Turkish Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Let me open your eyes, if not your mind. So Newcastle spend £10 million on Cisse and that justifies your argument that they are a big club. So remind me how much we got for Oxlade-Chamberlain? How much would Bale be worth today? Walcott? Either we now begin to keep those sorts of player from our academy, in which case we could argue that our team comprises several players worth far more than the likes of Cisse, or we sell them to a bigger club and gain more money than Cisse is worth. Do you see? Aston Villa sold Downing, Milner, Barry and Young for more than Cisse cost aNd spent 16m in Bent and are fighting a relegation battle. Based on your theory why aren't they fighting for 4th spot instead of relegation? Do you see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Aston Villa spent Over £120m on transfers between 2008 and 2011 and never finished higher than 6th and are fighting a relegation battle this season. How do you propose we do better? This season = Big Eck = Sh.it manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I'm most likely in a minority of 1 but I'd take a Wembley win and relegation next season. I would as well. Only get a couple of Wembley wins in a life time, would always be confident of bouncing back soon enough if we got relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 You think a club the size of Saints getting promoted from the Championship and qualifying for Champions League football are comparable achievements? Go away and take a look at who has qualified for it in the last 10 years. Even Newcastle, a massive club, hugely over-achieving and having their best season in many, many years, with Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool regularly f******g up and it still looks like they'll end up with Europa League football. If Everton can, we can. It's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 If Everton can, we can. It's as simple as that. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Why? Because their owners are as tight as a camel's arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Aston Villa spent Over £120m on transfers between 2008 and 2011 and never finished higher than 6th and are fighting a relegation battle this season. How do you propose we do better? They might have spent £120 million but how much did they recoup ? You cant go waving figures about if you are only going to present 50% of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Let me open your eyes, if not your mind. So Newcastle spend £10 million on Cisse and that justifies your argument that they are a big club. So remind me how much we got for Oxlade-Chamberlain? How much would Bale be worth today? Walcott? Either we now begin to keep those sorts of player from our academy, in which case we could argue that our team comprises several players worth far more than the likes of Cisse, or we sell them to a bigger club and gain more money than Cisse is worth. Do you see? I find it unfortunate that you have to resort to phrases like 'open your eyes, if not your mind', 'pimply youths' as its a sure fire sign you're losing your argument. On the basis we are very, very lucky and have a repeat of the quality of talent of Bale, Walcott and Chamberlain come through the ranks, they would still be off when one of the big 4 come knocking. Yes we'd get a shed load of cash, but as has been shown before, what good did that do the likes of West Ham, Aston Villa when they sold their best young players. There is no precedent for a club our size qualifying for.the Champions League for a reason? Has it crossed your mind why? Even with all the multi-millions pumped into other football clubs? Even the likes of Spurs and Liverpool have found it a massive struggle and hope each year they might just scrape in with a bit of luck. If we read on other clubs of a similar size forum that they were expecting Champs League football in the next 5 years we would rightly take the p**s out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 They might have spent £120 million but how much did they recoup ? You cant go waving figures about if you are only going to present 50% of the story. Take a look for yourself. A net total of almost £70m in the period I mentioned. £38m on incoming money from the sale of Barry and Milner, which makes them a massive club based on Les Benders view that if you receive these sort of fees it means you should be challenging for the champions league. £70m net spend, to finish 6th. http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I'd suggest you check a dictionary for the definition of 'reality', if you think us doing what Norwich had done the previous season constitutes 'beyond' that and is on a par with a club our size qualifying for the Champs League. For what it's worth I didn't expect us to finish top two this season just gone. But I'd have considered it a much more realistic and likely scenario for a club our size than Champs League qualification within the next 5 years which is what this thread is about. The new financial regulations will make it harder for clubs our size to compete with the bigger club. I assure you that I don't need to look in a dictionary to know the meaning of reality. And I'd suggest that my comprehension of the language is clearly better than yours too. For example, you somehow manage to conclude that because I had agreed that promotion to the Premiership in successive seasons was a good example to illustrate how the improbable was possible, you have construed it in your mind to mean that it is on a par with us achieving Champions