New Kits 2012-13

[The Kraken]

Just a reminder of what the model said...

 

I might be being a bit thick; but is the concept of "English pride" based on the fact that one kit is red and one is white?

[The9]

I think it'll look decent with the whole kit, I wouldn't mind those socks at all (especially if we don't get stripes on the shirt).

 

Just imagine; if we got similar style socks in red and white we'd look like a barber's post. What's not to like about that.....

 

That was what I was worried about !

[The9]

I might be being a bit thick; but is the concept of "English pride" based on the fact that one kit is red and one is white?

 

We shall see... probably though.

[Kenilworthy]

Also worth pointing out that Air Florida also sponsored the plain red kit with white/black flashes over the shoulder, that might be the kit they meant, not the Rank Xerox/reverse Ajax/Keegan/Patrick/broad stripe etc. kit.

 

Air Florida were only sponsors for 83-84. Draper took over as sponsor on the Keegan style kit for 84-85 and were sponsors for the Steve Zodiac style kit of 85-87.

[Saint Mark]

Just noticed on the official site the saints badge for 'Less than 5 days to go'. Perhaps a silver badge with no colour? May look very nice on a plain background, similar to the new Chelsea and Man City design.

[dubai_phil]

Just a reminder of what the model said...

 

And also "Amanda Rushforth ‏@AmandaRushforth

@iamsmithy ones white, the other is red with thin white stripes, very professional looking :P"

 

pmsl.

 

Smithy is a Dubai Saint. ROFL, the only way he'd know is what I have linked from here..

 

Unless the model is an Emirates girl of course.

 

Oh and I like the red with the pinstripes. Hope it will be available without the sponsor logo as then I can wear it out as we all do (still) with the sash shirt to the pub & golf etc

[The9]

Air Florida were only sponsors for 83-84. Draper took over as sponsor on the Keegan style kit for 84-85 and were sponsors for the Steve Zodiac style kit of 85-87.

 

Yeah, I noticed that earlier, realised Draper sponsored the kit I was thinking of and forgot to edit it. I have no idea what a "Steve Zodiac" is though...

[The9]

pmsl.

 

Smithy is a Dubai Saint. ROFL, the only way he'd know is what I have linked from here..

 

Unless the model is an Emirates girl of course.

 

Oh and I like the red with the pinstripes. Hope it will be available without the sponsor logo as then I can wear it out as we all do (still) with the sash shirt to the pub & golf etc

 

She posted that to him, not vice versa. You'll be lucky to get one without a sponsor logo - I spotted a few GK shirts in the West Quay shop the other week but I think they were random leftover stock.

[The9]

Just noticed on the official site the saints badge for 'Less than 5 days to go'. Perhaps a silver badge with no colour? May look very nice on a plain background, similar to the new Chelsea and Man City design.

 

Not unless it's on the away kit. Or the white kit is the home kit...

[Saint J 77]

Yeah, I noticed that earlier, realised Draper sponsored the kit I was thinking of and forgot to edit it. I have no idea what a "Steve Zodiac" is though...

 

The9, I know you have answered this question before and I'm not doubting that you've actually seen the kit. But for my benefit could you say how you managed to get an early viewing of the kit again? I don't recall the answer and I'm to lazy to go back and find it. Cheers

[The9]

The9, I know you have answered this question before and I'm not doubting that you've actually seen the kit. But for my benefit could you say how you managed to get an early viewing of the kit again? I don't recall the answer and I'm to lazy to go back and find it. Cheers

 

I didn't say.

[Saint J 77]

I didn't say.

 

oh ok, so you can't say then? Or you choose not too?

[The9]

oh ok, so you can't say then? Or you choose not to?

 

Both.

[Hockey_saint]

Can we call it the Rank Xerox kit??

 

I remember the cheap sticker of Air Florida being put over the "Rank" - bad times...

 

Do bare in mind Air Florida would probably have sponsored us longer and it probably would have been a reasonable deal if they didn't go under thanks to several problems all related to a large number of people dying in the icy cold Potomac in Washington DC...so whilst we can mock the Air Florida logo, just spare a thought

[Kenilworthy]

Yeah, I noticed that earlier, realised Draper sponsored the kit I was thinking of and forgot to edit it. I have no idea what a "Steve Zodiac" is though...

