View From The Top Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 I get the sense that many of twigged that, in fact, we aren't "all in this together". The 50p cut could be Dave's Poll Tax. All, of course, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 I get the sense that many of twigged that, in fact, we aren't "all in this together". The 50p cut could be Dave's Poll Tax. All, of course, IMHO. If only he'd reduced it to the 40% that Labour held it at for most of their tenure... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 If only he'd reduced it to the 40% that Labour held it at for most of their tenure... ;-) That's not the point though is it. Many ordinary folk feel that the tories are looking after the rich at their expense and the Brits don't like that. Dave has dropped a boll ock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 That's not the point though is it. Many ordinary folk feel that the tories are looking after the rich at their expense and the Brits don't like that. Dave has dropped a boll ock. I give the 'ordinary folk' more credit than that. I'm sure people can see the principle behind reducing the high rate of tax to 5% above what Labour held it at, whilst at the same time removing a record number of low earners out of tax altogether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2012 I get the sense that many of twigged that, in fact, we aren't "all in this together". The 50p cut could be Dave's Poll Tax. All, of course, IMHO. Agree on this. There was no need to poke this particular beehive. Most who should be at that rate dodge it anyway, and it's certainly not a bar to US executives being paid out of a US cost centre, so removing it was a large political blunder. Achieved nothing but the ire of the majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 I give the 'ordinary folk' more credit than that. I'm sure people can see the principle behind reducing the high rate of tax to 5% above what Labour held it at, whilst at the same time removing a record number of low earners out of tax altogether Exactly this. 50% tax in a ridiculous amount anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 I give the 'ordinary folk' more credit than that. I'm sure people can see the principle behind reducing the high rate of tax to 5% above what Labour held it at, whilst at the same time removing a record number of low earners out of tax altogether No, they can't. They see rich folk getting their tax cut whilst they lose their tax credits. The "squeezed middle" are the ones that feel it, not those at the bottom being removed from tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Exactly this. 50% tax in a ridiculous amount anyway. You are aware it's not 50% on all earnings aren't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 I get the sense that many of twigged that, in fact, we aren't "all in this together". The 50p cut could be Dave's Poll Tax. All, of course, IMHO. You're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Giving the very rich a tax break whilst we are laying off police and nurses etc whilst evryone is feeling the pinch is just f*cking retarded. Typical tories looking after themselves. Glad the c*nts got a good kicking in the polls yesterday. I can see a massive switch to socialism in the future as the austerity gets worse. Everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Giving the very rich a tax break whilst we are laying off police and nurses etc whilst evryone is feeling the pinch is just f*cking retarded. Typical tories looking after themselves. Glad the c*nts got a good kicking in the polls yesterday. I can see a massive switch to socialism in the future as the austerity gets worse. Everywhere. Not in England. England is solid Conservative, but unfortunately we are lumbered with the Welsh, Scots and scousers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Not in England. England is solid Conservative, but unfortunately we are lumbered with the Welsh, Scots and scousers. Disagree. The cuts have barely taken effect yet. When people really start to feel the pinch they will turn against the tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 We had that option last year. Equal number of voters per constituency. English votes only on devolved issues. We did not have a vote on PR last year. We had a vote to move from one majoritarian system to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Disagree. The cuts have barely taken effect yet. When people really start to feel the pinch they will turn against the tories. You seem to be keen to portray the cuts as some kind of exclusive Tory crusade. All three main parties said before the general election that widespread cuts were necessary and despite the retrospective rhetoric of the Labour Party there wasn't a huge difference in the rate and quantity of cuts being proposed. Whichever party had assumed power in 2010 there would have had to have been unpalatable cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 You are aware it's not 50% on all earnings aren't you. Of course I'm aware. What's your point? It's a ridiculous amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 You seem to be keen to portray the cuts as some kind of exclusive Tory crusade. All three main parties said before the general election that widespread cuts were necessary and despite the retrospective rhetoric of the Labour Party there wasn't a huge difference in the rate and quantity of cuts being proposed. Whichever party had assumed power in 2010 there would have had to have been unpalatable cuts. Agree, whoever was in government would get a hard time. Handing out tax benefits to millionaires is not going to help get the average person on side though. How would you feel if you were a copper just dumped on the dole because there's "not enough money" seeing a milionaire given a few extra grand to stick in the bank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 UKIP to lose deposit in London Mayoral election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 UKIP to lose deposit in London Mayoral election. Ah well. Boris will win it. Today the mayor of London tomorrow Prime Minister. I would campaign for him should he stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Ah well. Boris will win it. Today the mayor of