The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 So you agree it's possible then. So worth aiming for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Guys, its pretty simple I'm suprised no-ones suggested it already. All we have to do is move Saints into North Wales, join their leagues, work our way up and bang into the Champions League qualifiers in 2 seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 The comments on here are so predictable. When Cortese said he wanted to win the Championship it was the same mongtards saying he was a loon. I don't think we will ever get CL football but Cortese will have a plan in place for achieving exactly that, he will also have plans in place for if we get relegated, or if we stay up but SMS is half empty. It all depends on how we perform next season, ticket demand etc. I don't expect the hobbits on here to get the concept tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 The comments on here are so predictable. When Cortese said he wanted to win the Championship it was the same mongtards saying he was a loon. I don't think we will ever get CL football but Cortese will have a plan in place for achieving exactly that, he will also have plans in place for if we get relegated, or if we stay up but SMS is half empty. It all depends on how we perform next season, ticket demand etc. I don't expect the hobbits on here to get the concept tho. I bet not a single person said that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 The comments on here are so predictable. When Cortese said he wanted to win the Championship it was the same mongtards saying he was a loon. I don't think we will ever get CL football but Cortese will have a plan in place for achieving exactly that, he will also have plans in place for if we get relegated, or if we stay up but SMS is half empty. It all depends on how we perform next season, ticket demand etc. I don't expect the hobbits on here to get the concept tho. The fact that you're resorting to remarks says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 This season will be about consolidation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 The fact that you're resorting to remarks says it all. I still want to see this "plan" that means we will have circa 40k fans at SMS and be spending circa £100m per season on wages alone...throw in transfer fees too...you know, £20-30m every summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I think there's a difference between expecting Champion's League football next season and writing it off per se... Couple of points. 1. A lot of the money that Ashley 'invested in Newcastle' was not buying playing talent but paying off massive debts. He then brought in the ABSOLUTE KEY to any success - a manager who can attract/identify/bring in great players. 2. To regularly challange for top honours would require a significant annual investment in wages - let alone transfer fees. It's not buying the £10-25m players that's the issue (and forget the £50/60ms you hear banded about, I reckon those days are over - the transfer fee bubble has or will burst). It's the fact that these players will have to be on £50-150k per week. Why? Because if they are not, they will leave and go to a club who will pay that... 3. Ultimately there is no reason we cannot copy the Arsenal model which is to try to challenge without stretching the finances to breaking point. And, in my view, if the manager there was less intransigent, they could have challenged for top honours much more regularly. I'm no tactical genius but every great team does have a great spine (or at least a very reliable back five) as well as its talent... Arguably, Southampton is at least as attractive a proposition as Manchester City was - well maybe slightly less because of the smaller stadium - but the catchment area is now massive with our neighbours going pop... So, it is not a case of can Nicola and Nige do the business for us next season or the season after, but can you foresee the circumstances in which it is feasible for us to be such a club. And I can. In 1982, I thought Liverpool would win the league forever.... Quite simply Arsenal, Newcastle and Man City should never be used as an example/justification/model for Saints. We may be in the same League, but we are not in the same league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I still want to see this "plan" that means we will have circa 40k fans at SMS and be spending circa £100m per season on wages alone...throw in transfer fees too...you know, £20-30m every summer It's the same plan that HelpMeRhonda drafted up a few years ago, it included a fairground and water park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 The fact that you're resorting to remarks says it all. I think its the fact that he's resorted to making things up that says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I think its the fact that he's resorted to making things up that says it all. and that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 We should look to become the Hampshire version of Athletico Bilbao over the next five years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 The comments on here are so predictable. When Cortese said he wanted to win the Championship it was the same mongtards saying he was a loon. I don't think we will ever get CL football but Cortese will have a plan in place for achieving exactly that, he will also have plans in place for if we get relegated, or if we stay up but SMS is half empty. It all depends on how we perform next season, ticket demand etc. I don't expect the hobbits on here to get the concept tho. As Norwich have shown along with other "small" clubs like Swansea, Blackpool etc, promotion to the top flight is a challenge bu t something within the grasp of quite a few clubs. Breaking in to the world of Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Etc however is