New Kits 2012-13

[JPTCount]

EPISODE 304

 

...some time later. NC has been playing Football Manager on his PC... he is a little agitated as Saints have just sacked him for the 3rd time in 3 seasons.

 

NC: FECK, FECK, FECK... Adkins gets promoted twice, it cant be that difficult, stupid fecking game...these algorthms are all wrong - its that MLTs fault...

 

Another sheepish Knock

 

NC: (Agitated) What the F*** is it now?

Underling: Boss, tis the forum again...meltdown, it looks bad I tell you. sir

NC: Jeez fecking mother Christos... please tell me its not the shirts again?

Underling: Yes Boss, sorry Boss... appears some are not Happy with the shorts being Red.....

NC: F**KING Shorts (Shouting) - Who the feck is interested in shorts, are these grown men going to fecking buy them anyway? We only stock them for the fricken wierdos, what is fricken wrong with zees people, fricken bed sit living, internet obsessed window lickers?

Underling: Sir, Sir, should we really be talking about our most loyal fans like ziss?

NC: Loyal fricken fans? feckin tight wad ****s the lot of them, complain about parking, complain about admin fees... Jeez anything else?

Underling:.... er yes boss... er the stripes sir

NC: What about the fricken stripes?

Underling: Er well...er thing is, theys say that there ...er.... aren't any?

NC (Explodes with rage) AREN'T ANY? are they all fricken blind? Can they not see the beautiful, classy pin stripes; Can they not see the we have finally given them something stylish to wear that might hide their fat fricken arses, Jeez have these f*ckers no style? (brushes a few crumbs from the lapel of his bespoke tailored Italian wool designer suit)

Underling: ...and they think it looks like a Liverpool shirt sir...from the 1980s

NC (silent for a moment, in contemplation): ... Liverpool? Who the feck are they? Won a few titles with some sad permed fricken hub cap steeling porn star lookie likies 30 years ago and they think there a big club?

Underling: well they have won the European cup a few times boss

NC: Shut the feck up about Liverpool, we are bigger than Liverpool, and more stylish... people know this and will just say they ripped US off not the other way round, especially when we win the Champions league for the 5th time

Underling: You really thing we can do this boss?

NC: YOU DARE TO DOUBT ME?

Underling: sorry boss, er... just that you know.. (he is interupted as there is another knock on the Door)

 

NC: Come in

 

The door opens and in walks a strange bespectabled figure, slighly grey hair with a massive grin on his face

 

NC: Ar... welcome it is good to have our 'enforcer' back again... good to see you... Nigel, how was your 'holiday'

Nigel: Great to be back, went well, not perfect, but definately 5 positives and one negative...

NC Cuts him off; Good , glad you enjoyed. Unfortunately we need you on the front line again?

Nigel: How can I be of service.

NC: Its the forum fans again:

Nigel: Great group of lads, hard working, very positive, always, well maybe not all teh time, but very positive...well Ok must admit, Ok...er yes ..er true, can be a bit negative sometimes... well some all the time, but still.. er great bunch of lads , really good spirit.

NC: Nigel please...

Nigel: Sorry Boss

NC: I need you to take care of some business for me

Nigel: anything sir

NC: It requires your unique 'talent' - (turns to speak to the underling) bring me the list

Underling: Here it is sir, over 200 names now - all though the shirt was bad

NC, Here that Nige? I give you teh Liverppol shirt to make you and Lamberto feel at home and saty with Saints, and 200 of these ***ts are not happy.

Nigel: I see, you want all of them to receive the 'treatment'

NC: Yes, no exceptions

Nigel: Very good boss, but not sure Mr TF has that kind of Stamina sir?

NC: What? He'sdone feck all all season!

Nigel: I know boss, but 200?

NC: Anyone else in the 'reserves' we can utilise - afterall we are paying the feckers

Nigel: Maybe I can find someone boss

NC: Good, now get on with it, Report back when its done..

 

Nigel and the Underrling leave the room.... NC retreats to his desk, swivels on the chair and looks across the Itchen once again.... he thinks of the screams, hes knows that with such power comes great responsibilty, but he cant help but smile when he thinks of what those fans have coming to them.