London tomorrow Prime Minister. I would campaign for him should he stand. I expect you're right, though it isn't quite tied up yet. Much closer race than anticipated. Cameron must have been sweating tonight. An unemployed Boris is his worst nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 I expect you're right, though it isn't quite tied up yet. Much closer race than anticipated. Cameron must have been sweating tonight. An unemployed Boris is his worst nightmare. Rubbish, the only thing worse for Cameron than Boris losing is Boris winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 @RaheemJKassam: Miliband is such a tool. "I bring you news from Scotland!" he says to Southampton crowd. Thanks Ed. This isn't 1840. #londonelects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 I expect you're right, though it isn't quite tied up yet. Much closer race than anticipated. Cameron must have been sweating tonight. An unemployed Boris is his worst nightmare. Not sure why anyone is bothered if it is close or not. All that matters is the final result. Both the Lib Dems and the Tories were going to suffer by a public who blame them for the cuts. The annoying thing is that if Labour had been in power then the same thing would have happened to them. Wish the public would understand that cuts would have happened either way and voted accordingly though the closeness of MPs in general to the media is unsettling for politics in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Rubbish, the only thing worse for Cameron than Boris losing is Boris winning. I don't know. If he lost, you can bet he'd be back in the HoC ASAP and causing havoc. If he wins, it gives Cameron 4 more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Being honest. I can't think of one politician I trust or would move me to vote at the moment. They are all utter c*nts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 @edwestonline: Exit poll in Tower Hamlets has Johnson on 20%, Paddick on 7%, Jones on 7% and Livingstone on 105% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Rubbish, the only thing worse for Cameron than Boris losing is Boris winning. It's true. I personally would love Boris as leader wouldn't you? A refreshing change and someone who sticks to his principles and backs up his words with action. A true patriot as well and someone who wouldn't be pushed around by Europe and also someone who doesn't take himself too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 It's true. I personally would love Boris as leader wouldn't you? A refreshing change and someone who sticks to his principles and backs up his words with action. A true patriot as well and someone who wouldn't be pushed around by Europe and also someone who doesn't take himself too seriously. He certainly is a strange one, got a lot more about him than Cameron and Beaker Milliband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 FFS....counting ballot papers isn't rocket science... @lbc973: Unconfirmed reports that the Mayoral result may be another 90 minutes away after two ballot boxes were found uncounted in Brent & Harrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 FFS....counting ballot papers isn't rocket science... @lbc973: Unconfirmed reports that the Mayoral result may be another 90 minutes away after two ballot boxes were found uncounted in Brent & Harrow. That's quite worrying that they can just suddenly find 2 extra boxes they missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Being honest. I can't think of one politician I trust or would move me to vote at the moment. They are all utter c*nts. Dennis Skinner, Kate Hoey, Bill Cash, Nigel Farage. Politics needs more mavericks that don't give a sh/t about their careers, but instead stand by their convictions. That's why Enoch Powell was so admired (and still is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Dennis Skinner, Kate Hoey, Bill Cash, Nigel Farage. Politics needs more mavericks that don't give a sh/t about their careers, but instead stand by their convictions. That's why Enoch Powell was so admired (and still is). That's half the problem, you get the impression everything they say these days has to be vetted by a marketing agency first and what they do say is toeing the party line, not their true beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 That's quite worrying that they can just suddenly find 2 extra boxes they missed. In Livingstone's former constituency, coincidently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Livingston now demanding a recount in Brent according to LBC Radio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Livingston now demanding a recount in Brent according to LBC Radio He is an odious bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 He is an odious bloke. Why does that make him an odious bloke? If it is sufficiently close as seems to be indicated, it's perfectly within his rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 He is an odious bloke. He is. He plays the socialist card whilst feathering his own nest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 ha, notice how the dull ex copper has been pushed into 4th by the weirdo greens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 ffs, why on earth do the tories keep putting that sour faced Warsi woman on the TV. She's not even an elected politician such is her failure and lack of appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2012 That's half the problem, you get the impression everything they say these days has to be vetted by a marketing agency first and what they do say is toeing the party line, not their true beliefs. I'd agree with this. I listen or watch a lot of political stuff, and it is so amazingly frustrating to hear one side of the argument repeated ad nauseam, even when Humphries or the like have repeatedly pulled them up on it. They're all as guilty at it as each other. The anchors are wise to it, the public are wise to it and I suspect we're all sick of hearing florid responses which fill air time yet say nothing. This is why Boris is so popular and is being touted as a possible PM. I would vote for Boris - not because I share all of his political views, but because he actually seems real. All the blunders and gaffes actually make him more endearing and