probably a bit more of a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Quite simply Arsenal, Newcastle and Man City should never be used as an example/justification/model for Saints. We may be in the same League, but we are not in the same league They're not though are they? They were being used to answer previous points... Both of those clubs have a global fan-base established over decades which we will, also, take decades to match. I do reference a 30 year old example to make my point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 The comments on here are so predictable. When Cortese said he wanted to win the Championship it was the same mongtards saying he was a loon. I don't think we will ever get CL football but Cortese will have a plan in place for achieving exactly that, he will also have plans in place for if we get relegated, or if we stay up but SMS is half empty. It all depends on how we perform next season, ticket demand etc. I don't expect the hobbits on here to get the concept tho. Utter garbage. Not one single person said anything of the sort. I remember saying quite the opposite, taking it as proof against the likes of you and your bunch of weirdos who are the first on here giving it the arse aching bore routine about "these kids with unrealistic expectations" at the start of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 And to be honest, why are people so hell bent on limiting aspiration?? Trust me, there is not a Manchester City or Chelsea fan alive who thought that either would come within a shout of winning the league and Champion's league titles respectively fifteen years ago... That is how quickly things change in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Cortese will have a plan in place for achieving exactly that, he will also have plans in place for if we get relegated, or if we stay up but SMS is half empty. The only way this scenario will play out is if Cortese follows you and your chums idiot plan of build it now now now now we desperately need 40,000 seats we're bigger than Everton and everything and did I mention our catchment area and something about Chelsea in 1984. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 The only way this scenario will play out is if Cortese follows you and your chums idiot plan of build it now now now now we desperately need 40,000 seats we're bigger than Everton and everything and did I mention our catchment area and something about Chelsea in 1984. I think that's a bit unfair on the aspirants among our fan base... We will only need 40,000 seats when we have a waiting list for tickets every week. I doubt that will happen within one season or two, but give it five or ten years of sustainable Premiership football and it's well within the bounds of possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 (edited) Come on Frank, it's one thing to take a club which is a medium sized premier league club out of league one, even the championship, it's quite another to take that club into the champions league playing with the biggest clubs in the world. Tottenhams revenue in their last report was £120m, £104m, more than our was in our last report. This is they type of sized clubs you lot are expecting us to compete for 4th place with. True, I suspect without a huge ticket price hike our revenue next year will be around 65-70mil (with SKY monies and increased commercial rev streams) - still around 50-60mil short of what other clubs have let alone the short fall in spending made up by benefactors or simply much better sponsorship revenues. To suggest with a 70 mil budget we could compete is as ludicrous - as even if by some miracle we had 8 world beaters come out of the Academy in August, we would not have teh financial muscle or pulling power to keep them. But we do not know what comemrcial or investment plans NC has either short term or long term so its impossible to predict what is ultimately possible. Its taken approximately 18-20mil of equity investment to get us up from L1-the prem in two seasons - It would have been possible with less cash invested, but would have taken longer IMHO... so why do it 3 when 5 was the plan and spend extra? Guess the guy is driven and used to delivering... I would love to know what he now plans, and whether he really does believe that we can make the club attractive enough both financially and from a sporting perspective to the developing players to get them to actually play first team before the likes of Arse come running to their favourite academy... because with out them staying for a while at least, or 50-60mil of extra cash injections, we will not realise his 'dreams' - but that brings us back to my earlier point - we should be dreamers as fans - follow the heart and not the head, because otherwise we are really saying 'its the taking part that counts' - and whilst that might be a high sporting ideal... its only ever used by losers and also rans. Edited 7 May, 2012 by Frank's cousin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I wonder what peoples reaction will be if NC hikes tickets to £50 per game...to fund the 5 year push for the CL a cool £1000+ ST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 And to be honest, why are people so hell bent on limiting aspiration?? Trust me, there is not a Manchester City or Chelsea fan alive who thought that either would come within a shout of winning the league and Champion's league titles respectively fifteen years ago... That is how quickly things change in football. I'd ask why people are so hell bent on going on about the champion's league. Funny really, if we start the season badly and lose the first five in a row, the same people who are screaming like swivel eyed loons about "go for the champions league go for the champions league" will be the exact same people - the exact same people - wagging their fingers and tut-tuting at anyone daring to criticise the team and