Turkish Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 They couldn't get into the stadium. Next. more bollix. THe Dell had a capacity of 25k in the early 80's. Even in our best ever season 83/84 there were plenty of empty seats/terrace spots. Here are our attendance records. http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/soto.htm Oh dear, not going very well is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 OK so you are saying Year One Stay Up. year Two or more Consolidate, then push on for a cup run or an outside chance of Europe. Sorry, but to me that sounds like a PLAN. This whole argument has become so polarised (again) and that is NOT what it is about. Those who say we are not fit to consider anything but survival will be the first to moan when an Academy Graduate of star quality leaves. So you people are advocating continuous stagnation for the next decade? You say you want to improve each season. Well, how many seasons do you expect us to keep improving? We go up we improve every year for 20 years where would we end up? Man Utd sure have not improved this year, nor (so far) have Chelsea. But what on earth is wrong with having a plan to keep improving? To have a goal? Have NONE of you listened to a Nige interview all season? We want to be the best we can be? You simply do NOT do that by saying we just want to be mediocre, we want everything to stay the same, we don't want any more people coming to St Mary's. The 55,000 fans and many more who couldn't get tickets for the JPT weren't Saints fans. Dear new version of Gareth/Alex/Theo, please sign this new contract because next year we will be the same as last year. Wow, what dull lives it must be always hoping to only be the same each year. NOBODY is saying WE WILL BE IN THE CL IN 5 YEARS. What everybody is saying is that NC is a clever Businessman and (unlike the Venky's) is asking "What do we have to do to eventually become a club that can challenge for the CL" Those are two VERY different statements. The first is insane PR drivel. The SECOND is about carrying out Research, Establishing Process that will find the best Youngsters in the World, PLANNING to develop OVER TIME an Income structure that allows you to be Sustainable AND still allow you to pay "Competitive" salaries. IF we have to pay 50k a week salaries in 10 years time (even IF it is only due to Hyper Inflation) then perhaps a WISE man would work out ways to have the INCOME (TV Gate receipts Foreign Tours Merchandising) in order to afford that. Hell perhaps the PLAN includes producing 6 AOC's per season and selling 4 of them. Sport is a COMPETITIVE environment. You seek every possible improvement all the time. Clubs like Saints under Lowe that become complacent and lazy and only aim for Mediocrity (or Shareholder return) ALWAYS fail Exfeckingactly!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Show me one post on here that says Saints can't 'move forward'.....I bet you can't can you? You just said it yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Do you think Barnet fans should aspire to be in the Champions League? If they make it to the Premiere league then YES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 They couldn't get into the stadium. Next. Why not? We averaged nowhere near capacity. You're really not very good at creating this make believe world are you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Exfeckingactly!!!! People are saying we should have getting into the Champions League as part of our "5 year plan" that's the whole point of this thread and why it is so funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 What a lot of people on here seem to do be doing is saying 'this is the football landscape' QED we cannot be a top four club... But if anything the past ten years have told us it is that the Status Quo simply does not exist any more anywhere. The world isn't like that. Rover has gone. New Labour has gone. The desktop computer has come and gone. When did you last buy a newspaper? Who supplies your digital television now... how easy is it to Skype your buddies in Beijing? Two standout predictions I have been privvy to in in the last 20 years... "That will never catch on...", my current business partner on being shown by then Vodafone Chairman Gerry Whent something called 'SMS'... "There will never be a day when I need television on my computer, I have a television..." yours truly in discussion with someone at Microsoft... The world is moving on, at pace. Football will move on at pace. Christ I can remember going to Old Trafford in the league cup and winning in front of a stadium one third full! Media rights and digital management, Chinese and Indian exposure will shift the landscape completely - yes in favour of the bigger clubs first (they have a global fan-base already) but can you imagine what impact a team playing free-flowing, pass and move football might have, over time, if it can be at least consistent and moderately successful? I bet there's a hell of a lot more Indians have heard of Swansea City now... sustainability is the key! And if there is anything our Chairman will love, it is to upset the football apple-cart. I'm going to love watching him try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 such delusion that we will be CL in 5 years.....absolute delusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Wow! Great thread I haven't laughed so much in ages................................