Last seasons promoted sides summer transfers and spending

[doddisalegend]

Came across this website and thought it made interesting reading. It gives all last summer's PL transfers with fees

 

http://www.betinf.com/england_transfer.htm

 

Of the three clubs that were promoted last season there summer transfer activity looked like this

 

 

Norwich City € 10m

 

Spanish defender Daniel Ayala from Liverpool for a fee of 0.9m; Defender Kyle Naughton on loan from Tottenham; Forward Anthony Pilkington from Huddersfield for a fee of 2.3m; Midfielder Bradley Johnson on a free transfer from Leeds; Midfielder Elliott Bennett from Brighton for a fee of 1.7m; Forward James Vaughan from Everton for a fee of 2.3m; Belgian defender Ritchie de Laet on loan from Manchester United; Wales forward Steve Morison from Millwall for a fee of 2.8m.

 

 

QPR € 10.3m

 

Defender Anton Ferdinand from Sunderland for a fee of 1.2m; Midfielder Jason Puncheon on loan from Southampton; Midfielder Shaun Wright-Phillips from Manchester City for a fee of 4.5m; Senegalese defender Armand Traore from Arsenal for a fee of 1.4m; Midfielder Joey Barton on a free transfer from Newcastle; Defender Luke Young from Aston Villa for a fee of 1.2m; Irish goalkeeper Brian Murphy on a free transfer from Ipswich; Brazilian defender Bruno Perone from Tombense; Forward D. J. Campbell from Blackpool for a fee of 2m; Welsh defender Danny Gabbidon on a free transfer from West Ham; Forward Jay Bothroyd on a free transfer from Cardiff; Midfielder Kieron Dyer on a free transfer from West Ham.

 

 

Swansea City € 12.1m

 

Greek defender Vangelis Moras on a free transfer from Bologna; French defender Darnel Situ from Lens for a fee of 0.3m; Argentinean defender Fede Bessone on a free transfer from Leeds; German goalkeeper Gerhard Tremmel on a free transfer from Red Bull Salzburg; Algerian defender Rafik Halliche on loan from Fulham; Dutch goalkeeper Michel Vorm from Utrecht for a fee of 1.7m; Midfielder Wayne Routledge from Newcastle for a fee of 3.3m; Forward Leroy Lita from Middlesbrough for a fee of 2m; Portuguese goalkeeper Jose Moreira from Benfica for a fee of 0.9m; Forward Danny Graham from Watford for a fee of 3.9m; Defender Steven Caulker on loan from Tottenham.

 

 

Might give us some insight in to what sort of money a new side might be looking to spend (10-12 million) and how many new faces we might have to bring in. Quite a few lower league players rather than established PL players (SWP and Joey Barton aside) in those lists.

Edited 1 May, 2012 by doddisalegend

[St Mikie]

Looks like Swansea had a goalkeeping issue as well???

[Glasgow_Saint]

QPR spend a further £10m+ in Jan

[doddisalegend]

QPR spend a further £10m+ in Jan

 

£14.5 million apparently. With Swansea spending half a million and Norwich another 5 million in January

[Window Cleaner]

£14.5 million apparently. With Swansea spending half a million and Norwich another 5 million in January

 

Not to mention how much the loan of Sigurdsson must have cost Swansea.

 

Everybody always thinks that accession to the PL is a gold mine but in reality it's only about 40 million a year more,the oft quoted 90 million only comes into play if you get relegated.Of course if you don't you get a second year at 40+ million but it's not 90 million all in one season.

 

If we can get by with spending an extra 15 million of so on players this season we might even start breaking even.

[Thedelldays]

I reckon we will spend circa £15-18m in the two transfer windows.

[Turkish]

Not to mention how much the loan of Sigurdsson must have cost Swansea.

 

Everybody always thinks that accession to the PL is a gold mine but in reality it's only about 40 million a year more,the oft quoted 90 million only comes into play if you get relegated.Of course if you don't you get a second year at 40+ million but it's not 90 million all in one season.

 

If we can get by with spending an extra 15 million of so on players this season we might even start breaking even.