the manager, and droning on about how marvellous it will be to finish 17th. And the following season, say we have another shocker, and finish 17th again, the same people here giving it large about the champions league - the same people - will be tutting and wagging their fingers again at anyone that says that is not acceptable. The exact same people. If we finish 17th in the Prem every season for the next twelve consecutive years, Franks Cousin, Wes Tender and the rest of them will be on here berating anyone saying that isn't good enough. Which frankly makes this entire debate utterly futile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 And to be honest, why are people so hell bent on limiting aspiration?? Trust me, there is not a Manchester City or Chelsea fan alive who thought that either would come within a shout of winning the league and Champion's league titles respectively fifteen years ago... That is how quickly things change in football. This. Have a look at Chelsea's gates through the 80's and 90's pre Harding. Things can indeed change quickly in football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 This. Have a look at Chelsea's gates through the 80's and 90's pre Harding. Things can indeed change quickly in football... yeah, its called circa £500m pumped into the club for nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 yeah, its called circa £500m pumped into the club for nothing Didn't we just have a nice lump pumped into ours? Hmmmmmmmmmm maybe there's more to come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Didn't we just have a nice lump pumped into ours? Hmmmmmmmmmm maybe there's more to come! oh great whens the next £465m coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockland Dave Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Lets get this straight. We have never been a club as big as Man City, Villa, Sunderland,Newcastle, Everton. They have all bigger fan bases than we have. Please lets be realistic, unless we gradually grow organically over the next decade we will never be considered a big club. We are comparable with most of the bottom half of the premiership, and alot of the Championship. I would like to see us punch above our weight and see us finish top half year in year out. But i expect we will start the season hoping to hit 40 points like all but the elite. Please let us enjoy the premiership, don't have deluded expectations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I'd ask why people are so hell bent on going on about the champion's league. Funny really, if we start the season badly and lose the first five in a row, the same people who are screaming like swivel eyed loons about "go for the champions league go for the champions league" will be the exact same people - the exact same people - wagging their fingers and tut-tuting at anyone daring to criticise the team and the manager, and droning on about how marvellous it will be to finish 17th. And the following season, say we have another shocker, and finish 17th again, the same people here giving it large about the champions league - the same people - will be tutting and wagging their fingers again at anyone that says that is not acceptable. The exact same people. If we finish 17th in the Prem every season for the next twelve consecutive years, Franks Cousin, Wes Tender and the rest of them will be on here berating anyone saying that isn't good enough. Which frankly makes this entire debate utterly futile. Leave it out. You obviouly miss the point completely. A side that has overachieved and deliveed two promotions in succession with arguably far less investment than many of its competitors, has a great team spirit, and has grafted and entertained, deserves to be cut a little slack when things dont always go to plan. That is completely different to a side that may have been heavily invested in, and is under achieving and thus desrves a kick up its arse. Go back through this thread and show me where I have said anything other - you are just making it up in your usual over agressive, patronising tone - you need to calm down, or get laid or something. Do you actually get enjoyment out of anything in life? You always sound so pathetically angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Leave it out. You obviouly miss the point completely. A side that has overachieved and deliveed two promotions in succession with arguably far less investment than many of its competitors' date='[/b'] has a great team spirit, and has grafted and entertained, deserves to be cut a little slack when things dont always go to plan. That is completely different to a side that may have been heavily invested in, and is under achieving and thus desrves a kick up its arse. Go back through this thread and show me where I have said anything other - you are just making it up in your usual over agressive, patronising tone - you need to calm down, or get laid or something. Do you actually get enjoyment out of anything in life? You always sound so pathetically angry. simply not true what so ever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 oh great whens the next £465m coming? Over what period was the £500 million pumped into Chelski? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 So 4th is completely impossible, but 5th is quite possible? I kind of take your point, but it is roughly what I'm saying. I think there are maybe 6 teams who each year have the potential to make the top 4. I can see us on an individual year maybe outperforming a couple of them, but never enough to push us higher. Best case a freak year like Evertons, but us being a top 4 team, just don't see it. Also I'm not 100% sure Cortese has ever stated his plan is to make us a CL club. The only thing I remember is him talking about the time he was sitting alone in the boardroom with Markus at the end of the day and him being shocked when Markus told him he wants us to be a CL club. It came across as a slightly misty eyed "what a guy" Markus was type story rather than a solid foundation for the future. I'm sure even Markus can dream a little and joke with his best mate whilst they share a few drinks at the end of the day, but unless he left us half a billion in that trust fund, its not going to happen. Not Markus' style and for me therefore, not going to happen. Now if Cortese comes out and makes a clear statement (like he did with the Prem plan) that the CL is the new goal, I'll maybe start to believe a bit, but until that point, its nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I'd ask why people are so hell bent on going on about the champion's league. Funny really, if we start the season badly and lose the first five in a row, the same people who are screaming like swivel eyed loons about "go for the champions league go for the champions league" will be the exact same people - the exact same people - wagging their fingers and tut-tuting at anyone daring to criticise the team and the manager, and droning on about how marvellous it will be to finish 17th. And the following season, say we have another shocker, and finish 17th again, the same people here giving it large about the champions league - the same people - will be tutting and wagging their fingers again at anyone that says that is not acceptable. The exact same people. If we finish 17th in the Prem every season for the next twelve consecutive years, Franks Cousin, Wes Tender and the rest of them will be on here berating anyone saying that isn't good enough. Which frankly makes this entire debate utterly futile. I hear you - and as you know of old I am a dreamer when it comes to success I am, however, reminded of something that goes a bit like this: "Man's great failing in life is not that he sets his ambition too high and comes up short, but that he sets it too low and succeeds..." If we do come 17th, you'll find me complaining. Because if this Liverpool team can come 9th, so can we! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Lets get this straight. We have never been a club as big as Man City, Villa, Sunderland,Newcastle, Everton. They have all bigger fan bases than we have. Please lets be realistic, unless we gradually grow organically over the next decade we will never be considered a big club. We are comparable with most of the bottom half of the premiership, and alot of the Championship. I would like to see us punch above our weight and see us finish top half year in year out. But i expect we will start the season hoping to hit 40 points like all but the elite. Please let us enjoy the premiership, don't have deluded expectations This is very true - but growth IS possible, if there is a product that is attractive enough to more people. A reputation for entertaining brand of football in an environment that is inclusive. Grwoing a fan base is always a long term issue, but its not helped by the uber fans slagging off prem only plastics - get them to go enough times and get their kids hookd... a bit more success and it gets the ball rolling - what our potential is if we had sustained 2002/2003 levels of sucess I dont know, but I would suggest that its a fair bit more than where we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 (edited) simply not true what so ever... compared to WHU, Leicester etc + a few others I would argue it is - our wage bil was less than pompeys FFS ... I should have said against our own expectations given the perceived gap in quality and investmnet against some of the pre season favourites Edited 7 May, 2012 by Frank's cousin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 compared to WHU' date=' Leicester etc + a few others I would argue it is - our wage bil was less than pompeys FFS [/quote'] who are these few others. brighton - no boro - no cardiff - no reading - no blackpool - no palace - no who are these few others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 who are these few others. brighton - no boro - no cardiff - no reading - no blackpool - no palace - no who are these few others? Honestly, what as your prediction and expectation at the start of last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Honestly' date=' what as your prediction and expectation at the start of last season?[/quote'] playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 (edited) Leave it out. You obviouly miss the point completely. A side that has overachieved and deliveed two promotions in succession with arguably far less investment than many of its competitors, has a great team spirit, and has grafted and entertained, deserves to be cut a little slack when things dont always go to plan. That is completely different to a side that may have been heavily invested in, and is under achieving and thus desrves a kick up its arse. Go back through this thread and show me where I have said anything other - you are just making it up in your usual over agressive, patronising tone - you need to calm down, or get laid or something. Do you actually get enjoyment out of anything in life? You always sound so pathetically angry. I rest my case. We didn't overachieve. Our chairman stated the aim in September for us "not only to get promoted but to go up as champions". Fact. Quote. On those terms we slightly underachieved. And 93% wages to turnover is not some footballing triumph of scrimping and scraping against all odds. So are we "cutting the team a little slack" or are we going balls-out for Champions League qualification? You make my point to utter perfection. The Frank's Cousin way of having it all ways. We simply must must must must aim for Champions League regulars you people have no ambition but oh haven't we done well to finish 17th again, you kids and your unrealistic expectations you people don't know you're born etc. Edited 7 May, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Honestly' date=' what as your prediction and expectation at the start of last season?