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 What a lot of people on here seem to do be doing is saying 'this is the football landscape' QED we cannot be a top four club... But if anything the past ten years have told us it is that the Status Quo simply does not exist any more anywhere. The world isn't like that. Rover has gone. New Labour has gone. The desktop computer has come and gone. When did you last buy a newspaper? Who supplies your digital television now... how easy is it to Skype your buddies in Beijing? Two standout predictions I have been privvy to in in the last 20 years... "That will never catch on...", my current business partner on being shown by then Vodafone Chairman Gerry Whent something called 'SMS'... "There will never be a day when I need television on my computer, I have a television..." yours truly in discussion with someone at Microsoft... The world is moving on, at pace. Football will move on at pace. Christ I can remember going to Old Trafford in the league cup and winning in front of a stadium one third full! Media rights and digital management, Chinese and Indian exposure will shift the landscape completely - yes in favour of the bigger clubs first (they have a global fan-base already) but can you imagine what impact a team playing free-flowing, pass and move football might have, over time, if it can be at least consistent and moderately successful? I bet there's a hell of a lot more Indians have heard of Swansea City now... sustainability is the key! And if there is anything our Chairman will love, it is to upset the football apple-cart. I'm going to love watching him try! As with Frank Cousin's long rambling rants, what is your actual point regarding this thread? No-one on here is saying that the world doesn't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 We will not qualify for the champions league, or compete for the premier league. That will never happen at this football club, let's be realistic. What is possible though is creating a sustainable and established premiership club, which can compete in the cups and flirt with the top 6/7 places in the league. That's probably the maximum this club can achieve in all honesty. I'm sure that nobody thought Newcastle would have a chance at qualifying for the Champions League and they're pretty close to doing so... To say it would 'never happen' at this football club is a ridiculous thing to say, I'm sure if you asked City fans there would be the usual mongs saying they'd never achieve anything and they are one game away from winning the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I'm sure that nobody thought Newcastle would have a chance at qualifying for the Champions League and they're pretty close to doing so... To say it would 'never happen' at this football club is a ridiculous thing to say, I'm sure if you asked City fans there would be the usual mongs saying they'd never achieve anything and they are one game away from winning the league. and they won't qualify for the CL and will be even further away next season... to even match newcastle, we would probably have to double what we will spend on wages next season to have the likes of cab eye, tiote, cisse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I'm sure that nobody thought Newcastle would have a chance at qualifying for the Champions League and they're pretty close to doing so... To say it would 'never happen' at this football club is a ridiculous thing to say, I'm sure if you asked City fans there would be the usual mongs saying they'd never achieve anything and they are one game away from winning the league. Yeah I'm sure plenty of City fans have looked at the money spent on their club over the last couple of years and thoguht they'd never achieve anything ha ha ha. Newcastle are a much bigger club than us, with greater resources, they're having their best season in many, many years, other big clubs are having really poor seasons and keep stuffing up, yet Newcastle STILL aren't going to qualify for the Champions League. Please don't tell me you're one of those loons that see Saints as a similar sized club to Newcastle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Why not? We averaged nowhere near capacity. You're really not very good at creating this make believe world are you. People from further afield are less likely to travel to a venue where there is not the capacity to accommodate them, are they? The stadium was full enough when the glory teams were in town. The situation remains the same, although the stadium has over twice the capacity that the Dell had. When the glory teams are in town, we could undoubtedly sell substantially more seats than the capacity we have at the moment. You're really not much good at thinking outside of the narrow confines of what you believe is possible for us, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I'm sure that nobody thought Newcastle would have a chance at qualifying for the Champions League and they're pretty close to doing so... To say it would 'never happen' at this football club is a ridiculous thing to say, I'm sure if you asked City fans there would be the usual mongs saying they'd never achieve anything and they are one game away from winning the league. When our owners invest £500m-1b then I'll start to believe, until then it is and always will be a pipe dream. I don't think it's fair saying 'Mongs' either. I think what the majority of us hold is a realistic and fair view of the short-term...anything else is embarrassing fantasy land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 a simple comparison would be spurs in a way.....bigger than saints, yes..but have been up and down the premier league over the years the sheer amount of money it has cost them for 1 season in the CL has been astronomical. they MAY qualify this season....they may not...but so far 1 whole season and it has cost them massive, massive money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Arsenal - Huge club. Have and had world class players. spend was over £100m in wages per season. house 60k fans every single game. they are fighting it out for 3rd and 4th spot yep, I can see us right up there near them and chelsea, and liverpool and spurs....yep, can see us right there in the next 5 years ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 a simple comparison would be spurs in a way.....bigger than saints, yes..but have been up and down the premier league over the years the sheer amount of money it has cost them for 1 season in the CL has been astronomical. they MAY qualify this season....they may not...but so far 1 whole season and it has cost them massive, massive money Absolutely. The contracts Modric and Van Der Vaart are on will be beyond anything we'd ever hand out. It's fair dreaming and it's nice to think of what's possible in the future, but this really isn't with our club. We're talking decades and a continuing development of our youth players to replicate the players Spurs pay £20m for. And we'd probably end up losing our better youth players too if they were 'that' good. Saint is our club and we all love it, but we're never going to compete with the best in England. It's fantasy and other fans would cringe reading some of the stuff on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I look forward to this thread being bumped when we qualify for the CL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 People from further afield are less likely to travel to a venue where there is not the capacity to accommodate them, are they? The stadium was full enough when the glory teams were in town. The situation remains the same, although the stadium has over twice the capacity that the Dell had. When the glory teams are in town, we could undoubtedly sell substantially more seats than the capacity we have at the moment. You're really not much good at thinking outside of the narrow confines of what you believe is possible for us, are you? You just can't admit you were wrong can you? Come on, try, it's not that hard if you give it a go and you'll get over the embarrassment eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 People from further afield are less likely to travel to a venue where there is not the capacity to accommodate them, are they? The stadium was full enough when the glory teams were in town. The situation remains the same, although the stadium has over twice the capacity that the Dell had. When the glory teams are in town, we could undoubtedly sell substantially more seats than the capacity we have at the moment. You're really not much good at thinking outside of the narrow confines of what you believe is possible for us, are you? The last time we played Man Utd, we failed to sell out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 You just can't admit you were wrong can you? Come on, try, it's not that hard if you give it a go and you'll get over the embarrassment eventually. What? You are good at thinking outside of the narrow confines of what you believe is possible for us? Really? You could have fooled me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 This thread demonstrates why there will be calls by the morons for Adkins to leave when we lose a few games next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 What? You are good at thinking outside of the narrow confines of what you believe is possible for us? Really? You could have fooled me. Because I'm not expecting us to be playing Champions League football in the next 5 years and don't see us on a par with Arsenal, Man City and Newcastle, I have 'narrow confines' of thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 This thread demonstrates why there will be calls by the morons for Adkins to leave when we lose a few games next season. No it doesn't, it really doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Because I'm not expecting us to be playing Champions League football in the next 5 years and don't see us on a par with Arsenal, Man City and Newcastle, I have 'narrow confines' of thought Neither did I say that I expected us to be playing CL football in the next five years, nor did I see us on a par with Arsenal, Man City and Newcastle. I merely pointed out that the changing football landscape that will be brought about by the new financial restrictions and the changes of fortunes of several of the protagonists traditionally at the top of the Premiership tables has changed recently and might yet change further. Legod Third Coming and Frank and others made some really good points, which you dismissed, but were incapable of arguing against with any credibility. Which is why