Saint George Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Personally I prefer Football focus....LOL at you trying to justify calling it soccer though very funny... Just to be clear...I'll call it whatever the f*ck i want...Justification? heh...Who the f*ck are you to dictate what I, or anyone else call's the sport.......na...my response is there to shove your ignorance back in your face.....Shoulda known you're way to ignorant to even notice heh Little Englanders...dontcha just love em ....................................................................................... @Dune...See this thread and many others for part of the answer....... 3 post's and out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Just to be clear...I'll call it whatever the f*ck i want...Justification? heh...Who the f*ck are you to dictate what I, or anyone else call's the sport.......na...my response is there to shove your ignorance back in your face.....Shoulda known you're way to ignorant to even notice heh Little Englanders...dontcha just love em ....................................................................................... @Dune...See this thread and many others for part of the answer....... 3 post's and out I think someone has hit a nerve there. Personally I can't stand when people call it soccer, but of course it is your right to do so, as it is mine to not like when I hear people say it. If you are American then I understand why you feel the need to call our game soccer as it may be a little confusing mixing it up American football in America but here there is no confusion. In America I except that it is soccer and have called it that when I have gone over but over here it is football always has been and always will be for the vast majority. I have to say I have never heard any of the presenters of 'Soccer' AM refer to the sport as Soccer nor have I of 99% of the general public in 2012. If you are still stuck in the 60s then I suggest you need to get a bit more with the times, but again if you chose not to that is up to you. I'll ask my dad what they called it back then and I'm pretty sure he'll say most people called it Football. Association football might have been shortened to Soccer in America but has been shortened to football here. As for the 'little Englanders', not sure who you are trying to offend there? I'll await you answer or abuse in 20 or so hours, should give you time to think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Just to be clear...I'll call it whatever the f*ck i want...Justification? heh...Who the f*ck are you to dictate what I, or anyone else call's the sport.......na...my response is there to shove your ignorance back in your face.....Shoulda known you're way to ignorant to even notice heh Little Englanders...dontcha just love em ....................................................................................... @Dune...See this thread and many others for part of the answer....... 3 post's and out :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Just to be clear...I'll call it whatever the f*ck i want...Justification? heh...Who the f*ck are you to dictate what I, or anyone else call's the sport.......na...my response is there to shove your ignorance back in your face.....Shoulda known you're way to ignorant to even notice heh Little Englanders...dontcha just love em ....................................................................................... @Dune...See this thread and many others for part of the answer....... 3 post's and out Redneck yanks, don't you just love them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Just to be clear...I'll call it whatever the f*ck i want...Justification? heh...Who the f*ck are you to dictate what I, or anyone else call's the sport.......na...my response is there to shove your ignorance back in your face.....Shoulda known you're way to ignorant to even notice heh Is this what Boris said when someone asked him wtf he was going on about when he called table tennis 'wiff-waff'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Just to be clear...I'll call it whatever the f*ck i want...Justification? heh...Who the f*ck are you to dictate what I, or anyone else call's the sport.......na...my response is there to shove your ignorance back in your face.....Shoulda known you're way to ignorant to even notice heh Little Englanders...dontcha just love em ....................................................................................... @Dune...See this thread and many others for part of the answer....... 3 post's and out Shut up you nutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 People know the same thing by different names in different places shocker. In other news Saints fans were insisting on what other people should say, wear, think etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Is this what Boris said when someone asked him wtf he was going on about when he called table tennis 'wiff-waff'. