southampton rugby club? Is there one? Plymouth would have rugby and cricket? Cricket in Southampton? Hampshire cricket serves millions in Hampshire not just Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Ok but other sports are more promenant than in southampton thus taking away support. Bristol is a huge city and I've aways thought of it as a rugby town. Southampton rugby club? Is there one? Plymouth would have rugby and cricket? Cricket in Southampton? Hampshire cricket serves millions in Hampshire not just Southampton. only because the football teams are rubbish...I bet is saints were traditional lower league outfits, we would not get 25k+ every week despite (now) being one of the worst teams in the football league, argyle get more than Plymouth Albion (rugby), plymouth Raiders and Plymouth speedway combined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Ok but other sports are more promenant than in southampton thus taking away support. Bristol is a huge city and I've aways thought of it as a rugby town. Southampton rugby club? Is there one? Plymouth would have rugby and cricket? Cricket in Southampton? Hampshire cricket serves millions in Hampshire not just Southampton. What on earth are you going on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 What on earth are you going on about? he has no idea as I live about 5 min walk from Plymouth ALbion rudy ground - The Brickfields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 he has no idea as I live about 5 min walk from Plymouth ALbion rudy ground - The Brickfields He seems to be arguing with himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 he has no idea as I live about 5 min walk from Plymouth ALbion rudy ground - The Brickfields Ummm that's my point? Plymouth has a rugby club with stadium! Not all fans would go to both football and rugby. How many would choose to watch Southampton rugby instead of saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Ummm that's my point? Plymouth has a rugby club with stadium! Not all fans would go to both football and rugby. How many would choose to watch Southampton rugby instead of saints. yes they do....ffs the clubs work together and rarely play of the same day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Ummm that's my point? Plymouth has a rugby club with stadium! Not all fans would go to both football and rugby. How many would choose to watch Southampton rugby instead of saints. Does the 2001 in your username reflect the year you were born? Would explain a lot if so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 yes they do....ffs the clubs work together and rarely play of the same day. I think you are failing to understand that towns that largely follow more than one sport generally do not have as large a fan base than towns that only have one promenant sport. I don't think I can make it any clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Bristol is a great example of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 (edited) I think you are failing to understand that towns that largely follow more than one sport generally do not have as large a fan base than towns that only have one promenant sport. I don't think I can make it any clearer. the catchment area is massive...absolutely massive.. you made it clear..I live here and you are wrong so, how come crickets serves millions in hampshire (is there "millions in hampshire) but in plymouth, their sports are not considered to serve the catchment area? Edited 8 May, 2012 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Ok but other sports are more promenant than in southampton thus taking away support. Bristol is a huge city and I've aways thought of it as a rugby town. Southampton rugby club? Is there one? Plymouth would have rugby and cricket? Cricket in Southampton? Hampshire cricket serves millions in Hampshire not just Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 the catchment area is massive...absolutely massive.. you made it clear..I live here and you are wrong If its so massive why aren't Plymouth selling out a 40k stadium week in week out. It can't be that the football club has just been really unlucky so are rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 If its so massive why aren't Plymouth selling out a 40k stadium week in week out. It can't be that the football club has just been really unlucky so are rubbish. the same reason as saints would not if sat around 87th in the football pyramid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 What a lot of people on here seem to do be doing is saying 'this is the football landscape' QED we cannot be a top four club... But if anything the past ten years have told us it is that the Status Quo simply does not exist any more anywhere. The world isn't like that. Rover has gone. New Labour has gone. The desktop computer has come and gone. When did you last buy a newspaper? Who supplies your digital television now... how easy is it to Skype your buddies in Beijing? Two standout predictions I have been privvy to in in the last 20 years... "That will never catch on...", my current business partner on being shown by then Vodafone Chairman Gerry Whent something called 'SMS'... "There will never be a day when I need television on my computer, I have a television..." yours truly in discussion with someone at Microsoft... The world is moving on, at pace. Football will move on at pace. Christ I can remember going to Old Trafford in the league cup and winning in front of a stadium one third full! Media rights and digital management, Chinese and Indian exposure will shift the landscape completely - yes in favour of the