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Why MUST we follow Umbro's standard templates anyway ?

 

Because they don't get enough money back from us in sales to make it worth the development costs of doing something bespoke, I should think.

 

Man City get their own bespoke stuff, we get something unique based on a combination of current season designs (in this case a bit Sweden and a bit Lille), Huddersfield get a modified version of one of last year's styles or an outright teamwear kit anyone could order for their parks team.

 

FWIW regarding the posts above about the Man City kit, I usually like the simplicity of the Umbro templates and the (usual) quality of the material, but the new shirt is a bit too plain, and the collar even looks like a mishmash of previous styles. Plus the monochrome badge isn't very pleasant.

 

Red and white striped teams : Sunderland, Stoke, Lincoln, Brentford, Cheltenham (though not last season), Exeter. Most play in black shorts too - I quite like the idea of us in navy shorts as pre-1950, it looks decent too.

 

Far fewer red/white stripes than there are red shirts, or blue shirts for that matter though. Slightly more prevalent than amber/yellow or green. Basically if you're looking at "unique", that's only Wycombe and Plymouth, maybe Crystal Palace.

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That looks like a scarf.

 

As I said, we don't have the "V", only the v-neck!

 

I have noticed almost all of the new Umbro kits have the small band of contrast colour on the sleeves, so expect that on the Saints shirt too.

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Apparently they've moved the embroidered "96".

 

Blasphemy...

 

They've stuck two flames and 96 on the back at the top, in order to facilitate the use of their original Liver bird badge - which is a massive improvement on the convoluted badge they've had since 1992. Surprised no-one's complained about the lack of Shankly Gates by now...

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Yeah alright, that's pretty ugly! Hadn't seen that one.

 

Every possibility that Saints could sign with Warrior next season, they're trying to get a foothold in football, and you don't just do that with one team.

 

The black/grey bib effort is a bit of a throwback to one of their 2002ish Reebok kits, at least in my head.

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Every possibility that Saints could sign with Warrior next season, they're trying to get a foothold in football, and you don't just do that with one team.

 

The black/grey bib effort is a bit of a throwback to one of their 2002ish Reebok kits, at least in my head.

 

Actually not that similar... and maybe even nearer the 2003 Blackburn away kit (though that had a ridiculous grey back too).

 

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I think the technical term for the 'bib' is called a Yoke. If you look at the early kits for a lot of football clubs, a lot of the shirt had them.

 

If I had my way I would just have the 2009-2010 kit every season (the last with flybe). Apart from the plastic sponsor bit one of my favourite kits. Simple Red and White stripes...but I understand the need for the club to maximise its cash flow by selling shirts.

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I think the technical term for the 'bib' is called a Yoke. If you look at the early kits for a lot of football clubs, a lot of the shirt had them.

 

If I had my way I would just have the 2009-2010 kit every season (the last with flybe). Apart from the plastic sponsor bit one of my favourite kits. Simple Red and White stripes...but I understand the need for the club to maximise its cash flow by selling shirts.

 

The "yoke" can also be a blocked rectangular area (as seen in our recent navy away kit with yellow yoke). That last (Umbro) flybe kit would be SO much better without a sponsor.

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Saw Liverpool's in Sports Direct at the weekend and it looked like something that had been knocked out in a Bangkok market.

 

Looks no more or less like a Premier League shirt than any other to me, to be fair.

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so, what isn't a bland shirt then...seeing that every other one is bland..?

 

The Lille shirts aren't bland, even though they are only two colours. They have an interesting design, which so far is unique to them. They're a little on the ugly side because the collar looks like it extends down the shirt, but they're not just "one colour, some run of the mill collar and a badge". Which is basically what the Man City shirt home shirt looks like.

 

The Nottingham Forest shirt has nothing to it other than some collar and some logos, that is pretty bland. Though it does seem to be excessively shiny.

