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What a fecking ridiculous proposition. No-one in their right mind gives a flying f u ck what the fans wear. And anyone who thinks otherwise is sectionable.
Well obviously the people that dressed up in fancy dress etc "give a flying f u ck" otherwise they wouldn't have bothered and would have just worn their every day normal clothes. And those fans that choose to wear their club shirts and scarves obviously care and make an effort to dress differently, at sometimes significant cost, when going to the football compared to what they would normally do. And you think these people are "sectionable"? Shame on you.
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No-one is talking about the 1980s (apart from Frank's Cousin's obsession). We just don't want Westwood type characters representing our club.

 

...you dont do irony do you.... The whole point of my argument/opinion is that I am NOT obsessed with any era in football culture - I am happy for it evolve naturally as these things do - its the whole basis of your argument that fans should not be seen expressing themselves as they see fit, because it goes against some fictional code of what fan culture should be... something that it only ever was in reality for a short period in time between the 80s... and because you worry about what some other equally narrow minded fans think it should be and wrap it up as 'pride' to give intolerance and ignorance some kind of artificial respectability..

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No I don't, but thanks for asking. I take it from your reply you would like a load of Westwood type characters representing us. Odd.

 

They don't represent us...thats the bit you don't get. The players do...fans just go and support and EVERY club has a mixture

of supporters, didn't you see the two Mancs dressed as smurfs on Monday night?

 

I couldn't gve a toss what anyone thinks - I don't care what anyone does in any other fan group or team.

If some want to go to games dressed as Coco the Clown, Papa Smurf or the family dressed as Teletubbies near me

on Saturday so be it - not for me but then again I am a scruffy bastard anyway and not so obsessed or needy on labels I have other priorities in my life.

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They don't represent us...thats the bit you don't get. The players do...fans just go and support and EVERY club has a mixture

of supporters, didn't you see the two Mancs dressed as smurfs on Monday night?

 

I couldn't gve a toss what anyone thinks - I don't care what anyone does in any other fan group or team.

If some want to go to games dressed as Coco the Clown, Papa Smurf or the family dressed as Teletubbies near me

on Saturday so be it - not for me but then again I am a scruffy bastard anyway and not so obsessed or needy on labels I have other priorities in my life.

Every knows that supporters represent their clubs. It's nothing to do with labels.
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Every knows that supporters represent their clubs. It's nothing to do with labels.

 

Of course they do. Do we really want to gain the reputation for having the most 40 year old clowns in the football league?

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please please stop embarrassing our club ,has i am a snob with a big ego and live in my own little world and was shocked by the middlesborough game on tv that alot of our fans had spots on their faces,the whole football world is laughing at us now and it shames southampton football club.:hunt::hunt:10467594.f41b650a.560.jpg

don,t these people know how to dress and behave ,fancy enjoying yourself on the last game of the season. its been happening now for over 30 years :smug:oh the football i,m not interested in that i prefer poseing and eyeing up the men in my fake designer brands to make me feel good.

what next we will have working class people at football next :toppa: and lads this is a exclusive picture of next years terrace gear for 2013/2014 for the premier league,if you don,t wear it your not cool:)

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please please stop embarrassing our club ,has i am a snob with a big ego and live in my own little world and was shocked by the middlesborough game on tv that alot of our fans had spots on their faces,the whole football world is laughing at us now and it shames southampton football club.:hunt::hunt:10467594.f41b650a.560.jpg

don,t these people know how to dress and behave ,fancy enjoying yourself on the last game of the season. its been happening now for over 30 years :smug:oh the football i,m not interested in that i prefer poseing and eyeing up the men in my fake designer brands to make me feel good.

what next we will have working class people at football next :toppa: and lads this is a exclusive picture of next years terrace gear for 2013/2014 for the premier league,if you don,t wear it your not cool:)

:lol:

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what next we will have working class people at football next :toppa: and lads this is a exclusive picture of next years terrace gear for 2013/2014 for the premier league,if you don,t wear it your not cool:)

 

You're getting a bit ahead of yourself there. I'm still planning what I'll be wearing during the 2012/2013 season.

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wow @ this thread

 

is there really a need for all this, and it's clearly a carry over from the 80s. I wouldn't dress up for football, but each to his own. I always wear my replica shirt on top, because I wear our colours with pride.

