dune Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 He does, because Adkins wants his keepers to play out from the back rather than a long punt upfield all the time. Davis and Bialkowski's kicking last season was inconsistent in quality to say the least. Well that's gonna take a lot of training isn't it. Adkins: I want you to trow the ball out if you can. Keeper: OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Why Mr aggresive all the time, I thought that was a reasonable post from MLG, I thought the same. It's not. It is quite clear a keeper is by a mile the easiest position to Integrate into the team. I should imagine any keeper going to the premier league can quite easily grasp the "roll out to a full back or Morgan" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 He does, because Adkins wants his keepers to play out from the back rather than a long punt upfield all the time. Davis and Bialkowski's kicking last season was inconsistent in quality to say the least. I'd like to think that any 'keeper we sign is already competent enough to roll a ball 15 yards. It's the outfield players who need to learn that style and make it a force of habit to come short and make themselves available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Would take all of 5 minutes to learn that. Well that's gonna take a lot of training isn't it. Adkins: I want you to trow the ball out if you can. Keeper: OK I'd like to think that any 'keeper we sign is already competent enough to roll a ball 15 yards. It's the outfield players who need to learn that style and make it a force of habit to come short and make themselves available. Davis still isn't able to manage it very well. We had lots of edge of seat moments last season when it came to his poor distribution. Why Mr aggresive all the time, I thought that was a reasonable post from MLG, I thought the same. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Apparently Marca reported this morning that no bids for him have been made this summer. Again - not sure how reliable Fourth Official is. Bloody typical, I was reading (i.e. looking for familiar names in) Marca on Wednesday... Thursday, news of a player Saints have been linked with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Why Mr aggresive all the time, I thought that was a reasonable post from MLG, I thought the same. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 It's not. It is quite clear a keeper is by a mile the easiest position to Integrate into the team. I should imagine any keeper going to the premier league can quite easily grasp the "roll out to a full back or Morgan" I think it's easier to integrate strikers, there's less impact from their defensive mistakes and even with no training at all they can still create chances and score goals through improvisation - Tadanari Lee showed that he hadn't been integrated into our possession and low risk attacking with all his direct runs in behind which never got him the ball, but he still scored goals. Get a keeper that constantly kicks it long to anyone other than Lambert and our entire possession system is undermined. I agree that it doesn't take long to coach them to do otherwise, but it probably takes a while to work them into the systems of who goes where and when, what's an acceptable risk, where to position yourself to get a ball back from the full backs, etc. It took Kelv about 6 months in 2010/11 to get comfortable passing short to the full backs and knowing where the unmarked man was from the full back/centre back movements. It will take longer to get a striker to play in a system than a keeper, but playing a keeper without knowledge of the defensive systems and communication or training with his defence is a much bigger risk than playing a striker who hasn't met his teammates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 14 July, 2012 Share Posted 14 July, 2012 Well that's gonna take a lot of training isn't it. Adkins: I want you to trow the ball out if you can. Keeper: OK What about organisation at corners? What about getting to know how his back four play when we're not in possession, both individually and collectively? I really don't understand why MLG gets the "banter" he does on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 14 July, 2012 Share Posted 14 July, 2012 What about organisation at corners? What about getting to know how his back four play when we're not in possession, both individually and collectively? I really don't understand why MLG gets the "banter" he does on here Because he is obsessive possibly autistic very definitely pedantic any more reasons you would like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 14 July, 2012 Share Posted 14 July, 2012 What about organisation at corners? What about getting to know how his back four play when we're not in possession, both individually and collectively? I really don't understand why MLG gets the "banter" he does on here The point i'm making is that it takes less time to train a keeper how to slot into our style of play than to train an outfield player our style of play. Would you not agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 14 July, 2012 Share Posted 14 July, 2012 The point i'm making is that it takes less time to train a keeper how to slot into our style of play than to train an outfield player our style of play. Would you not agree? As we only have one keeper who does not need to be trained and Fourpast who can't be trained it is surely a moot point but yes you are right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 14 July, 2012 Share Posted 14 July, 2012 What about organisation at corners? What about getting to know how his back four play when we're not in possession, both individually and collectively? I really don't understand why MLG gets the "banter" he does on here Agree entirely. He seems to annoy the likes of Delldays and Turkish who spend all their lives on here moaning about "mong boards" whilst posting thousands and thousands of times. Anyone who watched any match in the Euros involving the likes of Spain and Italy would surely have seen the importance of good distribution for any team playing a passing game. I knewexactly what MLGmeant and agreed with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 14 July, 2012 Share Posted 14 July, 2012 What about