S-Clarke Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 You are still stuck in a Saints at The Dell and/or run by Guy Askham/Rupert Lowe complex. Things are different, Cortese has huge ambition and is backing up the ambition with evidence such as announcing a £15 million Champions League club quality training ground whilst in League One, and then starting construction of it whilst in the Championship. If Cortese merely wanted Saints like under Lowe to be a mid table Premier League team, he wouldn't bother with such a development and would reduce the scale and cost of it. Don't get me wrong, it's a great facility. - But all this development does is bring us up to standard with the likes of Stoke, Villa, Everton etc. To be fair, Villa's is much more impressive than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 And you're stuck in seeing what you want to see. I'm all for ambition and growing as big as we can, which IMO will (perhaps within 5 years) include increasing the size of stadium to around 40K. Which should see us comfortably mid-table Premier League level and upwards. I just have a limit on how far on from there I see us going, and while I hope that the sky is the limit logic dictates to me otherwise. So, well done for taking a completely incorrect assumption about me and trying to use it to suit your argument. Had Cortese said "we'll build one of the best training ground in Europe" and then failed like Milan Mandaric at Pompey did to start construction then I might agree with you. However Cortese in the 3 years at the club has led the club from 68th in England to the top 20 and is currently building a Champions League quality training ground and academy. That adds weight to any claim he makes about wanting Champions League football at Saints, he has evidence of backing up his claims and isn't a Michael Knighton figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Don't get me wrong, it's a great facility. - But all this development does is bring us up to standard with the likes of Stoke, Villa, Everton etc. To be fair, Villa's is much more impressive than ours. No it doesn't, the spec at Staplewood goes beyond that at any of the clubs you mentioned and is costing a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 MLG. just stop it, please we all know you think we are going to be some sort of mega club in the next 5 years....we are not but what ever floats your boat there is more chance of us getting relegated in the next 5 years than break into the top 4 getting a southampton team from league 1 to the prem is nothing compared to getting a newly promoted prem team to the CL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 stop it..please we are a long way off from newcastle of 2012....unless of course, we will finish top 6 next season straight away That doesn't answer any of my 3 questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 That doesn't answer any of my 3 questions. I could not care what your questions are as you will keep coming back and back again claiming we are on the path to be some sort of mega club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 I could not care what your questions are as you will keep coming back and back again claiming we are on the path to be some sort of mega club A truly bizarre way to debate someone. I asked you three reasonable questions in order for you to justify your £250m claim and then you back-pedal out of it. Too difficult to answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 A truly bizarre way to debate someone. I asked you three reasonable questions in order for you to justify your £250m claim and then you back-pedal out of it. Too difficult to answer? its not a debate with you...is it..you are like a relentless train..just keeps coming and coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Don't get me wrong, it's a great facility. - But all this development does is bring us up to standard with the likes of Stoke, Villa, Everton etc. To be fair, Villa's is much more impressive than ours. Hmm, worth reading this then... See link to Daily Mail further up - doesn't paste! By the way, when did Villa last produce a game changer like Chamberlain or Bale? And please don't quote me Gabby Agbonlognahore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 its not a debate with you...is it..you are like a relentless train..just keeps coming and coming I'm not the one that plucks a £250 million figure out of thin air and then when asked to justify such a claim refuses to do so and turns instead to personal insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 I'm not the one that plucks a £250 million figure out of thin air and then when asked to justify such a claim refuses to do so and turns instead to personal insults. that was quite reserved...just looking at what the top 4-6 clubs spend on players/wages......that is where(ish) we would have to be and that is over £100m per season on wages I would guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Has anyone mentioned, Newcastle got relegated with one of the biggest stadiums in the country? We need to tread carefully and slowly grow as a football club. We need some luck and some good players next season just to stay in the league. Mid table or above would take a lot of luck and some very shrewd buying in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 that was quite reserved... £250m is "quite reserved"! You think it would need a £250m net spend to get the Saints squad upto Newcastle's level? They haven't spent anywhere near that. just looking at what the top 4-6 clubs spend on players/wages......that is where(ish) we would have to be and that is over £100m per season on wages I would guess I think you need to guess again if you think Newcastle's wage budget is anywhere near £100m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 This thread