 

You have to be of a certain age to remember Steve Zodiac, captain of Fireball XL5

[Saint J 77]

Both.

 

ok thanks, not long left to go for the rest of us now anyway

[alpine_saint]

ok thanks, not long left to go for the rest of us now anyway

 

Indeed, but The9s ITK c*ck-swinging has grown tiresome.

 

I think hes ruined this kit unveiling.

[CWD]

Indeed, but The9s ITK c*ck-swinging has grown tiresome.

 

I think hes ruined this kit unveiling.

 

Bit harsh, he's revealed a lot and as much as he feels comfortable to, and that makes a nice a change from the usual ITK mantra of 'can't say anything more than...' etc.

 

I like the look of the kit as a shirt, but not sure it's very saints. I'll still buy it though because by the looks of things it will be another smart umbro shirt. But yeah, not sure it's us.

[The9]

Indeed, but The9s ITK c*ck-swinging has grown tiresome.

 

I think hes ruined this kit unveiling.

 

Well it IS much bigger than yours.

[The Kraken]

Indeed, but The9s ITK c*ck-swinging has grown tiresome.

 

I think hes ruined this kit unveiling.

What a rotter.

[The9]

You have to be of a certain age to remember Steve Zodiac, captain of Fireball XL5

 

Ah, I could have Googled, but... at least I know what Fireball XL5 is, even if it was a couple of years before my time. I will now have to Google a picture anyway to get the reference.

 

 

[The9]

What a rotter.

 

I'm hoping he was somehow having a sense of humour in being extremely tongue-in-cheek, but it would be somewhat out of character and completely in line with what I had assumed were legitimately annoyed comments about making him hate the kit by saying bad things about it a few pages back.

 

Very strange anyway, you'd think people would want to be able to make their own minds up, if I have mass media mind control powers I should probably use them for good, not, erm, kit critique.

[The Kraken]

I'm hoping he was somehow having a sense of humour in being extremely tongue-in-cheek, but it would be somewhat out of character and completely in line with what I had assumed were legitimately annoyed comments about making him hate the kit by saying bad things about it a few pages back.

 

Very strange anyway, you'd think people would want to be able to make their own minds up, if I have mass media mind control powers I should probably use them for good, not, erm, kit critique.

I'll be honest, I got lost in the irony of him accusing someone else of being tiresome.

[BlakeySFC]

Nope, but they have obviously actually thought about it for once : "we have a unique separate shirt printing unit on the ground floor of the shopping centre (outside Marks & Spencer)". That should sort it out though why they haven't put on in the West Quay store permanently who knows ?

 

Where did you find this information?

[SaintRichmond]

I would say the one on the left was the more accurate of the two.

 

Viewed from a distance, they would look like PLAIN RED SHIRTS

 

ie, the Man U of the South Coast

[PhilippineSaint]

Viewed from a distance, they would look like PLAIN RED SHIRTS

 

ie, the Man U of the South Coast

 

I thought we were meant to be the Man City of the South Coast which means these shirts are even more wrong than they already appear they are just not Saintly.

[100%Red&White]

Found the training kit too - is this the one you saw 100%Red&White ? They look remarkably like the last red England away shirt template from 2009 but they're current...

 

 

Yeah, I'd say that's about it.

[mulletsaint]

I'll be honest, I got lost in the irony of him accusing someone else of being tiresome.

 

Seems to be quite a bit of that going about.

[bpsaint]

Given how popular the Premier League is across the globe these days I'm starting to wonder if the kit does indeed look like the mock ups whether the radical change from red and whites stripes is because Cortese liked it or if it's designed to appeal to a far east audience, ala Cardiff City.

 

Perhaps we're trying to get some investment by increasing our appeal over there, step 1 was completed with the signing of Tadanari Lee.

[Hatch]

 

 

 

Is that another clue ?!!!! Not sure I like the collars,

[buctootim]

 

 

Is that another clue ?!!!! Not sure I like the collars,

 

Doubt its true. They wouldnt get Lee Barnard to model the kit.

[Spudders]

I like the look of the kit as a shirt, but not sure it's very saints.