League football. Obviously it is not. It was purely an example to the doubters that even unlikely or improbable outcomes are not impossible. Do you see the difference? And how do you arrive at the conclusion that the financial regulations will make it harder to compete with the bigger clubs. It will favour those clubs like us who bring through players from an academy for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 (edited) If Everton can, we can. It's as simple as that. Very strange logic. No-one says it is impossible, just very, very unlikely and therefore a ridiculous aim to have in a '5 year plan' for our club. The fact that you can only pick out a one off from 7 years ago demonstrates my point further. Edited 7 May, 2012 by Sour Mash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I assure you that I don't need to look in a dictionary to know the meaning of reality. And I'd suggest that my comprehension of the language is clearly better than yours too. For example, you somehow manage to conclude that because I had agreed that promotion to the Premiership in successive seasons was a good example to illustrate how the improbable was possible, you have construed it in your mind to mean that it is on a par with us achieving Champions League football. Obviously it is not. It was purely an example to the doubters that even unlikely or improbable outcomes are not impossible. Do you see the difference? And how do you arrive at the conclusion that the financial regulations will make it harder to compete with the bigger clubs. It will favour those clubs like us who bring through players from an academy for a start. Who has said it is 'impossible'? You haven even bothered reading this thread have you? Which makes your posts a complete waste of time. Do you even know what the subject of this thread is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcuk fan Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 . \:o/ \:o/ \:o/ We Are Saints Web, We'll Dream What We Want ! \:o/ \:o/ \:o/ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I find it unfortunate that you have to resort to phrases like 'open your eyes, if not your mind', 'pimply youths' as its a sure fire sign you're losing your argument. On the basis we are very, very lucky and have a repeat of the quality of talent of Bale, Walcott and Chamberlain come through the ranks, they would still be off when one of the big 4 come knocking. Yes we'd get a shed load of cash, but as has been shown before, what good did that do the likes of West Ham, Aston Villa when they sold their best young players. There is no precedent for a club our size qualifying for.the Champions League for a reason? Has it crossed your mind why? Even with all the multi-millions pumped into other football clubs? Even the likes of Spurs and Liverpool have found it a massive struggle and hope each year they might just scrape in with a bit of luck. If we read on other clubs of a similar size forum that they were expecting Champs League football in the next 5 years we would rightly take the p**s out of them. Well, your point about Cisse as an example of Newcastle being a bigger club than us was clearly a weak one when consideration is given to the value of players brought through our ranks and the other example of Ba in the Newcastle team who is the equal of Cisse and was a free. If you wish to dismiss that as losing the argument because of a derogatory off the cuff remark that many of the doubters probably do not have any sort of historical perspective because of their age, then go ahead. As for the examples of other clubs that have sold their best youngsters and not benefitted, that is again a bit of a red-herring. When we had to sell our best yougsters, it was because we had to do so to balance the books. That situation is now changed and we do not have sell players for financial reasons. Whether benefit is derived from selling youngsters depends on what one does with the income from it. If that is ploughed back in to the team or the infrastructure, then positive benefits will acrue for the club's future prospects. As for there being no precedent for a club our size qualifying for Europe, then that is an argument against our club at its current size. But then it is not the plan that we will remain this size, is it? And I'm sorry to disappoint; if there was some other club of a similar size expecting Champions Leaugue football in the next 5 years, I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand like you. I'd weigh up the factors regarding their ownership, manager, potential for increasing revenue streams through expansion etc, before making a decision as to whether it was a possibility. And I'd admire their ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 If we pay what everyone do in wages any time soon. I will be amazed. They pay a frcking fortune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Whilst I'd love to see Saints reach the giddy heights of CL football I have to conclude that anyone who actually sees us doing it in the short term is clearly 'kin nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Who has said it is 'impossible'? You haven even bothered reading this thread have you? Which makes your posts a complete waste of time. Do you even know what the subject of this thread is? The only posts I haven't read are those from Turkish as a) he is on ignore and b) they are not worth reading anyway. Regrettably, people often quote them for some reason, which makes a mockery of the ignore function. And as you view my posts as a complete waste of time, I assume that you won't be answering any more