bigger clubs first (they have a global fan-base already) but can you imagine what impact a team playing free-flowing, pass and move football might have, over time, if it can be at least consistent and moderately successful? I bet there's a hell of a lot more Indians have heard of Swansea City now... sustainability is the key! And if there is anything our Chairman will love, it is to upset the football apple-cart. I'm going to love watching him try! My god this is up there with a "they said man will never walk on the moon" post. Saints can be a champions league club because people use iPads now instead of of desk tops and Rover went bust. With logic like that That's me won over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 the same reason as saints would not if sat around 87th in the football pyramid And when they were in the championship? I'm sure if they made it to the prem people would come but they haven't got the hard core fan base like you would get if football was the only major sport in the city. The hard core support you need to get you out of the lower leagues. I bet saints would have better support if we were 87th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 And when they were in the championship? I'm sure if they made it to the prem people would come but they haven't got the hard core fan base like you would get if football was the only major sport in the city. The hard core support you need to get you out of the lower leagues. I bet saints would have better support if we were 87th. they sold out quite regularly when in the NPC...it was quite hard to get tickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Plymouth being a ****hole that's miles from anywhere might have something to do with them not attracting serious investment. Anyone (not just footballers) with any ambition leaves the place as soon as they can. It's why there are more Argyle fans in London than there are in Plymouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 they sold out quite regularly when in the NPC...it was quite hard to get tickets I've no doubt about that and any club sells out when successful but the hardcore fans are those who still go when things are bad. Look at man city when they where L1. Plymouth have massive potential and would get massive support if successful in the prem but I really do think that it has a relative small number of hard core fans that go regardless. This I believe is to do with its a city with other promenant sports. If I'm wrong then I really don't know why Plymouth haven't been more successful. Can you explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Plymouth being a ****hole that's miles from anywhere might have something to do with them not attracting serious investment. Anyone (not just footballers) with any ambition leaves the place as soon as they can. It's why there are more Argyle fans in London than there are in Plymouth. You've obviously never been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 all these naysayers if u look at the main goal, which is a premiership side with 50% youth intake. if we had all the players we'd sold in the last 7 years we wud be mid table easily, a squad with bale, Walcott, aoc, surman, baird, best. and u cud really cash in with £20m+ on some of them. there's been a big change at the top in the last few years, just look at Newcastle and how far they've come in 4-5 years, or the money Liverpool have spent for a league cup. man utd, Liverpool and arsenal capitalised when the money flooded in from sky in the early 90s, but the new money coming in from sugar daddys has levelled the playing surface, slightly. and any arguments about how unprofitable city are are pointless. utd would have finished £40m in debt the year the sold ronaldo because of the interest they are paying. with a no debt, a 1st class academy, a large fanbase, a new stadium and our Asian income is taking off I dont see why in 5 years we can't be pushing for CL football. we are in a far better position before we got relegated, when we did we were the only premiership team not to have someone in the football rich list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Does the 2001 in your username reflect the year you were born? Would explain a lot if so... Do you want to argue with anything I said or do you just go around seeing you you can abuse? Hardly charming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Do you want to argue with anything I said or do you just go around seeing you you can abuse? Hardly charming I was merely asking for you to rephrase one of your questions so that it actually made sense. Then I'd be happy to engage in a debate with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 all these naysayers if u look at the main goal, which is a premiership side with 50% youth intake. if we had all the players we'd sold in the last 7 years we wud be mid table easily, a squad with bale, Walcott, aoc, surman, baird, best. and u cud really cash in with £20m+ on some of them. there's been a big change at the top in the last few years, just look at Newcastle and how far they've come in 4-5 years, or the money Liverpool have spent for a league cup. man utd, Liverpool and arsenal capitalised when the money flooded in from sky in the early 90s, but the new money coming in from sugar daddys has levelled the playing surface, slightly. and any arguments about how unprofitable city are are pointless. utd would have finished £40m in debt the year the sold ronaldo because of the interest they are paying. with a no debt, a 1st class academy, a large fanbase, a new stadium and our Asian income is taking off I dont see why