aintforever Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I don't have a dell sized brain I think living away from the bubble that is the southampton area means I can see things (in general) objectively, it does not take a genius to figure that we would need to spend circa £100m on players and wages to even have a sniff at a top 4 finish...throw in brilliant management/scouting too When did Everton spend spend circa £100m on players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I never said it was likely, just possible. Everton proved that. Most people thought that automatic promotion this year was "very unlikely". It's quite clear from this thread that Cortese is way more ambitious and open minded than the average hobbit-like Sotonian. Thank god we have someone like him in charge. You do realise what this thread is about don't you? So you're saying in Saints plan/aim for the next 5 years is Champions League football? Yes or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 When did Everton spend spend circa £100m on players? Just to confirm you're using a one-off from 7 years ago to justify your argument? Right.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 When did Everton spend spend circa £100m on players? they pay an absolute fortune in wages.....and they have spent big over the years too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 So, we wont aim for a top 4 spot because it would be very hard to achieve. Aim for something easy instead. That's ambition Southampton style! There is ambition and then there is realism. We are a medium to small premier league club and are aspirations based on our resources should be to punch above our weight. I think that means competing on the fringes of mid table with a decent cup run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Just to confirm you're using a one-off from 7 years ago to justify your argument? Right.......... Exactly. Invest moderately and run the club well and we could do exactly what Everton did. We will never be a top 4 club year in year out. We could easliy be an established mid table side who could have one or two freak seasons knocking on the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 So, we wont aim for a top 4 spot because it would be very hard to achieve. Aim for something easy instead. That's ambition Southampton style! Yeah, because pushing for a Europa League spot and a good cup run, while carefully managing our finances is "easy" It's posts like this that keep the forum entertaining to be fair, would be a boring place without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Exactly. Invest moderately and run the club well and we could do exactly what Everton did. We will never be a top 4 club year in year out. We could easliy be an established mid table side who could have one or two freak seasons knocking on the top 4. but they don't...dont you get it. they pay a fortune in wages...when they signed faliani - he cost circa £15m alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Exactly. Invest moderately and run the club well and we could do exactly what Everton did. We will never be a top 4 club year in year out. We could easliy be an established mid table side who could have one or two freak seasons knocking on the top 4. Yeah we "could" do. Pretty likely that we won't though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 but they don't...dont you get it. they pay a fortune in wages...when they signed faliani - he cost circa £15m alone. We have billionare owners, don't you get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Yeah we "could" do. Pretty likely that we won't though. Totally agree. No reason why we shouldn't aim that high though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 (edited) We have billionare owners, don't you get it. yeah I do......so do balckburn don't they...or very close to it basically, you are hoping they are going to fund the club to the tune over over £100m in players transfers and wages to MAYBE get 1 year in the CL qualifiers..? everton spend over £60m in wages per season alone. that is the sort of figure we would need to catch up with the 6-7th best team in the league at the mo also, the last accounts shown we are already spending circa 90% on wages....I know our income will rise dramatically in the prem...but so will all the wages with the players we already have. even decent players like jarvis will come in and command top wages (for a club like saints)..... what you are saying, is that you want the owners to pump over £100m into the club for nothing...they have already done so with £33m...so you are talking the owners pumping in £150m into the club and writing most of that off...... throw in a ground expansion..as we would NO WAY sustain said CL with 32k fans...so you would need the owners to throw in another £10-15m (so not to take from the fist team etc) hmmm, if that happens, I will believe we can challenge arsenal for 3-4th spots Edited 7 May, 2012 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Totally agree. No reason why we shouldn't aim that high though. Because it's very unrealistic. Any sensible business sets goals which will stretch themselves, but are realistically achievable. It's basic common sense. If you think qualifying for the Champs League should be in our 5 year plan then that that's up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle saint Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Maybe this is what Nicola has in mind when he floats the possibility of a new stadium. An interesting article on how modern designs can boost revenue. [url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17977841" I'm sure those of us who have to endure the journey from the north or who queue to cross the bridge would happily forgo those experiences as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 We have billionare owners, don't you get it. We don't really. We're owend by the Estate of Markus, there is some funding there to use, but we're not really run by billionaires. We are being run sustainably with the long-term ambition of fielding our youth team prospects. I wouldn't have thought it's ever been in the remit to spend £50m on players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Which, if you actually read the thread, is not relevant any more due to the financial regulations coming in next year, is it? The whole point is that it would have been impossible for those clubs to do what they've done within the financial regulations about to be implemented. Yeah, and if you looked at how rich clubs are getting around that, you'd know that there is nothing to stop large bundles of cash from being ploughed into the club via sponsorship deals. You only have to look at Manchester City's £300M sponsorship deal with Etihad. A few clubs have had a moan, but UEFA haven't stopped it and the precedent has now been set. Clubs get to technically live within their means, but same end result. You'll still be able to buy titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 (edited) Whilst I always think I'm a realist, certain members of my family.. sometimes.. call me a pessimist. ¨ However, I was optimistic enough to think we'd finish " top six this season" (finished) mainly because I expected better performances from WHam and Leicester in particular (who spent a LOT of money pre-season). Both Blackpool and Brum were also in my calculations, and they made it. I am surprised that Brighton didn't do better - after last seasons run, but not surprised by Peterboro' who continue to leak goals at the back - despite continuing to score a lot themselves, (at one stage I really thought they go back down). But now - it's BIG league! I think that Norwich and Swansea (not an outstanding side last season) have shown that it's possible to survive in the Prem. Where they succeeded this season, (and QPR have almost failed) is to cultivate a good stable club environment both in and outside the dressing room and keep a stable squad. The nucleaus of Saints' squad is from the L1 days, and they will, naturally, in time move on; either through age or (lack of) ability to adjust to the higher level. Based on that I think we'll hold our own for two seasons, but the real test will be who replaces the present first teamers in 2014. We will (no surprises) buy in half-a dozen " more experienced players " between now and then - and hopefully see the balance generate up through the Academy ranks, or that concept will have failed. Though it is interesting to see that only a handful of players in the Prem's top six sides have come through their respective Academies, so it is by no means a foregone conclusion that future success lies there (either for them - or for Saints.) So assuming I'm still on track; I say midtable and survival for two years. and IF Nigel is still here (no reason to suppose he won't be) AND we handle the generation shift ...outside chance of a Cup or two, and at best a place in the top six thereafter 2015 - ????. To be more optimistic than that ?...consult Messers Cortese and Adkins. Edited 7 May, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 We have billionare owners, don't you get it. Thing is, unless dear old Markus called Nicky over on his deathbed and said "Here you are old pal, have half a billion (and this watch) for the Saints and take us all the way", it's substantially unlikely we will ever be able to compete at the top of the game. Such an action would have gone against a lifetimes habits of hard work, invention and Liebherr business acumen. Billionaire's are billionaires for a reason and whilst Markus has a track record full of ambition, he was at heart a practical businessman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 (edited) I think there's a difference between expecting Champion's League football next season and writing it off per se... Couple of points. 1. A lot of the money that Ashley 'invested in Newcastle' was not buying playing talent but paying off massive debts. He then brought in the ABSOLUTE KEY to any success - a manager who can attract/identify/bring in great players. 