 

"Only £40m a year more" You do realise that that figure is almost treble our current turnover?

[Thedelldays]

"Only £40m a year more" You do realise that that figure is almost treble our current turnover?

its huge money...and should we stay up...it almost sets you up if used right (unlike pompey)

even if we go down, the new financial fair play rules in the football league will give us a head start...as long we we don't go all looney like last time

[Window Cleaner]

"Only £40m a year more" You do realise that that figure is almost treble our current turnover?

 

of course, then again I expect to see a lot of posts from fools asking why we haven't spent the 90 million all in one go.

[saint1977]

Many thanks Doddisalegend for posting this, certainly a sharp reality check for those posting that we'd only sign 2-3 players etc and that Norwich and Swansea had only signed that many. I do agree with those posters though that I only want to see players coming in that fit with the existing culture/work ethic and no silly wages. I'd rather see players like Whittingham, Adomah and Rodrigiuez coming in over players on their way down, PL experience or not. Moreover, pace is a key asset we need to obtain to be competitive.

 

Still, from Nigel's comments it sounds like the club have it well under control as you would expect and that it will be evolution rather than revolution.

[Turkish]

of course, then again I expect to see a lot of posts from fools asking why we haven't spent the 90 million all in one go.

 

considering some on here were claiming that in league one we should just go and buy who we want and pay them how much they wanted as we were the most attractive team outside of the premier league top 4 then i am sure this will happen.

[Thedelldays]

considering some on here were claiming that in league one we should just go and buy who we want and pay them how much they wanted as we were the most attractive team outside of the premier league top 4 then i am sure this will happen.

you just know one or two on here will be having a fit if we have not signed a star player by end of may

[Turkish]

you just know one or two on here will be having a fit if we have not signed a star player by end of may

 

Maybe a thread entitled "Ambition - where is the evidence"

 

A classic in hindsight.

[doddisalegend]

Many thanks Doddisalegend for posting this, certainly a sharp reality check for those posting that we'd only sign 2-3 players etc and that Norwich and Swansea had only signed that many. I do agree with those posters though that I only want to see players coming in that fit with the existing culture/work ethic and no silly wages. I'd rather see players like Whittingham, Adomah and Rodrigiuez coming in over players on their way down, PL experience or not. Moreover, pace is a key asset we need to obtain to be competitive.

 

Still, from Nigel's comments it sounds like the club have it well under control as you would expect and that it will be evolution rather than revolution.

 

I suppose it depends on how much of a part these signings actually played ...for example I see QPR signed a guy called Jason Puncheon on loan who didn't actual play as far as I know. Swansea seemed to have signed 3 new keepers ...which seems rather excessive.

[trousers]

Wrong thread

[The9]

There was a thread in mid-Feb where I flagged up how many changes Swansea and Norwich had made to their STARTING sides, it's pretty much been the basis for me moving from saying "3 or 4 new players" each transfer window to "5 players this summer" - Adkins saying on the OS that he wants to avoid the "rigmarole" of the January window says to me we might be looking at 5 or 6 even. Purely speculation though, the last bit based on us only wanting to get maybe 2 or 3 more in in January.

 

The interesting thing to me is to see how many of the foreigners Swansea signed that just haven't featured for them. They wasted LOADS, and mostly found the solution on their own doorstep (aside from Vorm and Sigurdsson).

Edited 1 May, 2012 by The9

[dvaughanwilliams]

Not to mention how much the loan of Sigurdsson must have cost Swansea.

 

Everybody always thinks that accession to the PL is a gold mine but in reality it's only about 40 million a year more,the oft quoted 90 million only comes into play if you get relegated.Of course if you don't you get a second year at 40+ million but it's not 90 million all in one season.

 

If we can get by with spending an extra 15 million of so on players this season we might even start breaking even.

 

The problem football clubs have with money isn't transfer fees, but wages. Signing players with sensible wage demands is the most important thing. Also the players who were most instrumental in achieving promotion will all want pay rises, if it isn't already written into their contracts.

