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skintsaint

skintsaint

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I'm not 100% there is a set price, more an understanding that the club wouldn't hinder a move if relegated. I'll text my oppo in a min'.

 

10m selling price would hinder the move big-time...no one will pay that for him.

 

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Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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Wrong, Wolves don't need to sell as very player has huge relegation clauses in their contracts and are taking huge pay cuts from this month.

 

Wolves don't want to sell Jarvis but the player wants to leave and has a clause in his contract allowing it.

fair enough....there is now way on earth he is worth anything like £10m though

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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fair enough....there is now way on earth he is worth anything like £10m though

 

He's young and he's english, unfortunate that's the rate that someone will have to pay if they want him. Madness when you think that Ronaldo cost man utd £14m

the saint in winchester

the saint in winchester

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West Ham apparently offered £4M, and Jez Moxey laughed them out of the room. Just been crossing (written) swords with a Wolf on skysports who seems to think £10M is a fair price to ask as he's still young, has 1 international cap and is in good form. I think that is excessive. Maybe £5-6M but then his wage needs to be reasonable as well, circa £25k.

skintsaint

skintsaint

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West Ham apparently offered £4M, and Jez Moxey laughed them out of the room. Just been crossing (written) swords with a Wolf on skysports who seems to think £10M is a fair price to ask as he's still young, has 1 international cap and is in good form. I think that is excessive. Maybe £5-6M but then his wage needs to be reasonable as well, circa £25k.

 

 

He's not young...think we established that. Hes middle aged for a footballer ;)

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Saint Garrett

Saint Garrett

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So this seems to have all gone rather quiet on all fronts regarding Jarvis. Will he be happy to stay and play in the NPC or will he go somewhere in the Prem? Still think he'd be a cracking player to have on the right of midfield and also give us backup to Lallana given his injury record.

The Kraken

The Kraken

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So this seems to have all gone rather quiet on all fronts regarding Jarvis. Will he be happy to stay and play in the NPC or will he go somewhere in the Prem? Still think he'd be a cracking player to have on the right of midfield and also give us backup to Lallana given his injury record.

 

Being as he's (fairly) recently made his debut for England I can't see any way in which he'll stay in the Championship.

beavis17

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If rumours are to be believed Buttner is obviously being seen as the more value for money option by the club. Especially if Wolves are really asking for £10m...

syd_barrett_saint

syd_barrett_saint

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If rumours are to be believed Buttner is obviously being seen as the more value for money option by the club. Especially if Wolves are really asking for £10m...

 

But isn't Buttner currently a left back that can perhaps also play left midfield? Whereas Jarvis is a winger. I don't think it's a case of one or the other.

Crazy Diamond

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Being as he's (fairly) recently made his debut for England I can't see any way in which he'll stay in the Championship.

 

One cap though, and not so much as a look-in since. I don't think that guarantees him Premier League football next year.

 

This price of £10m being quoted as well - if someone is stupid enough to offer it, they'll get him. I'd be surprised if Wolves turned down something around £6m. I'm not even that convinced by him!

The Kraken

The Kraken

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One cap though, and not so much as a look-in since. I don't think that guarantees him Premier League football next year.

 

This price of £10m being quoted as well - if someone is stupid enough to offer it, they'll get him. I'd be surprised if Wolves turned down something around £6m. I'm not even that convinced by him!

Getting 1 cap with a sh*thouse team like Wolves is decent. It of course guarantees nothing; just plants a seed in his mind of what he can achieve in the PL. His England career is pretty much over if he stays in the NPC.

 

£10M is a heavy price to pay, I'll agree that, but that's WOlves initial valuation so there's probably some movement possible with the price.

david in sweden

david in sweden

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hmmm... imo "young" is under 24 for a footballer. 26 is coming towards his peak for a winger. :p

 

 

My analysis, too. MLG. I have a "sort of criteria " that I've followed in the last 50 years. (with exceptions for football geniuses who turn up once every generation).

 

Any player who debuts as a teenager and can play 50+ games in his first two seasons **is a good prospect (for any position).

 

Goalies...pref. 30+

Full backs ...most of them are rarely good at both defending AND doing overlapping runs consistantly well, so ..usually mid 20's-ish with a bit of pace.

Central defenders... big and ugly 25-30+... if they can still tackle and are willing to die for the cause.

Midfielders ..around 20....if you can get one and they meet the above criteria**.

.............Alternatively an old hand who can control the middle regardless of age; ala Ball, Case, Marsden.

