View From The Top Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 No offer as far as oppo knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Would certainly fit the style of the English and reasonably young players we're looking at, I'd absolutely love us to sign him at any cost but I don't see it happening. Hope he doesn't go to West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 £12m for Fletcher, £10m for jarvis, £15m for Joe Allen. We need to steer well clear of this madness. Unless we can get £10m for Puncheon, who does at least have PL experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 How long will this one drag on until it fizzles out I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 £12m for Fletcher, £10m for jarvis, £15m for Joe Allen. We need to steer well clear of this madness. Unless we can get £10m for Puncheon, who does at least have PL experience. If you steer clear of the 'madness' you'll finish bottom. Jarvis at £6 million plus another couple is a good price for a good player in the current market. It's the 21st century and the market is dictating these prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 If you steer clear of the 'madness' you'll finish bottom. Jarvis at £6 million plus another couple is a good price for a good player in the current market. It's the 21st century and the market is dictating these prices. Jarvis won't go for anything less than £10M, IMO. West Ham had a £6M bid plus £3M in add ons turned down. And Wolves turned down £12M for Fletcher so they clearly don't need to sell. Can't see us splashing the cash for Jarvis (I'd have preferred him to JRod though, tbf). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 So there are players who may be for sale if the price is right, but the question is, "Is Southampton FC in the market?" It's now three weeks since any transfer activity. It doesn't matter who is available if we are not buying. We know from his statements that Adkins was expecting to make at least two more signings before the season began but with the first match now 9 days away, its already doubtful that any new player will have time to settle in sufficiently to have any impact in the Man City game. If Jarvis is available and we miss out on him, you would have to question why the club policy of doing more than just surving in The Prem seems to be fading. The failure to make the essential signing at CB is even more worrying and I'm beginning to feel sorry for Nigel because if nothing hapens soon, it will start to look as if he's being let down, as well as the fans. Sign Jarvis over the weekend and I'll feel a bit different, although it really needs the CB signing to restore full confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 'I'm worth a lot more than that' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 So there are players who may be for sale if the price is right, but the question is, "Is Southampton FC in the market?" It's now three weeks since any transfer activity. It doesn't matter who is available if we are not buying. We know from his statements that Adkins was expecting to make at least two more signings before the season began but with the first match now 9 days away, its already doubtful that any new player will have time to settle in sufficiently to have any impact in the Man City game. If Jarvis is available and we miss out on him, you would have to question why the club policy of doing more than just surving in The Prem seems to be fading. The failure to make the essential signing at CB is even more worrying and I'm beginning to feel sorry for Nigel because if nothing hapens soon, it will start to look as if he's being let down, as well as the fans. Sign Jarvis over the weekend and I'll feel a bit different, although it really needs the CB signing to restore full confidence. Couldn't have said it better myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 So there are players who may be for sale if the price is right, but the question is, "Is Southampton FC in the market?" It's now three weeks since any transfer activity. It doesn't matter who is available if we are not buying. We know from his statements that Adkins was expecting to make at least two more signings before the season began but with the first match now 9 days away, its already doubtful that any new player will have time to settle in sufficiently to have any impact in the Man City game. If Jarvis is available and we miss out on him, you would have to question why the club policy of doing more than just surving in The Prem seems to be fading. The failure to make the essential signing at CB is even more worrying and I'm beginning to feel sorry for Nigel because if nothing hapens soon, it will start to look as if he's being let down, as well as the fans. Sign Jarvis over the weekend and I'll feel a bit different, although it really needs the CB signing to restore full confidence. Here is a wacky scenrio for you to consider: Maybe we want to bring players in as Adkins has suggested, but don't actually want Jarvis. Just because he is a good player and is available, it doesn't mean we want him. What if Adkins wants a different kind of wide midfielder? Or prefers another target? if we don't go for Jarvis you can't link this in any way to our hopes for the season or our transfer policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Here is a wacky scenrio for you to consider: Maybe we want to bring players in as Adkins has suggested, but don't actually want Jarvis. Just because he is a good player and is available, it doesn't mean we want him. What if Adkins wants a different kind of wide midfielder? Or prefers another target? if we don't go for Jarvis you can't link this in any way to our