dubai_phil Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Following on from the "interesting" Danny Fox thread. Kelvin & Bart in the Premiership. Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niemi14 Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Definitely need to bring in an up and coming goalkeeper, possibly from abroad as I can't think of many British ones ... I think Kelvin will surprise a few next season and have a great season, winning plaudits for great displays. He has improved every season he has been here and at 35, is in his prime for a goalkeeper. People who say he doesn't come for high balls/crosses need to watch him more closely, he is a very talented goalkeeper. He completely deserves a crack in the Premier League, loyalty still has a place in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Super Kel is worthy of a second crack at the premier league. He'll do us proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Definitely need to bring in an up and coming goalkeeper, possibly from abroad as I can't think of many British ones ... I think Kelvin will surprise a few next season and have a great season, winning plaudits for great displays. He has improved every season he has been here and at 35, is in his prime for a goalkeeper. People who say he doesn't come for high balls/crosses need to watch him more closely, he is a very talented goalkeeper. He completely deserves a crack in the Premier League, loyalty still has a place in football. Agree with most of that. GK's to consider, Butland at Brum if they don't go up, or Smithies at Huddersfield, McCarthy at Reading although unlike;y they will release him. KD worries me a bit. As someone posted on another thread surprised that he was voted in the Championship team ahead of, for example, Federrici (?).Yes,KD deserves his chance, but I'm under no illusion, there is a question over how/if he'll step up. Is our defence so much better than Sunderland's when against Prem strikers ? As for the other clown, get shot asap.Just thankful he did not have to be called on again in a pressurised match in the run in. Tommy Forecast anyone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Kelvin will be fine. Bart will be ok as our number 3 keeper, we need to find a no 2 keeper. IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Kelvin will be fine. Bart will be ok as our number 3 keeper, we need to find a no 2 keeper. IMHO Probably a realistic and fair assessment. No 2 has to push for a place and be capable. Do we need a No 3 keeper, in view of the 25 man squad limits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Suspect Bart will not be with us next season, and hopefully Fourpast will be gone as well. So need to sign 2 new keepers, one youngster as No 3, and one established experienced keeper initially as backup to KD. While KD's ability at crosses and corners has improved markedly, he still gives me the shivers at times I'm afraid, but for sure he will be No.1 to start with at least next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Probably a realistic and fair assessment. No 2 has to push for a place and be capable. Do we need a No 3 keeper, in view of the 25 man squad limits 3rd choice keeper likely to be under 21, hence has no impact on squad size, and also means it won't be Bart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 I think we will have 3 keepers in the 25 man squad. With 7 subs next season I would imagine that we will have a keeper on the bench in every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 3rd choice keeper likely to be under 21, hence has no impact on squad size, and also means it won't be Bart. Do we have a potential keeper in the Academy at the moment? I only saw them against Forest, not very fair to judge a keeper on that night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Davis should have 1, maybe 2 seasons. We need a 2nd keeper though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Jack Butland would do for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 KD has had a brilliant season. I have no problem with him as a first choice goalkeeper. I have not seen Bart enough lately to comment. It's likely that the performance against Blackpool was a one-off, but I'm not sure I feel comfortable risking him. Of course Jack Butland signing would be amazing. Otherwise how does anyone feel about Jason Steele? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 I think Bart has been given a hard time after one bad match. I think he probably is good enough, but for his own career I think he might want to move on as he never really gets a look in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Kelvin will be fine. Bart will be ok as our number 3 keeper, we need to find a no 2 keeper. IMHO I have no idea why people think we should sign players who are worse than the ones we have. It is utter insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Do we have a potential keeper in the Academy at the moment? I only saw them against Forest, not very fair to judge a keeper on that night Assuming Dovey would be the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 5 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 May, 2012 KD is the best Keeper outside the PL (Well that is what the Voting system says) I would have him as first choice at the start of the season without any hesitation. He is in his Prime, has had a great season and has PL experience and will NOT want to screw up his big chance. Bart is IMHO a very good keeper. BUT I think it is clear that he has not had enough playing time. Hence concentration and experience wise he now has a problem. For that I lay the blame squarely on the idiots that signed Fourpast. IF we had an acceptable 3rd choice, then while we were in L1 & even nPc, we could have let Bart out on one month loans to get that experience and game time. Now we have a problem. Technically Bart should be good enough as #2 but mentally he is certainly not ready for the PL in that position. So we DO need a number two. Think Bart would benefit from a season long loan, so that makes it even more difficult to work out what to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 