 

 

 

 

did u chuckle to urself the whole time u were writing this?

[Thedelldays]

 

You're also pretty confident we won't clash with a team that hasn't released their kit yet.

I thought ALL teams had to submit their kit wish list by a certain date...then for the PREM to advise if a 3rd kit is needed or not....?

so it is not an accident that some teams have 3 kits and some don't

Edited 30 June, 2012 by Thedelldays

[The Kraken]

There really isn't that much red on the kit at all, certainly not enough to clash with the examples I posted.

 

Games have gone ahead in the past with teams in slightly different shades of blue. Saints aren't releasing a 3rd kit, so what do you think is going to happen when we play Stoke and Sunderland?

 

I've said before; I cannot see how we would be allowed to wear either the red or the white. There is a significant amount of red on the away kit, especially if the logo is red as it looks like it is. Also, as The9 says, Sunderland haven't released their kit yet, so if it turns out the back of the shirt is predominantly white it'll be out.

[The9]

wow, u love correcting people, no need for the shouting, i heard the first person.

 

and i thought it was an issue of us having our own kit supplier, and then not being premiership. Even so, it must be one of Lowe's business ideas, can't see NC sticking with it if he wants us to be a top side, or sell shirts in asia. I can't think of another club with high shirt sales that also have this policy. The online store feels old as **** too, and even opens in a pop up window, with that & only 2 physical places, both in soton, i can't see us getting the shirt sales up to the heights that NC wants the whole club.

 

I like to supply accurate information.

 

It's certainly a hangover from the Lowe days, and the appearance of some 125th Anniversary stuff in SportsDirect a few months later suggests Cortese's probably keen to diversify - though I don't expect he'd have a problem with Saints' online store being the only place Asian fans are going to be able to get their kits from and not getting into price competition with JJB etc.

[Frank's cousin]

did u chuckle to urself the whole time u were writing this?

 

Nah... spent all morning shopping with the Mrs... so mind is numb... staring vacantly at the screen - will feel better after a beer

[The9]

I thought ALL teams had to submit their kit wish list by a certain date...then for the PREM to advise if a 3rd kit is needed or not....?

 

Sort of. The Prem committee will take the proposed kits from the clubs by a certain date and then they'll look at each match and advise on clashes, but they have to have a third kit proposed in the first place to be able to agree to its use.

[Matthew Le God]

I've said before; I cannot see how we would be allowed to wear either the red or the white. There is a significant amount of red on the away kit, especially if the logo is red as it looks like it is. Also, as The9 says, Sunderland haven't released their kit yet, so if it turns out the back of the shirt is predominantly white it'll be out.

 

Saints would have had to "clear" their kits with the football authorities. They clearly see no problems and are happy for Saints to have only two kits. Although some clubs have not revealed publicly their kits for next season, the authorities would have seen them by this stage.

[Thedelldays]

Sort of. The Prem committee will take the proposed kits from the clubs by a certain date and then they'll look at each match and advise on clashes, but they have to have a third kit proposed in the first place to be able to agree to its use.

unless a 3rd kit is going to be real eased sharpish....im guessing they are happy with what we want to wear on the road

[The Kraken]

Saints would have had to "clear" their kits with the football authorities. They clearly see no problems and are happy for Saints to have only two kits.

Do you know this for a fact? That these two kits will be the only kits we use this season? That there's no possibility of a third kit being used? If so, I'll concede the point, if its confirmed that we will not and cannot use a third kit.

[The9]

There really isn't that much red on the kit at all, certainly not enough to clash with the examples I posted.

 

Games have gone ahead in the past with teams in slightly different shades of blue. Saints aren't releasing a 3rd kit, so what do you think is going to happen when we play Stoke and Sunderland?

 

We're going to wear a third kit of some sort at Stoke or we're going to wear their away kit and look like a bunch of idiots, basically.

[Thedelldays]

We're going to wear a third kit of some sort at Stoke or we're going to wear their away kit and look like a bunch of idiots, basically.

clearly not it seems

[The9]

Do you know this for a fact? That these two kits will be the only kits we use this season? That there's no possibility of a third kit being used? If so, I'll concede the point, if its confirmed that we will not and cannot use a third kit.