in 5 years we can't be pushing for CL football. we are in a far better position before we got relegated, when we did we were the only premiership team not to have someone in the football rich list. What Asian income? If you're talking about a few Japanese people buying our shirts because of Chun, then that's a relative dip in the pacific ocean.... And we don't have much debt, but to get CL football within 5 years we will need to rack up an extraordinary amount of debt. That doesn't fit in with the sustainable model that Cortese is pushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 This is, I'm afraid, simply bol loc ks. You do realise that, say, Guildford, is chock full of Man United fans, none of which give two sh i ts about their team being hundreds of miles away. Our catchment area is no better than any other club. I'm sorry but this argument is flawed. My younger brother is a saints fan, they are his number 1 club and he has supported them since we were nippers and went on the saints football courses for kids over the summer. Now, him and his mate (saints season ticket holder) went to watch guildford's last game of the season where they won their local league, whatever that is. They are a fair few of them who do this. I am a saints fan (obviously) and come down from Bristol to watch as many games as possible, including coventry (the game my bro missed to watched Guildford). So to argue that Guildford is full to the brim Man United fans who dwarf all other teams is craziness. I honestly think I know more saints, pompey and brigton fans from guildford than manchester and Arsenal combined. At university in southampton I would say the same, and at work in Bristol, 300+ people, there is 2 man utd fans in the office, and more reading... So please, I get that you are comenting on the vast number of bla bla bla fans spread around the country who never actaully go to their stadiums, but in southampton there are 2 universitys. Do you know how many bums on seats that contributes with 25% off tickets? P.S. the answer is a **** load. And then southampton has a population of what? 200,000 + then their is the catchment area which is literally huge, and guessing by the que through millbrook at about 1-2 hours before kick off, a **** load come in from Romsey, salisbury and the forest. Look at Newcastle and sunderland, before they increased the capacities to what they are now they were no different to us. We are in a richer part of the country so people can afford tickets. There is lierally no competition now except Brighton who are 2.5hours away (more with traffic on a saturday). And we have higher average attendances in league 1 than several premier league teams. It is not about what was won 50 years ago, it is about now. We have momentum, we have talent, and we are financially secure. Our wage structure will pale in comparison to most clubs and be equal to the likes or Norwich and Wigan, but our gate attendances and match day income will be higher, especially since Norwich have 22,000 season tickets and the rest go to away fans (massive discount on prices). Then we have our youth set up, Shaw, ward-prowse and others. We have a golden opportunity, we will get between 15th and 10th next year, probably the same again the year after, and then what..... Do you really think that with Nicola we won't progress? That is lunacy. This is our time, it will be like Lawrie Mac again, the future wallace brothers and Shearer are 5 years away and this time , we will actually win things!! Get ready you dellsizedbrainers! THE SAINTS ARE GOING TO THE TOP!!!!! :smug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I was merely asking for you to rephrase one of your questions so that it actually made sense. Then I'd be happy to engage in a debate with you. Southampton - a football town, other sports have a very small following therefore most hardcore sport fans go to SMS Plymouth/ Bristol - football towns but also have a high following of rugby therefore loses some of its hardcore fans to those sports. Simple enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Going round in circles.... so; 1. Is there anything wrong with a business or sport aiming to be the very best? ... NO IMHO it should be encouraged surely? 2. Is there anything wrong with discussing/identifying the restrictions to being the very best? No - most are obviously financial, but others such fan abse and growth potential can be overlooked 3. Is there anything wrong in discussing how such restrictions could be overcome? No - dont think anyone believes its a simple matter of money either, but what is more interesting is considering whether there are alternatives to the currently accepted norm and status quo that could see growth and improvemnets happen, despite the odds being against it? 4. Is there anything wrong in trying to speculate on What NC is planning fo the next 5 years? No - its off season and no football to discuss until the Euros - so its intreging as NC has hinted he wants success so what does he relaly mean by that and how will it be acheived are interesting questions as they effect the club? NC does not strike me as the sort of bloke taht will be happy in the bottom half each each - I dont think he does mediocrity - so will be interseting to see whether he is naive or has a plan we aint considered. 5. But what about all thsoe who suggest we should be in the CL within 5 years? The OP posed a hypothetical question as to whether such a high ambition would be part of the next 5-year plan - maybe a little naivly, but surely no harm in speculating and disecting what might be necessary to achieve that if money was not the only issue. 