is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 (edited) £250m is "quite reserved"! You think it would need a £250m net spend to get the Saints squad upto Newcastle's level? They haven't spent anywhere near that. I think you need to guess again if you think Newcastle's wage budget is anywhere near £100m. tell us how much it is.... also, we are talking CL football...they won't get CL football either...and as a result, wil do very well to keep their players, let alone get better ones in so to break into the top 4.....if this season is not a freak of a season so, we need to be as good as spurs and arsenal (as do newcastle it seems) Edited 10 May, 2012 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 tell us how much it is.... Their last accounts in March 2012 show turnover in 2010/11 in their first season back in the Premier League was £88.4m, and that includes the Carroll £35m deal. also, we are talking CL football...they won't get CL football either. They have one game to go and are 1 point point behind 4th and 2 points behind 3rd. Even if they don't make it, or Chelsea win the Champions League and deny them a CL spot they have shown they are capable of mounting a serious Champions League place challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 We weren't 68th when Cortese took over. 20 in the Premier League 24 in the Championship 24 in League One Saints started League One in 24th place with -10 points I make 20 + 24 + 24 = 68 What do you make it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Newcastle first XI that played Man City cost around £50m in total. Their wage bill is £34m. If we assume 3 year contracts that will be £102m before any bonuses. So there you have it. Jamie wasnt a millon miles away. For a first XI as good as Newcastles and that doesn't include squad players, just have a shot at possibly finishing 4th we are looking at a transfer and wage bill of £152m over 3 years. Just to possibly maybe, finish 4th, once. End of argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 (edited) 20 in the Premier League 24 in the Championship 24 in League One Saints started League One in 24th place with -10 points I make 20 + 24 + 24 = 68 What do you make it? Yep. My mistake. Hence deletion. Toss one off for me. Edited 10 May, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Newcastle first XI that played Man City cost around £50m in total. Their wage bill is £34m. If we assume 3 year contracts that will be £102m before any bonuses. So there you have it. Jamie wasnt a millon miles away. For a first XI as good as Newcastles and that doesn't include squad players, just have a shot at possibly finishing 4th we are looking at a transfer and wage bill of £152m over 3 years. Just to possibly maybe, finish 4th, once. End of argument. Argument far from over. He was suggesting it was an annual wage bill of £100m, not over the entire duration of the contract. In those same 3 years contracts you are talking about, Saints would bring in over £120 million from domestic TV rights. Let alone all the other revenue streams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Argument far from over. He was suggesting it was an annual wage bill of £100m, not over the entire duration of the contract. In those same 3 years contracts you are talking about, Saints would bring in over £120 million from domestic TV rights. Let alone all the other revenue streams. So what? You asked how much it would cost to get to Newcastles level. The answer is AT LEAST £152m. End of arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 So what? You asked how much it would cost to get to Newcastles level. The answer is AT LEAST £152m. But that isn't net spend. If you bring in £120 million during that period from domestic TV rights alone (let alone other revenue streams such as overseas broadcasting, merchandising, ticket sales, corporate, sponsorship, advertising etc etc) then is £152m really a big deal? Especially considering the financial rewards of finishing higher in the Premier League and gaining a EUROPA League or Champions League spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 But that isn't net spend. If you bring in £120 million during that period from domestic TV rights alone (let alone other revenue streams such as overseas broadcasting, merchandising, ticket sales, corporate, sponsorship, advertising etc etc) then is £152m really a big deal? Especially considering the financial rewards of finishing higher in the Premier League and gaining a EUROPA League or Champions League spot. Again, so what? Its going to cost £152m. It's going to cost £152m. Its going to cost £152m That is what it is costing Newcastle. That is the answer to your "oh look at Newcastle, they haven't spent big" point. They're spending £152m. Plus whatever their players cost that didn't start against Man City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 (edited) Again, so what? Its going to cost £152m. It's going to cost £152m. Its going to cost £152m That is what it is costing Newcastle. That is the answer to your "oh look at Newcastle, they haven't spent big" point. They're spending £152m. Plus whatever their players cost that didn't start against Man City. Saints income in that period could be over £152m especially given the £120m+ from domestic TV money alone in the 3 years you are talking about, so where is the issue? Plus Newcastle have huge debts that eat up money each year that they could spend on players, Saints have no debts to eat up money. You are also making the assumption no current 1st team or youth team players could play for Saints in a Champions League challenge and they would have to bring in an entire new squad. Edited 10 May, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Saints income in that period could be over £152m especially given the £120m+ from domestic TV money alone in the 3 years