 

Wingers (as that was the player in question). They are first chosen for their speed / guile, but a fast runner at 20 isn't going to hold his pace for more than 5-6 years then he drifts into a midfield role. Of course he can still be a valuable player, but you're left with the problem of finding ANOTHER winger. So get one young. 20/21.

 

Strikers.....someone who can score goals consistantly regardless of age. Many strikers are notoriously inconsistant, and have lots of bad spells as well as good.

 

There have been exceptions to all these categories, but in the main I think it's about right.

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Gordon Mockles

Gordon Mockles

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hmmm...

 

imo "young" is under 24 for a footballer. 26 is coming towards his peak for a winger. :p

 

When you actually go out, are you as pedantic in conversation or just online? You strike me as someone that would pick an argument with a samaritan! Is it an inherent inability to agree or just to maintain a conversation?!

Colinjb

Colinjb

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For me a player that hasn't made it by the age of 24, generally speaking won't. Of course there are exceptions but not that many.

 

For me, a star player in any side that has played premiership football and winning an international cap does tick the box of 'made it.' At 26 he is hardly old, if anything he should be entering the peak of his career.

Clifford Nelson

Clifford Nelson

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When exactly do you have to have made it in the first team before you try your luck elsewhere. 24 looks very generous to me. 20 or 21 is more like it. We have persevered with many a player in the past, but I can't remember anybody who suddely broke through from the reserves at 24. For a footballer, that is really middleage.

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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Can't see it but would be more than happy with this signing. One CB and I feel we'd be nearly there.

 

Clearly we are going to sign a lb as well. I think we may need two cbs or at least a player who can play in two positions

Ivan Katalinic's 'tache

Ivan Katalinic's 'tache

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http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=72486&page=4

 

According to this Wolves forum they turned down £8m from West Ham but now the Star are saying they've accepted £6m from us? :? Need a new accountant, methinks!

 

Would be an excellent signing, if we could get him, but can't see Wolves accepting £6m when they're demanding more than £12m for Fletcher. Still, on the plus side, with this and the Danny Rose stories, we at least have some viable rumours going round again!

bowers-sfc

bowers-sfc

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A friend that I work with, his wife and matts wife are good friends, and he told me.. We haven't been in for him, and he wants to join an established premiership club.

The Kraken

The Kraken

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Not sure personally that he is worth any more than 6m but for british players the market is crazy, and he did get 8 league goals last season from out wide.

As you say, he got 8 goals in the Premier League from wide. He has played for England. And he's still only 24, so plenty of years ahead of him.

 

Unfortunately we live in a world where Shaun Wright-Phillips was sold for more than £20M, where Stuart Downing was sold for £20M, Adam Johnson is currently being offered around at a "cut-price" £10M (presumably cut price to allow for his wages), and where prospects like AOC fetch £15M (without kicking a ball in the top 2 divisions). £6M for a player like Jarvis, unless Wolves were absolutely f*cked financially (which they aren't), is plain unrealistic.

itchen_dan

itchen_dan

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@TimNash1: #Wolves reject £9m deal from West Ham for Jarvis.That's £6m + £3m in un-guaranteed add-ons. Club reject £12m-plus from S'land for Fletcher.

 

And we're close to signing for £6m?...

The Kraken

The Kraken

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Obviously not then. For that kind of money there are better players around I think.

Such as who?

 

For a proven, young attacking player in the PL (who scored 8 goals last season) I'd be surprised if you got change from £10M.

Stepgar

Stepgar

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Wolves must really fancy their chances of getting promoted. That's a lot of money n the table that could really be used to rebuild a quality side. Is it just me or is it anyone who has played in the prem is instantly worth 10mill + it's just gone crazy al over again.

merrimd

merrimd

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@TimNash1: #Wolves reject £9m deal from West Ham for Jarvis.That's £6m + £3m in un-guaranteed add-ons. Club reject £12m-plus from S'land for Fletcher.

 

And we're close to signing for £6m?...

 

Of course, we could have offered £6m + £3m in GUARANTEED add-ons. Underlying figure reported = £6m.

 

Then again, it could all be ******.

itchen_dan

itchen_dan

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Of course, we could have offered £6m + £3m in GUARANTEED add-ons. Underlying figure reported = £6m.

 

Then again, it could all be ******.

 

Possible. So rather than £6m + £3m in addons (intl. appearances, goals, appearances)

 

We could've offered....

 

£6m + £3m in addons (£2m over 12/24months, £1m after X amount of appearances)

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