I remember a lot of people saying this sort of thing when there was talk of us having a sash shirt & that turned out to be the most popular shirt ever.

Edited 28 June, 2012 by Spudders

[The9]

I remember a lot of people saying this sort of thing when there was talk of us having a sash shirt & that turned out to be the most popular shirt ever.

 

There are a few differences though (mentioned already in this thread somewhere), the sash was a tangible part of Saints' history and tied in with the 125 anniversary, so people accepted it as a nice touch and it was positively received precisely because it was an appropriate time for a one-off and to be a bit different. Plus is was a top quality kit, didn't look cheap and tied in with the polo-wearers and leisure market.

 

This red thing doesn't look remotely like any previous Saints kits, there's no "good" reason for it not being stripes, and it's not even a classic design (unless you're a Nottingham Forest or Liverpool fan). Also, it's not even red material, it's white with the red printed all over it, which is about as cheap-looking as it gets with football kits.

 

I'm not hopeful, but you never know, it might look better on...

 

Interesting point re: the Asian market btw, but surely if we have some red already there's no benefit in going all red ?

[The9]

I'm eager to see the away kit. If it's the white shirt with red pin stripes I think I'd prefer that one. Could be more popular. They could almost wear either at home. Not sure if that's in the rules or not.

 

Said model on twitter replied to one question saying it WASN'T the reverse, which is a shame.

 

The rules (PDF!) : http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2011-12.pdf

 

See Rule 21 in red below.

 

Section F, pages 135-8, last year's Premier League Handbook :

 

SECTION F

PLAYER IDENTIFICATION AND STRIP

Player Identification

1. Before the commencement of each Season each Club shall allocate a different shirt number

to each member of its first team squad.

2. A Club shall likewise allocate a shirt number to any Player joining its first team squad during

the Season.

3. Save with the prior written consent of the Board shirt numbers shall commence with the

number one and shall be allocated consecutively.

4. While he remains with the Club a Player will retain his shirt number throughout the Season

for which it was allocated.

5. Upon a Player leaving a Club the shirt number allocated to him may be re-allocated.

6. Each Club shall forthwith provide to the Secretary on Form 8 full details in writing of shirt

numbers allocated so that throughout each Season the Secretary is aware of the names of

members of the first team squad of each Club and the shirt numbers allocated to them.

7. When playing in League Matches each Player shall wear a shirt on the back of which shall be

prominently displayed his shirt number and above that his surname or such other name as

may be approved in writing by the Board.

8. The Player’s shirt number shall also appear on the front of the left leg of his shorts.

9. The size, style, colour and design of shirt numbers, lettering and the logo of the League

appearing on a Player’s shirt or shorts and the material from which such numbers, lettering

and logo are made shall be determined by the Board from time to time.

10. The colour and design of the shirt and stockings worn by the goalkeeper when playing in

League Matches shall be such as to distinguish him from the other Players and from Match

Officials.

11. The captain of each team appearing in a League Match shall wear an armband provided by

the League indicating his status as such.

 

12. Any Club acting in breach of any of Rules F.1 to F.11 inclusive will be liable to pay to the

League a fixed penalty of £300 for a first breach, £600 for a second breach and £1,200 for a

third breach. Any subsequent breach may be dealt under the provisions of Section R.

Home and Away Strip

13. Each Club shall have a home Strip and an away Strip which shall be worn by its Players in

League Matches in accordance with the provisions of these Rules.

14. The logo of the League shall appear on each sleeve of both home Strip and away Strip shirts.

15. Neither the home Strip shirt nor the away Strip shirt shall be of a colour or design alike or

similar to the outfits of Match Officials.

16. Not later than 4 weeks before the commencement of each Season each Club shall register its

Strips by submitting to the Secretary Form 9 together with samples of its home Strip, away

Strip and goalkeeper’s Strip complying with these Rules and a brief written description of each

and the Secretary having entered the descriptions in a register will cause the same to be

printed in the handbook of the League.

17. Each Strip submitted for registration in accordance with Rule F.16 shall have on it:

17.1 the shirt number and name of any Player in the Club’s first team squad, displayed as

required by Rule F.7;

17.2 any advertisement for which the approval of the Board is either sought or has already

been given under the provisions of Rule F.28.1.