 

I don't think the new Saints home shirt is going to be bland, the pinstripes are a bit different for us and the collar is interesting (though not unique it hasn't been on many shirts). I'm still not so sure I'm going to like it though.

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The quality is shocking.

 

I think the sunken pinstripe effect which is woven into the shirt looks pretty high quality actually. It's not just plain and polyester, it has some nice details for a single colour shirt.

 

The away kit is pretty out there though, haven't seen that one close up yet.

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I think the sunken pinstripe effect which is woven into the shirt looks pretty high quality actually. It's not just plain and polyester, it has some nice details for a single colour shirt.

 

The away kit is pretty out there though, haven't seen that one close up yet.

It looked and felt exactly like an old Pro Star kit we used to wear about 20 years ago, which were about a £5 a shirt, not the best part of £50.
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One that isn't, in the person's opinion, boring? Answers itself doesn't it? If someone thinks a shirt is bland, it's very plain, straightforward and they can't find much reason to like it.

 

Some simple shirts aren't bland. Anything a bit different whether good or bad isn't bland is it. That Liverpool away one doesn't look good but it's not bland.

 

Thanks to you needing an explanation of bland, this post is bland.

 

I think it has some subtle and interesting threads woven into it. ;)

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It looked and felt exactly like an old Pro Star kit we used to wear about 20 years ago, which were about a £5 a shirt, not the best part of £50.

 

All football shirts cost about that much to make though, we all know that. SportsDirect flog them off at £10 and still make a profit.

 

I don't agree really, I think it's a lot better quality than the Pro Star kits - did you know they're supplying Hants Cricket this season ? Still pretty ropy and "teamwear"y even in a "club shop"...

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Don't know why everyone's banging on about what they'd like to see from the new kit, rumours, hearsay etc.

 

If you read over the first 14 pages of this thread you'll know that it is RED with thin white pin stripes.

 

I don't think you're teaching anyone anything there. Maybe they just like discussing what they want in a Saints kit rather than what they're getting.

 

Also, as nothing's been confirmed about the design from the club, everything at this point is rumours and hearsay, how do you think we "know" it's going to be red with thin white pinstripes ?

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I don't think you're teaching anyone anything there. Maybe they just like discussing what they want in a Saints kit rather than what they're getting.

 

Also, as nothing's been confirmed about the design from the club, everything at this point is rumours and hearsay, how do you think we "know" it's going to be red with thin white pinstripes ?

 

From what the ITKers in this thread have said/hinted about it.

 

If they're all lying bulls_hitters (which I honestly don't think they are) then obviously It could be pink and green stripes for all I know.

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Because they don't get enough money back from us in sales to make it worth the development costs of doing something bespoke, I should think.

 

Man City get their own bespoke stuff, we get something unique based on a combination of current season designs (in this case a bit Sweden and a bit Lille), Huddersfield get a modified version of one of last year's styles or an outright teamwear kit anyone could order for their parks team.

 

FWIW regarding the posts above about the Man City kit, I usually like the simplicity of the Umbro templates and the (usual) quality of the material, but the new shirt is a bit too plain, and the collar even looks like a mishmash of previous styles. Plus the monochrome badge isn't very pleasant.

 

Red and white striped teams : Sunderland, Stoke, Lincoln, Brentford, Cheltenham (though not last season), Exeter. Most play in black shorts too - I quite like the idea of us in navy shorts as pre-1950, it looks decent too.

 

Far fewer red/white stripes than there are red shirts, or blue shirts for that matter though. Slightly more prevalent than amber/yellow or green. Basically if you're looking at "unique", that's only Wycombe and Plymouth, maybe Crystal Palace.

 

You forgot Sheffield Utd.

 

As for costs, I would pay a bit more for a bespoke design. But then thats me. If the colours are so often used, mores the reason to do something original (or traditional) with them.

 

We were a "sash" and "quarters" team long before we were a "stripes" team...