 

He doesn't.

 

"Not later than 4 weeks before the commencement of each Season each Club shall register its

Strips by submitting to the Secretary Form 9 together with samples of its home Strip, away

Strip and goalkeeper’s Strip complying with these Rules and a brief written description of each

and the Secretary having entered the descriptions in a register will cause the same to be

printed in the handbook of the League."

 

So still another fortnight before we even have to confirm the kits.

 

19. Subject to Rule F.20, Strips of the description thus registered shall be worn throughout the

Season immediately following and no changes to it shall be made except with the prior

written permission of the Board.

 

21. Subject to Rules F.20 and F.22, when playing in League Matches the Players of each

participating Club shall wear its home Strip unless the home Strips of the participating Clubs

are alike or similar or are in the opinion of the referee likely to cause confusion in which event

Players of the Visiting Club shall wear its away Strip, third Strip or a combination of its home

Strip, away Strip and its third Strip. In the event of any dispute with regard to the Strip to be

worn by either Club, the referee’s decision shall be final

 

24. Subject to Rule F.20, no Club shall participate in a League Match wearing Strip other than its

registered home Strip or away Strip or third Strip or a combination of the three except with

the prior written consent of the Board.

Edited 30 June, 2012 by The9

[The9]

clearly not it seems

 

Huh ? Oh, right, I get it.

Edited 30 June, 2012 by The9

[The Kraken]

He doesn't.

 

"Not later than 4 weeks before the commencement of each Season each Club shall register its

Strips by submitting to the Secretary Form 9 together with samples of its home Strip, away

Strip and goalkeeper’s Strip complying with these Rules and a brief written description of each

and the Secretary having entered the descriptions in a register will cause the same to be

printed in the handbook of the League."

 

So still another fortnight before we even have to confirm the kits.

So MLG is wrong then? Thanks for clearing that up.

[Thedelldays]

if there is not 3rd kit....

 

the I can see away top with home shorts/socks at sunderland and stoke...

[The Kraken]

if there is not 3rd kit....

 

the I can see away top with home shorts/socks at sunderland and stoke...

You see, I can't. Sunderland maybe (with their probably black shorts and socks); but Stoke wear white shorts and socks. Our kit would be almost an inverse of their kit, and potentially very confusing to players at first glance.

[Thedelldays]

You see, I can't. Sunderland maybe (with their probably black shorts and socks); but Stoke wear white shorts and socks. Our kit would be almost an inverse of their kit, and potentially very confusing to players at first glance.

so, white top and red shorts/socks..?

 

we would probably lose there anyway so matters not

[The Kraken]

so, white top and red shorts/socks..?

 

we would probably lose there anyway so matters not

 

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Stoke's red & white top, white shorts and socks would be very similar at first glance to our white and red pinstripes, red shorts and red socks. Not the same, that would be stupid to say, but there's a definite potential for confusion which IMO will rule it out.

 

And I thoroughly dislike Stoke so I want all 3 points from them!

[Thedelldays]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Stoke's red & white top, white shorts and socks would be very similar at first glance to our white and red pinstripes, red shorts and red socks. Not the same, that would be stupid to say, but there's a definite potential for confusion which IMO will rule it out.

well, if no 3rd kit in the next two weeks...then all would be pretty much happy with it.

[The9]

I would point out that that's from last season's Premier League Handbook though, although as it contains all of the kit colours, which is strange as the clubs need to abide by the rules in order to get the kits registered in the same document, but anyway...

 

...I'm sure we'd have heard if Nicola had got the rules of the competition changed so that we got to wear the same colour as the home team in Stoke, or something.

[The Kraken]

well, if no 3rd kit in the next two weeks...then all would be pretty much happy with it.

I guess we won't find out until December 29th.

 

i don't even know what the rules are in the Premier League for having a third kit. The9??

[The9]

Oh, and here's the link (2011/12 as I said) for the g33ks : http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2011-12.pdf

[Thedelldays]

I guess we won't find out until December 29th.