I accused you of being incapable of thinking outside the narrow confines of what you believe to be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Neither did I say that I expected us to be playing CL football in the next five years, nor did I see us on a par with Arsenal, Man City and Newcastle. I merely pointed out that the changing football landscape that will be brought about by the new financial restrictions and the changes of fortunes of several of the protagonists traditionally at the top of the Premiership tables has changed recently and might yet change further. Legod Third Coming and Frank and others made some really good points, which you dismissed, but were incapable of arguing against with any credibility. Which is why I accused you of being incapable of thinking outside the narrow confines of what you believe to be possible. by 2017, we will not have qualified for the CL league. That I am sure. we MAY, by the grace of good, get to a cup final.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Neither did I say that I expected us to be playing CL football in the next five years, nor did I see us on a par with Arsenal, Man City and Newcastle. I merely pointed out that the changing football landscape that will be brought about by the new financial restrictions and the changes of fortunes of several of the protagonists traditionally at the top of the Premiership tables has changed recently and might yet change further. Legod Third Coming and Frank and others made some really good points, which you dismissed, but were incapable of arguing against with any credibility. Which is why I accused you of being incapable of thinking outside the narrow confines of what you believe to be possible. So what's your point on this thread apart from suggesting that football might change a bit in the future? Please tell me which points I've failed to address and I'll happily explain to you where they're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 How far and how high Saints can go in the next five years has far more to do with how strictly the financial fair play regulations are implemented and what the terms are for the next tv deal than whether or not we have a 45,000 capacity ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 How far and how high Saints can go in the next five years has far more to do with how strictly the financial fair play regulations are implemented and what the terms are for the next tv deal than whether or not we have a 45,000 capacity ground. Not really because if the financial rules are enforced, then the income that clubs generate is going to be more important than ever. Main source of income for most is ticket sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Main source of income for most is ticket sales. Only in the leagues where you don't spend too much time worrying about qualification for the CL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 (edited) Not really because if the financial rules are enforced, then the income that clubs generate is going to be more important than ever. Main source of income for most is ticket sales. Im not getting into the ****ing contest. suffice to say the main source of income for most EPL clubs is Sky, by a long way. Currently the disparity in resources between clubs in the same league is at record highs - Man City and Chelsea have perhaps 7 or 8 times the income of Wigan and Swansea due to being artificially supported by their owners. If that support is genuinely abolished and the new tv deal continues to divide the money reasonably equally between the clubs then the difference between top and bottom will be much less, maybe a factor of 'only' two or three. An extra 10,000 or so on the gate is small beer compared with getting £37m from Sky even for the lowest placed club. If however the financial fair play regulations are easy to circumvent with nifty accounting and the new tv deal in 2013 decides to allocate most of the cash to the most successful clubs, as happens in most countries, the gulf between top and bottom will be so huge you might as well kiss goodbye to any sense at all of a 'competition' between clubs in the EPL. Edited 8 May, 2012 by buctootim typos and stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I'd say recommending building several million pounds worth of new seating to house people "who simply want to watch a game of football" to be possibly the most soul crushing vison for the future I think I have ever heard. Do you seriously think the plans on the table for Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool (currently off the table), Everton and the rest have this kind idea at the heart of it? Or maybe, just maybe, their plans cover actual demand from their own actual fans? I'd far rather have a packed St Mary's of real Saints fans than a 40,000 death-drome full of away fans and random day trippers. It does, I grant you, sound like precisely the kind of idea that would eminate from Dubai. Specsavers may be a good place to help you read posts before replying. Kindly name a poster in this thread who is "recommending building several million pounds worth of new seating". This entire Discussion is about identifying the criteria and roadmap and IDENTIFYING the point in the future where this COULD become necessary. You charge in all you are talking boll cks and then use the SAME