ToreSF Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Got promoted today with shef wednesday. Well deserved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Got promoted today with shef wednesday. Well deserved! Doesn't bother me. I wasn't that bigger fan if his at saints and think we would have gone down that season he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentry Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Congrats to Dave Jones, nice bloke and I think he can take Sheff Wed to the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzpop Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Great manager for Saints, laid the foundations of what was achieved under Hoddle and Strachan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Antonio doing well up there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Great manager for Saints, laid the foundations of what was achieved under Hoddle and Strachan. Rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Antonio doing well up there too. Leroy Rosenior thinks he's been a revelation and Reading will want him back. Definitely could have done a job for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Good manager who's time at Saints was cut short by RL being swayed by a load of unsubstantiated nonsense. Dave Jones could have had a field day if he'd taken legal action against the club. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty??? Lowe got rid without a shred of evidence that suggested that Jones was guilty. Shame on him for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4INT Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 I'm pleased that a good man is doing well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Great manager for Saints, laid the foundations of what was achieved under Hoddle and Strachan. Utter bollix, don't let sentiment get in the way, we'd have gone down that season if he'd not been moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Good manager who's time at Saints was cut short by RL being swayed by a load of unsubstantiated nonsense. Dave Jones could have had a field day if he'd taken legal action against the club. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty??? Lowe got rid without a shred of evidence that suggested that Jones was guilty. Shame on him for that! I'll think your find Lowe gave him leave to fight his cause, he didnt sakc him and given our results at the time were clearly effected by it I have to say as no Lowe fan that this was a great move by him. Our form was awful at the time and Jones could have actually be sacked because we were heading for relegation. I felt Lowe did the decent and right thing at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndy1970 Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 You are right Turkish. The football at the time was dire. If he had stayed we would have been relegated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 It was no win situation for Lowe. I he sacked him it would look like he sacked him over allegations and if he'd stuck by him, then we may well have gone down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 There was no way anyone with those sorts of allegations hanging over them would have been able to concentrate on the job 100%. As others have said we were pretty dire anyway at the time and if he'd stayed in charge we would have gone down. Lowe made some strange decisions, but got this one spot on. Jones appears to be a decent Championship manager and i'm sure they'll do OK next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Utter bollix, don't let sentiment get in the way, we'd have gone down that season if he'd not been moved on. Absolutely. He also said that the Skates would go up this season. Should have been a Funeral Director rather than a Football Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 I'll think your find Lowe gave him leave to fight his cause, he didnt sakc him and given our results at the time were clearly effected by it I have to say as no Lowe fan that this was a great move by him. Our form was awful at the time and Jones could have actually be sacked because we were heading for relegation. I felt Lowe did the decent and right thing at the time. 100% correct Turkish. I agree with every word. If being a " nice guy" qualifies you to be a good manager, there are quite a few in L1/L2 who would be top of the list. A lot of top international players have tried and failed in management. I always thought DJ was a nice guy, but for that case up against him, he would have got the boot before the end of that season. We were appauling until Hoddle arrived..and survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Tactically inept and the personality of a tennis racket. The arrival of Lee Todd and the sale of Maik Taylor represented some early business, and when Hoddle replaced him it revitalised the club. Fair play to the bloke, but glad he is 300 miles away from SFC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Had a lot sympathy for himat the time and was glad the case against him was not proved, but he was an average manager with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Whether he was good or bad for us, he never really stood a chance with the fans due to his "total lack of passion" during a game. But happy for him getting success, now he has to beat that monkey on his back of always managing to NOT get Cardiff promoted from the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Doesn't bother me. I wasn't that bigger fan if his at saints and think we would have gone down that season he left. Then why bother relying. This is a tribute thread to a top guy with saints connections who achieved something very special yesterday. Well done DJ and good to see Antonio andPrutton on the pitch celebrating too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Well done & good luck next Dave Jones Unfortunately it has meant Milan Mandaric has done well Jones made some weird & some wonderful signings for us unfortunately the allegations against him affected the football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Well