2. To regularly challange for top honours would require a significant annual investment in wages - let alone transfer fees. It's not buying the £10-25m players that's the issue (and forget the £50/60ms you hear banded about, I reckon those days are over - the transfer fee bubble has or will burst). It's the fact that these players will have to be on £50-150k per week. Why? Because if they are not, they will leave and go to a club who will pay that... 3. Ultimately there is no reason we cannot copy the Arsenal model which is to try to challenge without stretching the finances to breaking point. And, in my view, if the manager there was less intransigent, they could have challenged for top honours much more regularly. I'm no tactical genius but every great team does have a great spine (or at least a very reliable back five) as well as its talent... Arguably, Southampton is at least as attractive a proposition as Manchester City was - well maybe slightly less because of the smaller stadium - but the catchment area is now massive with our neighbours going pop... So, it is not a case of can Nicola and Nige do the business for us next season or the season after, but can you foresee the circumstances in which it is feasible for us to be such a club. And I can. In 1982, I thought Liverpool would win the league forever.... Edited 7 May, 2012 by Legod Third Coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I think there's a difference between expecting Champion's League football next season and writing it off per se... Is anyone actually writing it off? As far as I can say, the general feeling is that finshing top 4 is pretty unlikely but possible, but becoming an established Champions League side is a bit of a pipe dream. Everton have been used as an example of what we could achieve. But lets just remember that Everton finished 4th (once), and didn't even get through to the group stages of the Champions League, they were knocked out in the premilinaries. So it effectively made little difference to them, as they haven't really come all that close to finishing top 4 since. But they are a solid, above mid-table side in the PL and a fair target for what we should aspire to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 well, as said... when I see over £100m pumped into the club I will then believe we may finished 4th once or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 . \:o/ \:o/ \:o/ We Are Saints Web, We'll Dream What We Want ! \:o/ \:o/ \:o/ . Too fricken right - this whole malarky is about dreams, and why let pragmatism and realism get in the way? For years most of you criticised Lowe for NOT building on teh success of 2003 when we finished 8th in the prem and investing to take us on.... now all of a sudden with a better ownership structure, astute leadership with ambition, everyone has about turned and is all serious with 'no chance' - well what the feck, you want it both ways? are you now agreeing with Lowe, that there was no point in investing, we did not need ambition as long as we survived? All I desire is aspiration. Aspiration built on a solid financially stable platform, great team spirit and a group of players who WANT to be here. BIt at the same time, if you have no desire, or dreams about what might be possible (no matter how small teh chance) then why bother? Why spend £600+ a year supporting a side that you happily admit will do well to survive? what's the point? sounds like a waste of money to me. Yes, money is neede dto atract and keep quality - but yu still have to set your standards high and aim for the top, or you may as well go watch those down the road.... and since when has realism ever played a part in supporting your side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Is anyone actually writing it off? As far as I can say, the general feeling is that finshing top 4 is pretty unlikely but possible, but becoming an established Champions League side is a bit of a pipe dream. Everton have been used as an example of what we could achieve. But lets just remember that Everton finished 4th (once), and didn't even get through to the group stages of the Champions League, they were knocked out in the premilinaries. So it effectively made little difference to them, as they haven't really come all that close to finishing top 4 since. But they are a solid, above mid-table side in the PL and a fair target for what we should aspire to be. Bit of a difference between aiming for a top 4 spot and becoming an established Champions League side. No one has said the aim is to be a new Arsenal, as you say Everton level is achievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Why spend £600+ a year supporting a side that you happily admit will do well to survive? what's the point? sounds like a waste of money to me. Yes, money is neede dto atract and keep quality - but yu still have to set your standards high and aim for the top, or you may as well go watch those down the road.... and since when has realism ever played a part in supporting your side? If you only supported sides that had a chance of winning the title, there would be quite a lot fewer sides in the Premier League. We've won 1 major trophy in over 125 years of existence; if winning things is the be all and end all I'd suggest supporting Saints isn't the right idea. Sadly, the Premier League is, for a number of teams, a making up the numbers exercise in terms of actually winning it. No shame in admitting that. The club will still and try and win every game they play, and that's the point of supporting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Bit of a difference between aiming for a top 4 spot and becoming an established Champions League side. No one has said the aim is to be a new Arsenal, as you say Everton level is achievable. In LGTC's post, only about 3 or 4 above yours, that's exactly what he's suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 well, as said... when I see over £100m pumped into the club I will then believe we may finished 4th once or so Over half way there already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Bit of a difference between aiming for a top 4 spot and becoming an established Champions League side. No one has said the aim is to be a new Arsenal, as you say Everton level is achievable. but that is what arsenal do....aim for top 4.. spurs are another example...1 top 4 finish and spend a frightening amount of money doing so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Over half way there already. in addition to that already..I mean from now....