 

I'm actually much more embarrassed about seeing our fans who dont wear any colour. when I see banks of fans wearing stone island and Burberry instead of club colours I just think they look like ****s, not fans with pride.

 

if they wanna wear that **** then just let them get on with it, but you don't see them on here saying everyone should dress up as clowns...

 

and having a self styled football fashion police on this forum brings more shame on the club than any amount of clowns ever could.

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wow @ this thread

 

is there really a need for all this, and it's clearly a carry over from the 80s. I wouldn't dress up for football, but each to his own. I always wear my replica shirt on top, because I wear our colours with pride.

 

I'm actually much more embarrassed about seeing our fans who dont wear any colour. when I see banks of fans wearing stone island and Burberry instead of club colours I just think they look like ****s, not fans with pride.

 

if they wanna wear that **** then just let them get on with it, but you don't see them on here saying everyone should dress up as clowns...

 

and having a self styled football fashion police on this forum brings more shame on the club than any amount of clowns ever could.

Good post mate, fully agree.
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wow @ this thread

 

is there really a need for all this, and it's clearly a carry over from the 80s. I wouldn't dress up for football, but each to his own. I always wear my replica shirt on top, because I wear our colours with pride.

 

I'm actually much more embarrassed about seeing our fans who dont wear any colour. when I see banks of fans wearing stone island and Burberry instead of club colours I just think they look like ****s, not fans with pride.

 

if they wanna wear that **** then just let them get on with it, but you don't see them on here saying everyone should dress up as clowns...

 

and having a self styled football fashion police on this forum brings more shame on the club than any amount of clowns ever could.

 

Agree best thing to wear at SMS is a replica shirt. Ooohh that's what I wear, glad I'm doing something right.

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Good post mate, fully agree.

 

does this mean you don't agree with yourself, coz our views are clearly mutually exclusive.

 

#confusedface

 

but really, why bother trolling on your own clubs forum? or is that how you show ur 'pride'?

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Why?

 

Because a load of fence rattlers that go to football trying to look hard is more pathetic than somebody in fancy dress.

 

The fact that you seem to care so much about how other ppl perceive u and ur football club is beyond embarassing.

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does this mean you don't agree with yourself, coz our views are clearly mutually exclusive.

 

#confusedface

 

but really, why bother trolling on your own clubs forum? or is that how you show ur 'pride'?

 

Because a load of fence rattlers that go to football trying to look hard is more pathetic than somebody in fancy dress.

 

The fact that you seem to care so much about how other ppl perceive u and ur football club is beyond embarassing.

Why do you use text speak when you post? You have no pride in your forum posts or your football club!
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Well obviously the people that dressed up in fancy dress etc "give a flying f u ck" otherwise they wouldn't have bothered and would have just worn their every day normal clothes. And those fans that choose to wear their club shirts and scarves obviously care and make an effort to dress differently, at sometimes significant cost, when going to the football compared to what they would normally do. And you think these people are "sectionable"? Shame on you.

 

woosh...

 

Christ I knew the working class were struggling with education these days but thank God some of us had the good sense to ship our offspring off to public school...

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woosh...

 

Christ I knew the working class were struggling with education these days but thank God some of us had the good sense to ship our offspring off to public school...

Classic case when losing an argument. Now slagging off about 95% of our support, after already describing them as "sectionable". You don't like Saints fans much do you?
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This argument is incredibly circular, and people are using classic debatting techniques of changing the point & arguing the person rather than the subject, not too mention the new internet one of going for grammar & spelling rather than the point. A few things that i'd like to try and add (without getting into the circle) though;

Firstly - fancy dress last game of the season was always fun but the big difference i think was that it was (let's be honest) a bit ****. The difference now is that there's so much effort made.

Secondly - the point of Class, it seems to me getting dressed up to get ****ed is actually pretty working class. Any of us that've been to the darts will know that.

Thirdly - the truly bizarre idea that not wearing fancy dress is in some way linked to violence. Straight away i should point out you've actually contradicted this point by saying lads in the 80's used to dress up for the last game and still get into rows. Second to that the idea that those of us who find it embarrassing want violence is beyond prejudiced. In fact for me the most important people in the ground are those in the later years that have supported us through thick and thin.