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 If Spurs or Arsenal came sniffing for our talent, offering the mega wonga and the status then im afraid we'll always struggle to hold on to it. It's just the way of the footballing world. And now we have Newcastle being brought in to the argument. Seriously, don't even include them in the same breath as us, they are wayyyyyy ahead of us And what's this about the Asian income??? Go and have a look at the sums the Far East pull in and let me know how much were raking in. we lost at least £3m on the bale deal cos we needed funds asap, all I'm saying is if we were mid table bale would have gone for £20m+, not £5m. money in the bank! newcastle were a championship side not so long ago, and no1 expected them to do this well this year. so ye, same breath because its a good example of a few good signings and a fragment of stability, and they have a manager we deemed not to be good enough. maths...? now for far east sums, 1.5billion people, £50 a shirt, i think that makes roughly £70b in the bank every 1-2 years, and that's if they just but the home kit u should try life with a little sunshine tho, sunshine. Whatever. Saints' catchment area is no bigger than Nottingham Forest, Leicester City or Derby County. I'm talking about ACTUAL PEOPLE in actual towns and cities. Not crayoning red lines across the south of England like a spasticated chimp. Simple enough for you? snott all about townsfolk, ur forgetting the forest in Nottingham and the county of derby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 now for far east sums, 1.5billion people, £50 a shirt, i think that makes roughly £70b in the bank every 1-2 years, and that's if they just but the home kit u should try life with a little sunshine tho, sunshine. wtf? 1.5b people will not buy our shirt from the middle east, so the figures you have added up there are pointless. We're not Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Real Madrid. They're the big clubs over there and we will not over take them. at all. ever. We may sell at best a couple of hundred shirts, wouldn't be noticeable on the balance sheets. This talk of income from the middle east just on the back of Chun is mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 wtf? 1.5b people will not buy our shirt from the middle east, so the figures you have added up there are pointless. Yeah! some may only buy a scarf or some shorts etc......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Yeah! some may only buy a scarf or some shorts etc......... We barely raise an eye-brow over there. Calm down...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 wtf? 1.5b people will not buy our shirt from the middle east, so the figures you have added up there are pointless. Oh come on if everyone in China is wearing a Saints shirt that's 1.3 billion covered only need to find another 0.2 billion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 wtf? 1.5b people will not buy our shirt from the middle east, so the figures you have added up there are pointless. PAH! We are Sooooooooooo on a roll down here. Jeez in the space of just the last 6 games we went from D_P & EoA watching games in the pub to reaching the ASTONISHING total of 24 of us. Since then we've added 5 more, got onto Face Book and EVEN kicked Leeds Official Dubai Mongs Club out of their corner of our local pub. We are on a ROLL We've EVEN got 4 fans in Syria (hiding in their Basements waiting to get out) Can we put you down as our Ambassador for Yemen? Ticket is on the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 PAH! We are Sooooooooooo on a roll down here. Jeez in the space of just the last 6 games we went from D_P & EoA watching games in the pub to reaching the ASTONISHING total of 24 of us. Since then we've added 5 more, got onto Face Book and EVEN kicked Leeds Official Dubai Mongs Club out of their corner of our local pub. We are on a ROLL Can we put you down as our Ambassador for Yemen? go for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Whatever. Saints' catchment area is no bigger than Nottingham Forest, Leicester City or Derby County. I'm talking about ACTUAL PEOPLE in actual towns and cities. Not crayoning red lines across the south of England like a spasticated chimp. Simple enough for you? I'll just repeat it one more time, in case it manages to penetrate somehow, but as you thought that Nottingham and Derby were good examples of comparable catchment areas to ours, I very much doubt it. As already explained, Nottingham's catchment area, even in the city, is split between two old established clubs and the proximity of Derby lessens it still further. If one or other of those three clubs were to find themselves in the Premiership whilst the other two languished a couple of divisions below them, then their catchment area might have more relevance. That is the situation that we are now in, so our catchment area has significant importance to our prospects of increased attendances if we do well in the rop flight. As I say, if you choose to ignore that fact, then so be it. You won't even acknowledge the area that has been named Solent City, which incidentally does comprise ACTUAL PEOPLE believe it or not. Simple enough for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Simple enough for you? I'm pretty sure that's a No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 (edited) we lost at least £3m on the bale deal cos we needed funds asap, all I'm saying is if we were mid table bale would have gone for £20m+, not £5m. money in the bank! newcastle were a championship side not so long ago, and no1 expected them to do