18. If pursuant to Rule F.16 a Club seeks to register a Strip which does not comply with these

Rules:

18.1 the Board shall give to that Club notice in writing to that effect giving full details of the

changes required to achieve compliance; and

18.2 the Strip in question shall not be worn by that Club’s Players until a further sample has

been submitted to and approved in writing by the Board.

19. Subject to Rule F.20, Strips of the description thus registered shall be worn throughout the

Season immediately following and no changes to it shall be made except with the prior

written permission of the Board.

20. On the occasion of a Club’s last home or away League Match in any Season an alternative

Strip may be worn provided that:

 

20.1 at least 7 days’ prior written notice of intention to do so is given to the Secretary and

the opposing Club together in each case with a sample of the Strip intended to be worn;

20.2 the alternative Strip shall be subsequently registered as the Club’s home or away Strip

for the following Season.

21. Subject to Rules F.20 and F.22, when playing in League Matches the Players of each

participating Club shall wear its home Strip unless the home Strips of the participating Clubs

are alike or similar or are in the opinion of the referee likely to cause confusion in which event

Players of the Visiting Club shall wear its away Strip, third Strip or a combination of its home

Strip, away Strip and its third Strip. In the event of any dispute with regard to the Strip to be

worn by either Club, the referee’s decision shall be final.

22. Players of the Visiting Club may wear its away Strip or third Strip when playing in League

Matches provided that they shall not do so on more than 8 occasions in any Season, including

those occasions, if any, when required to do so by virtue of the foregoing provisions of

Rule F.21. For the avoidance of doubt, nothing in this Rule shall limit the number of occasions

a Club may be required to change its Strip pursuant to Rule F.21.

23. At least 7 days prior to each League Match the Visiting Club shall notify the Home Club on

Form 9A of the Strip it intends its Players (including for the avoidance of doubt its goalkeeper)

to wear. If the Home Club is of the opinion that this is likely to cause confusion it shall

immediately notify the League.

24. Subject to Rule F.20, no Club shall participate in a League Match wearing Strip other than its

registered home Strip or away Strip or third Strip or a combination of the three except with

the prior written consent of the Board.

Third Strip

25. Each Club may have a third Strip in addition to its home Strip and its away Strip.

26. The provisions of Rules F.14, F.15 and F.16 shall apply to any third Strip as well as to home

Strip and away Strip.

Strip Advertising

27. Provided that:

27.1 the content, design and area of the advertisement is approved by the Board; and

27.2 it complies with the Football Association Rules for the time being in force;

advertising on Strip shall be permitted.

Edited 28 June, 2012 by The9

[The9]

To summarise : You specify a home and away kit, and wear your home kit at home unless there's going to be a clash.

 

You can have a third kit if you want. You can only wear your away OR your third kit if you have one, a maximum of 8 times.

 

You can also have a new home or away kit for the last game of the season provided you wear it the following season.

[Spudders]

There are a few differences though (mentioned already in this thread somewhere), the sash was a tangible part of Saints' history and tied in with the 125 anniversary, so people accepted it as a nice touch and it was positively received precisely because it was an appropriate time for a one-off and to be a bit different. Plus is was a top quality kit, didn't look cheap and tied in with the polo-wearers and leisure market.

 

This red thing doesn't look remotely like any previous Saints kits, there's no "good" reason for it not being stripes, and it's not even a classic design (unless you're a Nottingham Forest or Liverpool fan). Also, it's not even red material, it's white with the red printed all over it, which is about as cheap-looking as it gets with football kits.

 

Yeah I totally get there was a link with the use of the sash, but it's a historical one, that if we're honest is not relevant to the majority of fans. Most (not all) fans have the opinion that saints are red & white stripes based on the fact that that's all they have ever seen with their own eyes, generally people just don't like change ( until it happens, after which they embrace it & wonder what the fuss was about before).

 

Personally, I wasn't a fan of the sash shirt, because I didn't like it visually. The fact it was linked to a part of our clubs history (whilst great we remember our roots) had no impact on my opinion of the actual design of the shirt.