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From what the ITKers in this thread have said/hinted about it.

 

If they're all lying bulls_hitters (which I honestly don't think they are) then obviously It could be pink and green stripes for all I know.

 

Yeah, that's kind of my point though. Without the thread which you're saying you "don't know why people are banging on about" there wouldn't be the hearsay to "know" what we (think we) know - even the stuff doing the rounds on twitter originated here.

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You forgot Sheffield Utd.

 

As for costs, I would pay a bit more for a bespoke design. But then thats me. If the colours are so often used, mores the reason to do something original (or traditional) with them.

 

We were a "sash" and "quarters" team long before we were a "stripes" team...

 

I did forget Sheffield United.

 

Cortese inherited the Umbro contract from the pre-admin era so he's limited to what he can do - I especially wonder how he'll choose to negotiate regarding the outlets the kit can be sold in - we have an incredibly restricted retail side, only the 2 Southampton shops, online sales and (I think still) the 1 Isle of Wight store sell Saints kit. That's significantly different to most Prem clubs, who shift kits through the likes of JJB/Sportsdirect and anyone who wants to sell them and take their cut.

 

It'll be interesting to see what half-baked and slightly unconventional approach he takes to this before reverting to the tried and testing long-standing conventional approach everyone else follows after a year... Though ironically our existing kit sales approach is half-baked and unconventional already for once, which might mean him bucking the trend takes us mainstream. :)

 

We were a sash and quarters team, but no-one under the age of 60 even remembers us wearing blue shorts with out stripes, so what relevance does it have to the people who are actually likely to buy these things ? It's fine as a one-off Anniversary kit, but anything more than an occasional "special" kit will have the grumblers out in force. It is strange that we haven't tapped into the retro market with a Patrick "reverse Ajax" kit rip-off, but we haven't.

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Changing every year, I think a classic striped shirt will sell better after a different design. People like a unique kit. We're lucky, we have 2 primary shirt colours, stripes come in all thicknesses and styles, we can change that style a bit, different patterns, different dominance of red or white and so on.

 

It gets crazy when Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea try to justify their new plain red or blue top. Slight change in shade perhaps, but they rarely look that different.

 

It's already crazy that clubs change all of their shirts every single season for no appreciable reason other than money - especially given that it's only around ten years since the government advised that clubs shouldn't change more than every 2 years. I was relatively happy when Saints had a new home kit every 2 seasons and new away and third kits in the alternate years, that seemed reasonable-ish. They get their money, I get a shirt that isn't out of date within weeks and the opportunity to pick up another new kit(s) if I feel like it the following year.

 

How on earth they can justify changing England kits every year now when they only play around 10 matches God only knows. The "new" away shirt which they debuted in Macedonia when Rooney got sent off is now on sale for £15 and he hasn't even finished his suspension yet !

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It's already crazy that clubs change all of their shirts every single season for no appreciable reason other than money - especially given that it's only around ten years since the government advised that clubs shouldn't change more than every 2 years. I was relatively happy when Saints had a new home kit every 2 seasons and new away and third kits in the alternate years, that seemed reasonable-ish. They get their money, I get a shirt that isn't out of date within weeks and the opportunity to pick up another new kit(s) if I feel like it the following year.

 

How on earth they can justify changing England kits every year now when they only play around 10 matches God only knows. The "new" away shirt which they debuted in Macedonia when Rooney got sent off is now on sale for £15 and he hasn't even finished his suspension yet !

 

I find you quite odd and disturbing, can I call you 'Weird kit pervert' from now on?

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It's already crazy that clubs change all of their shirts every single season for no appreciable reason other than money - especially given that it's only around ten years since the government advised that clubs shouldn't change more than every 2 years. I was relatively happy when Saints had a new home kit every 2 seasons and new away and third kits in the alternate years, that seemed reasonable-ish. They get their money, I get a shirt that isn't out of date within weeks and the opportunity to pick up another new kit(s) if I feel like it the following year.