 

Now my argument still remains, what we lose really is Soul (as noun if you like) since we are co-opting what little culture and fashion we have to an expected type of behaviour. We become consumers of the new breed of this football rather than shaping it ourselves - hence why i thought the Stretford end video was so good - and with that a very important part of this thing we love dies.

 

I'm not saying everyone should dress the same, i'm not even slagging off those that wear colours, i just don't want everything to become a bland pastiche of what fan/terrace culture is about. And that is something i do think we're in real danger of in this country.

 

Mind you i suppose it's symptomatic of a far bigger malaise in society, there are very few sub cultures left that haven't been branded and sold back, and it's why i'm so protective of this football culture because it is ours and it is special.

 

Again i'll highlight german fan culture which is immense, powerful, loud and meaningful. But then germany in general seems to know how to get things right rather than sell their soul to the highest bidder.

 

Oh and one last point, i do think this forum is the wrong place for this argument. Saints web has long struck me as a very strange place, you only need to look at the amount of people that seem to form opinions of the game based on what amounts to a giant spread sheet to see that it's not really a great cross section of society.

 

So to cod psychologise myself what maybe we see here - older heads aside - is a place full of a certain type of person at school. The geek/outcast, for whom people like those that want the link between music/football/fashion that make up the side of the argument i sit on, are the enemy. The bullies. The people they felt ostricised them at school. That though doesn't mean they're right, but it does seem sad that they're happy to see the death of something so important to what is "more than a game"

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Classic case when losing an argument. Now slagging off about 95% of our support, after already describing them as "sectionable". You don't like Saints fans much do you?

 

It's good to be anonymous isn't it? I'd not want anyone to know my face if I'd dug myself in a hole as deep as you have today.

 

I'd imagined that there was a grain of humour being enjoyed by your triumvirate but that seems not to be the case with you any more...best just throw the spade away-eh?

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This argument is incredibly circular, and people are using classic debatting techniques of changing the point & arguing the person rather than the subject, not too mention the new internet one of going for grammar & spelling rather than the point. A few things that i'd like to try and add (without getting into the circle) though;

Firstly - fancy dress last game of the season was always fun but the big difference i think was that it was (let's be honest) a bit ****. The difference now is that there's so much effort made.

Secondly - the point of Class, it seems to me getting dressed up to get ****ed is actually pretty working class. Any of us that've been to the darts will know that.

Thirdly - the truly bizarre idea that not wearing fancy dress is in some way linked to violence. Straight away i should point out you've actually contradicted this point by saying lads in the 80's used to dress up for the last game and still get into rows. Second to that the idea that those of us who find it embarrassing want violence is beyond prejudiced. In fact for me the most important people in the ground are those in the later years that have supported us through thick and thin.

 

Now my argument still remains, what we lose really is Soul (as noun if you like) since we are co-opting what little culture and fashion we have to an expected type of behaviour. We become consumers of the new breed of this football rather than shaping it ourselves - hence why i thought the Stretford end video was so good - and with that a very important part of this thing we love dies.

 

I'm not saying everyone should dress the same, i'm not even slagging off those that wear colours, i just don't want everything to become a bland pastiche of what fan/terrace culture is about. And that is something i do think we're in real danger of in this country.

 

Mind you i suppose it's symptomatic of a far bigger malaise in society, there are very few sub cultures left that haven't been branded and sold back, and it's why i'm so protective of this football culture because it is ours and it is special.

 

Again i'll highlight german fan culture which is immense, powerful, loud and meaningful. But then germany in general seems to know how to get things right rather than sell their soul to the highest bidder.

 

Oh and one last point, i do think this forum is the wrong place for this argument. Saints web has long struck me as a very strange place, you only need to look at the amount of people that seem to form opinions of the game based on what amounts to a giant spread sheet to see that it's not really a great cross section of society.

 

So to cod psychologise myself what maybe we see here - older heads aside - is a place full of a certain type of person at school. The geek/outcast, for whom people like those that want the link between music/football/fashion that make up the side of the argument i sit on, are the enemy. The bullies. The people they felt ostricised them at school. That though doesn't mean they're right, but it does seem sad that they're happy to see the death of something so important to what is "more than a game"

 

But what's your point?