this well this year. so ye, same breath because its a good example of a few good signings and a fragment of stability, and they have a manager we deemed not to be good enough. maths...? now for far east sums, 1.5billion people, £50 a shirt, i think that makes roughly £70b in the bank every 1-2 years, and that's if they just but the home kit u should try life with a little sunshine tho, sunshine. snott all about townsfolk, ur forgetting the forest in Nottingham and the county of derby During my extensive travels I the Far East (inc our heyday of 2003!!!) I only ever saw one Saints shirt on sale. It was a knock off in the MBK mall, with "FRIEDS [sic] PROVIDENT" emblazoned on the front. Any talk of millions is La La land, let alone billions. Although we used to get mentioned a bit on ESPN/STAR, particularly Nokia Football Crazy!!!!, as one of the hosts, Andy Penders, was a Saints fan (and think ex youth team player). Don't think that really translated to ££££££ though. As for Newcastle, an odd season in a lower league does not mean we should be using them as any semblance of a yard stick. Their legacy, history, status and standing means they are way ahead of us. Edited 9 May, 2012 by um pahars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 (edited) I'll just repeat it one more time, in case it manages to penetrate somehow, but as you thought that Nottingham and Derby were good examples of comparable catchment areas to ours, I very much doubt it. As already explained, Nottingham's catchment area, even in the city, is split between two old established clubs and the proximity of Derby lessens it still further. If one or other of those three clubs were to find themselves in the Premiership whilst the other two languished a couple of divisions below them, then their catchment area might have more relevance. That is the situation that we are now in, so our catchment area has significant importance to our prospects of increased attendances if we do well in the rop flight. As I say, if you choose to ignore that fact, then so be it. You won't even acknowledge the area that has been named Solent City, which incidentally does comprise ACTUAL PEOPLE believe it or not. Simple enough for you? Nottingham is a far bigger city than Southampton and has towns of significant size close to it. If Forest were challenging for top four or even just in the Prem they would activate their sizable catchment even if County were in the championship and Derby in the Prem. If Forest went up next year they'd get sell outs at 30Kplus like we will. If Derby went up too they'd get the same. And if Leicester went up too....guess what? Maxed out gates of 30k. And lets put Notts County in the championship. They'd max out too. And all of them would have potential to grow if they maintained progress. All of them. All at the same time. All of them. There are more clubs in the East Mids because their are more people and more interest. W anking off about greater Hamble is irrelevent. If there was that much interest in football in Solent City then Saints would have had far more interest in them long before now but we haven't. Guess what. Saints have always been as big as Forest and Derby. Even though the clubs in the EM have had this mythical "competition between clubs in the same area". I know this is too easy but f u ck me you are dumb. Edited 9 May, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Maybe the question should be more about what fans think is the current 'ceiling' based on what little we know of an 'plan' 5 years or otherwise, or how its anticipated NC will develop the commercial revenue streams - Think its agreed that progress beyond the odd good season in the top 10 requires substantially more cash than the Sky revenue and gate receipts will support and he has also sated he wants it to be self sustaining... so what is the ceiling and how do we break through it? Some have stated it would require 100s of milliions to get top 4.... well not convinced it would need that amount IF the academy truely can deliver on its potentila and we ca hold on to players at least for their first pro contract .. but thats another debate, so how would we fund any major growth strategy? Some have suggested the famly may invest - FWIW, I dont belive the Liebherrs will be in it long term, unless they somhow get the football bug...so where does that leave us? NC hinte at the time of Markus's death that should the family feel that its time to walk away, he had several contacts within the financial circles that would be willing to pick it up and run with it.. what does that mean? enough cash to buy out, or enough cash to fund major growth, in line with any restrictions under the FFP rules? We dont as far as I know have enough kids of sufficient standard to see 50% home grown by 2017, so that idea would take longer, so its unrealistic to expect top 4 in 5 years , but top 8? top 6? Depends on so many factors and everything has to be spot on. All we know right now is NC is ambitious, driven and demanding - I do not belive he will be satisfied seeing saints only reaise their 'current' potential of a local club stable, but maxed out at a 15-9 finishing position. He will be looking for ways to increase that potential and a strategy for making it happen. When these threads decen into