 

i don't even know what the rules are in the Premier League for having a third kit. The9??

I thought kits had to be registered within the next 2 weeks...?

anyhow, ALL kits would have been reviewed by some suit in the prem...and if they say we have to have a 3rd kit...then we would have to have a 3rd kit.

but I would be amazed if they all of a sudden realise this half way through the season

[The9]

I guess we won't find out until December 29th.

 

i don't even know what the rules are in the Premier League for having a third kit. The9??

 

Tch, I already posted them in this thread, what do you mean you didn't learn them.

 

Basically you are allowed to have either 2 or 3 kits, and don't have to have a third kit.

 

You can't wear either the away or 3rd more than 8 times in a season, and it has to be approved by the Prem prior to the season. Though there are a couple of loopholes, being that the ref's decision is final, and there's also an exception for new kits for the last match.

[The Kraken]

I thought kits had to be registered within the next 2 weeks...?

anyhow, ALL kits would have been reviewed by some suit in the prem...and if they say we have to have a 3rd kit...then we would have to have a 3rd kit.

but I would be amazed if they all of a sudden realise this half way through the season

Yeah, I find it fairly likely that the PL have to sign off on the kits. But I'm wondering what the possibility it, in this case, to have a nominated 3rd kit for 1 or 2 games where the away kit is deemed inappropriate. Sunderland don't even release their home kit until next month. Have they shown the PL an advanced copy? Probably; but maybe not.

[The Kraken]

Tch, I already posted them in this thread, what do you mean you didn't learn them.

 

Basically you are allowed to have either 2 or 3 kits, and don't have to have a third kit.

 

You can't wear either the away or 3rd more than 8 times in a season, and it has to be approved by the Prem prior to the season. Though there are a couple of loopholes, being that the ref's decision is final, and there's also an exception for new kits for the last match.

Do you mean less?

[The9]

I thought kits had to be registered within the next 2 weeks...?

anyhow, ALL kits would have been reviewed by some suit in the prem...and if they say we have to have a 3rd kit...then we would have to have a 3rd kit.

but I would be amazed if they all of a sudden realise this half way through the season

 

They're not responsible for telling us we have to have a 3rd kit and can't tell us we have to have one if we don't propose one. But there's obviously a process of identifying clashes that might raise it as an issue to be resolved somehow within the existing process, it would be naive to think they couldn't suggest very strongly that we don't turn up with two clashing kits on the day and force Stoke's arm !

[CB Fry]

Someone said Sunderland haven't realised their kit yet.

 

What if it is red and white halves? They might be as cutting edge and innovative as us this season.

[Thedelldays]

Yeah, I find it fairly likely that the PL have to sign off on the kits. But I'm wondering what the possibility it, in this case, to have a nominated 3rd kit for 1 or 2 games where the away kit is deemed inappropriate. Sunderland don't even release their home kit until next month. Have they shown the PL an advanced copy? Probably; but maybe not.

Im sure the powers at be in the prem have seen all the kits the teams are going to use...they probably have to get prem permission to have certain designs/logo's etc so not to break commercial rules or some shyte..

 

The prem is a multi billion pound business and have been doing so (quite well) for a number of years...im sure if they think we need a 3rd kit, they will TELL us to have a 3rd kit, seeing as they are going to be giving us £60m+ etc

[krissyboy31]

well, if no 3rd kit in the next two weeks...then all would be pretty much happy with it.

 

Not trawling through the whole thread but weren't we rumoured to be using (on page one or two) last season's yellow kit as our 3rd. It was rubbished by all the "yellow musy be our away kit" merchants but most of the rumours have turned out to be true.

[The9]

Do you mean less?

 

Nope, there's a maximum limit of 8 matches each for away/third kits (with the rider that if the ref says there's a clash, you change and that counts towards the total).

 

The fines are only about £300 each time anyway !

 

"22. Players of the Visiting Club may wear its away Strip or third Strip when playing in League

Matches provided that they shall not do so on more than 8 occasions in any Season, including

those occasions, if any, when required to do so by virtue of the foregoing provisions of

Rule F.21. For the avoidance of doubt, nothing in this Rule shall limit the number of occasions

a Club may be required to change its Strip pursuant to Rule F.21."