I have no idea why people think we should sign players who are worse than the ones we have. It is utter insanity. It's not a case of signing someone worse but signing someone who is willing to fit into the squad mentality and accept the Kelvin will probably get his chance first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Firstly if Bart was nervous and jittery in the Championship, what is he going to be like in the Premier. A mediocre Premier side must have a first class goalkeeper because against the better sides he will be in the game a lot. There is no point in buying a backup, buy the best we can get and let Kelvin fight for his place, after all he could get injured and Bart or Forecast would get us relegated in short order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 I'm sorry but Bart has to go. Kelvin has earned his chance, but we need to reinforce with the best keeper available as our number one top priority in the transfer market in my opinion. I'd love to see Kelvin then switch to become goalkeeping coach in due course. He's loyal and deserves that progression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 I think Bart has every chance of playing Premier League football next season ... maybe for the likes of St Mirren or Inverness Caledonian Thistle perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MINIBARCELONASAINT Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Assuming Dovey would be the choice. Was released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmonkey1979 Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 I reckon kasper Schmeical would be worth a punt. Would push Davis for a start and fits our young and hungry philosophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Bart has to go. I would bring in an older guy as a number 2 and identify a long term sucseesor to Kelvin and get him in, before loaning him out for the season. Back up keeper is the hardest job in football and my opinion is that it needs to be an older pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Bart has to go. I would bring in an older guy as a number 2 and identify a long term sucseesor to Kelvin and get him in, before loaning him out for the season. Back up keeper is the hardest job in football and my opinion is that it needs to be an older pro. Still think we'll bring in a new number 1 bis keeper myself,maybe he won't start straight away but I just don't think Kelv is quite good enough to be a number 1 keeper in the PL.Spilled shots will have us in all sorts of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Jack Butland would do for me likewise. If the Blues don't go up they are ****ed and all their players are there for the taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 I reckon kasper Schmeical would be worth a punt. Would push Davis for a start and fits our young and hungry philosoph that will be the fella we need.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterlooville saint Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 What about Henessey at Wolves or Bogdan from Bolton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 What about Henessey at Wolves or Bogdan from Bolton? It doesn't look like Hennessey will be fit until the autumn. I liked Bogdan when he played against us, looks a decent keeper. Looks like Bolton are for the drop after today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Davis definitely deserves his chance in the Premiership after having stuck with Saints in League 1 and continued to improve during his time here. But we need a new young Gk to push him for a start, and eventually take over from him. Don't think Bart is anywhere near up to Prem standard, even as a number 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponto1963 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Not quite sure whilst all are so anti Bart, kept us in the JPT. and remember all the slagging that Davis has had in the past. However we do need to get rid of Forecast and get anoth no.3 goaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Kelvin has earned his chance. See how it goes, and if it is disastrous by Christmas, bring someone in with a view to slowly replacing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disintegration87 Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 register Nige as player-manager and use him as 3rd choice keeper... he's done brilliantly in getting us to the PL and now he deserves his chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 8 May, 2012 register Nige as player-manager and use him as 3rd choice keeper... he's done brilliantly in getting us to the PL and now he deserves his chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK_Phoey Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 Personally like Davis and agree with others on here that he has vastly improved in the last two years. Having said that don't think we should be signing anyone for any position as a back up. Anyone we sign has to make the squad better and be able to push even the senior players for their place from day one. We don't really have any players, perhaps Connolly excepted, that are proven premier league players, we have one or two that have flirted in the premier league and played a season there or parts of a season there but that is about it. Please do not misread this as me believing that none of them can make it either. I think we have a number of players that could and will do well and of course I hope they do. Kelvin for me is our clear number one, but do feel a bit concerned that he is not quite good enough for the premier league and may struggle, think we need to be signing someone that will be pushing Kelvin hard for the number one position, if we can't bring in someone that can potentially replace Kelvin within this season I don't think we should bring in anyone. Would rather see us struggle with the existing squad than see us bloat the squad with a number of second rate "understudies" who are never going to be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 I felt at the time that Kelvin had cemented his place in next year's staring line-up with his