farce, it's in part its more often because either trolled to death by WUMs not allowing those with perhaps over ambitious ideas to state them - there seems to be a need to ridicule... not sure what purpose that serves as it seems the mind set of pre-teens snigg ering behind their screens and any value in their opinion is lost amongst the pis s take. Think the OP questions needs to be split: 1. Will we be in the champions league in 5 years time? - NO - we do not have those resurces to progress that rapidly and NC has also stated that teh club needs to be self sustaining - surely not possible then with our current revenue potential 2. Should the CL aim be in a new '5 year' plan? NO, see above, but without a doubt there should be targets that will stretch the club, and drive it forward 3. Should the CL eventually be our aim? Well IMHO, we need to aim to be the best, set the highest standards for ourselves to drive the club forward. Many fans are content with top flight status and all that this brings resigned to the fact that given our status, history , location, size, anything more is a waste of time. For me though, I do believe you can change that - afterall where were we and all the other clubs 100 yers ago, 50 years ago even 15 years ago? We have shown that we can bring out 55k to wembley - and we could have sold more. How many of those could be converted to regular attendees IF the quality was great and success was possible? who knows, but the club should be striving to attract a many of them as possible - (whether dressed like neds or clowns). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Oh come on if everyone in China is wearing a Saints shirt that's 1.3 billion covered only need to find another 0.2 billion Mmm..most of the products in the market are made in China anyway, so for every one they make for us, they'd do a hundred for themselves and sell them on the black market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Now that we have agreed that we can bank on far eastern revenues of£35bn pa, can I suggest that free pies are given out on nmatch day. It would be a lovely touch to reward the faithful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Nottingham is a far bigger city than Southampton and has towns of significant size close to it. If Forest were challenging for top four or even just in the Prem they would activate their sizable catchment even if County were in the championship and Derby in the Prem. If Forest went up next year they'd get sell outs at 30Kplus like we will. If Derby went up too they'd get the same. And if Leicester went up too....guess what? Maxed out gates of 30k. And lets put Notts County in the championship. They'd max out too. And all of them would have potential to grow if they maintained progress. All of them. All at the same time. All of them. There are more clubs in the East Mids because their are more people and more interest. W anking off about greater Hamble is irrelevent. If there was that much interest in football in Solent City then Saints would have had far more interest in them long before now but we haven't. Guess what. Saints have always been as big as Forest and Derby. Even though the clubs in the EM have had this mythical "competition between clubs in the same area". I know this is too easy but f u ck me you are dumb. The old adage about somebody losing the argument if they have to resort to insults comes into play. You make a rather feeble attempt to provide a comparison to our catchment area, citing Nottingham, Derby and Leicester. I point out the weakness in your argument, because Nottingham is a two club city and that Derby is only 15 miles away from Nottingham. So you try and backtrack to wriggle off the hook by citing circumstances whereby all three would sell out 30,000 stadiums if they were in the Premiership too. Well, Einstein, probably so would Brighton, Bournemouth and the Skates (if they had a stadium that big) as well as us, if we were all in the Premiership at the same time. But of course, that was not the scenario we are discussing, is it? In case you need reminding, the assertion was that we have one of the largest catchment areas if we are in the Premiership and our neighbours are at a much lower level. I repeat for your benefit again, we are not discussing a scenario whereby one or more of our neighbours was also in the Premiership. I readily acknowledge that under those circumstances our catchment area would be diminished and have never said any different. And just to illustrate how your mind wanders onto other matters not being discussed, where did I mention Greater Hamble, let alone w ank over it? I'll let others decide who the thickie is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I'll let others decide who the thickie is here. I vote Wes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 Of course you do, Dune. Ditto I'm sure one or more of the usual suspects too. I'm not remotely bothered unless that opinion is shared by people on here whose opinions I respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 so, how much do you all think the family will pump into the club for nothing over the next couple of years...