hopes for the season or our transfer policy. I think you understood his point. To simplify, substitute 'Jarvis' for any other available, decent, Prem quality, better than we've got, right winger in their mid twenties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Alert! We are inadequate in the defence department for this league. We just are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 I think you understood his point. To simplify, substitute 'Jarvis' for any other available, decent, Prem quality, better than we've got, right winger in their mid twenties. And to this I understand the thinking but lets just wait and judge at the end of the window when we know the full extent of our dealings. That is the fair time to judge and on that point is the reason why the window should close on the Friday before the first game of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Alert! We are inadequate in the defence department for this league. We just are. Agree. We need someone soon to bed in. Imagine if, and I can't believe I am going to say this.... Jos got injured on Saturday and we were left with JF and DS. Doesn't bare thinking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 If you steer clear of the 'madness' you'll finish bottom. Jarvis at £6 million plus another couple is a good price for a good player in the current market. It's the 21st century and the market is dictating these prices. Thank you Peter Storrie.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Here is a wacky scenrio for you to consider: Maybe we want to bring players in as Adkins has suggested, but don't actually want Jarvis. Just because he is a good player and is available, it doesn't mean we want him. What if Adkins wants a different kind of wide midfielder? Or prefers another target? if we don't go for Jarvis you can't link this in any way to our hopes for the season or our transfer policy. Here's another wacky scenario. Maybe we already have irons in the fire on several players including a centre back but for reasons which are totally incomprehesible, the club officials are more concerned about carrying out these negotiations in private and professionally instead of focussing on keeping fans happy on the local internet forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Wolves Manager today: "Jarvis is playing tomorrow....Bids are coming in for Jarvis & so far they have been turned down. Players have a valuation and that goes for everyone in the world. So far the valuation for Jarvis is bigger than the bids." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 If you steer clear of the 'madness' you'll finish bottom. Jarvis at £6 million plus another couple is a good price for a good player in the current market. It's the 21st century and the market is dictating these prices. You appear to be suggesting that a side put together with lower priced imports of similar quality to English players can't survive in the Prem. Wigan, for one, would beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 How long will this one drag on until it fizzles out I wonder? If Buttner is anything to go by another 16 pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 You appear to be suggesting that a side put together with lower priced imports of similar quality to English players can't survive in the Prem. Wigan, for one, would beg to differ. Exactly. Wigan's transfer policy and scouting is top notch. The gems they pick up are amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Here's another wacky scenario. Maybe we already have irons in the fire on several players including a centre back but for reasons which are totally incomprehesible, the club officials are more concerned about carrying out these negotiations in private and professionally instead of focussing on keeping fans happy on the local internet forum. Utterly bonkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Thank you Peter Storrie.... You won't thank me when, despite the best efforts of the club to pull the wool, we don't invest heavily enough and go down. There is a HUGE difference between what I am advocating and what happened at Portsmouth. Do you think if we signed Jarvis that in a year or two's time the dinner lady will be made redundant? If so you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Exactly. Wigan's transfer policy and scouting is top notch. The gems they pick up are amazing. They also have some duds like the expensive mistake Mauro Boselli, Albert Crusat, Franco Di Santo....plus Connor Sammon - the worst striker ever to play in the Prem. They did do well with the Hondurans though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11699/7979708/Wolves-reject-Jarvis-bid 9 million is mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Can't see us spending that much on him. Can get a similar if not better player from the continent for that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 The quote from Adkins in the Echo saying signings before the window closes is halfway encouraging. It shows that he wants to give fans some assurance after 3 weeks of stalled activity but it also postpones the date by which more signings were to be expected. He must have NC's backing to say that so maybe he's had a serious talk with the chairman. In the meantime, WHU seem to be more pro-active and might even be getting in first with bids for players who could be Saints' targets. As for the amount needed to be spent, if we seriously want to compete in a league where some clubs are spending £30m+ on one player its no use being frightened off at £10m. If we are, we may as well accept that we are to be lower league Prem at best and I didn't think that was the intention, so not a team of £10m+ players but