 

Third Strip

25. Each Club may have a third Strip in addition to its home Strip and its away Strip.

26. The provisions of Rules F.14, F.15 and F.16 shall apply to any third Strip as well as to home

Strip and away Strip.

 

Just spotted this too, which is how the clash issue will be resolved in practice :

 

23. At least 7 days prior to each League Match the Visiting Club shall notify the Home Club on

Form 9A of the Strip it intends its Players (including for the avoidance of doubt its goalkeeper)

to wear. If the Home Club is of the opinion that this is likely to cause confusion it shall

immediately notify the League.

[JPTCount]

I like to supply accurate information.

 

It's certainly a hangover from the Lowe days, and the appearance of some 125th Anniversary stuff in SportsDirect a few months later suggests Cortese's probably keen to diversify - though I don't expect he'd have a problem with Saints' online store being the only place Asian fans are going to be able to get their kits from and not getting into price competition with JJB etc.

 

u mean u have to be right, and prove ur more clued on than the rest of the internet

 

wouldn't the club get a % regardless of who sold the shirt though, and wouldn't jjb buy the shirts from umbro or us before they could sell them on?

 

of course he'd rather have every shirt bought through the clubs online store, but thats not going to happen in it's current guise. only very unique and exclusive products can get away with that approach anyway, we are competing with hundreds of others in the market so spreading the availabilty helps (how about a deal with the boston red sox...?). and whoever designs and maintains the FL websites is only interested in getting their sponsors adverts out there, and i doubt we make very much of it, or even if its got a club specific hit counter as its probably all routed through the same server.

[JPTCount]

Nah... spent all morning shopping with the Mrs... so mind is numb... staring vacantly at the screen - will feel better after a beer

 

how do u make a whip sound with letters? or is there an emoticon?

[The9]

Not trawling through the whole thread but weren't we rumoured to be using (on page one or two) last season's yellow kit as our 3rd. It was rubbished by all the "yellow musy be our away kit" merchants but most of the rumours have turned out to be true.

 

That was me guessing that we'd need a third kit if we had the kits we now do have - hence all the stuff about me saying "they're reducing the yellow kit, looks like the away won't be white then because we'd be using it for a third and wouldn't have reduced it if it was still in use". Which turned out to be an incorrect assumption.

[The Kraken]

Nope, there's a maximum limit of 8 matches each for away/third kits (with the rider that if the ref says there's a clash, you change and that counts towards the total).

 

The fines are only about £300 each time anyway !

 

"22. Players of the Visiting Club may wear its away Strip or third Strip when playing in League

Matches provided that they shall not do so on more than 8 occasions in any Season, including

those occasions, if any, when required to do so by virtue of the foregoing provisions of

Rule F.21. For the avoidance of doubt, nothing in this Rule shall limit the number of occasions

a Club may be required to change its Strip pursuant to Rule F.21."

 

Third Strip

25. Each Club may have a third Strip in addition to its home Strip and its away Strip.

26. The provisions of Rules F.14, F.15 and F.16 shall apply to any third Strip as well as to home

Strip and away Strip.

 

Just spotted this too, which is how the clash issue will be resolved in practice :

 

23. At least 7 days prior to each League Match the Visiting Club shall notify the Home Club on

Form 9A of the Strip it intends its Players (including for the avoidance of doubt its goalkeeper)

to wear. If the Home Club is of the opinion that this is likely to cause confusion it shall

immediately notify the League.

 

We can only wear the away shirt 8 times? So we wear the home shirt for 11 away games?

[Thedelldays]

We can only wear the away shirt 8 times? So we wear the home shirt for 11 away games?

hmmm...I guess the home top could be worn at...

 

Chelsea

Everton

Wigan

Reading

Fulham

Man City

Newcastle

Norwich

Swansea

Spurs

QPR

WBA

 

 

????

 

 

away top at...