of them. However, I will continue to respond to yours where I disagree with your opinion. That is what this forum is supposed to be about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I'd settle for a well run club, bringing through their own players that actually takes cup competions seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 hope nige and the players dont read this stuff, so negative ... reminds me of the thread last year talking about how realistic promotion was, countless people saying 10th or so in the league. personally i think cortese is pure ambition, he will want more, if not this first season then the next ... and i think the squad and nige will carry the momentum forward as swansea and norwich have done, we have a very tight team unit now who are well established, i think we will suprise everyone, i dont know what that equates to in terms of measurable success, but i think we will surprise people, even ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 If the administrators of the game, here and in Europe stick with their fair play plans, it will become less easy for owners to buy the title as per Chelski and El Mancity so its hard to predict where the game will be in 5 years. Living within a club's means is not just about containing costs, it also means increasing income and Saints are miles away from national merchandise sales a la Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. We are also behind a lot of Prem clubs on ground capacity, so it will be interesting to see what happens on the infrastructure front as well as on the field, although the team performance is obviously crucial. It must be the case that the 5 or 6 clubs with a national profile have an advantage that will be very hard to catch up to, but some of those can slip away as we have seen a few of them do occasionally in the past Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I'd settle for a well run club, bringing through their own players that actually takes cup competions seriously. Exactly what most normal supporters hope for and realistically expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 (edited) "CL = Not a hope in hell. Anything else = Why not." Well put. My view exactly. Having read all of the various arguments, I can find no rationale that could ever see us qualifying for the CL. We however could quite possibly be challenging for a PL finish of 5-8 and a cup run every year. Thats a sustainable goal for a club of our size and whilst Cortese is here, I'm fairly confident we will do it. When he and the Liebherr family move on, the biggest gift they can give us, will be no debt and a sustainable business model. Edited 7 May, 2012 by Brussels Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 "CL = Not a hope in hell. Anything else = Why not." Well put. My view exactly. Having read all of the various arguments, I can find no rationale that could ever see us qualifying for the CL. We however could quite possibly be challenging for a PL finish of 5-8 and a cup run every year. Thats a sustainable goal for a club of our size and whilst Cortese is here, I'm fairly confident we will do it. When he and the Liebherr family move on, the biggest gift they can give us, will be no debt and a sustainable business model. I think most of us normal people think the same. 5-8th every season and a good shot at the cups would be a great achievement and a realistic aim. The feet stamping, finger in ear "the champions league is possible , it is, it is, it is" brigade are seriously deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I just want to see us win a cup. The FA Cup if possible. Being in the prem makes it a lot more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I just want to see us win a cup. The FA Cup if possible. Being in the prem makes it a lot more likely. Although apart from.the dirty, cheating skates, look at the sort of teams winning the FA Cup over the less 20 years. More realistic, but still pretty much boxed off by the big clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I wouldn't like to see saints aiming for the CL as that would be silly and could end up stretching us far further than we can go as a club. I'd like us only to concentrate on a decent league position (top 10 is a good target). Good cup runs are nice, but should never be our focus, why would we put the cup above the league? Europa league would be amazing. If we ever got into the CL it would be on the back of results that could never be predicted or expected. It would probably be partly down to fluke a one-off run and would doubtless create future expectations that we could never live up to. I don't want to see it in any serious plan, but I would like to see Saints aiming for Europa league qualification sometime in the next five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 (edited) It'll be interesting to see what happens to Newcastle next year if they don't qualify for the Champions League. There are already indications that the big clubs will be in for Cisse, and perhaps some of their other players. Tottenham are in the same camp too, they've already admitted they have a massive battle in keeping hold the likes of Modric and Bale. My point is, it indicates just how massively difficult it is to first make the step up from upper mid-table Premier League level to Champions League qualification. Players will get cherry picked off and, while the revenue always comes in handy, it makes it hugely difficult for managers to achieve stability and put plans in place when they're at risk of losing 1, 2, maybe 3 key players each season. Arguments about "build