maybe one or two might be unavoidable investment if we are to compete. Even if the Academy does hit the 50% first team target that still leaves 50% of the team to be bought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Apparently he won't be joining us as he "doesn't want to be relegated again". Much mirth from my Wolves oppo at that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 (edited) As for the amount needed to be spent, if we seriously want to compete in a league where some clubs are spending £30m+ on one player its no use being frightened off at £10m. If we are, we may as well accept that we are to be lower league Prem at best and I didn't think that was the intention, so not a team of £10m+ players but maybe one or two might be unavoidable investment if we are to compete. Even if the Academy does hit the 50% first team target that still leaves 50% of the team to be bought in. I think you must have missed MLG's various reassurances in this regard. Apparently its not the amount you spend, its how cleverly you spend it. So, you see, we don't HAVE to spend £10M each on players to get within reach of the Champions League. We can use half of our graduating academy, and then do what other clubs currently don't do, which is to spend less money but spend it cleverly on players. That way we can save money and be successful. Edited 10 August, 2012 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Apparently he won't be joining us as he "doesn't want to be relegated again". Much mirth from my Wolves oppo at that! A very worrying sign if that's how we're viewed by exactly the type of player we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Apparently he won't be joining us as he "doesn't want to be relegated again". Much mirth from my Wolves oppo at that! Well I guess he feels pretty certain that Wolves are safe from the drop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Apparently he won't be joining us as he "doesn't want to be relegated again". Much mirth from my Wolves oppo at that! Presumably he won't be going to West Ham either then. If he's too choosy he might end up in the Championship this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 A very worrying sign if that's how we're viewed by exactly the type of player we need. Yeah, but as a newly promoted side that's going to be a common view. Norwich/Swansea/QPR staying up last season will not have re-written history or changed common perceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Yeah, but as a newly promoted side that's going to be a common view. Norwich/Swansea/QPR staying up last season will not have re-written history or changed common perceptions. Norwich & Swansea maybe; QPR, not so much, did you see who they signed? Plus I don't recall Norwich or Swansea shouting from the hilltops about their ambitions for Champions League football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Norwich & Swansea maybe; QPR, not so much, did you see who they signed? Plus I don't recall Norwich or Swansea shouting from the hilltops about their ambitions for Champions League football. The reality of gunning for champions league. Or the sheer lunacy of that is now hitting home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Norwich & Swansea maybe; QPR, not so much. Plus I don't recall Norwich or Swansea shouting from the hilltops about their ambitions for Champions League football. I was getting at the fact that all three stayed up and no players/agent is going to be naive enough to pay any attention whatsoever to the chairman/manager of a promoted team posturing over CL ambitions. The ones that sign may talk it up when they sign, but they won't really believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Where you hear we would be gunning for Champs League this season? Would be worth a read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 I think you must have missed MLG's various reassurances in this regard. Apparently its not the amount you spend, its how cleverly you spend it. So, you see, we don't HAVE to spend £10M each on players to get within reach of the Champions League. We can use half of our graduating academy, and then do what other clubs currently don't do, which is to spend less money but spend it cleverly on players. That way we can save money and be successful. To be fair it makes sense. It's worked brilliantly before. Who could forget the spectacular success of Griffit, Folly, Yahia and neilsen? Evidence, if any whwre needed that Spending less money is always a sure fire way to ensure success. If we can follow this model and couple it with our other tried and tested method of playing a team full of academy players well before they are ready and throwing them in when they are well out of their depth, particularly when on a losing run then only a fool could fail to see the genius behind it. We are so lucky to be in a position to spend less money AND be able to throw in our academy players all at the same time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 To be fair it makes sense. It's worked brilliantly before. Who could forget the spectacular success of Griffit, Folly, Yahia and neilsen? Evidence, if any whwre needed that Spending less money is always a sure fire way to ensure success. If we can follow this model and couple it with our other tried and tested method of playing a team full of academy players well before they are ready and throwing them in when they are well out of their depth, particularly when on a losing run then only a fool could fail to see the genius behind it. We are so lucky to be in a position to spend less money AND be able to throw in our academy players all at the same time! You know what gets me, though? Its not the