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But what's your point?

 

Can't believe i'm using my last post for something that is fairly self evident, but we're losing our culture. Or more to the point we're selling it. More people should care about that but i don't think they do. Don't forget this is a culture that's given us music from Madness to New Order to Oasis and Blur.

 

As a quick aside (since it's my last post) is it a surprise that football songs are so stale and bland now? It used to be the case that there was a proper sub culture tied up in it and you knew that if you stole from a certain type of band the majority of the ground would know where it had come from.

 

We really are accepting football becoming another commodity, a lifestyle to be sold by sky and acted at, and that's a sad, sad fu.cking thing.

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This argument is incredibly circular, and people are using classic debatting techniques of changing the point & arguing the person rather than the subject, not too mention the new internet one of going for grammar & spelling rather than the point. A few things that i'd like to try and add (without getting into the circle) though;

Firstly - fancy dress last game of the season was always fun but the big difference i think was that it was (let's be honest) a bit ****. The difference now is that there's so much effort made.

Secondly - the point of Class, it seems to me getting dressed up to get ****ed is actually pretty working class. Any of us that've been to the darts will know that.

Thirdly - the truly bizarre idea that not wearing fancy dress is in some way linked to violence. Straight away i should point out you've actually contradicted this point by saying lads in the 80's used to dress up for the last game and still get into rows. Second to that the idea that those of us who find it embarrassing want violence is beyond prejudiced. In fact for me the most important people in the ground are those in the later years that have supported us through thick and thin.

 

Now my argument still remains, what we lose really is Soul (as noun if you like) since we are co-opting what little culture and fashion we have to an expected type of behaviour. We become consumers of the new breed of this football rather than shaping it ourselves - hence why i thought the Stretford end video was so good - and with that a very important part of this thing we love dies.

 

I'm not saying everyone should dress the same, i'm not even slagging off those that wear colours, i just don't want everything to become a bland pastiche of what fan/terrace culture is about. And that is something i do think we're in real danger of in this country.

 

Mind you i suppose it's symptomatic of a far bigger malaise in society, there are very few sub cultures left that haven't been branded and sold back, and it's why i'm so protective of this football culture because it is ours and it is special.

 

Again i'll highlight german fan culture which is immense, powerful, loud and meaningful. But then germany in general seems to know how to get things right rather than sell their soul to the highest bidder.

 

Oh and one last point, i do think this forum is the wrong place for this argument. Saints web has long struck me as a very strange place, you only need to look at the amount of people that seem to form opinions of the game based on what amounts to a giant spread sheet to see that it's not really a great cross section of society.

 

So to cod psychologise myself what maybe we see here - older heads aside - is a place full of a certain type of person at school. The geek/outcast, for whom people like those that want the link between music/football/fashion that make up the side of the argument i sit on, are the enemy. The bullies. The people they felt ostricised them at school. That though doesn't mean they're right, but it does seem sad that they're happy to see the death of something so important to what is "more than a game"

 

Another excellent post sir.

 

* doths cap *

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woosh...

 

Christ I knew the working class were struggling with education these days but thank God some of us had the good sense to ship our offspring off to public school...

 

It's good to be anonymous isn't it? I'd not want anyone to know my face if I'd dug myself in a hole as deep as you have today.

 

I'd imagined that there was a grain of humour being enjoyed by your triumvirate but that seems not to be the case with you any more...best just throw the spade away-eh?

I think you will find the rather unpleasant, personal attacks regarding individuals lack of public education came from Legod Third Coming rather than myself. I agree though, it is unfortunate that he decides to take that approach when losing a reasoned and fair debate.
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Classic case when losing an argument. Now slagging off about 95% of our support, after already describing them as "sectionable". You don't like Saints fans much do you?

 

Actually, most of those I have met personally, yes very much. It's a shame some on here don't understand irony or have the capacity for individual conscience but I suppose after 13 years of socialist government removing personal responsibility and adopting a 'not my fault guv' attitude, it's only to be expected...

 

There is a difference between caring about one's own appearence because it makes you happy or for personal satisfaction, and, as you and so many do these days, believing you care about what others think of your attire when it is, in fact, a cry for social approval, full stop. Perhaps because you didn't get it at home, school, in your work - I've no idea.