6. Are they not just unrealistic, naive or stupid? Well no one has said we would be in the CL in 5 years - merely discussing what it would take hypothetically and as we seem to agree that aiming high is the best approach its interesting to see what alternatives there might be to achieving success without 500mil cash injected. 7. So its all a big fight over nothing then? Yep, seem some folk simply dont wont other fans discussing something because they consider it laughable and embarassing that some fans want to discuss it... which is a bit pathetic really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Southampton - a football town, other sports have a very small following therefore most hardcore sport fans go to SMS Plymouth/ Bristol - football towns but also have a high following of rugby therefore loses some of its hardcore fans to those sports. Simple enough? but they don't in plymouth ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Southampton - a football town, other sports have a very small following therefore most hardcore sport fans go to SMS Plymouth/ Bristol - football towns but also have a high following of rugby therefore loses some of its hardcore fans to those sports. Simple enough? Very simple, shame you couldn't have just phrased it that way originally. What kind of crowds does Plymouth's rugby team get? I wasn't even aware they had a rugby team. Imagine their crowds are fairly small and do little to affect Plymouth FC's crowds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Your geography isn't very good, is it? Apart from the fact that Nottingham has two clubs vying for fans' support, it is only 15 miles away from Derby, so citing Nottingham as an example of a club with a better catchment area than ours doesn't really stack up unless Derby emulate the Skates, who with luck will probably cease to exist soon. My geography is better than your grasp on reality. I live in the East Mids so well aware who is near who and it is utterly irrelevent. If it was Forest in the top four their potential base of fans - actual PEOPLE not swathes of forest - would be easily as big as Saints. Regardless of Derby or Notts County, or Notts Cricket Club or Nottingham Panthers Ice Hockey team. Won't matter a jot. This super mega sized catchment that Saints have is a complete work of fiction perpetuated by spanners like you. Sent from my GT-I9100P using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 but they don't in plymouth ffs I know you live there and I bow to your local knowledge but I live in Southampton, never played cricket or rugby competively so when it comes to sport I support Saints as i love football though I am a plastic England cricket and rugby fan. How many saints fans do not go to every match even now? Why not, family commitments, money etc. How many might not go as much if they were brought up with local rugby and had a good rugby team to support as well. Surely going to rugby one week and football the next would give more of a reason not to go due to family commitments, money etc. I'm actually not trying to argue with you but this it what I've always thought about city's like Bristol, Plymouth, Wigan etc so if I'm wrong I'd like to know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Going round in circles.... so; 1. Is there anything wrong with a business or sport aiming to be the very best? ... NO IMHO it should be encouraged surely? 2. Is there anything wrong with discussing/identifying the restrictions to being the very best? No - most are obviously financial, but others such fan abse and growth potential can be overlooked 3. Is there anything wrong in discussing how such restrictions could be overcome? No - dont think anyone believes its a simple matter of money either, but what is more interesting is considering whether there are alternatives to the currently accepted norm and status quo that could see growth and improvemnets happen, despite the odds being against it? 4. Is there anything wrong in trying to speculate on What NC is planning fo the next 5 years? No - its off season and no football to discuss until the Euros - so its intreging as NC has hinted he wants success so what does he relaly mean by that and how will it be acheived are interesting questions as they effect the club? NC does not strike me as the sort of bloke taht will be happy in the bottom half each each - I dont think he does mediocrity - so will be interseting to see whether he is naive or has a plan we aint considered. 5. But what about all thsoe who suggest we should be in the CL within 5 years? The OP posed a hypothetical question as to whether such a high ambition would be part of the next 5-year plan - maybe a little naivly, but surely no harm in speculating and disecting what might be necessary to achieve that if money was not the only issue. 6. Are they not just unrealistic, naive or stupid? Well no one has said we would be in the CL in 5 years - merely discussing what it would take hypothetically and as we seem to agree that aiming high is the best approach its interesting to see what alternatives there might be to achieving success without 500mil cash injected. 