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 so, how much do you all think the family will pump into the club for nothing over the next couple of years...? I think any major money they pump in would be invested in infrastructure and not the players, there will be money invested in players but i don't think it will be major (maybe 20-40million over next 2 years), bit of a guessing game really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I think any major money they pump in would be invested in infrastructure and not the players, there will be money invested in players but i don't think it will be major (maybe 20-40million over next 2 years), bit of a guessing game really! so, abosolutely no chance what so ever of CL football in that time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 so, how much do you all think the family will pump into the club for nothing over the next couple of years...? No Idea. I suppose they could recoup their 33 million back out of the PL money (what is it these days 60 million?) if they wanted to. The site below has last summers PL transfers http://www.betinf.com/england_transfer.htm The three newly promoted clubs spent around 10-12 million last summer on new signings I wouldn't have thought that would be unreasonable for us. Though I'm guessing that would be funded by the clubs new PL money rather than the owners own money. It should be noted that the top four spent citeh - 80 million Man U - 57 million Arsenal - 60 million spurs - 11 million Which is on top of the very good sides they already had....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 so, abosolutely no chance what so ever of CL football in that time A slim chance! If that was the scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 now for far east sums, 1.5billion people, £50 a shirt, i think that makes roughly £70b in the bank every 1-2 years, and that's if they just but the home kit I can only presume you're on a wind-up or a bit mental? I've travelled quite a bit around Asia and can assure you we're not big news over there and that's not going to change any time soon. When asked by anyone local where I was from and I replied England, they would go mad "ahh Mr, what team you support?" "Southampton" "who?" In the end I got bored of trying to explain about Southampton and used to answer with Man Utd, it just saved the hassle. As far as people over there are concerned, we don't even exist. The support they have for Man Utd and Liverpool (they're the two big guns over there) is fanatical. It's going to take more than an smallish, average Premiership team with one Japanese player to change that. Even Madrid and Barca struggle to get much of a look in compared to the big Premiership clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I can only presume you're on a wind-up or a bit mental? i got attackted for mentioning asian income, i didn't say it was going to be the cornerstone of our success, just that its another positive to add to the list. i'm amazed how many 'tards thought i was being serious with the figures, and how many people take this forum too seriously As for Newcastle, an odd season in a lower league does not mean we should be using them as any semblance of a yard stick. Their legacy, history, status and standing means they are way ahead of us. just as much as Huddersfield have a legacy and history? or do Blackburn deserve to stay in the PL coz they have won more league titles than Liverpool in the last 20 years. the god given right that a team should be in the PL or pushing for the title is ludicrous, it's based on performance over the year, and each year is taken on it's own merits. I'm in no way saying it's identical, but u can't ignore three major facts. they we're playing championship football 2/3 years ago, they have defied expectations & had a wonderful season, and they have a manager that we deemed to be not good enough for us. Anything can happen in football, it's sad you can't be positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 i'm amazed how many 'tards thought i was being serious with the figures, and how many people take this forum too seriously I'm well known on here for taking this internet malarkey too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 so, how much do you all think the family will pump into the club for nothing over the next couple of years...? anyone else...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 anyone else...? I would say no more than the 10-20 mil probably already covering the Staplewood development - bringing there max total to around 50mil, for an asset worth around 60-70 as a prem club... a fair investment and probably what Markus earmarked. Future growth will be funded by financial investment that requires a commercial return - that is not in itself a hideous thing, as its about getting the terms right. We could afford the Aviva SMS loan in the NPC and possibly in L1, it was not that that killed us, just needs a more pragmatic approach to the wage bill and plater contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I would say no more than the 10-20 mil probably already covering the Staplewood development - bringing there max total to around 50mil, for an asset worth around 60-70 as a prem club... a fair investment and probably what Markus earmarked. Future growth will be funded by financial investment that requires a commercial return - that is not in itself a hideous thing, as its about getting the terms right. We could afford the Aviva SMS loan in the NPC and possibly in L1, it was not that that killed us, just needs a more pragmatic approach to the wage bill and plater contracts so, if people think that the "family" will chuck in another £20m or so how on earth can you even contemplate CL football in the next few years never going to get close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 anyone else...? ur pushing for an answer no1 can really give but looking at the facts the family is valued at £3bn, so they've spent about 1.5% of that on the club, which includes buying us and paying off our debts. hopefully the scenes at the cov game will have sparked something in the family, but maybe with all the pessimists will eventually get to them and they'll sell up and leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 ur pushing for an answer no1 can really give but looking at the facts the family is valued at £3bn, so they've spent about 1.5% of that on the club, which includes buying us and paying off our debts. hopefully the scenes at the cov game will have sparked something in the family, but maybe with all the pessimists will eventually get to them and they'll sell up and leave. What pessimists? More realism than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 An interesting quote: "I am not promising that we will be a top four team but I can promise that we will try and that is what we will aim for. We are committed to improving the performance of the team and when the situation is right there will be investment" November 19, 2010. It was made by Blackburn's owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 so, if people think that the "family" will chuck in another £20m or so how on earth can you even contemplate CL football in the next few years never going to get close It was a guess/speculation mind... based on the issue of self sustaining - but self sustaining can include proviso for infrastructure development through appropriate servicing of comeercial loans... which I feel is OK...its borrowing on players and wages that is the no-no.... CL? again I like teh ambition, and aspiration, but we would need to have our conveyor belt academy working at max capacity to have a periodic chance of this... and that is possible, and most likely what NC was conceptulizing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 so, if people think that the "family" will chuck in another £20m or so how on earth can you even contemplate CL football in the next few years never going to get close TDD. While agreeing the concept of CL in 5 years is not going to happen, a lot of people are making a basic mistake here. The Family will never have to "bung in 20mil"? In the sense many on here use It will not work like that, for a whole bunch of reasons, but primarily... NOBODY buys players for Cash upfront these days 10mil player in the papers? Well apart from Oxo that would mean 2 or 3mil up front after 6 months some at the end of the season, add ons etc etc etc So the family MAY have to put some cash flow support in should costs rise above the budget OR if TV money is paid out of sync with OpEx, but these days it would be VERY rare for someone to go and say I need 20mil cash for some players now. (Sure at the END of the season they may have invested 20 mil but it would be over the 12 months - that's why it is called "A Plan" NOBODY in their right mind takes money out of their bank until it is really needed, and no football club is going to pay up front unless they have a really special asset. The money into Staplewood (In a PRIVATE COMPANY) could be repaid next year IF say Luke Shaw comes on as fast as Oxo did. BUT although they have a budget of whatever million for that it still ain't going to be paid in one hit - staged payments in Projects is the normal way to operate, we ain't gonna be any different. It's all about the PLANNING of that spending, and ways to get it back, rather than a Liverpool spend 190 mil "because we're Liverpool" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 so, if people think that the "family" will chuck in another £20m or so how on earth can you even contemplate CL football in the next few years never going to get close i wonder what tragic event(s) in life have made you so negative? have some faith, spending years in the premiership aiming for 17th was pathetic, remember when we got to an FA cup final and finished 8th, i think we we in 5th at one point that season? and that was without the pompey financial structure, or huge commercial income, it was down to a half decent team, with some yutes, who played some good football so why can't u be positive? we're back in the top flight, we have a great squad and coaching staff, a solid financial structure, and a don in charge of the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 i wonder what tragic event(s) in life have made you so negative? have some faith, spending years in the premiership aiming for 17th was pathetic, remember when we got to an FA cup final and finished 8th, i think we we in 5th at one point that season? and that was without the pompey financial structure, or huge commercial income, it was down to a half decent team, with some yutes, who played some good football so why can't u be positive? we're back in the top flight, we have a great squad and coaching staff, a solid financial structure, and a don in charge of the club I can be positive...I am sure as shyt we won't go down and that would be a good season next year. howevever, I am not deluded in thinking we will be playing CL football in the next 5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 What pessimists? More realism than anything else. pes·si·mism (ps-mzm) n. 1. A tendency to stress the negative or unfavorable or to take the gloomiest possible view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 pes·si·mism (ps-mzm) n. 1. A tendency to stress the negative or unfavorable or to take the gloomiest possible view.