done. Really pleased for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 The club did the right thing to give Dave Jones leave to concentrate on fighting his case. Jones may have thought he was at risk of being sacked because of the poor results under him but he wasn't sacked. With the unsubstantiated allegations against him it was bound to affect his concentration on the job and since the club was at risk of relegation it needed Jones' full attention. Hoddle was brought in as temporary cover but it was Jones and, I think Mrs Jones, who made unfounded claims that the club were acting unfairly, that ultimately made his formal departure inevitable. Since then, he's never really done enough to make you feel we lost a great manager, and maybe he will now be back at his right level in next year's championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 He did well in finding some good players for us (I think: Beattie, Davies, Pahars, Marsden, Kachloul, Dean richards), which was his real success as a manager with us, but the football was never great. It kind of worked to have Hoddle after him as hoddle was terrible in the transfer market (Petrescu and who else?), but seemed to get the best from the team. On those grounds, you can see why somebody said he laid the foundations of the team we became. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Didn't rate him when he was here, his time with us didn't provide what I would call 'entertaining football'; but it would appear that he can excel in Div 1 and the Championship. PS Why did Cardiff sack him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 He did well in finding some good players for us (I think: Beattie, Davies, Pahars, Marsden, Kachloul, Dean richards), which was his real success as a manager with us, but the football was never great. It kind of worked to have Hoddle after him as hoddle was terrible in the transfer market (Petrescu and who else?), but seemed to get the best from the team. On those grounds, you can see why somebody said he laid the foundations of the team we became. Davies was a Souness signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Yeah, I wasn't sure. Still holds up as one of our best ever managers for transfers, I don't think any of them cost much and they were all very good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 I think he did a reasonable job for us, but results in his last season were deserving of the sack. I agree Lowe was in a no win situation with the allegations, but think Jones had taken us as far as he could. I'm pleased he's done well at Wednesday as he seems like a decent bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Didn't rate him when he was here, his time with us didn't provide what I would call 'entertaining football'; but it would appear that he can excel in Div 1 and the Championship. PS Why did Cardiff sack him? Consistent failure to get promotion with some very expensively assembled sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Good manager who's time at Saints was cut short by RL being swayed by a load of unsubstantiated nonsense. Dave Jones could have had a field day if he'd taken legal action against the club. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty??? Lowe got rid without a shred of evidence that suggested that Jones was guilty. Shame on him for that! This is "a load of unsubstantiated nonsense." Any chance to bash Lowe, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Great manager for Saints, laid the foundations of what was achieved under Hoddle and Strachan. Er.............no ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 I'll think your find Lowe gave him leave to fight his cause, he didnt sakc him and given our results at the time were clearly effected by it I have to say as no Lowe fan that this was a great move by him. Our form was awful at the time and Jones could have actually be sacked because we were heading for relegation. I felt Lowe did the decent and right thing at the time. he did the right thing and things picked up after that. Now, what was the name of the successful new manager ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Good luck to Dave Jones a decent man who did a decent job for us and many other clubs.I will not join in with all the negative posts knocking. him but wish him well after what he and his family went threw. Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Got promoted today with shef wednesday. Well deserved! so at the end of the day perhaps Milan was right to sack Megson and appoint Jones because at one time they weren't in the automatic promotion places.Can't say the same for Huddersfield's choice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 he did the right thing and things picked up after that. Now, what was the name of the successful new manager ? Strachan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Strachan. Excellent manager, shame we didn't get Hoddle in after he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 (edited) Good manager who's time at Saints was cut short by RL being swayed by a load of unsubstantiated nonsense. Dave Jones could have had a field day if he'd taken legal action against the club. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty??? Lowe got rid without a shred of evidence that suggested that Jones was guilty. Shame on him for that! Not really want ting to support Lowe however in this instance I can't really see what else he could have done! I think DJ was put on garden leave on full pay! that is actually quite normal for these circumstances! Not sure that he therefore had any grounds for legal action! These are always difficult decisons to take when someone has a court case outstanding and are subject to critiscism whatever you do! Particulalry given the effects on our form at the time as has been mentioned by others above! Having said all of that he has my congratulations for getting Wednesday up ahead of United! Edited 6 May, 2012 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 I'll think your find Lowe gave him leave to fight his cause, he didnt sakc him and given our results at the