a bigger stadium, they will come" are a bit redundant when you look at the likes of Sunderland (49K stadium, never finished in the PL higher than 7th), Villa Park (43K stadium, not really done anything in the PL since the early 90s), Everton (40 stadium qualified for Champions League once, didn't even make the group stages). These are established clubs, and in Everton & Villa with a history of winning things at European level, yet who regularly are a mile away from making the step up the Champions League spots. Is it possible we could qualify for the Champions League one day? Of course it is, albeit very unlikely. But there simply has to be a bit of realism that, if we did by some miracle finish 4th one year (or even 5th, 6th, 7th), our best players would be tempted away to bigger clubs, making the job to qualify that high again even more difficult. Edited 7 May, 2012 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I suppose all those who say that CL qualification is impossible live in a parallel universe in which neither Chelsea, Blackburn Rovers or Man City bought their way into the Champions League spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Man City have spent near on £600m, not just on players, but wages, infrastructure, stadium purchasing etc. We will not achieve what they have as we do not have that finance. It's fair to dream, but you have to be realistic about it... I think you could rightly argue that man city have wasted most of that money with redundant players and manager changes. Also their youh set up isn't a scratch on ours. You people are ridiculous. Imagine a team with bale and oxlade on the wings, lallana behind the front 2 and lambert and walcott upfront. Cost to saints. £1.2m to saints. Result- champtions league attack. Get real, we literally have the best youth academy in england in the last 5 years. And if a league 1 oxlade can play champions league in 5months, then what do you think warde prowse et all can do. WE ARE GOING TO THE TOP. be pessimistic if you want, but in 5 years we will be champions league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I suppose all those who say that CL qualification is impossible live in a parallel universe in which neither Chelsea, Blackburn Rovers or Man City bought their way into the Champions League spots. Which, if you actually read the thread, is not relevant any more due to the financial regulations coming in next year, is it? The whole point is that it would have been impossible for those clubs to do what they've done within the financial regulations about to be implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I think you could rightly argue that man city have wasted most of that money with redundant players and manager changes. Also their youh set up isn't a scratch on ours. You people are ridiculous. Imagine a team with bale and oxlade on the wings, lallana behind the front 2 and lambert and walcott upfront. Cost to saints. £1.2m to saints. Result- champtions league attack. Get real, we literally have the best youth academy in england in the last 5 years. And if a league 1 oxlade can play champions league in 5months, then what do you think warde prowse et all can do. WE ARE GOING TO THE TOP. be pessimistic if you want, but in 5 years we will be champions league. No disrepect, but the people who think we'll be in the champions league in the short-term are ridiclous. 'Imagine a team' is exactly it...we have to imagine it, because we sold them all as bigger clubs tempt them away. That won't change in the premier league, although we may be able to keep hold of them a year longer. We are talking decades if we're relying on our youth players to come through and propel us onto the next level, in the short-term we'd need to spend 50-100m - which we will not do. If other fans were reading this they'd be laughing their socks off, it's embarrassing. We've just come up from the Championship. Calm down people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Which, if you actually read the thread, is not relevant any more due to the financial regulations coming in next year, is it? The whole point is that it would have been impossible for those clubs to do what they've done within the financial regulations about to be implemented. Exactly. Plus look at how much Chelsea and Man City have spent to get where they are. It's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I think you could rightly argue that man city have wasted most of that money with redundant players and manager changes. Also their youh set up isn't a scratch on ours. You people are ridiculous. Imagine a team with bale and oxlade on the wings, lallana behind the front 2 and lambert and walcott upfront. Cost to saints. £1.2m to saints. Result- champtions league attack. Get real, we literally have the best youth academy in england in the last 5 years. And if a league 1 oxlade can play champions league in 5months, then what do you think warde prowse et all can do. WE ARE GOING TO THE TOP. be pessimistic if you want, but in 5 years we will be champions league. :lol: And you have the nerve to call other people ridiculous. :lol: Lallana and Lambert have never played Premier League before but suddenly they are Champions League level. AOC is a great talent but hasn't yet burst through to first team level at Arsenal. Walcott is similarly in and out of the Arsenal team. I can only think you're a brilliant WUM. If so, congratulations, you got me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Very strange logic. No-one says it is impossible, just very, very unlikely and therefore a ridiculous aim to have in a '5 