[/quote'] Promotion and backed with my cash in the bookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I hear you - and as you know of old I am a dreamer when it comes to success I am, however, reminded of something that goes a bit like this: "Man's great failing in life is not that he sets his ambition too high and comes up short, but that he sets it too low and succeeds..." If we do come 17th, you'll find me complaining. Because if this Liverpool team can come 9th, so can we! Don't worry. I know your stand point perfectly. Carlos Tevez anyone...?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 playoffs. See think its all relative - you you started out believing payoffs bound to be a ****er giver that we were top two that we did not hold on for the title - but still over achieved in theory. I thought we'd be about 10th so was totally wrong and naturally delighted, so more forgiving and less tolerant of the slaggong the side got when we lost a game having been in second... Looking at the squad objectively, and the quality and strengths of the other sides - I still think we over achieved - I think the squad has weakness and frailties (quality wise) and lacked a killer instinct at times last season... the difference is, I expected that given the fact we were NPC and arguably not the best in the division. You cant blame a player for not being as good as others - and if they put in a shift, work hard and are comitted, then I aint going to slag them. Over a season, which is the way its got to be judged, cant fault the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 See think its all relative - you you started out believing payoffs bound to be a ****er giver that we were top two that we did not hold on for the title - but still over achieved in theory. I thought we'd be about 10th so was totally wrong and naturally delighted, so more forgiving and less tolerant of the slaggong the side got when we lost a game having been in second... Looking at the squad objectively, and the quality and strengths of the other sides - I still think we over achieved - I think the squad has weakness and frailties (quality wise) and lacked a killer instinct at times last season... the difference is, I expected that given the fact we were NPC and arguably not the best in the division. You cant blame a player for not being as good as others - and if they put in a shift, work hard and are comitted, then I aint going to slag them. Over a season, which is the way its got to be judged, cant fault the effort. I was ultimately 1 league place from being wrong...ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I rest my case. We didn't overachieve. Our chairman stated the aim in September for us "not only to get promoted but to go up as champions". Fact. Quote. On those terms we slightly underachieved. And 93% wages to turnover is not some footballing triumph of scrimping and scraping against all odds. So are we "cutting the team a little slack" or are we going balls-out for Champions League qualification? You make my point to utter perfection. The Frank's Cousin way of having it all ways. We simply must must must must aim for Champions League regulars you people have no ambition but oh haven't we done well to finish 17th again, you kids and your unrealistic expectations you people don't know you're born etc. :lol: Oh stop being such a pompous arse - you completely miss the point once again - I think in your efforst to be Mr Angry Person, you are failing to read and distinguish between posts, posters, words and concepts....yet again... Jeez. It was a five year plan to get back to the prem...with me... half way through the season when we sit top of the pile, he is asked - what should he say...it does not matter we are ahead of the plan? Of course he is going say we want to go up as champions - and I am sure like everyone else he is dissapointed we did not, but on cold reflection, he will have recognised that what the side has done is excellent - Money and investment gives you a chance, but its never been a guarrantee... so in those terms we did fantastically and I will say again, I belive we over achieved - I do not believe that squad was in the top two best sides in the NPC, but we apart from perhaps Reading, we had arguably the very best spirit and AIMING for the top is exactly what we should have been doing. I applaud the dream, the desire, the aspiration and ambition, and I applaud the investment and management that drove it - but this is sport and with no guarrantees, a first season back up, I also applaud what was a great job well done. So NC has suggested he wants champions league.. Well good for him. All I and anyone else has said is that its a great ideal, a great aspiration. This thread has then been mostly about what would be necessary to achive that ... its a fair question and most on here have given their fair response... its a fan forum where thes ethings can be bantered around - until miserable trolls like you turn up with your patronising BS, dismissive anyone who might be ever so slightly daring to dream a little, daring to believe that anything is possible ... especially when NO ONE has any real idea what the Saints future holds... If this sort of topic 'dissappoints' you so much, that the thought of some fans even contemplating discussing pipe dreams annoys you so much...why read it? You are only making yourself angry and look a cock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 :lol: Oh stop being such a pompous arse - you completely miss the point once again - I think in your efforst to be Mr Angry Person, you are failing to read and distinguish between posts, posters, words and concepts....yet again... Jeez. It was a five year plan to get back to the prem...with me... half way through the season when we sit top of the pile, he is asked - what should he say...it does not