 

The majority of fans from recent decades are used to having red & white stripes of the same or similar thickness. Technically these new designs are just dramatically changing the differences between the thickness of the different colours, they are still red & white stipes.

 

As for the red being printed on a white shirt, well yes, that does sound a bit rubbish, but I'll wait to see the kit. As for the overall design, if it does turn out to look like you suggest then I like this one.

 

It will also mean that we can sing 'coooooome oooooon yooooou reeeeeeds' without it being so discriminatory against the white

Edited 28 June, 2012 by Spudders

[The9]

Yeah I totally get there was a link with the use of the sash, but it's a historical one, that if we're honest is not relevant to the majority of fans. Most (not all) fans have the opinion that saints are red & white stripes based on the fact that that's all they have ever seen with their own eyes, generally people just don't like change *****il it happens, after which they embrace it & wonder what the fuss was about before).

 

Personally, I wasn't a fan of the sash shirt, because I didn't like it visually. The fact it was linked to a part of our clubs history (whilst great we remember our roots) had no impact on my opinion of the actual design of the shirt.

 

The majority of fans from recent decades are used to having red & white stripes of the same or similar thickness. Technically these new designs are just dramatically changing the differences between the thickness of the different colours, they are still red & white stipes.

 

As for the red being printed on a white shirt, well yes, that does sound a bit rubbish, but I'll wait to see the kit. As for the overall design, if it does turn out to look like you suggest then I like this one.

 

It will also mean that we can sing 'coooooome oooooon yooooou reeeeeeds' without it being so discriminatory against the white

 

Mmmm, I'm knocking 40 and as an adult I've never seen Saints play at home in anything other than stripes except the sash, the last non-striped kit before that being 1986-ish if you allow the Denmark kit to count as "stripes".

 

The thing with the history argument is that the sash is inarguably linked to the club, even if people don't remember it themselves. The red thing is ok as a kit, but it's just not what you expect for a Saints kit and has no historical relevance. We've worn plain red before, back when people were first pushing the boundaries of advertising and kit marketing, but we've never worn plain red with pinstripes or anything like it.

 

I think you're probably in a minority with your view of the aesthetics of the sash shirt as well, most people loved the design.

 

I'm hoping Umbro haven't just chucked something half-assed out, but I have a few "printed" colour shirts, and they're all cack compared to the ones with a solid base colour in the material. It doesn't matter so much when it's white with red stripes on it because there's not really many other ways of doing that, but a whole other base colour is just a bit cheapy.

 

I assume it's a technical thing, easier than printing white (and grey) pinstripes onto a dark background, but I'm not sure I'm keen on the effect. A lot will depend on how it looks with the shorts and socks though. If they go with the diagonal hooped socks it will officially be hideous overall no matter what the shorts look like.

[mulletsaint]

Given how popular the Premier League is across the globe these days I'm starting to wonder if the kit does indeed look like the mock ups whether the radical change from red and whites stripes is because Cortese liked it or if it's designed to appeal to a far east audience, ala Cardiff City.

 

Perhaps we're trying to get some investment by increasing our appeal over there, step 1 was completed with the signing of Tadanari Lee.

 

Or maybe we're trying to bring the kit more in line with the national colours of both England and our Swiss owners? Wouldn't be surprised to see the black gone completely. White shorts? Maybe Navy blue as some have suggested. Would fit with something mentioned earlier in the thread.

[BlakeySFC]

There are a few differences though (mentioned already in this thread somewhere), the sash was a tangible part of Saints' history and tied in with the 125 anniversary, so people accepted it as a nice touch and it was positively received precisely because it was an appropriate time for a one-off and to be a bit different. Plus is was a top quality kit, didn't look cheap and tied in with the polo-wearers and leisure market.

 

This red thing doesn't look remotely like any previous Saints kits, there's no "good" reason for it not being stripes, and it's not even a classic design (unless you're a Nottingham Forest or Liverpool fan). Also, it's not even red material, it's white with the red printed all over it, which is about as cheap-looking as it gets with football kits.

 

I'm not hopeful, but you never know, it might look better on...

 

Interesting point re: the Asian market btw, but surely if we have some red already there's no benefit in going all red ?