 

My main hope is that the future of the club isn't put at stake. I would rather have a season like Blackpool had, than put the long term financial sustainability under threat.

[The9]

The problem football clubs have with money isn't transfer fees, but wages. Signing players with sensible wage demands is the most important thing. Also the players who were most instrumental in achieving promotion will all want pay rises, if it isn't already written into their contracts.

 

My main hope is that the future of the club isn't put at stake. I would rather have a season like Blackpool had, than put the long term financial sustainability under threat.

 

I don't understand this argument when we were clearly not financially sustainable in League One or the Championship already, with wages at 93% of turnover and losing £11.5m in League One.

 

Getting to the Prem gives you a wodge of cash, but it does usually get eaten up by wages due to the need to compensate players in line with their equivalents at other clubs or risk losing them. All I'm bothered about is that we keep funding the losses from the Liebherr pot and that we manage to do it within the Financial Fair Play rules. If we're making losses which are covered by Markus' legacy, we may as well go all out to be as good as we can get, it's not like the Skate Cheats who kept spending when they knew they couldn't pay it off.

 

In addition, the parachute payments now allow two shots at bouncing back before having to trim the infrastructure anyway. Prem player contracts are usually 4 years max, or they've left to go to Prem sides. If we go back down we'll either still be propped up by Liebherr's money, or we'll be able to cut back on costs gradually.

 

If the Liebherr money THEN goes, we're probably screwed anyway.

[dubai_phil]

The problem football clubs have with money isn't transfer fees, but wages. Signing players with sensible wage demands is the most important thing. Also the players who were most instrumental in achieving promotion will all want pay rises, if it isn't already written into their contracts.

 

My main hope is that the future of the club isn't put at stake. I would rather have a season like Blackpool had, than put the long term financial sustainability under threat.

 

Unlike the idiots down the road (who didn't even do Cash Flow Forecasts before the latest blow up, NC has already told us all we need to know.

 

We had a 5 year plan to get into the PL. We did it in 3.

 

Those two extra years of funding will probably get added to a sustainable annual budget and the Scouting team will go out and give NA a choice of some 20 or 25 players to help fill up the squad that meet our needs tactically, mentally and age wise.

 

Then it will be down to NA (and his team) to select the ones they want to talk to, bringing those numbers down to 10-15.

 

Then it will go to our wage structure and NC and it will depend on whether they WANT to join us or they have thick money grabbing agents. I'd expect to see 4 or 5 additions out of that short list.

 

BUT one thing I don't expect to see will be Journeymen coming in.

 

We could spring a surprise and bring in a wise old PL head as much as for what he would bring to the dressing room as to the first team, but would expect us to go for players that the NA diet can improve

[dubai_phil]

I don't understand this argument when we were clearly not financially sustainable in League One or the Championship already, with wages at 93% of turnover and losing £11.5m in League One.

 

Getting to the Prem gives you a wodge of cash, but it does usually get eaten up by wages due to the need to compensate players in line with their equivalents at other clubs or risk losing them. All I'm bothered about is that we keep funding the losses from the Liebherr pot and that we manage to do it within the Financial Fair Play rules. If we're making losses which are covered by Markus' legacy, we may as well go all out to be as good as we can get, it's not like the Skate Cheats who kept spending when they knew they couldn't pay it off.

 

In addition, the parachute payments now allow two shots at bouncing back before having to trim the infrastructure anyway. Prem player contracts are usually 4 years max, or they've left to go to Prem sides. If we go back down we'll either still be propped up by Liebherr's money, or we'll be able to cut back on costs gradually.

 

If the Liebherr money THEN goes, we're probably screwed anyway.

 

A WISE leader would NOT use the Liebherr pot to pay running expenses any more.

 

He'd use it on Capital Development Projects that would bring in more future revenues - as we have seen - Staplewood, a refurb of the Corporate Facilities to start with and then serious talk I would imagine about adding extra seats to SMS OR the new stadium.

Some may not like it, some may not bellieve it, BUT we sure as sh1t ain't going to be aiming for CL football with a 32,000 seat stadium under the FFP rules so bums on seats is the only way to go