time were clearly effected by it I have to say as no Lowe fan that this was a great move by him. Our form was awful at the time and Jones could have actually be sacked because we were heading for relegation. I felt Lowe did the decent and right thing at the time. Have to agree with this. Lowe remains one of the most unpleasant blots on the history of SFC, but he really cannot be criticised for his treatment of Dave Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzpop Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 I don't see how what I said earlier is utter bollix, He did lay the foundations of the "successful period" which followed in the next 3-4 years. The main hub of the team was Paul Jones, Wayne Bridge, Claus Lundekvam, Jason Dodd, Chris Marsden, Matthew Oakley, James Beattie, Marian Pahars, Jo Tessem. Of which half he signed. And yes perhaps some of the signings didn't work out how they should have i.e. Mark Hughes, David Howells, John Beresford, Stuart Ripley, Scott Marshall, but show me a manager who doesn't sign some iffy ones. What we have to remember is that we didn't have a lot of money to play with back then, and the some signings were shrewd and kept us floating above water such as the Carlton Palmers', David Hirst, Trond Egil Soltvedt. He also got us to 10th which was a big feat at the time, and didn't he win the manager's manager award one year. Although not the best manager we've had he certainly wasn't the worst manager and seemed to tolerate working with Lowe a lot more than the ones who followed and went before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Did OK, nothing more, nothing less. Personally, I didn't warm to the bloke and felt he came to the end of the road and should have gone regardless of any accusations. I also felt that Lowe bottled it slightly and should have just sacked him for results. I felt he wanted Hoddle in and hid behind the "giving him time off to clear himself" line. I think Lowe wanted him out and Hoddle in, but was afraid of the negitive headlines, because of the situation DJ was in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Have to agree with this. Lowe remains one of the most unpleasant blots on the history of SFC, but he really cannot be criticised for his treatment of Dave Jones. Did not Mrs Jones think otherwise at the time, I think history shows that she was very angry and totally blamed Rupert Lowe, something about "killing my husband". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 The man who told me "Matt le tissier will never be a great player as he hasn't win medals"! Forgive me if I'm not too keen. Was only 17 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Originally Posted by scotty Have to agree with this. Lowe remains one of the most unpleasant blots on the history of SFC, but he really cannot be criticised for his treatment of Dave Jones. Did not Mrs Jones think otherwise at the time, I think history shows that she was very angry and totally blamed Rupert Lowe, something about "killing my husband". She certainly did, but just like a dog owner insisting the fire brigade saves the family pet that wandered onto thin ice, just not much logic in the position. Dave Jones form on it's own warranted dismissal and it was only because the court date was postponed that the board felt things could go on for no longer, otherwise we really could have been in the sheite doing the "right" thing. Dave Jones major contribution to Saints was through the transfer market and we had to go back to Lawrie for someone who made an impact with buys. Some left scratching your head like the talented Mr Ripley but even nut jobs like Carlton Palmer had a lot of value in them. Many look at WGS as being good for Saints in the market, but he is quick to point out other scouts being responsible for the good ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I'm quite pleased we weren't in League 1 this season. United failed to get auto with 90 points, and were on 92 up until injury time, and still would have been in the play-offs. And there were more than 38,000 at Hillsborough on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Great manager for Saints, laid the foundations of what was achieved under Hoddle and Strachan. pure rubbish. Dave Jones did very little for saints and was right to be moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Great manager for Saints, laid the foundations of what was achieved under Hoddle and Strachan. pure rubbish. Dave Jones did very little for saints and was right to be moved on. Two extreme views, some truth in both though. It was largely down to Jones better signings that enabled the team to move on, Richards, Marsden,Pahars, Beattie. That said, it was also his p!ss poor signings,and their attitude that saw us heading for the drop before he was relieved of his duties, ie Palmer (in his second season with us),Hirst, Hughes,Ripley. He also made some dreadful signings for us - Todd, Marshall (OG). ln the end Lowe was right to remove him, and I'm convinced he would have gone a couple of months sooner on the back of results had it not been for the court case hanging over him. Seems a nice bloke though, and I would not begrudge him his 'success' elsewhere since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Congratulations to Dave Jones,always comes across as a great guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I'll think your find Lowe gave him leave to fight his cause, he didnt sakc him and given our results at the time were clearly effected by it I have to say as no Lowe fan that this was a great move by him. Our form was awful at the time and Jones could have actually be sacked because we were heading for relegation. I felt Lowe did the decent and right thing at the time. +1. Only person that deserved to be sued was the lying cheat who made up the allegations – were they ever charged by the old bill for time wasting? Also IMHO if the allegation was not made, DJ would have been sacked anyway. I did and still do like him as a person however and wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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