 

I'm trying to get my head around the whole printed on part.

 

Can you give any other examples of shirts that have had their colours printed on?

[Hatch]

 

The rules (PDF!) : http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2011-12.pdf

 

See Rule 21 in red below.

 

Section F, pages 135-8, last year's Premier League Handbook :

 

etc etc etc , loads of rules that I didn' read.

 

I bet this wasn't even a cut and past job, I bet The9 knows this off by heart , word for word.

[buctootim]

I like the red and white stripes but with Sunderland and Stoke wearing almost identical gear I'd be happy with something different if it was distinctive and quality. The sash worked well imo.

[The9]

I'm trying to get my head around the whole printed on part.

 

Can you give any other examples of white shirts that have had their colours printed on?

 

Not sure you're getting it if you're asking about white shirts, white is the "default" colour for the material.

 

The 1994 Pony tick kit is printed - even the black shorts - I know this because my shorts had a manufacturing defect where the polyester had stuck together, and when it opened, the fold was white inside and the rest of the short was the black/red/white Pony print.

 

Have a look on the inside of a shirt to see what colour it is. If it's not the same colour as the "outside" of the shirt, it's a print on one side rather than a dyed fabric (same colour throughout). Generally the prints are cheaper looking, IMO.

 

The recent red England away kit from Umbro is actually red, for instance.

The 1991 Liverpool adidas shirt with Candy on the front and the 3 stripes over the right shoulder (camera left) is printed, as is the green away kit.

My horrible glc Newport County kit from 2006 is printed, you'd think they'd have put a proper chain on it...

[The9]

I bet this wasn't even a cut and past job, I bet The9 knows this off by heart , word for word.

 

I do now...

[The9]

I like the red and white stripes but with Sunderland and Stoke wearing almost identical gear I'd be happy with something different if it was distinctive and quality. The sash worked well imo.

 

Teams wearing red and white stripes : 2

Teams wearing predominantly red shirts : 3 (including Arsenal with white sleeves)

 

Not much in it, is there ? And why try to be "different" by looking like 3 massive teams when you can be the dominant striped team much easier ?

[Saint_clark]

It's a shame we made the sash a one off from the start, I'd have quite liked a permanent move to it - maybe alternating between that and stripes as the home/away kit.

[BlakeySFC]

Not sure you're getting it if you're asking about white shirts, white is the "default" colour for the material.

 

The 1994 Pony tick kit is printed - even the black shorts - I know this because my shorts had a manufacturing defect where the polyester had stuck together, and when it opened, the fold was white inside and the rest of the short was the black/red/white Pony print.

 

Have a look on the inside of a shirt to see what colour it is. If it's not the same colour as the "outside" of the shirt, it's a print on one side rather than a dyed fabric (same colour throughout). Generally the prints are cheaper looking, IMO.

 

The recent red England away kit from Umbro is actually red, for instance.

The 1991 Liverpool adidas shirt with Candy on the front and the 3 stripes over the right shoulder (camera left) is printed, as is the green away kit.

My horrible glc Newport County kit from 2006 is printed, you'd think they'd have put a proper chain on it...

 

Thanks.

 

Still can't think of a footie shirt I actually own that's printed like this at the moment.

[The Kraken]

It's a shame we made the sash a one off from the start, I'd have quite liked a permanent move to it - maybe alternating between that and stripes as the home/away kit.

IMO a sponsor on the front would completely ruin the sash. I'm happy for the sash to remain a classic and timeless kit.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Isn't it about time we start guessing who's going to be wearing the kit in the promo shots?! I think Rodriguez is a pretty good bet, plus Lallana and Lambert I reckon.

[BlakeySFC]

Isn't it about time we start guessing who's going to be wearing the kit in the promo shots?! I think Rodriguez is a pretty good bet' date=' plus Lallana and Lambert I reckon.[/quote']

 

I'd guess Lambert, Lallana, Rodriguez, Hooiveld and possibly Jack Cork

[krissyboy31]

Isn't it about time we start guessing who's going to be wearing the kit in the promo shots?! I think Rodriguez is a pretty good bet' date=' plus Lallana and Lambert I reckon.[/quote']

Thought it was some blonde bit from twitter!