arguments we are using. You say Saints should have no criteria to measure demand in a Business Plan and THEN tell us that is what everyone else is doing and responding to? Awesome debating technique that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Im not getting into the ****ing contest. Currently the disparity in resources between clubs in the same league is at record highs - Man City and Chelsea have perhaps 10 times the income of Wigan and Swansea due to be artificially supported by their owners. If that support is genuinely abolished and the new tv deal continues to divide the money reasonably equally between the clubs then the difference between top and bottom will be much less, maybe a factor of 'only' three or four. An extra 10,000 or so on the gate is small beer compared with getting £37m from Sky even for the lowest placed club. But the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool will always generate far more money than others thanks to their massive global support. It's hardly small fry either or otherwise clubs wouldn't go through the hassle and expenditure of building new grounds. Chelsea are fully aware that they need to expand their stadium in order to compete (with the new financial rules coming in), that's why Arsenal moved to the Emirates because they were falling behind the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea, that's why Liverpool and Spurs have spent millions trying to find a location to build a new ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Only in the leagues where you don't spend too much time worrying about qualification for the CL Hence why I said "most". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 People from further afield are less likely to travel to a venue where there is not the capacity to accommodate them, are they? The stadium was full enough when the glory teams were in town. The situation remains the same, although the stadium has over twice the capacity that the Dell had. When the glory teams are in town, we could undoubtedly sell substantially more seats than the capacity we have at the moment. You're really not much good at thinking outside of the narrow confines of what you believe is possible for us, are you? Ha, brilliant! Err, I was there in the 80's and from what I remember only Chelsea was ever all ticket (due to previous crowd trouble). You could travel from anywhere and guarantee entry merely by turning up early enough (as many did, I used to get to the Milton End with my old man a good 2hrs before KO some times). Sorry but what you have said is complete rubbish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Surely somebody of the inteligence that you obviously think you have, wouldn't make the simple error of quoting a city amongst your examples that has two well established clubs vying for support? Tell me it ain't true! Well Nottingham is bigger than Southampton and has just as much as a catchment area and fanbase potential as Saints. People from Melton or Mansfield supporting Forest is just as likely as people from Weymouth supporting Saints. If Forest were in the Champions League the existence of Notts County is entirely irrelevent. Sent from my GT-I9100P using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Why didn't we sell out week in week out in the early 80s then? European football, towards the top of league, where were the thousands of glory hunters then? All these people in Salisbury and Gosport desperate to see a successful team.............. Nice airbrushing of the PRIMARY reason that football was NOT as popular in the early 80's as it is now. And what crowds was Football IN GENERAL averaging in those years? How many rational adults would have taken their kids to stand ankle deep in urine on a Terrace with the ever present threat of Violence back then Also, you did not have whole new fans understanding the game and it's players due to the extensive Television and media coverage and the oh so British cult of "Celebrity" But of course football has never changed, ever and everybody should assume it will just keep on being the same for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Three chances of playing CL in five years IMO. 1. Someone (liebherrs or another billionaire who buys us) invests stupid amounts into the club. 2. We manage to find a Chinese and/or a Indian superstar to play for us, merchandise then goes through the roof and we use that money to invest further in the team. 3. We get very lucky and have some exceptional bargains in the transfer market, alot of lucky games throughout the season and maybe a few very good youngsters come good. All these options are very unlikely especially options 1 and 2. What is more likely is NC has a plan to make us better but within our financial means, so with a little bit of luck a top 10 finish and a decent cup run with the dream that if we had a perfect season a top 4 finish might happen (option3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Im not getting into the ****ing contest. suffice to say the main source of income for most EPL clubs is Sky, by a long way. Currently the disparity in resources between clubs in the same league is at record highs - Man City and Chelsea have perhaps 7 or 8 times the income of Wigan and Swansea due to being artificially supported by their owners. If that support is genuinely abolished and