 

But that's what it is - however you dress it up - pun intended...

 

"I care what others think about my team's supporters because it reflects on what they think about me."

 

It doesn't. Well, not to anyone with half a brain, anyway.

 

So what you are doing is seeking approval from those people who have no approval to give. Brilliant.

 

Freud could write a book on it. Oh. He did already...

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Actually, most of those I have met personally, yes very much. It's a shame some on here don't understand irony or have the capacity for individual conscience but I suppose after 13 years of socialist government removing personal responsibility and adopting a 'not my fault guv' attitude, it's only to be expected...

 

There is a difference between caring about one's own appearence because it makes you happy or for personal satisfaction, and, as you and so many do these days, believing you care about what others think of your attire when it is, in fact, a cry for social approval, full stop. Perhaps because you didn't get it at home, school, in your work - I've no idea.

 

But that's what it is - however you dress it up - pun intended...

 

"I care what others think about my team's supporters because it reflects on what they think about me."

 

It doesn't. Well, not to anyone with half a brain, anyway.

 

So what you are doing is seeking approval from those people who have no approval to give. Brilliant.

 

Freud could write a book on it. Oh. He did already...

 

What a load of bollo*ks.

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Actually, most of those I have met personally, yes very much. ...
Unless they didn't go to public school or if they happen to put any thought into what they wear to a football match. Where does this attempted superiority complex come from? I go to games and get on with people from all backgrounds and walks of life, it's a pity you can't do the same, you'd enjoy it much more.
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Mods in protecting Turkey shocker. I'm convinced he's got some sort of hold over them.

 

Personally I was disapointed, I Wanted to see what Franks Cousin had to say on the subject and a few more Ulcer gags from Greenridge. MLG might even have chipped in with if it had been a bigger plane that had been expanded it would never have crashed.

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Fancy dress isn't appropriate in any walk of life, even fancy dress parties. Why anyone would want to wear it to football god only knows. It's a classic "hey hey look at me, look at me, I'm hereeeeee". Labels doesn't come into it, wear normal clothes for all I care, just don't make yourself look all silly eh?

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Can't believe i'm using my last post for something that is fairly self evident, but we're losing our culture. Or more to the point we're selling it. More people should care about that but i don't think they do. Don't forget this is a culture that's given us music from Madness to New Order to Oasis and Blur.

 

As a quick aside (since it's my last post) is it a surprise that football songs are so stale and bland now? It used to be the case that there was a proper sub culture tied up in it and you knew that if you stole from a certain type of band the majority of the ground would know where it had come from.

 

We really are accepting football becoming another commodity, a lifestyle to be sold by sky and acted at, and that's a sad, sad fu.cking thing.

 

F**k me, mate - I'll go and read the guardian or watch bbc2 if I want this frankfurt school mumbo jumbo. Of course, you forget to mention that casual culture is probably more guilty of cynical marketing and commodification than any other part of football. Many of the people who are railing against the sky machine don't realise that they are mugs in their own right.

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Unless they didn't go to public school or if they happen to put any thought into what they wear to a football match. Where does this attempted superiority complex come from? I go to games and get on with people from all backgrounds and walks of life, it's a pity you can't do the same, you'd enjoy it much more.

 

How early do you get up to be this thick? It's a genuine talent. You're making my points, arguing against yourself and you can't see it?

 

Or can and are an obtuse, obnoxious little troll.

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Why do you use text speak when you post? You have no pride in your forum posts or your football club!

 

on ma fone so it's quicker B, means I canz hav more interwebz, but let's not turn this from a fascist fashion thread to one on a grammar Nazi tip

 

now back on track, it's interesting to see u haven't responded to either of my posts properly, or do u not take pride in ur forumz?

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Unless they didn't go to public school or if they happen to put any thought into what they wear to a football match.

 

why u gotta play it like that, u see I actually had a public school education and know for a fact they teach more than just how to look fabulous * jazz hands*

 

manners maketh man

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why u gotta play it like that, u see I actually had a public school education and know for a fact they teach more than just how to look fabulous * jazz hands*

 

manners maketh man

 

Very true. It's amazing how many people cannot hold a knife and fork properly. My old dear was a stickler for table manners and because of that I also judge people on it when i'm out.

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