 

arsenal

man u

liverpool

west ham

villa

 

 

then which combination for stoke/sunderland

Edited 30 June, 2012 by Thedelldays

[The9]

u mean u have to be right, and prove ur more clued on than the rest of the internet

 

wouldn't the club get a % regardless of who sold the shirt though, and wouldn't jjb buy the shirts from umbro or us before they could sell them on?

 

of course he'd rather have every shirt bought through the clubs online store, but thats not going to happen in it's current guise. only very unique and exclusive products can get away with that approach anyway, we are competing with hundreds of others in the market so spreading the availabilty helps (how about a deal with the boston red sox...?). and whoever designs and maintains the FL websites is only interested in getting their sponsors adverts out there, and i doubt we make very much of it, or even if its got a club specific hit counter as its probably all routed through the same server.

 

I went on a management course where I was told that everyone's number 2 driver is the need to be right, I'm not alone. Anyway, who else is interested enough to look into all this crap ? What's wrong with answering questions with facts rather than ill-informed opinion ?

 

They'd get a percentage, but without the figures it's difficult to know if a smaller percentage of far bigger sales is better than a large percentage of a smaller number of sales. The way we do it, we're losing out on floating kit purchases and impulse buys in stores - no idea which would be the best approach without the figures though.

 

Red Sox are owned by Liverpool's owner aren't they ? Judging by the number of Warrior Liverpool shirts in stores they have a deal independent of their manufacturer as well, they're every bit as widespread as when they had adidas shirts.

 

No idea if the Saints Online store is run by the FL store people, it's a secure site with a different URL so might be run separately - I'd suspect that if we suddenly got popular worldwide, it would be manually getting the volumes sent out that would be the bit we'd struggle with.

[The9]

We can only wear the away shirt 8 times? So we wear the home shirt for 11 away games?

 

Yup, if we don't have a third shirt. Obviously if we have one of those as well, then we only have to wear the home kit as few as 3 times.

 

We'll know by the start of the season anyway, PremierLeague.com lists the registered kits when agreed and that Handbook will be online for 2012/13 at some point.

[Chavfinch]

For me the whole thing is a disgrace. I am from Southampton not Liverpool. I support the Saints and we wear red and white stripes with black shorts. For an idiot foreigner to come to our country and change our identity is insulting and a disgrace. I won't be buying any of this rubbish. It's like changing the England kit and turning the Three Lions Red. You wouldn't see the Italians messing about with their plain Blue shirts and white shirts. It's who they are!

 

As far as SFC is concerned, they have prostituted our identity to make more money from us. Must be run by Bankers!

[Matthew Le God]

For me the whole thing is a disgrace. I am from Southampton not Liverpool. I support the Saints and we wear red and white stripes with black shorts. For an idiot foreigner to come to our country and change our identity is insulting and a disgrace. I won't be buying any of this rubbish. It's like changing the England kit and turning the Three Lions Red. You wouldn't see the Italians messing about with their plain Blue shirts and white shirts. It's who they are!

 

As far as SFC is concerned, they have prostituted our identity to make more money from us. Must be run by Bankers!

 

For 59 years Saints wore blue shorts and blue socks. Why aren't you calling for a return to blue shorts and blue socks?

[The9]

Yeah, I find it fairly likely that the PL have to sign off on the kits. But I'm wondering what the possibility it, in this case, to have a nominated 3rd kit for 1 or 2 games where the away kit is deemed inappropriate. Sunderland don't even release their home kit until next month. Have they shown the PL an advanced copy? Probably; but maybe not.

 

You can have a nominated 3rd kit for a couple of games, there's no problem with that. They will have told the Prem, yeah.

[The9]

For 59 years Saints wore blue shorts and blue socks. Why aren't you calling for a return to blue shorts and blue socks?

 

Because we haven't worn that in the lifetime of the majority of Saints fans I'm guessing.

[Matthew Le God]

Because we haven't worn that in the lifetime of the majority of Saints fans I'm guessing.

 

Just goes to show "tradition" is quite short term in some people's eyes. A lot of people consider Leeds to be traditionally white or Coventry sky blue. That "tradition" happened in the 1960's. Early on after those changes I'm sure you would have people like we have Saints fans at the moment complaining about Leeds and Coventry not sticking to the pre 1960's "tradition".