[h=3]de·lu·sion/diˈlo͞oZHən/ [/h][TABLE=class: ts] [TR] [TD]Noun:[/TD] [TD][TABLE=class: ts] [TR] [TD]An idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality,... [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I've been out of this thread for a bit, hows it developing? Concensus reached yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I've been out of this thread for a bit, hows it developing? Concensus reached yet? I came to a conclusion pages ago... the vast majority on here are delusional morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 [h=3]de·lu·sion/diˈlo͞oZHən/ [/h][TABLE=class: ts] [TR] [TD]Noun:[/TD] [TD][TABLE=class: ts] [TR] [TD]An idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality,... [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] but the reality hasn't come to fruition yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I came to a conclusion pages ago... the vast majority on here are delusional morons. there's a big difference between really believing we are going to ease on up to the top four, and just hoping this club can build on what it's done in the last 3 years. the hope that we will be a mid table team like we were 10 years ago is boring as ****, we are Southampton, we're avoiding relegation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 May, 2012 Share Posted 9 May, 2012 I've travelled quite a bit around Asia and can assure you we're not big news over there and that's not going to change any time soon. When asked by anyone local where I was from and I replied England, they would go mad "ahh Mr, what team you support?" "Southampton" "who?" In the end I got bored of trying to explain about Southampton and used to answer with Man Utd, it just saved the hassle. As far as people over there are concerned, we don't even exist. The support they have for Man Utd and Liverpool (they're the two big guns over there) is fanatical. It's going to take more than an smallish, average Premiership team with one Japanese player to change that. Even Madrid and Barca struggle to get much of a look in compared to the big Premiership clubs. I've also been over in Asia quite a bit this past decade. The situation will begin to change when the new Premiership season kicks off. We have been out of the top flight for 7 years, so we disappeared off the radar over there. It was interesting to see the changes recently when I was in Thailand just last month. Yes, ManUre and Liverpool are still prevalent, but there were numerous Arsenal and Chelski shirts too. But the increasing number of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Milan and Bayern shirts was noticeable this trip. In the Far East, they are football mad and watch it avidly on the telly. But these are the ultimate glory hunters, so naturally they get more exposure to the glory teams and reckon they gain kudos for supporting the teams that are successful, or with whom they can establish some sort of personal connection. So when we play the likes of ManUre, Chelski, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, we will raise our profile and therefore the awareness of our brand. But it will only be by beating those glory teams and climbing the table that we will get the plastics to switch. Mostly, these are not the loyal types, they go with which way the wind is blowing. I have encountered a situation there whereby many young Thais were wearing Arsenal shirts. When asked how this came about, it became clear that the shirts had been awarded to them by a politician after their votes. They weren't particularly Arsenal supporters, but the brand was recognisable and cool in their eyes. Apart from the glory team brands, the other factor that affects support over there is having a team member from Asia. From that point of view, our matches will attract greater attention in Japan and Korea. If Lee establishes himself in the Premiership and is knocking in goals against the glory teams, that attention will increase. Regarding income from shirt sales, I doubt whether much of it finds its way to the clubs anyway, not even the glory teams, as most of it is fake. The revenue comes mostly from sponsorship and TV. For example, Air Asia has an association with ManUre and sells some branded goods on their planes. Everton and Leicester have done themselves no harm in Thailand being sponsored by Chang Beer and King Power, although Leicester's exposure isn't great while they are in the second division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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