matter we are ahead of the plan? Of course he is going say we want to go up as champions - and I am sure like everyone else he is dissapointed we did not, but on cold reflection, he will have recognised that what the side has done is excellent - Money and investment gives you a chance, but its never been a guarrantee... so in those terms we did fantastically and I will say again, I belive we over achieved - I do not believe that squad was in the top two best sides in the NPC, but we apart from perhaps Reading, we had arguably the very best spirit and AIMING for the top is exactly what we should have been doing. I applaud the dream, the desire, the aspiration and ambition, and I applaud the investment and management that drove it - but this is sport and with no guarrantees, a first season back up, I also applaud what was a great job well done. So NC has suggested he wants champions league.. Well good for him. All I and anyone else has said is that its a great ideal, a great aspiration. This thread has then been mostly about what would be necessary to achive that ... its a fair question and most on here have given their fair response... its a fan forum where thes ethings can be bantered around - until miserable trolls like you turn up with your patronising BS, dismissive anyone who might be ever so slightly daring to dream a little, daring to believe that anything is possible ... especially when NO ONE has any real idea what the Saints future holds... If this sort of topic 'dissappoints' you so much, that the thought of some fans even contemplating discussing pipe dreams annoys you so much...why read it? You are only making yourself angry and look a cock. He actually doesn't and talks a lot more sense than 99% of the people on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I was ultimately 1 league place from being right...ffs ?? I don't get it though - seems folk get really angry over what is a hyperthetical discussion... surely its interesting to look at what would be necessary, financilly, resources and infrastructure to have a hope in hells chnace of ever getting to 4th... and whether there is any remote chance of an alternative or if NC thinks there is, or was just aiming high/naive etc? There are loads of interesting issues here: will the FFP rules have any impact?, what moeny would be needed, do we have that investment, what is NC's strategy, ca the club grow any more, or are we at our peak? Just questions... discussion..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 :lol: Oh stop being such a pompous arse - you completely miss the point once again - I think in your efforst to be Mr Angry Person, you are failing to read and distinguish between posts, posters, words and concepts....yet again... Jeez. It was a five year plan to get back to the prem...with me... half way through the season when we sit top of the pile, he is asked - what should he say...it does not matter we are ahead of the plan? Of course he is going say we want to go up as champions - and I am sure like everyone else he is dissapointed we did not, but on cold reflection, he will have recognised that what the side has done is excellent - Money and investment gives you a chance, but its never been a guarrantee... so in those terms we did fantastically and I will say again, I belive we over achieved - I do not believe that squad was in the top two best sides in the NPC, but we apart from perhaps Reading, we had arguably the very best spirit and AIMING for the top is exactly what we should have been doing. I applaud the dream, the desire, the aspiration and ambition, and I applaud the investment and management that drove it - but this is sport and with no guarrantees, a first season back up, I also applaud what was a great job well done. So NC has suggested he wants champions league.. Well good for him. All I and anyone else has said is that its a great ideal, a great aspiration. This thread has then been mostly about what would be necessary to achive that ... its a fair question and most on here have given their fair response... its a fan forum where thes ethings can be bantered around - until miserable trolls like you turn up with your patronising BS, dismissive anyone who might be ever so slightly daring to dream a little, daring to believe that anything is possible ... especially when NO ONE has any real idea what the Saints future holds... If this sort of topic 'dissappoints' you so much, that the thought of some fans even contemplating discussing pipe dreams annoys you so much...why read it? You are only making yourself angry and look a cock. This thread was for what our 5 year plan should be for the next 5 years. Some of you have said Champions League football and have been laughed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 This thread was for what our 5 year plan should be for the next 5 years. Some of you have said Champions League football and have been laughed at. Oh no... someone having a laugh... quick, run away... sorry, but I thought this was a response to NCs comment. What the feck is wrong with discussing mad possibilties... and what would be hyperthetically needed to deliver them? Ultimately, I still think this is about striving to be the best - we fail because of lack of effort and graft - then they need a kicking... we fail because of lack of resources, money, club attractiveness, whatever, then at least we can say we did our very best - same principles in all walks of life. Fact that some get angry or laugh at a discussion... seems a bit churlish to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 (edited) :lol: Oh stop being such a pompous arse - you completely miss the point once again - I think in your efforst to be Mr Angry Person, you are failing to read and distinguish between posts, posters, words and concepts....yet again... Jeez. It was a five year plan to get back to the prem...with me... half way through the season when we