£100m from the family just to catch up with everton, spurs etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 in addition to that already..I mean from now....£100m from the family just to catch up with everton You think it would take £100m to catch up with Everton? Yes, their squad is better than ours, but no where near £100m better. Plus Saints have an advantage over Everton in that they already have a modern stadium and although Everton's Finch Farm training ground and academy is good, it isn't as good as Staplewood will be when construction has finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 You think it would take £100m to catch up with Everton? Yes, their squad is better than ours, but no where near £100m better. Plus Saints have an advantage over Everton in that they already have a modern stadium and although Everton's Finch Farm training ground and academy is good, it isn't as good as Staplewood will be when construction has finished. wages, stadium expansion. player purchases...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 In LGTC's post, only about 3 or 4 above yours, that's exactly what he's suggesting. I don't think by "follow the Arsenal model" he means we will be as big as Arsenal, more the way they do it. I've sat down and had a chat with one of the backroom staff when we were League 1, when he told me Cortese's ambitions I laughed. 22 months later we are in the Prem. CL football is very unlikely, but I think you will find the aspirations deadly serious, and from what I have seen so far we are well placed to punch above our weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 wages, stadium expansion. player purchases...... As I said, Everton are behind Saints in terms of stadium, training ground and academy. It is them that need to catch up. Everton's average attendance this season is... 32,879 which is similar to what Saints will average next season. Plus that Everton figure is added by their stadium being over 40,000 so for some games they could get more to boost the average. If anything it shows Southampton's match going fanbase is probably larger in theory. As for wages and player purchases, Bill Kenwright isn't exactly last of the big spenders. Saints wages will be largely funded by Premier League TV money, just as Everton's currently is. The main thing where Saints are behind Everton is quality of the 1st team squad. It certainly wouldn't need anywhere near £100m to make up that difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 As I said, Everton are behind Saints in terms of stadium, training ground and academy. It is them that need to catch up. Everton's average attendance this season is... 32,879 which is similar to what Saints will average next season. Plus that Everton figure is added by their stadium being over 40,000 so for some games they could get more to boost the average. If anything it shows Southampton's match going fanbase is probably larger. As for wages and player purchases, Bill Kenwright isn't exactly last of the big spenders. Saints wages will be largely funded by Premier League TV money, just as Everton's currently is. The main thing where Saints are behind Everton is quality of the 1st team squad. It certainly wouldn't need anywhere near £100m to make up that difference. im not going to go round and round in circles with you...with sms at 32k to have a chance at top 4 it would need to be bigger...simple as that everton spend over £60m a year on wages....lets see if we get anywhere near that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 If you only supported sides that had a chance of winning the title, there would be quite a lot fewer sides in the Premier League. We've won 1 major trophy in over 125 years of existence; if winning things is the be all and end all I'd suggest supporting Saints isn't the right idea. Sadly, the Premier League is, for a number of teams, a making up the numbers exercise in terms of actually winning it. No shame in admitting that. The club will still and try and win every game they play, and that's the point of supporting it. Correct...but you are being pragmatic and not a dreamer! On a serious note, would be interesting to see a kind of points v spend table over say 10 years of prem... a kind of relative best side - who has over achived most consistenty and see what elarnings there are from sides that have done better than others spending millions more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I don't think by "follow the Arsenal model" he means we will be as big as Arsenal, more the way they do it. I've sat down and had a chat with one of the backroom staff when we were League 1, when he told me Cortese's ambitions I laughed. 