relative simplicity of it (although I'm disappointed I didn't forsee it years ago). It's that I'm staggered the likes of Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea haven't done it before. Roman Abramovic could have saved himself hundreds of millions of pounds if he had chosen to take our approach to European success. The Glazers could have taken over Fulham and achieved all their objectives, with a little more managerial nouse. And the Arabians needen't have paid out a King's ransom to secure one premier league title. The thing that gets me, this is not even being noticed by any of those supposed footballing experts in the media; but thankfully the forum experts here are on the ball and in tune with our owners' commitment to success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 You know what gets me, though? Its not the relative simplicity of it (although I'm disappointed I didn't forsee it years ago). It's that I'm staggered the likes of Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea haven't done it before. Roman Abramovic could have saved himself hundreds of millions of pounds if he had chosen to take our approach to European success. The Glazers could have taken over Fulham and achieved all their objectives, with a little more managerial nouse. And the Arabians needen't have paid out a King's ransom to secure one premier league title. The thing that gets me, this is not even being noticed by any of those supposed footballing experts in the media; but thankfully the forum experts here are on the ball and in tune with our owners' commitment to success. It is a little strange that no one else in the whole of british football has gone down the spending less money route. I can only assume that the idea of buying the best players possible and getting the best manager available to you is for owners that lack vision, drive and ambition. I've actually spent the evening wondering how much more Alex Ferguson could have achieved with Man United if he'd chosen this initiative approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Where you hear we would be gunning for Champs League this season? Would be worth a read! It was in an Adkins interview, which IIRC came not long after similar "we're just trying to stay up" interviews with Noble of West Ham and McAnuff of Reading. Can't remember which programme it was on though... might have just been trying to talk us up for some targets, but it was a bit incongruous in that context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 It is a little strange that no one else in the whole of british football has gone down the spending less money route. I can only assume that the idea of buying the best players possible and getting the best manager available to you is for owners that lack vision, drive and ambition. I've actually spent the evening wondering how much more Alex Ferguson could have achieved with Man United if he'd chosen this initiative approach. So Turkish, are you saying we'll win nothing with kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Handed in transfer request - SSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Handed in transfer request - SSN According to The Mirror, it is in order to force through the move to West Ham. Maybe he thinks WHU are showing more determination to build a squad that will stay in The Prem. A shame if true, because he would improve a position for Saints that needs improving. Here's another wacky scenario. Maybe we already have irons in the fire on several players including a centre back but for reasons which are totally incomprehesible, the club officials are more concerned about carrying out these negotiations in private and professionally instead of focussing on keeping fans happy on the local internet forum. What is wacky is the untrue suggestion that fans would expect transfer negotiations to be conducted in any other way. Whether negotiations are going on privately we can't know, but what we do know is that none have been successfully concluded now for over 3 weeks and that the season starts in 8 days time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 He's still only 24. He is 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 According to The Mirror, it is in order to force through the move to West Ham. Maybe he thinks WHU are showing more determination to build a squad that will stay in The Prem. A shame if true, because he would improve a position for Saints that needs improving. You don't half chat sh.it. It's solely about ££ with Jarvis. He had wanted to go to Fulham as it's easier for him but WHU offered uber ££. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Mate of mine works at Wolves and seems pretty sure that the gossip is in favour of a move to Fulham at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 I have no idea what our wage ceiling is, maybe our top earner is on 25k pw, but if we want proven prem quality players then we're gonna have to increase it. I know we've signed some players with great potential but all those have come from lower than prem level and have most likely increased their wages by coming here. We can't expect a player like Jarvis, who was probably on 50k pw to sign for 25-30k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 I doubt Jarvis is on 50k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 I doubt Jarvis is on 50k a week. When wolves were in the prem I mean. Probably taken a wage drop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 August, 2012 Share Posted 16 August, 2012 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11685/7995644/Third-Jarvis-bid-knocked-back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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