 

How on earth they can justify changing England kits every year now when they only play around 10 matches God only knows. The "new" away shirt which they debuted in Macedonia when Rooney got sent off is now on sale for £15 and he hasn't even finished his suspension yet !

 

They can justify it because people (dinlos, largely) buy them.

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Far fewer red/white stripes than there are red shirts, or blue shirts for that matter though. Slightly more prevalent than amber/yellow or green. Basically if you're looking at "unique", that's only Wycombe and Plymouth, maybe Crystal Palace.

Doncaster, red and white horizontal stripes, Yeovil green and white horizontal stripes, QPR blue and white hoops, Reading blue and white horizontal stripes. Blackburn blue and white halves, Norwich yellow and green, Watford yellow and red, Bradford, amber and claret, Bristol Rovers quarters, Burton yellow and black stripes, Shrewsbury yellow and blue stripes.

 

Theres lots of unique kits about. Saints just have to do something different.

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I just hope we keep stripes tbh.

 

Of topic slightly...anyone know of a place to get retro Saints kit?

 

Which one ?

 

Club shop has some (KK era, ridiculous red one with white 'Sue Ellen shoulders', 1976.

 

or try Toffs.

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Doncaster, red and white horizontal stripes, Yeovil green and white horizontal stripes, QPR blue and white hoops, Reading blue and white horizontal stripes. Blackburn blue and white halves, Norwich yellow and green, Watford yellow and red, Bradford, amber and claret, Bristol Rovers quarters, Burton yellow and black stripes, Shrewsbury yellow and blue stripes.

 

Theres lots of unique kits about. Saints just have to do something different.

 

It wasn't an Doncaster is unique, though red and white aren't exactly rare colours. Blackburn and Bristol Rovers, yep, sure, as far as different combinations of the most popular colour and white go. Bradford yes, when they wear stripes, but not when they wear predominantly claret, or predominantly amber. Shrewsbury, ok, when they stick to stripes and don't play in plain blue with yellow.

 

Yeovil is unique if you ignore that hundreds of other sides copy Celtic, QPR and Reading's kits are the same basic style as each other. Watford have the same colour shirts as Norwich and Burton.

 

More to the point, the vast majority of them are the colours they're historically associated with. Rebranding for the sake of it is just... strange.

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Yep. Crazy isn't it. But a lot of football fans just have this odd need to own the latest kit, often even if they don't like it, or it's practically the same as the year before. If you afford a season ticket I guess an extra £45 a year doesn't mean much, so the club see an opportunity for more money. I rarely buy them unless I really like the shirt or see it in a sale. I love buying football shirts too, but usually obscure foreign ones.

 

I usually get one shirt for an anniversary gift nowadays, I used to buy everything when it was only about £70 a year but I've become much more discriminating about it since it became nearer £150, basically I have all the past season's Saints kit, but I had one as a gift, one shirt I bought, got the socks at 1/3 of the price from Sportsdirect.com and I only hoovered up the other shorts and socks the other day when they knocked 50% off everything.

 

So instead of me spending £70 on one full set of kit and having the goodwill to buy everything they ever release, I've spent £7 more in total, split over 2 shirts and don't feel the need to buy any of it next time. Add to that my stubborn refusal to pay to park at the Megastore...

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Umm.... Hibernating for 2 years? Were you at the jpt final?

 

Lol we wore that shirt for 2 years however that shirt was from the academy. The 1st team had that god awful flybe screen print stuck on the front which ruined it.

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It wasn't an Doncaster is unique, though red and white aren't exactly rare colours. Blackburn and Bristol Rovers, yep, sure, as far as different combinations of the most popular colour and white go. Bradford yes, when they wear stripes, but not when they wear predominantly claret, or predominantly amber. Shrewsbury, ok, when they stick to stripes and don't play in plain blue with yellow.