authentic. After all, isn't occassionally making an arse of yourself an essential part of being a Brit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Why does that make him an odious bloke? If it is sufficiently close as seems to be indicated, it's perfectly within his rights. The two comments were exclusive of one another. Trousers mentioned Livingstone and I said he was odious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 I'd agree with this. I listen or watch a lot of political stuff, and it is so amazingly frustrating to hear one side of the argument repeated ad nauseam, even when Humphries or the like have repeatedly pulled them up on it. They're all as guilty at it as each other. The anchors are wise to it, the public are wise to it and I suspect we're all sick of hearing florid responses which fill air time yet say nothing. This is why Boris is so popular and is being touted as a possible PM. I would vote for Boris - not because I share all of his political views, but because he actually seems real. All the blunders and gaffes actually make him more endearing and authentic. After all, isn't occassionally making an arse of yourself an essential part of being a Brit? The blundering and gaffing and being a fool is all an act. He is a very clever man and smooth operator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 I'd agree with this. I listen or watch a lot of political stuff, and it is so amazingly frustrating to hear one side of the argument repeated ad nauseam, even when Humphries or the like have repeatedly pulled them up on it. They're all as guilty at it as each other. The anchors are wise to it, the public are wise to it and I suspect we're all sick of hearing florid responses which fill air time yet say nothing. This is why Boris is so popular and is being touted as a possible PM. I would vote for Boris - not because I share all of his political views, but because he actually seems real. All the blunders and gaffes actually make him more endearing and authentic. After all, isn't occassionally making an arse of yourself an essential part of being a Brit? Yes, something I'm actually quite successful at :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2012 ffs, why on earth do the tories keep putting that sour faced Warsi woman on the TV. She's not even an elected politician such is her failure and lack of appeal. Oddly enough, Warsi would have been one of the few Tories with a humble background. Needless to say, she is not part of the inner circle (see also: Pickles). Perhaps she is suffering from an inferiority complex which feeds her hate and anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 This is why Boris is so popular and is being touted as a possible PM. I would vote for Boris - not because I share all of his political views, but because he actually seems real. All the blunders and gaffes actually make him more endearing and authentic. After all, isn't occassionally making an arse of yourself an essential part of being a Brit? I agree, but tbh i don't think i'll vote mainstream again because they are all the same once they get in. Just like wjen Cameron promised an eu referendum and now wont give us one because he wont get the result he wants. These career politicians dont believe in democracy, they dont believe in letting people have their say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 Oddly enough, Warsi would have been one of the few Tories with a humble background. Needless to say, she is not part of the inner circle (see also: Pickles). Perhaps she is suffering from an inferiority complex which feeds her hate and anger. she's just a sour faced ignorant tw/t. She's such a bad advertisement for the Tory party. A real vote loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 How such a lightweight such as Warsi is Co-Chairman is beyond me. She consistently gets showed up and is very lacklustre in debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2012 The blundering and gaffing and being a fool is all an act. He is a very clever man and smooth operator. I agree with your last statement - not so sure about the first. Do you really think that having to go to Liverpool to apologise to enraged scousers was a tiny stitch in the master plan to "make Boris look fit for PM"? I mean, it's possible that this is some scheme of Moriarty proportions to gain country-wide acclaim at the expense of a city that were never going to vote for him anyway, but probably not likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 (edited) How such a lightweight such as Warsi is Co-Chairman is beyond me. She consistently gets showed up and is very lacklustre in debate. It's obvious why she's there. She's Asian and a woman and talks common, and she's plonked on the TV to try to make out the party is all modern. She's actually stood for election and was a flopr, so there can be no other explanation. Can you see them having a white, posh, male ballot box failure sat there as co chairman? She's a perfect illustration of the stupidity of current tory strategists. Edited 4 May, 2012 by dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2012 she's just a sour faced ignorant tw/t. She's such a bad advertisement for the Tory party. A real vote loser. She comes across as a woman who lacks compassion, which is a real turn-off to anyone who has met the countless women that have it in abundance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 May, 2012 Share Posted 4 May, 2012 I agree with your last statement - not so sure about the first. Do you really think that having to go to Liverpool to apologise to enraged scousers was a tiny stitch in the master plan to "make Boris look fit for PM"? I mean, it's possible that this is some scheme of Moriarty proportions to gain country-wide acclaim at the expense of a city that were never going to vote for him anyway, but probably not likely. Oh, he says what he likes. But my point is the fool act is very valuable for him in gaining votes from elsewhere than the traditional base that he would normally get. I for example know people who have voted Boris today, and Labour everywhere else just because they think Boris is a laugh/funny, and nothing to do with policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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