sit top of the pile, he is asked - what should he say...it does not matter we are ahead of the plan? Of course he is going say we want to go up as champions - and I am sure like everyone else he is dissapointed we did not, but on cold reflection, he will have recognised that what the side has done is excellent - Money and investment gives you a chance, but its never been a guarrantee... so in those terms we did fantastically and I will say again, I belive we over achieved - I do not believe that squad was in the top two best sides in the NPC, but we apart from perhaps Reading, we had arguably the very best spirit and AIMING for the top is exactly what we should have been doing. I applaud the dream, the desire, the aspiration and ambition, and I applaud the investment and management that drove it - but this is sport and with no guarrantees, a first season back up, I also applaud what was a great job well done. So NC has suggested he wants champions league.. Well good for him. All I and anyone else has said is that its a great ideal, a great aspiration. This thread has then been mostly about what would be necessary to achive that ... its a fair question and most on here have given their fair response... its a fan forum where thes ethings can be bantered around - until miserable trolls like you turn up with your patronising BS, dismissive anyone who might be ever so slightly daring to dream a little, daring to believe that anything is possible ... especially when NO ONE has any real idea what the Saints future holds... If this sort of topic 'dissappoints' you so much, that the thought of some fans even contemplating discussing pipe dreams annoys you so much...why read it? You are only making yourself angry and look a cock. I am not looking it up, I can't be bothered, but that quote about not only going up but going up as champions was early in the season, not halfway. Pretty sure it was in September, which is not halfway through. But you're still saying that being champions this season was an unrealistic expectation and we were one point off doing it. So that's one portion of "dare to dream" cake followed up by a full consumption of "you people don't know you're born" cake as well. Quite, quite masterful. Either we are going to go for fourth - which involves winning lots and not accepting second best - or we see how we go and we go for a realistic birth in the top flight. I know where I am. On planet earth. I know where you are. Desperately trying to have it all ways, cosying up to the champions league because gosh doesn't it sound all exciting but desperate to get all pompous the minute anyone complains about a defeat, which is the kind of thing we would need to minimise to finish fourth and achieve that dream. Double helpings of cake anyone? Edited 7 May, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Oh no... someone having a laugh... quick, run away... sorry, but I thought this was a response to NCs comment. What the feck is wrong with discussing mad possibilties... and what would be hyperthetically needed to deliver them? Ultimately, I still think this is about striving to be the best - we fail because of lack of effort and graft - then they need a kicking... we fail because of lack of resources, money, club attractiveness, whatever, then at least we can say we did our very best - same principles in all walks of life. Fact that some get angry or laugh at a discussion... seems a bit churlish to me. Is it me or aren't you the one getting most upset by all this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Promotion and backed with my cash in the bookies. You and me both. And 1 point - I fecking measly little point - away from a handsome four figure payout... If I ever see David Norris I will lamp him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I am not looking it up, I can't be bothered, but that quote about not only going up but going up as champions was early in the season, not halfway. Pretty sure it was in September, which is not halfway through. So, just to conclude, when Cortese actually says he expects us to finish as champions that is something he "had to say" and despite all this what we then achieved wasn't the plan at all, just some lucky dream. You're even still saying that being champions this season was an unrealistic expectation and we were one point off doing it. So that's one portion of "dare to dream" cake followed up by a full consumption of "you people don't know you're born" cake as well. Quite, quite masterful. You really are second to none when it comes to pompous patronizing rhetoric.... 'quite masterful' in fact. If you look at the football we played, objectively, and assess the frailties and quality issues that we have, especially defensively then you have actually made my point for me... the fact we finished one point off top spot is actually remarkable... so yes I still maintain that we over achieved throgh graft, spirit and unity... good principles. And despite what you are assuming, this squad as is would have a struggle in the prem, in which those ine attributes will only get you so far... I dont think anyone would argue with that. If its not added to and NC believes that it will be enough to survive and consolidate, then I believe he would be naive in thinking that way. What can be achieved in 5 years was the question based on high ideals from the chairmans lips - some fan are impressed that we have those high ideals and where happy to debate and discuss the probablity and the resources/growth necessary to meet them... others obviously not. As low as the odds might be, as unrealistic as some suggest it is, what is so wrong with discussing the value in high ideals, or the hyperthetical practicalities of such a 'plan'? please tell me where it states we can only discuss topics that you approve of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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