year plan' for our club. The fact that you can only pick out a one off from 7 years ago demonstrates my point further. I never said it was likely, just possible. Everton proved that. Most people thought that automatic promotion this year was "very unlikely". It's quite clear from this thread that Cortese is way more ambitious and open minded than the average hobbit-like Sotonian. Thank god we have someone like him in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Don't want us in the Champions League thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Now that Saints have completed the 5 year plan in 3, what should we aim for for the next 5 years? Should we dream big or is that not being realistic? At the awards dinner, Rickie Lambert said he thought Saints were going all the way to the top. For me that means competing for the premiership title. In the past Nicola has reportably said Champions League qualification is our aim and there's talk about expanding the stadium. Where do you think we'll be in 2017, realistically and dreaming big? I would settle for a good cup run and premiership stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I never said it was likely, just possible. Everton proved that. Most people thought that automatic promotion this year was "very unlikely". It's quite clear from this thread that Cortese is way more ambitious and open minded than the average hobbit-like Sotonian. Thank god we have someone like him in charge. I just don't get this attitude. Just because many believe we won't establish ourselves as a CL team, it doesn't mean that we lack ambition. And Cortese can have all the ambition for it in the world, without the necessary resources available to us we are consistently going to come up short in that ambition. All Saints fans have a desire to see teh club finishing as high in the table as possible, perhaps winning a cup or two along the way, but living sustainably within our means so that we don't suffer an implosion of the likes of the one we've just recovered from. Ambition is not blindly sticking your fingers in your ears to the reality of just how hard that particular benchmark is to hit not just once but consistently as many are advocating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 You think a club the size of Saints getting promoted from the Championship and qualifying for Champions League football are comparable achievements? Go away and take a look at who has qualified for it in the last 10 years. Even Newcastle, a massive club, hugely over-achieving and having their best season in many, many years, with Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool regularly f******g up and it still looks like they'll end up with Europa League football. Ipswich, birmingham? get real dude, saints are going up!!! And Newcastle, 2 of those clubs achieved it within 2 years or promotion to the prem btw! Saints will do the same, or 3 maximum. Who are you shirveled up old men, the saints are back, Nigel is our cup winning, promotion winning manager, the new boys will come through, Lambert will lift a major cup before he retires!!! COYRS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I just don't get this attitude. Just because many believe we won't establish ourselves as a CL team, it doesn't mean that we lack ambition. And Cortese can have all the ambition for it in the world, without the necessary resources available to us we are consistently going to come up short in that ambition. All Saints fans have a desire to see teh club finishing as high in the table as possible, perhaps winning a cup or two along the way, but living sustainably within our means so that we don't suffer an implosion of the likes of the one we've just recovered from. Ambition is not blindly sticking your fingers in your ears to the reality of just how hard that particular benchmark is to hit not just once but consistently as many are advocating. Absolutely spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I just don't get this attitude. Just because many believe we won't establish ourselves as a CL team, it doesn't mean that we lack ambition. And Cortese can have all the ambition for it in the world, without the necessary resources available to us we are consistently going to come up short in that ambition. All Saints fans have a desire to see teh club finishing as high in the table as possible, perhaps winning a cup or two along the way, but living sustainably within our means so that we don't suffer an implosion of the likes of the one we've just recovered from. Ambition is not blindly sticking your fingers in your ears to the reality of just how hard that particular benchmark is to hit not just once but consistently as many are advocating. So, we wont aim for a top 4 spot because it would be very hard to achieve. Aim for something easy instead. That's ambition Southampton style! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Ipswich, birmingham? get real dude, saints are going up!!! And Newcastle, 2 of those clubs achieved it within 2 years or promotion to the prem btw! Saints will do the same, or 3 maximum. Who are you shirveled up old men, the saints are back, Nigel is our cup winning, promotion winning manager, the new boys will come through, Lambert will lift a major cup before he retires!!! COYRS!!!! Calm down. I have a feeling you'll be a very frustrated fan in the coming years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Ipswich, birmingham? get real dude, saints are going up!!! And Newcastle, 2 of those clubs achieved it within 2 years or promotion to the prem btw! Saints will do the same, or 3 maximum. Who are you shirveled up old men, the saints are back, Nigel is our cup winning, promotion winning manager, the new boys will come through, Lambert will lift a major cup before he retires!!! COYRS!!!! Jesus christ. Deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I think you could rightly argue that man city have wasted most of that money with redundant players and manager changes. Also their youh set up isn't a scratch on ours. You people are ridiculous. Imagine a team with bale and oxlade on the wings, lallana behind the front 2 and lambert and walcott upfront. Cost to saints. £1.2m to saints. Result- champtions league attack. Get real, we literally have the best youth academy in england in the last 5 years. And if a league 1 oxlade can play champions league in 5months, then what do you think warde prowse et all can do. WE ARE GOING TO THE TOP. be pessimistic if you want, but in 5 years we will be champions league. Genuinely one of the funniest things I have read in ages. If we do fantastically well in the next 5 years we might find ourselves expecting a top ten finish every season. After that, if we do fantastically well again and the club keeps growing, we might find ourselves thinking about a chance of a top 6 finish one year, if we're lucky. Nobody should even mention the Champions League until that happens, and I would be amazed if it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 So, we wont aim for a top 4 spot because it would be very hard to achieve. Aim for something easy instead. That's ambition Southampton style! That's not what he said at all? If Nicola's ambition is for us to be in the top 4, then he will need to invest insane amounts of money in the short-term to get us there. If he does that then we can get excited. If he wants us to be sustainable, which I think we all believe is the case, then we will not achieve that. Consolidation, sustainability and mid-table premiership seasons is probably about us far as we can go without massive investment. I don't think that's lacking ambition, I think it's being pretty much realistic and the people who are dreaming of Top 4 are just setting themselves up for a fall. Next year will not be as easy as some are anticipating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I think you could rightly argue that man city have wasted most of that money with redundant players and manager changes. Also their youh set up isn't a scratch on ours. You people are ridiculous. Imagine a team with bale and oxlade on the wings, lallana behind the front 2 and lambert and walcott upfront. Cost to saints. £1.2m to saints. Result- champtions league attack. Get real, we literally have the best youth academy in england in the last 5 years. And if a league 1 oxlade can play champions league in 5months, then what do you think warde prowse et all can do. WE ARE GOING TO THE TOP. be pessimistic if you want, but in 5 years we will be champions league. such a massively bold statement we will not be CL in 5 years....simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 So, we wont aim for a top 4 spot because it would be very hard to achieve. Aim for something easy instead. That's ambition Southampton style! Are you a bit daft? Or just being deliberately obtuse? Of course we will aim to finish as high in the table as we can. I've already said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 The problem with Saints fans is that all those years at the Dell mean many are stuck with Dell-sized brains. I think many will be surprised at how big we can become and how successful we can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 The problem with Saints fans is that all those years at the Dell mean many are stuck with Dell-sized brains. I think many will be surprised at how big we can become and how successful we can be. I don't have a dell sized brain I think living away from the bubble that is the southampton area means I can see things (in general) objectively, it does not take a genius to figure that we would need to spend circa £100m on players and wages to even have a sniff at a top 4 finish...throw in brilliant management/scouting too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 The problem with Saints fans is that all those years at the Dell mean many are stuck with Dell-sized brains. Not at all......have you seen how much Villa spunked on players to scrape a top 6 finish? Have you seen what Man City are paying to achieve what they have? Look at what Liverpool have spunked to get near a top 8 finish. Newcastle also pay 60k p/w wages and spent £11m on a striker. When we start doing that, then we can start aiming high. Unfortunately without massive investment we will doddle around in mid-table. There's no getting away from that, and I've not seen any evidence that we will start to spend beyond our means - as that's what we'll need to do. I'm not sure why people seem to think we're going to turn into this mega club in a year or 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 :lol: And you have the nerve to call other people ridiculous. :lol: Lallana and Lambert have never played Premier League before but suddenly they are Champions League level. AOC is a great talent but hasn't yet burst through to first team level at Arsenal. Walcott is similarly in and out of the Arsenal team. I can only think you're a brilliant WUM. If so, congratulations, you got me [/quote Its equilibrium!!! And someone's got to do it! We will be the new Arsenal!! Nigel is our Wenger!!! Only he will actually win things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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