organisation at corners? What about getting to know how his back four play when we're not in possession, both individually and collectively? I really don't understand why MLG gets the "banter" he does on here I suspect you waste your time, the trolls are winning on here I'm afraid! they kill most threads, and it is the same old half dozen. As far as MLG goes, I enjoy his factual posts, which I suspect is what p1sses the trolls off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 14 July, 2012 Share Posted 14 July, 2012 I suspect you waste your time, the trolls are winning on here I'm afraid! they kill most threads, and it is the same old half dozen. As far as MLG goes, I enjoy his factual posts, which I suspect is what p1sses the trolls off. Its not so much the factual content its the way he presents it and then represents its ad-infanitum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 14 July, 2012 Share Posted 14 July, 2012 The point i'm making is that it takes less time to train a keeper how to slot into our style of play than to train an outfield player our style of play. Would you not agree? I'm not sure to be honest, not played in goal before so can't compare it to my (admittedly limited!) knowledge of outfield play and tactics. I was more questioning the point below. There's plenty of time. It's not like a keeper needs to learn our style of play. And in KD we've got a decent keeper anyway. And for the record, I agree with you on KD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 14 July, 2012 Share Posted 14 July, 2012 I'm not sure to be honest, not played in goal before so can't compare it to my (admittedly limited!) knowledge of outfield play and tactics. I was more questioning the point below. And for the record, I agree with you on KD! Well a keeper simply needs to be told to bowl it out when possible as opposed to hoofing it up the pitch. It's nowhere near as complicated as training a new outfield player and familiarising him with other players play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 July, 2012 Share Posted 14 July, 2012 Is Michu a keeper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 14 July, 2012 Share Posted 14 July, 2012 Is Michu a keeper? I thought he was an Avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 14 July, 2012 Share Posted 14 July, 2012 Is Michu a keeper? Could be if he wanted given how apparently ******* easy it is to integrate into the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9820650.Swansea_have_bid_accepted_for_rumoured_Saints_target/?ref=twt&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 Hope not, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9820650.Swansea_have_bid_accepted_for_rumoured_Saints_target/?ref=twt&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Interesting. Was our interest just paper talk? I wouldn't have thought we'd batter an eye lid at 2M for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 damn it was really hoping we would get this one. his record last season was amazing. cmon cortese sign him up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdearlove Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 Sky reporting the same: http://t.co/tyomKha4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 I see he is becoming a better player by the day....despite none of us seeing him play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 i watched him play against madrid last year. he looked very good. gets forward loads. at times he was nearly playing as a striker. he would be great if we decided to use 451 this season . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 I can only assume we're not interested in him. At £1.5m, he's very affordable and would surely be willing to talk to us if a bid for his services was accepted? Maybe Steven Davis was our number one target for centre-midfield, and since his arrival, we've moved on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 Sky reporting the same: http://t.co/tyomKha4 so, we were going to pay £5 million for him yet according to Sky Swansea have had a bid of £1.5 mill accepted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 The difference here is that Michus club have confirmed to sky sports that a bit has been accepted. Would Saints allow Rayo Vallecano to do that...no. I bet there's been loads of bids for him. It is such a myth that we would stop a club doing anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 Never seen the guy play though his record is impressive and the odd article I read suggests he's really good. However, consider his attributes 25 years old Top scorer from midfield in La Liga Available for peanuts So why is it that lower PL sides like ourselves are showing interest and Swansea seemingly getting close to signing him? Surely a player like Michu, going off his record last season etc. should be interesting much bigger clubs. Not saying the guy is useless or even average, I just find it odd that he can't attract better attention that Swansea and, if it was ever true, Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 To be honest I'm inclined to believe that if we really wanted him, and he's available at 1.5m, then we'd have him by now. We are pretty well stocked in CM now, if you include Hammond, Chaplow, Cork, Morgan and Davis. I think all 5 will play a part, so adding another is prob overkill considering positions like CB and GK are a higher priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 To be honest I'm inclined to believe that if we really wanted him, and he's available at 1.5m, then we'd have him by now. We are pretty well stocked in CM now, if you include Hammond, Chaplow, Cork, Morgan and Davis. I think all 5 will play a part, so adding another is prob overkill considering positions like CB and GK are a higher priority. I wouldn't describe signing a guy who scored 15 goals and had the most assists in La Liga last season as overkill. We are short of flair, creativity and goals in the middle of the park and turning down an oppurtunity to sign somebody as good as this guy would be foolish IMO, especially at £1.5m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 I wouldn't describe signing a guy who scored 15 goals and had the most assists in La Liga last season as overkill. We are short of flair, creativity and