you are talking about, so where is the issue? You are also making the assumption no current 1st team or youth team players could play for Saints in a Champions League challenge. How many of our players would get in Newcastles team? The only issue is you. You mocked Jamie for suggesting that it would cost £250m to get to Newcastles level, the reality is he isn't far off as no doubt they will spend a few quid this summer as well. £152m minimum to possibly finish 4th End of argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 I'm not the one that plucks a £250 million figure out of thin air and then when asked to justify such a claim refuses to do so and turns instead to personal insults. We're trying following this turgid conversation with wilting interest, you guys... BUT it's interesting to see that inflation has crept in here. Last December I hinted that I thought the club might spend some big money (not necessarily on players), and got roasted by one person for quoting £20 mill.plus However, Billy and Chung turned out to be a lot cheaper than anyone thought at the time)..and it turned out the redevopment of Staplewood is £15 million+.. so I was partly there, but no expensive buys at the time ..they will obviously come soon. But with this thread having passed the 800 mark. I couldn't find the original post that you are going on about ..but as it taken up so much space ...not sure if I want to try....but IMO.. I don't see Cortese sanctioning anything like £250 million (if that was the figure)... even over a long period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 (edited) How many of our players would get in Newcastles team? That isn't what I said is it? Why are you so sure the like of Cork, Lallana and Schneiderlin wouldn't be good enough in the future, they have time on their side and I think the potential to play to a high level? Or the likes of Shaw, Sinclair, Stephens, Ward-Prowse etc? Saints have shown they can produce players capable of playing at that level in the past with Chamberlain, Walcott, Bridge and Bale. So why couldn't any of the current youth team or development team do the same? They don't need to be brought then do they. The only issue is you. You mocked Jamie for suggesting that it would cost £250m to get to Newcastles level, the reality is he isn't far off as no doubt they will spend a few quid this summer as well. £152m minimum to possibly finish 4th End of argument. Again you ignore my point. If the club will bring in over £120m from domestic TV rights alone, without looking at all the over sources of income they will have, why is a figure of £152m daunting? It may well be below the income of Saints during that period. So where is the issue? Where is the problem? Edited 10 May, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 (edited) Their last accounts in March 2012 show turnover in 2010/11 in their first season back in the Premier League was £88.4m, and that includes the Carroll £35m deal. They have one game to go and are 1 point point behind 4th and 2 points behind 3rd. Even if they don't make it, or Chelsea win the Champions League and deny them a CL spot they have shown they are capable of mounting a serious Champions League place challenge. If you believe the Telegraph numbers, league positions are closely related to spending on wages and transfers. Recently, this relationship has been weakening, so that a few like Newcastle have punched above their weight and others like W Ham have splurged money without reaping the rewards. At the same time, there are limits to how far you can buck these trends - how far you can get by on shrewd budgeting and transfer activity alone. Newcastle performed the best in this regard -so it is a very much an outlier (not sure if the Carroll sale is included in these numbers which would make it even more of an outlier). Still it hardly turned lead to gold: it only finished six places higher than its transfer/wage bill indicated it would. Those trends suggest that Saints would have to be in the top ten spenders if wanted to challenge for a CL place -assuming we could be as productive in our transfer activity as Newcastle, a heroic assumption. Indeed, we would probably need to spend a bit more given the amount of concentration at the very, very top. Edited 10 May, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Saints income in that period could be over £152m especially given the £120m+ from domestic TV money alone in the 3 years you are talking about, so where is the issue? Plus Newcastle have huge debts that eat up money each year that they could spend on players, Saints have no debts to eat up money. You are also making the assumption no current 1st team or youth team players could play for Saints in a Champions League challenge and they would have to bring in an entire new squad. So no debts meaning more entirely free money from the Leibherrs. And assuming no youth teamer is a pretty accurate assumption as since Oxo a grand total of zero new players have broken through in the Cortese era and this is in L1 and the NPC. Another Bale or Theo can only be seen as a bonus not planned as a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 We're trying following this turgid conversation with wilting interest, you guys... BUT it's interesting to see that inflation has crept in here. Last December I hinted that I thought the club might spend some big money (not necessarily on players), and got roasted by one person for quoting £20 mill.plus . Lets just be clear. You said forty million, in january, to get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 (edited) How many of our players would get in Newcastles team? The only issue is you. You mocked Jamie for suggesting that it would cost £250m to get to Newcastles level, the reality is he isn't far off as no doubt they will spend a few quid this summer as well. £152m minimum to possibly finish 4th End of argument. Its not £152m a year. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9255617/Revealed-the-financial-health-of-the-Premier-League-laid-bare.html If you're going to project the wage bill over three years, you have to do the same for income (and of course transfers). In fact, 6 out of the 20 prem teams had a positive cash flow in 2010/2011 -that is 6 clubs were richer at the end of last season than at the start. Looking at the numbers and how teams have fared this year, I reckon £90m a year on transfers and wages spent wisely would give you an outside shot at a CL place and a great chance at a UEFA place. To qualify for the latter, you could probably spend a great deal less. And that's before taking into account income.... Edited 10 May, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Its not £152m a year. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9255617/Revealed-the-financial-health-of-the-Premier-League-laid-bare.html If you're going to project the wage bill over three years, you have to do the same for income (and of course transfers). In fact, 6 out of the 20 prem teams had a positive cash flow in 2010/2011 -that is 6 clubs were richer at the end of last season than at the start. Looking at the numbers and how teams have fared this year, I reckon £90m a year on transfers and wages spent wisely would give you an outside shot at a CL place and a great chance at a UEFA place. To qualify for the latter, you could probably spend a great deal less. And that's before taking into account income.... If you read my post I didn't say it was £152m a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 That isn't what I said is it? Why are you so sure the like of Cork, Lallana and Schneiderlin wouldn't be good enough in the future, they have time on their side and I think the potential to play to a high level? Or the likes of Shaw, Sinclair, Stephens, Ward-Prowse etc? Saints have shown they can produce players capable of playing at that level in the past with Chamberlain, Walcott, Bridge and Bale. So why couldn't any of the current youth team or development team do the same? They don't need to be brought then do they. Again you ignore my point. If the club will bring in over £120m from domestic TV rights alone, without looking at all the over sources of income they will have, why is a figure of £152m daunting? It may well be below the income of Saints during that period. So where is the issue? Where is the problem? Who said it was daughting? Who said it was a problem? You banged on and on and on "oh look at Newcastle theyve done it without spending much" when in fact they have. Their 3 year wage bill and first xi team will cost them £152m minimum. That's not counting squad players and any new signings they'll undoubtedly make in the summer. £152m to possibly finish 4th. Again you've ignored my point. You asked how much it would cost for us to do a Newcastle. The answer is £152m and thats doing it the cheap way, like you claim Newcastle have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 If you read my post I didn't say it was £152m a year. So its £152m over three years with transfer fees loaded up front? If so, bring it on. Clubs generate income as well as incur costs. In 2010/2011, Wigan had the lowest annual income in the prem with £50m - the Bolton's and Fulhams of this world, hardly heavyweights, generated around £70-80m - over three years, that's close to £210m to £240m more than enough to cover the kind of costs you're talking about. Arguably we're talking about needing to £250m+ to challenge for the CL but thats another argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 MLG. just stop it, please we all know you think we are going to be some sort of mega club in the next 5 years....we are not but what ever floats your boat there is more chance of us getting relegated in the next 5 years than break into the top 4 getting a southampton team from league 1 to the prem is nothing compared to getting a newly promoted prem team to the CL Question. IF NC stays with us, and IF the Liebherr family stays on for the ride, where do you think we will be in 10 years time? Many are comparing us to Stoke. Just remember that they were promoted in 2008 They have already played in the Europa League. (Note to nutters, I am STILL not saying we will be in the CL ANY time soon & certainly not in 5 years. I just maintain that a vision of AIMING for that ONE DAY instead of a Lowe style survive and pay a dividend until eternity is where we now are) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Why do people bother arguing with MLG? The guy is clearly utterly insanely blinded by something, kind of like Stalin's lapdogs who still claim he did good for Russia. Don't get me wrong it's not that i think he supports a murderous regime (or that cortesee is even that) but his obsession with stats and attendances borders on the autistic and he seems to live in an alternate reality of football spreadsheets and utterly baffling conclusions drawn from nothing. Anyway on to what i thought was a pretty good post a few pages back that i couldn't answer due to the stupid three post rule. 1. Will we be in the champions league in 5 years time? - NO - we do not have those resources to progress that rapidly and NC has also stated that teh club needs to be self sustaining - surely not possible then with our current revenue potential 2. Should the CL aim be in a new '5 year' plan? NO, see above, but without a doubt there should be targets that will stretch the club, and drive it forward 3. Should the CL eventually be our aim? Well IMHO, we need to aim to be the best, set the highest standards for ourselves to drive the club forward. Many fans are content with top flight status and all that this brings resigned to the fact that given our status, history , location, size, anything