 

Yeovil is unique if you ignore that hundreds of other sides copy Celtic, QPR and Reading's kits are the same basic style as each other. Watford have the same colour shirts as Norwich and Burton.

 

More to the point, the vast majority of them are the colours they're historically associated with. Rebranding for the sake of it is just... strange.

 

Are you seriously telling me you couldnt tell Norwich from Watford if you saw them on TV for 5 seconds.

Yeovil are unique in England, QPR play in hoops, Reading do not as they always have a plain back. Once you know that you will never confuse the 2. Im talking whole kits, not just shirts and Bradford are distinctive whatever style of kit they have, no one plays in those colours.

 

I cant tell any red and white stripe team from each other because they all look identical. You will never confuse Madrid with anyone because they have blue shorts but saints should stick with a new style of stripes or revisit the air florida type shirt, youd never confuse that with any other team.

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Umm.... Hibernating for 2 years? Were you at the jpt final?

 

Lol we wore that shirt for 2 years however that shirt was from the academy. The 1st team had that god awful flybe screen print stuck on the front which ruined it.

 

You occasionally see "Centerprise" academy shirts floating around on there too. Weirdly I was once offered a full set of the black academy Centerprise shirts for nothing in the Standing Order sometime around 2002 - literally giving them away. Dunno who the woman was, but she had a kitbag full and I wished I hadn't been 120 miles from home and headed to St Mary's for the at the time. Bit of a sod to carry around for 4 hours and up the hill after the train home...!

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Are you seriously telling me you couldnt tell Norwich from Watford if you saw them on TV for 5 seconds.

Yeovil are unique in England, QPR play in hoops, Reading do not as they always have a plain back. Once you know that you will never confuse the 2. Im talking whole kits, not just shirts and Bradford are distinctive whatever style of kit they have, no one plays in those colours.

 

I cant tell any red and white stripe team from each other because they all look identical. You will never confuse Madrid with anyone because they have blue shorts but saints should stick with a new style of stripes or revisit the air florida type shirt, youd never confuse that with any other team.

 

Actually the plain white back for Reading is a recent development. Sorry, you're not quite as unique as you'd like to think.

 

I'm not bothered if we have the 'same' r&w traditional stripes as another club providing it is our traditional kit. But yes, would love it, really love it, for a return to the air florida kit.

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Are you seriously telling me you couldnt tell Norwich from Watford if you saw them on TV for 5 seconds.

Yeovil are unique in England, QPR play in hoops, Reading do not as they always have a plain back. Once you know that you will never confuse the 2. Im talking whole kits, not just shirts and Bradford are distinctive whatever style of kit they have, no one plays in those colours.

 

I cant tell any red and white stripe team from each other because they all look identical. You will never confuse Madrid with anyone because they have blue shorts but saints should stick with a new style of stripes or revisit the air florida type shirt, youd never confuse that with any other team.

 

No, but then I can tell pretty much any team from looking at the kit for a couple of seconds anyway, as you might expect.

Reading's kit only stopped having hoops regularly about 10 years ago, and much as you'd like to lay claim to "hoops", they've had full "hoops" within the last few seasons, as well as regularly until the early 2000s :

 

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Actually the plain white back for Reading is a recent development. Sorry, you're not quite as unique as you'd like to think.

 

I'm not bothered if we have the 'same' r&w traditional stripes as another club providing it is our traditional kit. But yes, would love it, really love it, for a return to the air florida kit.

 

They've also had a plain blue back, but it's probably more due to Puma creating international kits for loads of African nations and catering for the "plain panel" rules than it is anything to do with Reading or moving away from hoops.

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I love those kit threads going on every year :)

20 something pages of rage, speculation, nail biting and being upset about something you don't know or can't change anyway...

:)

Save your energy and start the rant when we know how the kit will look like !

;)

I'd love to get my hands on a Prem kit, but if I don't like it, I won't buy it. Simples...

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