goals in the middle of the park and turning down an oppurtunity to sign somebody as good as this guy would be foolish IMO, especially at £1.5m. As I said, if we wanted him and he's available for £1.5m then we'd have got him by now, IMO. There's obviously reasons as to why we didn't pursue this, but I trust the guys behind the scenes as they know a hell of a lot more about potential additions than we ever will tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 He's a very good player and at £1.5m I'd be surprised if Swansea were the only team who have had a bid accepted, would be gutted if we miss out on him for that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 Its not so much the factual content its the way he presents it and then represents its ad-infanitum Can't say I have a problem with him either adding facts to a debate or bothering to reply in detail to people who try to pick on individual details of his posts. Sometimes he misses the obvious wind-ups but then all WUMs deserve their time wasted anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 Can't say I have a problem with him either adding facts to a debate or bothering to reply in detail to people who try to pick on individual details of his posts. Sometimes he misses the obvious wind-ups but then all WUMs deserve their time wasted anyway. It's more because him and people like him sap the fun, humour and character out of the game. It's been a trend ever since Fantasy Football in the 90's and the move from being a game you watch with your mates, having a laugh and a **** up, to one that's the domain of the office geek who quotes every stat under the sun - despite being such a fat mess/social retard they've never played the game themselves - and thinks they know something more than the equivalent of any spreadsheet ever made. Add to that the insanely boring posting style, lack of humour/banter/wit and seemingly Stalinish levels of complete delusion (or if you want to be more cynical propaganda) and i think he's far worse to this place than any wum merchant. To be fair i'd happily share a beer with Turkish et al since i know they'd rip the **** and have a laugh, i think if i went for a beer with MLG i'd either want to kill him for being so dull any women in a 90 mile radius had walked off, or i'd have drunk myself unconscious as a means of surviving the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2012 Share Posted 17 July, 2012 It's more because him and people like him sap the fun, humour and character out of the game. It's been a trend ever since Fantasy Football in the 90's and the move from being a game you watch with your mates, having a laugh and a **** up, to one that's the domain of the office geek who quotes every stat under the sun - despite being such a fat mess/social retard they've never played the game themselves - and thinks they know something more than the equivalent of any spreadsheet ever made. Add to that the insanely boring posting style, lack of humour/banter/wit and seemingly Stalinish levels of complete delusion (or if you want to be more cynical propaganda) and i think he's far worse to this place than any wum merchant. To be fair i'd happily share a beer with Turkish et al since i know they'd rip the **** and have a laugh, i think if i went for a beer with MLG i'd either want to kill him for being so dull any women in a 90 mile radius had walked off, or i'd have drunk myself unconscious as a means of surviving the night. None of which makes his contributions any less valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Swansea fans are worse than us, they're already parading him around as their player of the season and he hasn't even signed yet?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 Graeme Bailey reckons he's signed for Swansea...could be the one we missed out on, just hope we have someone better lined up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 Graeme Bailey reckons he's signed for Swansea...could be the one we missed out on, just hope we have someone better lined up. Could be this year's Craig Mackail-Smith... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 Graeme Bailey reckons he's signed for Swansea...could be the one we missed out on, just hope we have someone better lined up. Unless Davis was the 1st choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 Graeme Bailey reckons he's signed for Swansea...could be the one we missed out on, just hope we have someone better lined up. Davis looks to be a bit of a goalscorer anyway, don't reckon we need another CM let alone want one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 Davis looks to be a bit of a goalscorer anyway, don't reckon we need another CM let alone want one. Years Team Apps† (Gls)† 2004–2007 Aston Villa 91 (5) 2007–2008 Fulham 22 (0) 2008 → Rangers (loan) 12 (0) 2008–2012 Rangers 140 (17) 2012– Southampton 0 (0) Not that much of a goalscorer. I was more thinking he could play out on the right anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 Only ever speculation that we were interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 Sky Sports @SkySports Sky Sports understands Spanish midfielder Michu is undergoing a medical at Swansea. http://bit.ly/Os3Yf5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Just signed for Swansea on a 3yr deal. Will be interesting to see if he can cut it in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Just on BBC Sportsday FOOTBALL Swansea City complete the signing of Rayo Vallecano midfielder Michu, subject to international clearance. The 26-year-old Spaniard, who scored 15 goals in La Liga last season, agrees a three-year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Fantastic signing that is, we'll regret missing out on him very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Fantastic signing that is, we'll regret missing out on him very much. Have we missed out? Not a lot of evidence we ever put a bid in. We need a wide player, not a central attacking midfielder like Michu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Because he is obsessive possibly autistic very definitely pedantic any more reasons you would like? So people with autism should be ridiculed? Shame on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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