more is a waste of time. For me though, I do believe you can change that - afterall where were we and all the other clubs 100 yers ago, 50 years ago even 15 years ago? We have shown that we can bring out 55k to wembley - and we could have sold more. How many of those could be converted to regular attendees IF the quality was great and success was possible? who knows, but the club should be striving to attract a many of them as possible - (whether dressed like neds or clowns). I'd agree with most of that and think it's a fair summing up. Though whilst you can never write things off, and should always aim as high as you can, i just cannot see - due to all the historical evidence during the time of the premier league - that we'll ever break that glass ceiling (and again i'd love to be proved wrong). For what it's worth i think we're well outside the top 7 clubs in terms of size in the premier league and arguably smaller than a few outside of it too - Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Derby, Forest all spring to mind as clubs that have massive, massive potential where they ever to establish themselves in the top flight again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 So its £152m over three years with transfer fees loaded up front? If so, bring it on. Clubs generate income as well as incur costs. In 2010/2011, Wigan had the lowest annual income iPn the prem with £50m - the Bolton's and Fulhams of this world, hardly heavyweights, generated around £70-80m - over three years, that's close to £210m to £240m more than enough to cover the kind of costs you're talking about. Arguably we're talking about needing to £250m+ to challenge for the CL but thats another argument. Quite. MLG asked how much it would cost to do a Newcastle. The answer was their first xi cost £50m and their wage bill was £102m over 3 years. So £152m to "do a Newcastle" also assuming luck, all the signing we make are brilliant and work out and we can pick up a few Ba like frees on the way. So £152m minimum to have a shot at 4th, once. To stay there will cost a lot more and plenty of others have spent more and failed. Tottenham, Villa, even Chelsea might not make it this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Question. IF NC stays with us, and IF the Liebherr family stays on for the ride, where do you think we will be in 10 years time? Many are comparing us to Stoke. Just remember that they were promoted in 2008 They have already played in the Europa League. (Note to nutters, I am STILL not saying we will be in the CL ANY time soon & certainly not in 5 years. I just maintain that a vision of AIMING for that ONE DAY instead of a Lowe style survive and pay a dividend until eternity is where we now are) Absolutely. We can Overtake man United easily. Just look what happened to Nokia and HTC have come from no where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 So its £152m over three years with transfer fees loaded up front? If so, bring it on. Clubs generate income as well as incur costs. In 2010/2011, Wigan had the lowest annual income in the prem with £50m - the Bolton's and Fulhams of this world, hardly heavyweights, generated around £70-80m - over three years, that's close to £210m to £240m more than enough to cover the kind of costs you're talking about. Arguably we're talking about needing to £250m+ to challenge for the CL but thats another argument. FFS. AGAIN, NOBODY who is sane pays a Transfer fee UP FRONT. They are spread over 2, 3 or even sometimes 4 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Absolutely. We ca. Overtake man United easily. Just look what happened to Nokia and HTC have come from no where. OK so where DID HTC come from in that market? Did they do something different from all the others or were they lucky they had a crop of talented youngsters or just spent a zillion a year from year one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 FFS. AGAIN, NOBODY who is sane pays a Transfer fee UP FRONT. They are spread over 2, 3 or even sometimes 4 years Does NC except that I thought we got all the oxo money up front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Does NC except that I thought we got all the oxo money up front? Hence the 4 letters that spelt the word SANE I obviously was using that word to exclude the collector of young kids who still has a full time job in the PL in North London who does not have a twitch and may not have once upon a time been a 70's Glam Rock star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 FFS. AGAIN, NOBODY who is sane pays a Transfer fee UP FRONT. They are spread over 2, 3 or even sometimes 4 years Don't think I was saying that Just saying that relatively speaking more of the transfer fee is paid upfront - perhaps 30-50% with the rest paid in installments/on the satisfaction of various benchmarks. The point was more rhetorical than anything. That even in an extreme scenario i.e. 100% upfront transfer fee, some of the figures bandied about i.e. £152m aren't all that intimidating oncespread out over time and income is taken into account. Of course, you might want to query whether £152m is enough and IMO it is way too low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Don't think I was saying that Just saying that relatively speaking more of the transfer fee is paid upfront - perhaps 30-50% with the rest paid in installments/on the satisfaction of various benchmarks. The point was more rhetorical than anything. That even in an extreme scenario i.e. 100% upfront transfer fee, some of the figures bandied about i.e. £152m aren't all that intimidating oncespread out over time and income is taken into account. Of course, you might want to query whether £152m is enough and IMO it is way too low. Yeh it takes some time to get your head around it. We all know the maths 50 mil in our first year back up of 40 mil parachutes