22 months later we are in the Prem. CL football is very unlikely, but I think you will find the aspirations deadly serious, and from what I have seen so far we are well placed to punch above our weight. I've already said; there's absolutely nothing wrong with having that as an aim. Every club will surely set out with the ambition of trying to win every game they play in, which is as it should be. And I'm sure Cortese will want to achieve as much as he can as a club owner, and will put in place measures for us to grow and improve. The point is the expectation level of where we can get to. And for all the desire of finishing in the top 4 its a fantastically difficult thing to; not just now, but even if we can prove we need to expand and can consistently fill a 40K stadium further down the line. Nothing wrong for aiming at the likes of Sunderland, Everton, and aside from this year Villa as a potential of where we can possibly get to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 It'll be great if in 5 years teams like leicester are saying "well if we follow the southampton model there is no reason why we can't achieve what they have". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Let's get ourselves established in the division before looking too far ahead eh? Hopefully top 10 in 3 years and look again then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 im not going to go round and round in circles with you...with sms at 32k to have a chance at top 4 it would need to be bigger...simple as that everton spend over £60m a year on wages....lets see if we get anywhere near that... Evertons £60m on wages was from the year burnley were relgated just read on the 2010/2011 football wages list that they spend circa £70m+ per season on wages.. that is the level we will have to spend for top 6 I dread to think what newcastle are spending on wages this season...an absolute fortune...for the pleasure of europa league football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Evertons £60m on wages was from the year burnley were relgated just read on the 2010/2011 football wages list that they spend circa £70m+ per season on wages.. that is the level we will have to spend for top 6 I dread to think what newcastle are spending on wages this season...an absolute fortune...for the pleasure of europa league football And as MLG has told you, despite spending all that money their fans have obviously got a bit disillusioned with life outside the top 4 and crowds have dwindled to 32K. shows how difficult it will be to generate crowds above that level, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 And as MLG has told you, despite spending all that money their fans have obviously got a bit disillusioned with life outside the top 4 and crowds have dwindled to 32K. shows how difficult it will be to generate crowds above that level, surely? agree....but no two clubs are the same. etc etc also, another one for the top 4 luvvies...the season that burnley went down (couple of years ago)..the top 5 clubs...spent well over £100m in wages. throw in spurs to the mix now...that is top 6 clubs......like I said, I should imagine newcastle right now are spending an absolute fortune too it will need a huge investment to "compete" at the top end of the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 And as MLG has told you, despite spending all that money their fans have obviously got a bit disillusioned with life outside the top 4 and crowds have dwindled to 32K. shows how difficult it will be to generate crowds above that level, surely? Southampton averaged similar to that when they finished 20th and were relegated. If anything it shows Saints possibly have a larger matching going fanbase than Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Southampton averaged similar to that when they finished 20th and were relegated. If anything it shows Saints possibly have a larger matching going fanbase than Everton. It doesn't actually; it shows that comparing a set of statistics from nearly 10 years apart is completely meaningless, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I think the OP raises a good point. We don't know what the original plan was, but any plan in my experience gets re-baselined on a periodic basis, particularly if it over or under-achieves.. A couple of points in DP's post about planning. The first I mention because I happened to be over on holiday and in the crowd for that game and it was hard to believe we were in the third division. I'm already waiting for the fixture list for next season and getting a friend on the task of obtaining for me early season tickets. Secondly, the point about Lowe seeing an opportunity (the reverse buy-out) and we are now seeing a different game. FFS we had a sell out against EXETER, and you wonder about the crowd for Wigan? LOWE - had no plan. He had an Opportunity he had no idea what to do with it. NC is NOT that stupid, he will cover ALL eventualities Somebody pointed out Mancity averaged 16k in the third div, and whilst we aren't going to get silly money spent on players like they have I think it's a question of what we can achieve through obviously intelligent and committed management. I'd bet on stadium expansion sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 What I was suggesting as regards Arsenal is that we can achieve exactly what they have. Moved from a 40k stadium to a 60k stadium and have borrowed accordingly - not spunked money on the team in the way Citeh and Chelsea have done. Kraken, you say that no-one is writing off CL contention but in a heartbeat refer to us challenging regularly as a 'pipe-dream'. Why?? Chelsea were an average top six Premiership side (maybe finished as high as second under Vialli or Tinkerman, can't remember) at best before the Russian arrived, now they challenge regularly for the Champion's league. So why are Southampton immune from this investment good fortune?? I can well remember Arsenal being a very ordinary mid-table side living in the shadow of Queens Park Fecking Rangers!!! (And I distinctly remember watching Newcastle, Fulham and Manchester Citeh ply their trade in the lower reaches of the old second and even third division). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Somebody pointed out Mancity averaged 16k in the third div, and whilst we aren't going to get silly money spent on players like they have I think it's a question of what we can achieve through obviously intelligent and committed management. I'd bet on stadium expansion sooner than later. No they didn't, they averaged 28K in the third division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 What I was suggesting as regards Arsenal is that we can achieve exactly what they have. Moved from a 40k stadium to a 60k stadium and have borrowed accordingly - not spunked money on the team in the way Citeh and Chelsea have done. Kraken, you say that no-one is writing off CL contention but in a heartbeat refer to us challenging regularly as a 'pipe-dream'. Why?? Chelsea were an average top six Premiership side (maybe finished as high as second under Vialli or Tinkerman, can't remember) at best before the Russian arrived, now they challenge regularly for the Champion's league. So why are Southampton immune from this investment good fortune?? I can well remember Arsenal being a very ordinary mid-table side living in the shadow of Queens Park Fecking Rangers!!! (And I distinctly remember watching Newcastle, Fulham and Manchester Citeh ply their trade in the lower reaches of the old second and even third division). You do realise how much those 60k seats go for at the Emirates? And you seriously think we could do the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 What I was suggesting as regards Arsenal is that we can achieve exactly what they have. Moved from a 40k stadium to a 60k stadium and have borrowed accordingly - not spunked money on the team in the way Citeh and Chelsea have done. Kraken, you say that no-one is writing off CL contention but in a heartbeat refer to us challenging regularly as a 'pipe-dream'. Why?? Chelsea were an average top six Premiership side (maybe finished as high as second under Vialli or Tinkerman, can't remember) at best before the Russian arrived, now they challenge regularly for the Champion's league. So why are Southampton immune from this investment good fortune?? I can well remember Arsenal being a very ordinary mid-table side living in the shadow of Queens Park Fecking Rangers!!! (And I distinctly remember watching Newcastle, Fulham and Manchester Citeh ply their trade in the lower reaches of the old second and even third division). city and chelsea have not really borrowed anything.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Southampton averaged similar to that when they finished 20th and were relegated. If anything it shows Saints possibly have a larger matching going fanbase than Everton. Utter bollix. http://www.toffeeweb.com/history/records/attendances.asp and in any case talking of revenues have you any idea what percentage of matchday revenue is typical average for a top 6 club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Kraken, you say that no-one is writing off CL contention but in a heartbeat refer to us challenging regularly as a 'pipe-dream'. Why?? Chelsea were an average top six Premiership side (maybe finished as high as second under Vialli or Tinkerman, can't remember) at best before the Russian arrived, now they challenge regularly for the Champion's league. So why are Southampton immune from this investment good fortune?? Unless I've been reading incorrectly, the Nicola Cortese I've seen has consistently said that the aim for Southampton is to be run as a sustainable enterprise. In other words, we will live within our means and not rely upon a rich sugar-daddy to throw good money after bad at us. We are seeing some investment in the training ground, and I wouldn't rule out at some point some investment in the stadium to bring it up in capacity. What our owners will not do, in the case of Chelsea and Man city, is run up enormous debts on the playing side year after year. Take away Abramovic's (and before him Matthew Harding) propping up of the club and you have a club the size of Everton, Villa, Sunderland. Without that investment, that's where they'll return to. And I don't see Cortese being as liberal with the purse strings as Abramovic; hence why I think its a pipe dream to emulate Chelsea. Can't believe I had to justify that, to be honest. I'd have thought it was fairly clear. Guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Utter bollix. http://www.toffeeweb.com/history/records/attendances.asp and in any case talking of revenues have you any idea what percentage of matchday revenue is typical average for a top 6 club? MLG proven wrong as usual This thread is getting silly now with posters suggesting we're better supported than Everton and Man City and on a par with Arsenal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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