performance at Leeds. Even though I have significant reservations about him - and Premier League teams will be much better at spotting and exploiting his weaknesses - I think he probably deserves a shot. However, if we go into this season with Bart as his only real back-up we're taking a massive and potentially fatal risk. For me it's a top priority to sign a quality keeper who's more than capable of starting ahead of Kelvin. Things went quiet on that Dutch guy but I suspect he's still under consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 8 May, 2012 Share Posted 8 May, 2012 For this first season at least, if we don't sign any keepers this summer, I won't be upset. I have confidence in both, but I do expect Adkins will be looking around for a perfect replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Suspect Bart will not be with us next season, and hopefully Fourpast will be gone as well. So need to sign 2 new keepers, one youngster as No 3, and one established experienced keeper initially as backup to KD. While KD's ability at crosses and corners has improved markedly, he still gives me the shivers at times I'm afraid, but for sure he will be No.1 to start with at least next season. Agree totally Vectis (unfortunately) but the Blackpool game was his downfall, I'm afraid. Nice chap and all that, but there are a few others "nice guys" on the way out, too. He's been on the bench for "yonks" but to come in and make basic errors as he did, didn't fill me, (or I suspect NA) with loads of confidence. A performance like that against Man.U , City or Chelsea would put our GD in MINUS (-) double figures ...in just one game. Quite a few Prem.sides have TWO international keepers, I'll admit that on last two years apparaisal KD is worth a shot, but we must get REAL cover for the most imortant place in the team. I was disappointed that Blackburn are down, but I think that Paul Robinson is worth a look . At 32 he's still "young " in goalie terms. YES, he's made a mistakes in Internationals, but most keepers do periodically and Robert Green is not so hot. Robinson looked convincing despite the loss against Wigan, and certainly commanded his area. and had no chance with the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Kelvin has earned his chance. See how it goes, and if it is disastrous by Christmas, bring someone in with a view to slowly replacing him. If he's that bad ....by Christmas, it'll be TOO late. We must sign MINIMUM one good, international class keeper before August, as cover / competition for KD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 Isn't Bart out of contract soon anyway. Just can't see us persisting with him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatvianTolix Posted 10 May, 2012 Share Posted 10 May, 2012 I honestly think we need to convince Howard from Everton to join us. He is out of contract later this summer so is available for free. Apart from that we are going upwards but Everton did stagnate for more than 4-5 years during his spell there with no forcasting improvements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the scud Posted 11 May, 2012 Share Posted 11 May, 2012 No Jack Dovey hasn't been released spent last season on loan at Eastleigh and did very well and me thinks he may be loaned out to league 2 side next season. I do believe he signed a new contract last summer but depending on where he goes next season willdecide the outcome of his future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 May, 2012 Share Posted 11 May, 2012 I honestly think we need to convince Howard from Everton to join us. He is out of contract later this summer so is available for free. Apart from that we are going upwards but Everton did stagnate for more than 4-5 years during his spell there with no forcasting improvements yeah, we are going upwards and in a few years, we may be as good as everton..where you want him to leave... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 11 May, 2012 Share Posted 11 May, 2012 Biggest gap in our squad IMO. Need to replace Bart as our number one priority with someone as good as or better than Kelvin and a few years younger. I'd take a look a Kieron Westwood from Sunderland or possibly even risk Craig Gordon if they release him? Either way Sunderland have three very good keepers, one will be leaving this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 11 May, 2012 Share Posted 11 May, 2012 The honourable thing to do would be to continue with Kelvin as our first choice. From a performance perspective, the sensible thing to do would be to buy better (if better can be found). Perhaps a balance can be struck - bring in a younger keeper (c. 24-27) who is already on a par with Kelvin. Kelvin can start the season on the pitch, and there should be competition for places. The only problem will be finding such a keeper - there are probably several who meet this billing availiable on the continent. Forecast should be paid up or shipped of. The decision on Bart should be made by the training staff; he can be third choice and loaned out, or released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonbairn Posted 11 May, 2012 Share Posted 11 May, 2012 Bart will go and Kelvin deserves another crack at the Premiership after his performances this season I've mentioned on a previous thread that Cammy Bell at Kilmarnock would be a great signing. I've had a close look at Kasper Schmeichel and Tim Krul when they both spent a loan period at my home club (Falkirk), and although they had great potential and have gone on to do extremely well, I think Bell is a better. Already capped by Scotland, far better than Alan McGregor and Craig Gordon and would go at a good price for a cash strapped club Get him on the bus Nige Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamyCM Posted 11 May, 2012 Share Posted 11 May, 2012 Davis IMO will start as number one next season, Bart I don't think will make it in the premier league. I will hope NA will sign a number two which will be pushing for a first team place and ultimately replace Davis in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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