etc, so to talk about spending 152 mil in 3 years (IF we stay up that long) would STILL show Income of 150mil PLUS parachute back up of 40 mil - a nice 20% gross profit retained each year (which is a hell of a lot better than the numbers we had back in L1) I don't think we are in Kansas Toto. Also, I have a sneaky feeling that we may just keep finding some potential gems at the Jack Cork Tadanari Lee price levels in amongst the odd "finally we broke the Delap Millstone" spending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 For what it's worth i think we're well outside the top 7 clubs in terms of size in the premier league and arguably smaller than a few outside of it too - Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Derby, Forest all spring to mind as clubs that have massive, massive potential where they ever to establish themselves in the top flight again. Now I know what you have written there is sensible, balanced, realistic and chock full of perspective and real world understanding. But there is only one thing that upsets the swivel eyed loons on this forum more than suggesting Saints aren't on the brink of European domination and that is daring to suggest that any other club in Britain has anything like the potential to do anything similar. My god they'll be on to you. Sheffield Wednesday, for example, despite pulling 38,000 through the door for a league one game last weekend can never, ever be as big as Saints because they have no catchment area what with there being two clubs in Sheffield and everything. I very much doubt that Sheffield Wednesday could ever get gates as big as SolentcitySaintsFC. And after all, Southampton has small towns around it like Chandlers Ford and stuff. And Sheffield doesn't have any towns around it. Just Sheffield. And don't mention Derby and Forest - that can really upset our self proclaimed "intellegent posters". All Derby and Forest have in terms of potential are loads and loads and loads of actual human beings living in each city and all the surrounding areas. SolentCitySaints, of course, has area, which is far better as it is less cluttered up with people and that. Makes it easier for people living much further away to make the 90 mile round trip to the Cortesedome to see their beloved team. Which is Man United. So please keep this on topic.Only SolentSaintsCityFC has potential. No one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Now I know what you have written there is sensible, balanced, realistic and chock full of perspective and real world understanding. But there is only one thing that upsets the swivel eyed loons on this forum more than suggesting Saints aren't on the brink of European domination and that is daring to suggest that any other club in Britain has anything like the potential to do anything similar. My god they'll be on to you. Sheffield Wednesday, for example, despite pulling 38,000 through the door for a league one game last weekend can never, ever be as big as Saints because they have no catchment area what with there being two clubs in Sheffield and everything. I very much doubt that Sheffield Wednesday could ever get gates as big as SolentcitySaintsFC. And after all, Southampton has small towns around it like Chandlers Ford and stuff. And Sheffield doesn't have any towns around it. Just Sheffield. And don't mention Derby and Forest - that can really upset our self proclaimed "intellegent posters". All Derby and Forest have in terms of potential are loads and loads and loads of actual human beings living in each city and all the surrounding areas. SolentCitySaints, of course, has area, which is far better as it is less cluttered up with people and that. Makes it easier for people living much further away to make the 90 mile round trip to the Cortesedome to see their beloved team. Which is Man United. So please keep this on topic.Only SolentSaintsCityFC has potential. No one else. It is posts like this on threads like this that really make mefear for the sanity of some posters on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 It is posts like this on threads like this that really make mefear for the sanity of some posters on this forum. Clearly some on here have never been stuck in the queues of traffic through West Wellow on the A36 after a home game in the past 35 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 May, 2012 Share Posted 11 May, 2012 (edited) Whilst I don't disagree with what CB Fry says his post lacks one thing; ambition. Luckily for us Cortese has it by the bucketload. Never in the history of the soccerball has a chairman had so much at a club with so much potential. In 126 years we have never had more than 32,000 people attend a game but the world is changing and people now use ipads instead of desktops to prove this point. The whole of Europe is now cheaply accessable and within 3 hours of Southampton thanks to Easyjet and with a large Polish, Russian and Asian community I would imagine visitors from here willbe flying in in their thousands to join the plastic Mancs from Epsom and Guildord and the bus loads coming from cornwall that used to go to Old Trafford for premier league football. Ironically enough Easyjeg is also the clever pricing policy we are going to introduce where by fans. gain access to the stadium for only £15 which will help all those plastic real Madrid fans who have flown in to see premier league football at St Mary's. Although obviously if they want to see the pitch or have a p*ss then they'll have to pay for it. Edited 11 May, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 11 May, 2012 Share Posted 11 May, 2012 to much gets read into these 5 years plan things....nearly every club has them Can you tell me what Pompey's was ???? ........... I seem to have missed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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