the new tv deal continues to divide the money reasonably equally between the clubs then the difference between top and bottom will be much less, maybe a factor of 'only' two or three. An extra 10,000 or so on the gate is small beer compared with getting £37m from Sky even for the lowest placed club. If however the financial fair play regulations are easy to circumvent with nifty accounting and the new tv deal in 2013 decides to allocate most of the cash to the most successful clubs, as happens in most countries, the gulf between top and bottom will be so huge you might as well kiss goodbye to any sense at all of a 'competition' between clubs in the EPL. The big clubs will still make far, far more money than the smaller and medium sized clubs and will continue to dominate. It will make it a lot more difficult for small clubs such as Wigan that have relied on a local benefactor for support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Sources of income for EPL clubs in in 2009/10. If people can find more up to date data by all means post. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/19/football-club-accounts-debt#data Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Sources of income for EPL clubs in in 2009/10. If people can find more up to date data by all means post. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/19/football-club-accounts-debt#data Yep good stuff. Clearly showing how much more some clubs generate than others. "Fair play" ha ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Well that's shut Wes up for the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Well that's shut Wes up for the day. Some of us do have businesses to run. But it's now lunch break time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Some of us do have businesses to run. But it's now lunch break time. What do you do Wes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Three chances of playing CL in five years IMO. 1. Someone (liebherrs or another billionaire who buys us) invests stupid amounts into the club. 2. We manage to find a Chinese and/or a Indian superstar to play for us, merchandise then goes through the roof and we use that money to invest further in the team. 3. We get very lucky and have some exceptional bargains in the transfer market, alot of lucky games throughout the season and maybe a few very good youngsters come good. All these options are very unlikely especially options 1 and 2. What is more likely is NC has a plan to make us better but within our financial means, so with a little bit of luck a top 10 finish and a decent cup run with the dream that if we had a perfect season a top 4 finish might happen (option3). All quite reasonable. CL finish very unlikely, but only a fool would rule it out as being impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Well Nottingham is bigger than Southampton and has just as much as a catchment area and fanbase potential as Saints. People from Melton or Mansfield supporting Forest is just as likely as people from Weymouth supporting Saints. If Forest were in the Champions League the existence of Notts County is entirely irrelevent. Sent from my GT-I9100P using Tapatalk 2 Your geography isn't very good, is it? Apart from the fact that Nottingham has two clubs vying for fans' support, it is only 15 miles away from Derby, so citing Nottingham as an example of a club with a better catchment area than ours doesn't really stack up unless Derby emulate the Skates, who with luck will probably cease to exist soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 What do you do Wes? Corporate Advertising & promotions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Your geography isn't very good, is it? Apart from the fact that Nottingham has two clubs vying for fans' support, it is only 15 miles away from Derby, so citing Nottingham as an example of a club with a better catchment area than ours doesn't really stack up unless Derby emulate the Skates, who with luck will probably cease to exist soon. plymouth have the potential to be much much much bigger than saints if we are talking catchment areas plymouth for the CL in 10 years..? chances..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Nice airbrushing of the PRIMARY reason that football was NOT as popular in the early 80's as it is now. And what crowds was Football IN GENERAL averaging in those years? How many rational adults would have taken their kids to stand ankle deep in urine on a Terrace with the ever present threat of Violence back then Also, you did not have whole new fans understanding the game and it's players due to the extensive Television and media coverage and the oh so British cult of "Celebrity" But of course football has never changed, ever and everybody should assume it will just keep on being the same for ever. Saints had a thriving Junior Saints and Family Centre right throughout the 80s. Plenty went to football as kids through the 70s and 80s without any problems. Yeah those modern celebrity things, not like Kevin Keegan, Shilton, etc of the 80s. Who has said football will never change? No-one. You're off your head if you think we're on a par with Newcastle, Man City, Arsenal or whoever and are about to start playing in the Champions League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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