7. So its all a big fight over nothing then? Yep, seem some folk simply dont wont other fans discussing something because they consider it laughable and embarassing that some fans want to discuss it... which is a bit pathetic really No. What happened was some have suggested that Champions League football should be part of our 5 year plan. Were rightly laughed at by others. The "Champions League" fans (lets call them that), then went off to look even more ridiculous comparing us to Newcastle, Man City, Arsenal and talking about how much money we'll make on package trips from the far east It has been a very entertaining thread though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 No. What happened was some have suggested that Champions League football should be part of our 5 year plan. Were rightly laughed at by others. The "Champions League" fans (lets call them that), then went off to look even more ridiculous comparing us to Newcastle, Man City, Arsenal and talking about how much money we'll make on package trips from the far east It has been a very entertaining thread though. I also find it interesting that most people who seem to think we can make the Champions League are the same people that think fancy dress is acceptable at football. It would appear that they're not just content with looking like idiots, they also have to sound like one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Very simple, shame you couldn't have just phrased it that way originally. What kind of crowds does Plymouth's rugby team get? I wasn't even aware they had a rugby team. Imagine their crowds are fairly small and do little to affect Plymouth FC's crowds. I'm talking about the hardcore rugby fans at Plymouth who go to games through thick and thin. If rugby was not in those towns they wouldl be at the football even when in the lower leagues. It is these type of fans that get you out of trouble when in the lower leagues. I'm also talking about the fans that were brought up with, played rugby and have grown to love the game as we have with football. They might not have as much interest in paying to watch football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I'm talking about the hardcore rugby fans at Plymouth who go to games through thick and thin. If rugby was not in those towns they wouldl be at the football even when in the lower leagues. It is these type of fans that get you out of trouble when in the lower leagues. I'm also talking about the fans that were brought up with, played rugby and have grown to love the game as we have with football. They might not have as much interest in paying to watch football. And I'm saying they must be fairly minimal in their numbers? I'm not sure on the crowds their rugby team get's but I'd bet it's not enough to significantly impact on their crowds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 What a lot of people on here seem to do be doing is saying 'this is the football landscape' QED we cannot be a top four club... But if anything the past ten years have told us it is that the Status Quo simply does not exist any more anywhere. The world isn't like that. Rover has gone. New Labour has gone. The desktop computer has come and gone. When did you last buy a newspaper? Who supplies your digital television now... how easy is it to Skype your buddies in Beijing? Two standout predictions I have been privvy to in in the last 20 years... "That will never catch on...", my current business partner on being shown by then Vodafone Chairman Gerry Whent something called 'SMS'... "There will never be a day when I need television on my computer, I have a television..." yours truly in discussion with someone at Microsoft... The world is moving on, at pace. Football will move on at pace. Christ I can remember going to Old Trafford in the league cup and winning in front of a stadium one third full! Media rights and digital management, Chinese and Indian exposure will shift the landscape completely - yes in favour of the bigger clubs first (they have a global fan-base already) but can you imagine what impact a team playing free-flowing, pass and move football might have, over time, if it can be at least consistent and moderately successful? I bet there's a hell of a lot more Indians have heard of Swansea City now... sustainability is the key! And if there is anything our Chairman will love, it is to upset the football apple-cart. I'm going to love watching him try! Sounds as if you could have been our ML if you had taken different decisions!!! Not sure about Status Quo though. Dont think they would ever have made you rich;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 You could travel from anywhere and guarantee entry merely by turning up early enough (as many did, I used to get to the Milton End with my old man a good 2hrs before KO some times). Sorry but what you have said is complete rubbish! You've actually just explained why we didn't always sell out.. Do you think everybody wanted to turn up two hours before kick off with the danger still of not getting in and having travelled a bit of a way (from the Thames valley as happened to me and my Dad)? You can see why people didn't risk it. I managed to get a season ticket when I moved to the area and the ground became all ticket, but it was a bit of a struggle and lots of people didn't bother. I sometimes speculate there must be a reason Cortese didn't push season tickets too much last season - and it did seem noticeable - and that was he wanted to maintain interest amongst more than just season ticket holders. If anybody can come up with any alternative - greater income from individual sales, perhaps - then I'm willing to consider them. It seemed strange at the time. It would be interesting to know how many people are on the club's database and how many different customers there were, and this is the sort of thing they will be considering when they make their decisions. I went to quite a few games with tickets a friend got for me so perhaps they should add mark my customer number as 'active'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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