Edited 30 June, 2012 by Matthew Le God

[Gingeletiss]

For me the whole thing is a disgrace. I am from Southampton not Liverpool. I support the Saints and we wear red and white stripes with black shorts. For an idiot foreigner to come to our country and change our identity is insulting and a disgrace. I won't be buying any of this rubbish. It's like changing the England kit and turning the Three Lions Red. You wouldn't see the Italians messing about with their plain Blue shirts and white shirts. It's who they are!

 

As far as SFC is concerned, they have prostituted our identity to make more money from us. Must be run by Bankers!

 

Username says it all imo!

[The Kraken]

For me the whole thing is a disgrace. I am from Southampton not Liverpool. I support the Saints and we wear red and white stripes with black shorts. For an idiot foreigner to come to our country and change our identity is insulting and a disgrace. I won't be buying any of this rubbish. It's like changing the England kit and turning the Three Lions Red. You wouldn't see the Italians messing about with their plain Blue shirts and white shirts. It's who they are!

 

As far as SFC is concerned, they have prostituted our identity to make more money from us. Must be run by Bankers!

 

[JPTCount]

I went on a management course where I was told that everyone's number 2 driver is the need to be right, I'm not alone. Anyway, who else is interested enough to look into all this crap ? What's wrong with answering questions with facts rather than ill-informed opinion ?

 

They'd get a percentage, but without the figures it's difficult to know if a smaller percentage of far bigger sales is better than a large percentage of a smaller number of sales. The way we do it, we're losing out on floating kit purchases and impulse buys in stores - no idea which would be the best approach without the figures though.

 

Red Sox are owned by Liverpool's owner aren't they ? Judging by the number of Warrior Liverpool shirts in stores they have a deal independent of their manufacturer as well, they're every bit as widespread as when they had adidas shirts.

 

No idea if the Saints Online store is run by the FL store people, it's a secure site with a different URL so might be run separately - I'd suspect that if we suddenly got popular worldwide, it would be manually getting the volumes sent out that would be the bit we'd struggle with.

 

so ur in the school of thought that thinks management and leadership can be taught then? regardless, its the way u posted the correction, and after someone had already done it

 

to get to the online store u have to navigate the site, which is ****e, and run by FL interactive (or whatever they are called). the url doesn't really matter, it just means its a secure part of saintsfc.co.uk. my point was that all the FL sites a probably run by the clubs offices using a content management system, but all kept on the same server somewhere in scotland. and i doubt pacaging would ever become too much for the club to handle, if it does I'm sure NC will expand the packing room.

 

the red sox bit wans't serious, just an example of thing other large clubs have done to increase the sale of merch

[diggers]

My concern over the whole new kit saga should in my opinion open a wider debate, that is; Do Southampton FC (or most other clubs for that matter) treat us the paying public as customers. I know for sure that I strive every working hour to satisfy my (often unreasonably difficult to please) customers, and I live with the concern that if i don't involve them and take their views into consideration that they may well walk and choose to buy somewhere else.

There is obviously a huge difference with a football club because, in my opinion, they play on our "love" for our club and assume that we will still be there and are hardly likely to stop "buying" from them, i.e. attending matches, when they (the board) make a decision without taking our (the customers) views into consideration.

I know that Marcus saved the club etc but I'm sure that he wouldn't of done if he and his "banker" hadn't considered it a decent investment, so really I do find myself, in the cold light of day, questioning why I do just follow lemming like, whatever they do and always go back regardless. I think the people who run football clubs should take a moment to evaluate how many of these relatively minor snubs us customers will take before one day some of us decide that spending money on a football club is just like spending money at a cinema, hotel or other leisure pursuit and offer them a wake up call by doing what we would do to any other supplier.

[Micky]

Ahhhhh the shirt thread, on page 43. Impressive lads, impressive.......

[Pedro]

Would buy a red shirt tomorrow IF there was no logo on it, that IMO, cheapens it. Wear my 125 anniversary non-logo black away shirt, a lot.

[sussexsaint]

I suspect we'll be back in stripes next season.

 

Chill good people, it will all turn out alright in the end.